No tax refunds for Cali,lol

[Johnnybags]

delayed indefinitely is what they are trying to pull instead the plug on welfare service for illegals. What starts in Cali gets to NY,NJ and Mass with lightspeed, watch out.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090116/D95OF36O0.html

[HOLLYWOOD]

delayed indefinitely is what they are trying to pull instead the plug on welfare service for illegals. What starts in Cali gets to NY,NJ and Mass with lightspeed, watch out.

All the Socialist States are HIGH TAXES and MASSIVE GOVERNMENT!

FAIL!

I hear, New Jersey's government pension plan is like $45 BILLION in the RED!

There's your BIG government, feeding their own, at the expense of the taxpayers.

I hope they take EVERYTHING form Californians, New Jersey, New York, & Mass taxpayers... it's the only way they will finally wakeup and realized how bad they are being F#%ked on a Imperial Socialist system that threw them overboard 25 years ago!

[Scofield]

I hope they take EVERYTHING form Californians, New Jersey, New York, & Mass taxpayers... it's the only way they will finally wakeup and realized how bad they are being F#%ked on a Imperial Socialist system that threw them overboard 25 years ago!

Thanks. :)

[angelatc]

I hope they take EVERYTHING form Californians, New Jersey, New York, & Mass taxpayers... it's the only way they will finally wakeup and realized how bad they are being F#%ked on a Imperial Socialist system that threw them overboard 25 years ago!

BUt they won't take it from them. They'll take it from us and give it to them.

[Johnnybags]

Heck, just send the IOU to the mortgage company or credit card company promising to pay when your state pays you back. California and the other welfare states are clusterf*ckus extremis states going belly up.

[HOLLYWOOD]

SOUNDS like a JUICY CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT!

Okay, also sounds like the right time to crackout the Pitch Forks and Torches!

California and IOUs... yet the state government votes themselves pay raises and are immune from pay cuts and layoffs! There's your HYPOCRISY... this is a prefect example of CHROMED COMMUNISM!

[Cowlesy]

Sucks to be a taxpayer in California.

[phill4paul]

Since news of this possibility was first posted I have prayed that this would come true.

I hope many states are to follow. Only this will begin to awaken a distrust of government and a questioning as to what the tax goes to.

Good news indeed.:)

[Dequeant]

So basically, their government stole their money.

If a government prioritizes giving money to those who have not worked for it over returning the money it took from those who have worked for it.........no budget that government can create is capable of saving it from itself.

[phill4paul]

So basically, their government stole their money.

If a government prioritizes giving money to those who have not worked for it over returning the money it took from those who have worked for it.........no budget that government can create is capable of saving it from itself.

Exactly, RP Meetups in Cali need to hammer this one home. There will be no quicker way to enlighten them than when the are denied, and I am sure counting on, a refund of the monies they have given in good faith (at gun point :D).

[danberkeley]

At least we get free education. :rolleyes:

[Johnnybags]

[QUOTE=Dequeant;1913630]So basically, their government stole their money.

The money is being liberated. Just like Iraq. Better to not send it back when the "state" obviously knows how to spend it better. Plus, you might not spend it but save it, which is illegal in the Kingdom of California.

[aravoth]

Simple solution for the taxpayer is obvious, stop paying taxes. That would effectivly fire the government, which should be done anyway, considering the fact that government fails miserably at everything is attempts to accomplish. Would the IRS Audit an entire state's population? Shit the Irs Would run out of money just trying to do that.

[Lord Xar]

Simple solution for the taxpayer is obvious, stop paying taxes. That would effectivly fire the government, which should be done anyway, considering the fact that government fails miserably at everything is attempts to accomplish. Would the IRS Audit an entire state's population? Shit the Irs Would run out of money just trying to do that.

would be a great idea if you could get everyone on board, but that wouldn't happen. They'd create a mass hysteria via the media saying that if 'we don't pay our taxes'.. american children will die (all the while funneling monies to the illegals).

[roho76]

I haven't paid my taxes (State or Federal) since 2006. If they come for me I don't know what I'll tell them but it won't be pretty.

[Met Income]

I haven't paid my taxes (State or Federal) since 2006. If they come for me I don't know what I'll tell them but it won't be pretty.

You aint gonna win that fight -- but good luck.

[Met Income]

All the Socialist States are HIGH TAXES and MASSIVE GOVERNMENT!

FAIL!

I hear, New Jersey's government pension plan is like $45 BILLION in the RED!

There's your BIG government, feeding their own, at the expense of the taxpayers.

I hope they take EVERYTHING form Californians, New Jersey, New York, & Mass taxpayers... it's the only way they will finally wakeup and realized how bad they are being F#%ked on a Imperial Socialist system that threw them overboard 25 years ago!

Screw you -- that's my money you're giving away.

[micahnelson]

Paying your taxes is like getting mugged. The refund is what the mugger drops as they run away. When money is tight, they make sure not to drop any.

People in California should stop paying their taxes at this point. I usually don't say things that would be considered illegal, but California has broken its commitment to the taxpayers- and the people can't be expected to simply accept it.

[aravoth]

Screw you -- that's my money you're giving away.

He's not giving anything of yours away, you did that all on your own. From several of your other posts I've read I'd say this is exactly what you asked for, what exactly are you upset about now?

Edit : Based on your retarded logic, the money doesn't really belong to you anyway, since it's a creation of the State. Take a picture of your I.O.U when you get it.

[nodope0695]

If things keep up like they are in California, the population in ten years is going to be made up of nothing but illegal aliens....the new Mexican Annex.

If you live in California, I have one word for you: FLEE!!!

[Met Income]

He's not giving anything of yours away, you did that all on your own. From several of your other posts I've read I'd say this is exactly what you asked for, what exactly are you upset about now?

No, it's actually my money. Sorry.

[aravoth]

No, it's actually my money. Sorry.

Then why did you give it away? Oh yeah I remember...


. Free markets are an invitation to the next bully to assert control. Thus the paradoxical need to regulate to promote a more level playing field and encourage diversity.

Whats wrong? You don't like paying for all this wonderful regulation? It's encourageing diversity at the same time, another one of your greatest wishes, make us all diversely homeless, hungry, and broke. Level playing field indeed. You win, now move overseas and start fucking up some other country please.

[rockandrollsouls]

All the Socialist States are HIGH TAXES and MASSIVE GOVERNMENT!

FAIL!

I hear, New Jersey's government pension plan is like $45 BILLION in the RED!

There's your BIG government, feeding their own, at the expense of the taxpayers.

I hope they take EVERYTHING form Californians, New Jersey, New York, & Mass taxpayers... it's the only way they will finally wakeup and realized how bad they are being F#%ked on a Imperial Socialist system that threw them overboard 25 years ago!

My state (NJ) is a mess. They raised the tolls on the parkway by the way. With all the money they steal from people charging $1.00 at each toll you'd think they could curb the deficit :mad:

[asimplegirl]

Just released:

After Feb 1st, California will no longer pay out income tax refunds, welfare, or any other payments to its citizens.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-budget17-2009jan17,0,4472460.story



Reporting from Sacramento -- State Controller John Chiang announced today that his office would suspend tax refunds, welfare checks, student grants and other payments owed to Californians starting Feb. 1, as a result of the state's cash crisis.

Chiang said he had no choice but to stop making some $3.7 billion in payments in the absence of action by the governor and lawmakers to close the state's nearly $42-billion budget deficit. More than half of those payments are tax refunds.

The controller said the suspended payments could be rolled into IOUs if California still lacked sufficient cash to pay its bills come March or April.

"I take this action with great reluctance," Chiang said at a news conference in his office. But he said that without action to close the deficit, "there is no way to make it through February unscathed."

The payments to be frozen include nearly $2 billion in tax refunds; $300 million in cash grants for needy families and the aged, blind and disabled; and $13 million in grants for college students.

[phill4paul]

My state (NJ) is a mess. They raised the tolls on the parkway by the way. With all the money they steal from people charging $1.00 at each toll you'd think they could curb the deficit :mad:

I'd bet those toll taxes are put in a "general fund" much like social security. Now that all is tapped out they can't cover anything.

End your states and our Federal Governments "general fund". Each tax apportioned for its purpose only. The only way to true accountability.

[rockandrollsouls]

I'd bet those toll taxes are put in a "general fund" much like social security. Now that all is tapped out they can't cover anything.

End your states and our Federal Governments "general fund". Each tax apportioned for its purpose only. The only way to true accountability.

It's tough. Corruption runs deep here.

[Reason]

:(

[ihsv]

I'm taking bets that there'll be riots in the streets by Feb. 15th. Any takers?

Not good at all.

[asimplegirl]

Dh and I were just saying this. Imagine Rodney King on a scale that affects so many more people.

whew.

My state isn't even having that many money issues.

[HOLLYWOOD]

My state (NJ) is a mess. They raised the tolls on the parkway by the way. With all the money they steal from people charging $1.00 at each toll you'd think they could curb the deficit :mad:


Well, I have relatives in NJ... they had enough of the Misery and Fleecing by the governments at all levels... they are going to buy a house in the Las Vegas Suburbs as residence(No Income Taxes) and a place place in Myrtle Beach, SC.

Everytime I call them and I hear their griping/complaining, I say, I'm sorry, I voted for Ron Paul and I tried informing you all. ;) Then I hear, yeah, you were write all along, (I think we have a few more Libertarians in the country now)

The People truly won't start waking up, no matter how much logic and evidence you share with them. But, take away their hard earned money, Tax & Fee them to death... FINALLY, they will start waking up, and putting the pieces of the puzzle together!

Now Onto... trying to convince my RED NECK, PICK'EM UP truck driving, with the American Flag bumper ticker with... "These colors don't run" UNCLE, whose an Ignorant NEOCON FOX NEWS FREAK

Sheesh, I wish I was getting paid to Convert

[rockandrollsouls]

Well, I have relatives in NJ... they had enough of the Misery and Fleecing by the governments at all levels... they are going to buy a house in the Las Vegas Suburbs as residence(No Income Taxes) and a place place in Myrtle Beach, SC.

Everytime I call them and I hear their griping/complaining, I say, I'm sorry, I voted for Ron Paul and I tried informing you all. ;) Then I hear, yeah, you were write all along, (I think we have a few more Libertarians in the country now)

The People truly won't start waking up, no matter how much logic and evidence you share with them. But, take away their hard earned money, Tax & Fee them to death... FINALLY, they will start waking up, and putting the pieces of the puzzle together!

Now Onto... trying to convince my RED NECK, PICK'EM UP truck driving, with the American Flag bumper ticker with... "These colors don't run" UNCLE, whose an Ignorant NEOCON FOX NEWS FREAK

Sheesh, I wish I was getting paid to Convert

Yep. I agree with ya'....which is why I think after the economy tanks in the coming years we've got an even better shot of getting our men (and women!) into office.

[Rael]

Are they going to pay interest on the refunds, like the people are required to do when paying the taxes late?

[pinkmandy]

I haven't paid my taxes (State or Federal) since 2006. If they come for me I don't know what I'll tell them but it won't be pretty.

The words "honest mistake" come to mind. Hey, if it works for the new Treasury Secretary...

[satchelmcqueen]

in this case they need to stop taking that out of peoples checks. no taxes out of checks of any kind. if they keep taking the money out, it really is theft then.

[angelatc]

Ob-mamma will send a them some money.

They're too big to fail.

It seems to be time for people in California to stop paying taxes. Of course, most of the people getting the handouts aren't paying taxes to begin with.

[RideTheDirt]

I predict riots within a week. When they can't pay for food, water, and medicine people around here will be livid. Time to go out and buy that shotgun.

[Pauls' Revere]

I may not have a paycheck come March because of this BS. The clinic I work in is rural and 30% of the patients are on medi-cal the state program which is broke. Not to mention the M.A.P. program (medical assistance program) which recieves $1 million for the county but pays $24 million for people on welfare etc...the hospitals and clinics which depend on these funds to care and treat the poor and indigent and yes illeagals are in serious trouble and might not be able to pay doctors or nurses. When that happens who will care for these people and what will they do when there is no medicines? no clinics? as it is right now we have NO gastroenterologist who is willing to accept medi-cal thus patients are left without care, period. Imagine, if you had a rectal bleed that could not get treated? This sucks and at the same time is becoming terrifying thinking of scenarios if the SHTF and it might not be far off. but a bailout is just as ridiculous yet Arnold and the legislature refuse and lack the courage to make cuts neccessary to save ordinary citizens. You and me. Watch California closely it will fortell what happens to the rest of the states such as NJ, MN, OR, NV, AZ, FL, NY, MA, and so on...

[Met Income]

He's not giving anything of yours away, you did that all on your own. From several of your other posts I've read I'd say this is exactly what you asked for, what exactly are you upset about now?

Edit : Based on your retarded logic, the money doesn't really belong to you anyway, since it's a creation of the State. Take a picture of your I.O.U when you get it.

Sorry, friend. I did not give my money away. It was taken from me. And it's disgusting that you would give it away for me.

[Met Income]

BUt they won't take it from them. They'll take it from us and give it to them.
To be fair, the high income tax states give way more to the Fed than they get back.

[RSLudlum]

To be fair, the high income tax states give way more to the Fed than they get back.

hence the term "Donor State"


http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg

[emazur]

Schwarzenegger said on Thursday the state "faces insolvency within weeks"
http://uk.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idUKN1553428120090115

"It doesn't make any sense to talk about education, infrastructure, water, health care reform and all these things when we have this huge budget deficit," Schwarzenegger said in his annual state of the state speech.

That statement needs to start making the rounds:
http://digg.com/politics/Governor_s_speech_Fix_the_budget_now#

[Reason]

you do realize this is just for the sake of maneuvering to get more influence in California's attempts to gain federal money right...

[LibertyEagle]

would be a great idea if you could get everyone on board, but that wouldn't happen. They'd create a mass hysteria via the media saying that if 'we don't pay our taxes'.. american children will die (all the while funneling monies to the illegals).

You're in California. What's the sentiment there given everything that is going on?

[Johnnybags]

That's the last straw, wait til the those mailboxes do not contain welfare checks if you want to see some angry people. Cali is finally going to axe illegals and felons from the dole as the pot runneth dry.

[asimplegirl]

I had a thread up about this last night when a statement was released, but some crazy, biased mod took it down, and moved it for some reason, only for another to be put up. It is not just tax refunds, it is welfare, ssi, everything. No more after February the 1st.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-budget17-2009jan17,0,4472460.story

The state will suspend tax refunds, welfare checks, student grants and other payments owed to Californians starting Feb. 1, Controller John Chiang announced Friday.

[4runner]

It is not just tax refunds, it is welfare, ssi, everything. No more after February the 1st.


Yep they are currently in-solvent and we will not get a return its being called an I.O.U. until they have some cash to give. There is no cash, so i said you can have it, but i will not be paying state tax this year 2009. Im still waiting for a reply back ..:D


Peace

[liberteebell]

The words "honest mistake" come to mind. Hey, if it works for the new Treasury Secretary...

Then it works for me...:D

[Pauls' Revere]

That's the last straw, wait til the those mailboxes do not contain welfare checks if you want to see some angry people. Cali is finally going to axe illegals and felons from the dole as the pot runneth dry.

Yeppers, and the clinics will close up too so you'll have to find your methodone elsewhere.

[Pauls' Revere]

It is not just tax refunds, it is welfare, ssi, everything. No more after February the 1st.


Yep they are currently in-solvent and we will not get a return its being called an I.O.U. until they have some cash to give. There is no cash, so i said you can have it, but i will not be paying state tax this year 2009. Im still waiting for a reply back ..:D


Peace

Of course the Obama adminisatration and the Democratic House and Senate will gladly bailout California much the same way they ran to bailout the auto industry in Michigan, Ohio, Illinios with the financial industry bailout. Essentially buying future voters by becoming the saviors to the problem they create. I wont be surprised one bit when the 875 Billion Obama wants for roads and infrastructure instead goes to bailout California with a huge political base and electoral vote. What better way to kill off the GOP in California then with taxpayers maoney?

[tonesforjonesbones]

Didn't they recall Gray Davis for screwing up the economy in Cali? I guess they should have sent all those illegals home. tones