What the hell does it mean to be green anyway?

[paulitics]

I received some political crap about green this and green that. It got me thinking, what the hell does it mean to be green?

When it comes to pollution, I am disgusted by the laxness of the EPA, who lowers the standards of toxins like heavy metals in drinking water to unhealthy levels. I am disgusted by the FDA who sides with the GMO companies, and NOW we have cloned meat in the market, which lord knows the consequences.


I buy all my food organic, which is healthier and supports mom and pop farms and the environment. I am also concerned with the bees dying, and the reasons for this to be occuring? Pure silence form the green idealists. Most don't know, most don't care.


I am in favor of electric vehicle technology, and am a proponent of the free market solving this problem. I want to rid ourselves off middle east oil, for obvious political reasons.

However I think Global Warming/ now Climate Change is a load of horse shit.

So, does this mean I am now an anit-environmentalist? I hate everything green, and I hate the earth? Most green idealists would think so. Why is that? Do you run into the same thing with your family or friends? discuss

[Elwar]

socialist

[nullvalu]

I told my wife this past halloween that I was going to dress in a green sweatsuit, dye my hair green, and paint every visible piece of skin green, and just go around telling people that "I'm Green! WooHooHoo!!"

[ronpaulhawaii]

I'll often introduce myself as a "green conservative" when meeting with the more liberal types. Interesting to see the reactions - :D

[MikeStanart]

I told my wife this past halloween that I was going to dress in a green sweatsuit, dye my hair green, and paint every visible piece of skin green, and just go around telling people that "I'm Green! WooHooHoo!!"

Save yourself the trouble and get one of these:

http://a174.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/81/l_657dd68f432ed0a5f886e1d82147e9fd.gif

[nullvalu]

Save yourself the trouble and get one of these:

http://a174.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/81/l_657dd68f432ed0a5f886e1d82147e9fd.gif

Nice! Now all I need are some dance classes. :D:confused:

[dannno]

No, it means you are an environmentalist just like the rest of the non-elitist environmentalists because you are concerned with the same things that real environmentalists are concerned with... Al Gore is not a real environmentalist, and the only reason he is cheered on is because many non-elite environmentalists believe he is sending a positive message to the masses. I used to think the same way, I didn't think that telling mis-truths about the environment was neccessarily the worst thing because it would hopefully get us to stop toxic pollution. Then I realized that the real agenda of global warming was to distract environmentalists from important things like removing toxic pollution and focusing instead on CO2.

I live in California, and real environmentalists also eat organic, don't like in GMO, shop at local farmer's markets, etc.. the only difference is that they believe the government can help us live more "green", and do not understand that the environmentalist movement has been infiltrated from the top.

[pauletteNV]

Being green means you make croaking sounds, call yourself Kermit, and promote policies which limit growth and human comfort. (This is a bit tongue-in-cheek)

[JoshLowry]

I told my wife this past halloween that I was going to dress in a green sweatsuit, dye my hair green, and paint every visible piece of skin green, and just go around telling people that "I'm Green! WooHooHoo!!"

LOL, ever heard of "green man" from It's always sunny in Philadelphia?

http://www.fancast.com/tv/Its-Always-Sunny-in-Philadelphia/2157/565974699/The-Gang-Gets-Invincible/videos

[jkr]

smart.

it means intelligently using the resources around you so that your survival doesn't trample on others liberty.

[Natalie]

My brother was green man for Halloween.

http://i39.tinypic.com/21lio8y.jpg

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

The green movement is ripe for the taking. The majority in the green movement already have similar concerns, but just haven't thought about the BS the same way we have.

When the greens push for more support for organic farmers in the farm bill, explain that the VAST majority of the farm bill is direct payments to factory farms, and that ending the farm bill altogether would encourage organic/sustainable farming practices.

I love the "cowfarts lead to global warming" crap. If cattle are intensively grazed on grassland, the soil itself would act as a carbon sink and each acre of pasture would permenantly sequester several tons of CO2 every single year.

This global warming crap is the central doctrine of the green religion. All it takes is some common sense discussion and it becomes OUR issue.

[satchelmcqueen]

simply put, being green is another way of being patriotic to the earth...and then soon youll be even more patriotic when paying your carbon taxes.

green=carbon taxes (the push for it)

[smithtg]

previous posting

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=172417&highlight=green+jobs

[dannno]

The green movement is ripe for the taking. The majority in the green movement already have similar concerns, but just haven't thought about the BS the same way we have.

When the greens push for more support for organic farmers in the farm bill, explain that the VAST majority of the farm bill is direct payments to factory farms, and that ending the farm bill altogether would encourage organic/sustainable farming practices.

I love the "cowfarts lead to global warming" crap. If cattle are intensively grazed on grassland, the soil itself would act as a carbon sink and each acre of pasture would permenantly sequester several tons of CO2 every single year.

This global warming crap is the central doctrine of the green religion. All it takes is some common sense discussion and it becomes OUR issue.


Precisely!!

[Young Paleocon]

I saw an interview on book tv yesterday (yes i'm that boring) with Christopher Horner who discusses the current environmentalist movements political objectives and deceptions. I encourage everyone to youtube some of his interviews.

[dannno]

simply put, being green is another way of being patriotic to the earth...and then soon youll be even more patriotic when paying your carbon taxes.

green=carbon taxes (the push for it)

That's just what the elitists have turned it into.

[OferNave]

the only difference is that they believe the government can help us live more "green", and do not understand that the environmentalist movement has been infiltrated from the top.

Not infiltrated from the top. Created from the top, purely for the purpose of undermining property rights and creating arguments for world government (pollution crosses borders, blah blah). Also evidence that it was considered as a religion-replacement, but I'm not as well researched on that angle.

[Oyate]

You conceited humans are over-analyzing as usual. Being green generally means you are full of chlorophyll or you are an amphibian. Consult the words of Kermit the Frog:

"It's not that easy being green;
Having to spend each day the color of the leaves."

And he goes on to say:

"But green's the color of Spring.
And green can be cool and friendly-like.
And green can be big like an ocean, or important like a mountain,
or tall like a tree."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbCI68eSNsA

[DeadheadForPaul]

i'm pretty much in the same boat as the original poster

Green from head to toe. Regardless of whether or not you believe that global warming is caused by humans, there are other resaons (see: financial incentives and health) for "going green"

For me, it's hard to look at all the smokestacks and car exhaust without thinking "gee, this may not be good for the environment..."

[Pepsi]

To be "Green" you must worship Mother Earth, have only one child, get your self sterilize, and die at the youngest age as possible.

[surf]

I buy all my food organic, which is healthier and supports mom and pop farms and the environment.

i've read (somewhere) that "organic" foods may not be as "green" as some suppose they are. it has something to with crop yields and transport costs, etc. it's a similar argument posed against those that believe a "plastic bag tax" in Seattle is good for the environment - i.e. recycling plast bags leads to more pollution than creating them.

my position on this is: if it makes you feel good, do it. i recycle, pick up strewn garbage, etc. for two reasons: it makes me feel good, and i don't like to look at garbage.

[dannno]

i've read (somewhere) that "organic" foods may not be as "green" as some suppose they are. it has something to with crop yields and transport costs, etc.

I can imagine that non-organic crops yield more produce per acre, but I can't really see how that increases the transportation costs. Sounds like a study done by Monsanto.. They are the ones who provide factory farms with factory farm chemicals.. chemical fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, GMO seeds, animal hormones/antibiotics.. all these things end up in our food supply and in our environment... and they are toxic..

[zach]

my position on this is: if it makes you feel good, do it. i recycle, pick up strewn garbage, etc. for two reasons: it makes me feel good, and i don't like to look at garbage.

This is how I am. But God forbid if someone tells me that I'm not part of the "solution." :rolleyes:

[paulitics]

i've read (somewhere) that "organic" foods may not be as "green" as some suppose they are. it has something to with crop yields and transport costs, etc. it's a similar argument posed against those that believe a "plastic bag tax" in Seattle is good for the environment - i.e. recycling plast bags leads to more pollution than creating them.

my position on this is: if it makes you feel good, do it. i recycle, pick up strewn garbage, etc. for two reasons: it makes me feel good, and i don't like to look at garbage.


It's not monsanto, and not GMO (yet), and it does support the small guy (in general). And it tastes better. The other crap is fake crap, not healthy. There is a big difference. I do it for health reasons alone. We need to take back our food supply.

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[DirtMcGirt]

We haven't done real research as a society in quite sometime so the only thing they can do is market our products differently.
*Captain Obvious states "They are trying to package our tired-old consumer products with some propaganda to save our world." Spend your fiat dollars on this stuff or all of you are screwed.

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Going 'green' is a fad, and is being used as a tool by the establishment to create a more controlled society. It it much better to be a responsible steward of the planet than it is to subscribe to some 'green' fad. Think about it... milk used to be delivered in glass... that was used over and over... but why not any more? Because they make more money with the polluting with the plastic. But it's ok, feel the shame for being a bad human.... it's your fault you get 500 lbs of junk mail each year.....


Actually, my wife's uncle did a study on the environmental impact of glass verses plastic containers. Taking many things into account (including broken glass bottles, plastic that is or is not recycled, chemicals needed to clean glass containers, water used, impact of harvesting raw materials, etc.--he really is very thorough) he concluded that there is no environmental benefit of one over the other.