Ban Bottled Water!!!!

[Petar]

Ok, now that I have your attention...

I just wanted to tell everyone about a recent experience that I had.

I recently met someone who invited me to a political event, and I decided to go, even though I don't usually attend those sorts of things.

A lady named Maud Barlow was speaking about why water needs to be a "human right" instead of a "commodity", and she also stressed the need to ban bottled water.

Maud Barlow is an international water expert, who is associated with the United Nations.

I sat and listened to the propaganda, while all the sheeple clapped for their hero, and it made me feel absolutely miserable.

Come question time, I decided that I really had to ask some questions that would hopefully make everyone realize what complete idiots that they were, and I also happened to be the first person to get to ask a question (I was sitting absolute front and center).

Question 1: "If a private company wants to sell me bottled water without fluoride, can you or anyone else on this panel please explain to me why I should instead use fluoridated water from the city, and feed my child poison?"

Moderator: "Uh....I think we're gonna change the format...yeah, we're gonna go around and ask a few questions, and then the panel will take notes and respond all at once..."

Me: "Don't you think that's out of form"?

Eventual answer from Maud: "Fluoride is a matter of debate that we recognize, blah blah blah..."

Question 2: "If water is going to be a "human right", as opposed to a "commodity", what branch of government will be responsible for controlling that? Will it be provincial? (I'm in Canada), Federal? And if this involves the United Nations, will it become a matter of international law? I have been reading about a United Nations law called Codex Alimentarious, and it places severe restrictions on vitamins and minerals globally...so why should we trust the United Nations with our water? Should we just have water be controlled locally, so that we as a community can have more of an influence?

Eventual answer from Maud: "Some countries that have adopted this have amended their constitution....not "international law"...a "covenant"....we are not imposing anything....we support local control....

Me: "What about Codex?"

Maud: "There are problems at UN, I admit...I can't control that...they are very close with big water companies...."

Me: "Is China doing a good job?

(shocked look on entire panel, and gasps from audience)

Maud: "This isn't a two way conversation."

Moderator: "Can we get some questions from someone who didn't ask any yet?

Question 3: "If you acknowledge that fluoride is an issue, then why do you constantly champion "pure wonderful drinking water" from your local government utility? Are you perhaps lobbyists for water bureaucrats? Is that your role?

Maud: Doesn't bother to answer that one.

All in all I had a great time disrupting the entire communist beauty pageant and making all of the bolsheviks hate me. I strongly recommend that you all try it some time.

[LibertyEagle]

:D

Great job.

[Pepsi]

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[LibertyEagle]

This is the kind of thing ALL of us should be doing. I commend you SE. :)

[gilliganscorner]

Well done SE!

[speciallyblend]

Classic

[IPSecure]

Awesome!

[RCA]

Great job Hank Rearden.

[acptulsa]

All in all I had a great time disrupting the entire communist beauty pageant and making all of the bolsheviks hate me. I strongly recommend that you all try it some time.

I love the smell of socialist sweat in the morning.

Smells like victory...

:D:D

[canadian4ronpaul]

WOW! SE you fucking rule man! There have been lots of petitions and debates recently at the university of guelph recently to ban bottled water. its so fucking ridiculous, they place all the blame on coca-cola for having a monopoly of the vending machines on campus (yet also conveniently failing to recognize that the university had to sign the contract too.) In the campus newspaper I was surprised to see a lot of backlash against the proposition and it failed. there are more of us out there than we think!

but ya, i wish i was there to see the smug look on those bastards faces!

[acptulsa]

WOW! SE you fucking rule man! There have been lots of petitions and debates recently at the university of guelph recently to ban bottled water. its so fucking ridiculous, they place all the blame on coca-cola for having a monopoly of the vending machines on campus (yet also conveniently failing to recognize that the university had to sign the contract too.) In the campus newspaper I was surprised to see a lot of backlash against the proposition and it failed. there are more of us out there than we think!

but ya, i wish i was there to see the smug look on those bastards faces!

You know, it would make a lot more sense to demand water fountains in public places than ban the bottle. A lot more. I'm not advocating that. I feel that pressure for a fountain is sufficient. But even as overly intrusive as that requirement would be, it would be less intrusive and more effective to meet their stated goal than banning the sale of water in a container!

[Pennsylvania]

Good work dude.

[Jeremy]

hehe :D

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Im not into the hole fluoride thing, but a lot of those questions were great.

As for this so called "right to water", what makes water so special that rather than buying it as I please, I am forced to have my wages docked via taxes to pay for it?

And who in Canada cant get water?

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Looks like this woman sells a lot of books and makes documentaries. Communism is big business these days.

[hadenough]

I hate it when I go to the city and have to drink that crap. I've never had my well tested, but it sure taste a whole lot better than city water any day. Awesome work man, that makes me want to visit one of these little soirees.

[nullvalu]

Great post & this involves any kind of town meeting - my wife & I went to a school redistricting meeting & you wouldn't believe how willing - even intelligent people - are to go along with whatever the bureaucrats are offering. I don't want to get into it too much, but I hammered a guy (president of the school corporation) for like 10 minutes after the meeting, and found out all their decisions are being made on outdated data from like 2-3 years ago (before the housing bust).. Anyways....decision time came - and they decided not to redistrict (what I was hoping for). I'd like to think I played a role in that.. :) Come on people, you can make a difference! Attend meetings and get confrontational if you have to!

[gilliganscorner]

Great post & this involves any kind of town meeting - my wife & I went to a school redistricting meeting & you wouldn't believe how willing - even intelligent people - are to go along with whatever the bureaucrats are offering. I don't want to get into it too much, but I hammered a guy (president of the school corporation) for like 10 minutes after the meeting, and found out all their decisions are being made on outdated data from like 2-3 years ago (before the housing bust).. Anyways....decision time came - and they decided not to redistrict (what I was hoping for). I'd like to think I played a role in that.. :) Come on people, you can make a difference! Attend meetings and get confrontational if you have to!

Isn't that the point of 12 years of indoctrination called "public education"? Acquiescence to authority and subjugation to the group? We have so much to unlearn.

[nullvalu]

Isn't that the point of 12 years of indoctrination called "public education"? Acquiescence to authority and subjugation to the group? We have so much to unlearn.

Yeah, pretty much. This is partially why I loaded a ton of punk music on my 2nd grader's MP3 player. :) (decent stuff like the Ramones & the Clash). I don't care if my son becomes the most authority-defying ass in school, it'd be better in my opinion that a sniveling butt kisser. I'm not going to promote bad behavior, but I definitely want him to be able to stand up for himself.

[Danke]

http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/photos/TheGuardian/stories/1109%20a4_barlow.jpg

[ClayTrainor]

Awesome job man, where in Canada did this take place, may i ask? :cool:

[jrich4rpaul]

good post. thanks

[Gosmokesome]

Who's awesome? You are.

[Deborah K]

Go gettum tiger!!

[gilliganscorner]

Quick question. What did SE mean by the question:

"Is China doing a good job?"

Thanks

[ShannonOBrien]

Way to go! That's very brave of you.

[ShannonOBrien]

Great post & this involves any kind of town meeting - my wife & I went to a school redistricting meeting & you wouldn't believe how willing - even intelligent people - are to go along with whatever the bureaucrats are offering. I don't want to get into it too much, but I hammered a guy (president of the school corporation) for like 10 minutes after the meeting, and found out all their decisions are being made on outdated data from like 2-3 years ago (before the housing bust).. Anyways....decision time came - and they decided not to redistrict (what I was hoping for). I'd like to think I played a role in that.. :) Come on people, you can make a difference! Attend meetings and get confrontational if you have to!

Why did you not want them to redistrict?

[heavenlyboy34]

~APPLAUSE!!! @ the OP~ I love it when I get a chance to do that kind of thing. Congrats! :)

[nullvalu]

Why did you not want them to redistrict?

Because, there was basically no reason to. The town is not growing at the rates they were claiming it was, due to the housing collapse. Plus they want to redo the grade structures (right now, one school is K-2, and the other is grade 3-6), they wanted to make it two separate K-6 schools. This would isolate same-grade teachers, separate existing classmates & friends, cause a mess with bus schedules (increasing costs), require the addition of more administrative staff, and ultimately just piss off a bunch of people and benefit very few.

[dannno]

wOW.

[mczerone]

The biggest issue I have with the people who insist that the only way to make sure "we all get water" is to socialize the industry is what happens when there just isn't enough to go around?

Will President Obama join the people in Sudan and Northern China in a 2oz/day ration? What black market will spring up to give outlaws, mobsters, and government cronies "all the water they can drink" in return for favors?

Water isn't a right - it is a valued and limited resource, and the only way to ensure the stability of that resource is to allow the price to vary. Unfortunately this does mean that some may go thirsty - but it will also show us who is truly altruistic and will help the less fortunate and who will hoard resources in an attempt to wield power derived from their wealth. Arbitrarily saying that everyone gets the water that they "need" (who decides how much I can use, and does it matter my body type or health situation?) will lead everyone down the path of ruin.

Thanks to the OP for having the fortitude to voice his opinions in what may have been a hostile mob - I bet there were tens of people that left that meeting thinking about what "rights" are, and how to handle limited resources. If nothing had been said those same people would have left and taken the speaker at her word, never questioning that she might be wrong, despite all of the governmental and corporate backing she has.

I would have left out anything about Flouride - it's an issue, but only because the water is socialized - you are paying to support a treatment that you don't believe in, against your will. The same can be said about the many debates about what should be taught in our schools: Whatever your stances about evolution, socialization, 'new math', or any specific viewpoint of history, the real problem is that you are being forced to subsidize something in which you don't believe.

Stand up, and question the tyranny!

[tggroo7]

Quick question. What did SE mean by the question:

"Is China doing a good job?"

Thanks

Also wondering the same thing. I am lost.


And I've never really understood why people pay to get bottled water when water from your average faucet is AT LEAST as healthy. Even if it became true that bottled water is healthier than tap water, I'm still frustrated as hell because it doesn't matter since NEITHER IS UNHEALTHY, so why pay for one when the other is free (or, at least, not as expensive if you live in a city)! I'm not a scientist, but I would bet good money that Person A growing up drinking tap water would turn out no different health-wise than Person B drinking 100% pure and clean water. My point: tap water is just fine, drink it. Nonetheless, bottled water should absolutely NOT be banned, that's just as stupid as the fact that they have customers.

[2young2vote]

Looks like this woman sells a lot of books and makes documentaries. Communism is big business these days.

That is true. Just this year in my senior English class in high school i had to read a book called "Nickel and Dimed" written by Barbara Ehrenreich and it was the biggest POS i have ever had to read. Basically, This author decided that it would be a good idea to try to live a life working low paying jobs. She went to three different cities and got jobs and tried to live a life there-this isn't the thing that got me upset; i am glad she told about how it really is. What got me upset was how all she did, throughout the entire book, was criticize the businesses she worked at. She criticized management-even managers from small companies. She talked about how horrible she was treated and how she *GASP* had to have a drug test before she could get a job at Walmart :eek: . And that was only part of it. She criticized the work ethics of people who had better jobs than her then in one part of the book she talks about how she and her fellow employees go speeding, way above the speed limit, in a quiet neighborhood blaring rap music that has "F This" and "F that" every other word and how she and the other employees in the van burst out laughing when they pass a lady pushing her baby in a stroller..i was like WTF.

She should have been happy that she was even ABLE to get a job...in most other countries you can't just move to another city and find a job and a place to live in one or two days...Yet she still found a way to complain about how Evil businesses are and how great government is. I had to read other things about her. One thing she wrote about herself was how she "Marched the streets of Detroit with Acorn" which, correct me if i am wrong, tried to get Banks to make it easier to give loans to poorer people. Then in another article (a more recent one) she said how horrible it is that these banks gave people loans that they new the people couldn't afford...i was like "You're just a hypocrite :mad: " She wants minimum wage to be raised and she thinks big business can afford it (it can) but she doesn't say a single thing about the small businesses like the one i work at that will struggle even more and have to raise prices ALOT. Michigan (where i live) just had it raised from $5something to $7something and we had to raise the prices alot and dramatically change the menu.

but what got me the most angry was the fact that we were forced to read this in school. We didn't read it because it was a classic piece or because it had a good writing style. We read it because we were being brainwashed into thinking that government is the solution to everything and that business is horrible.

Atleast we get to read 1984.
She tries to make you think that you need to do something for the poorer people.

So yes, people with ideas that devalue your ego do sell alot of books.

[Andrew-Austin]

Those questions made me wish I were there to witness people's reactions, sounds quite amusing.

[dr. hfn]

yes! bam! hit em where it hurts, in their fantasy land

[satchelmcqueen]

how dare you question authority!

good job

[gilliganscorner]

Also wondering the same thing. I am lost.


And I've never really understood why people pay to get bottled water when water from your average faucet is AT LEAST as healthy. Even if it became true that bottled water is healthier than tap water, I'm still frustrated as hell because it doesn't matter since NEITHER IS UNHEALTHY, so why pay for one when the other is free (or, at least, not as expensive if you live in a city)! I'm not a scientist, but I would bet good money that Person A growing up drinking tap water would turn out no different health-wise than Person B drinking 100% pure and clean water. My point: tap water is just fine, drink it. Nonetheless, bottled water should absolutely NOT be banned, that's just as stupid as the fact that they have customers.

I understand it now. This is what happens when you try and let government centrally plan water resources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_water_crisis).

BTW, many people question the validity of putting fluoride in drinking water. I don't know a great deal about it, but what I do know is that no one should be forcing me to drink it against my will, by preventing me from buying bottled water that has it removed, or me buying a distiller to remove it myself.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

WooHoo, you go boy!!

[Brassmouth]

Good job, man. I wish I was there. I too derive a certain sadistic joy from angering socialists. ;)

[H Roark]

Bravo OP!

[Brassmouth]

That is true. Just this year in my senior English class in high school i had to read a book called "Nickel and Dimed" written by Barbara Ehrenreich and it was the biggest POS i have ever had to read. Basically, This author decided that it would be a good idea to try to live a life working low paying jobs. She went to three different cities and got jobs and tried to live a life there-this isn't the thing that got me upset; i am glad she told about how it really is. What got me upset was how all she did, throughout the entire book, was criticize the businesses she worked at. She criticized management-even managers from small companies. She talked about how horrible she was treated and how she *GASP* had to have a drug test before she could get a job at Walmart :eek: . And that was only part of it. She criticized the work ethics of people who had better jobs than her then in one part of the book she talks about how she and her fellow employees go speeding, way above the speed limit, in a quiet neighborhood blaring rap music that has "F This" and "F that" every other word and how she and the other employees in the van burst out laughing when they pass a lady pushing her baby in a stroller..i was like WTF.

She should have been happy that she was even ABLE to get a job...in most other countries you can't just move to another city and find a job and a place to live in one or two days...Yet she still found a way to complain about how Evil businesses are and how great government is. I had to read other things about her. One thing she wrote about herself was how she "Marched the streets of Detroit with Acorn" which, correct me if i am wrong, tried to get Banks to make it easier to give loans to poorer people. Then in another article (a more recent one) she said how horrible it is that these banks gave people loans that they new the people couldn't afford...i was like "You're just a hypocrite :mad: " She wants minimum wage to be raised and she thinks big business can afford it (it can) but she doesn't say a single thing about the small businesses like the one i work at that will struggle even more and have to raise prices ALOT. Michigan (where i live) just had it raised from $5something to $7something and we had to raise the prices alot and dramatically change the menu.

but what got me the most angry was the fact that we were forced to read this in school. We didn't read it because it was a classic piece or because it had a good writing style. We read it because we were being brainwashed into thinking that government is the solution to everything and that business is horrible.

Atleast we get to read 1984.
She tries to make you think that you need to do something for the poorer people.

So yes, people with ideas that devalue your ego do sell alot of books.

I had to read excerpts from this book for my political econ class. I can testify to it's shittiness. I was absolutely horrible. I spend the entire writing assignment bashing the author. This is what I wrote to my professor on the bottom of the assignment:

"Overall, I can't say I enjoyed the book very much, and I would appreciate it if you didn't assign books written by Marxist potheads in the future." :cool:

[gilliganscorner]

I had to read excerpts from this book for my political econ class. I can testify to it's shittiness. I was absolutely horrible. I spend the entire writing assignment bashing the author. This is what I wrote to my professor on the bottom of the assignment:

"Overall, I can't say I enjoyed the book very much, and I would appreciate it if you didn't assign books written by Marxist potheads in the future." :cool:

There are many books they could assign in high school to teenagers that would be ultimate. I have been in the habit of downloading audiobooks to the ol' iPod - no music on it - and turning off MSM babble via the radio. My headspace is clearing up. There are many good ones, but if I had to narrow it down?

Henry's Hazlitt's - "Economics in One Lesson"
Rothbard's - "What has Government done to our Money?"

Once you read/hear these books, and REALLY process what the authors are saying, never again will you look at the economy the same way. There is a reason we are ejected financially illiterate out of "publik edukashun".

Then again, does one really expect books that highlight the horrors of the Statist-quo to be taught in brainwashing school?

[Petar]

Thank you everyone for the kind words of support.


Im not into the hole fluoride thing, but a lot of those questions were great.

As for this so called "right to water", what makes water so special that rather than buying it as I please, I am forced to have my wages docked via taxes to pay for it?

And who in Canada cant get water?

Thanks.

The whole fluoride thing is pretty simple actually. You don't have to believe the stories that the NAZI's and Soviets used fluoride in their prison camps (I don't actually know for sure if that is true or not), but if you do a bit of research, then you will find that municipal water contains levels that are otherwise considered toxic when ingested. Fluorosis is a very nasty illness, and how can a free society force medication upon its citizens anyway?


Awesome job man, where in Canada did this take place, may i ask? :cool:

Thanks.

Windsor Ontario Canada


Quick question. What did SE mean by the question:

"Is China doing a good job?"

Thanks

Well, the lady kept harping on about an international crisis involving water conservation, and she was also saying that her initiative to make water a "human right" was gonna promote local control of resources.

I firmly believed that this lady was an agent of the fabian socialists at the United Nations, who just wanna turn the whole world into a fascist dictatorship a la China, so I just wanted to hear about what she thought of the environmental progress being made over there.

I guess most of the audience had no clue why I brought it up, but I have no doubt in my mind that she knew exactly what I was getting at, which is what made the question feel very worthwhile to me nonetheless.