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Feenix566
01-09-2009, 03:47 PM
Have you been getting Conservative Action Alerts in your inbox? Have you been wondering how these people got your name? I can tell you. Ron Paul's 2008 campaign sold your email address, and I can prove it.

I have my own domain name. Any email sent to any address at that domain name gets re-routed to me. So what that means is that I can make up email addresses on the fly. I could tell someone that my email address was anything I wanted it to be, as long as it ends with my domain name, and if they send email to that address, I'll get it.

So, every time I sign up for an account on any web site, I always fill in the email address as <the website I'm signing up for>@<my domain name> So for instance when I signed up for ebay my address is ebay.com@<my domain name>. That way, whenever I get spam, I can figure out how the spammers got my email address. Any email addressed to ebay.com@<my domain name> must have originated from ebay.com.

Well all those Conservative Action Alerts we've been getting have been addressed to ronpaul2008.com@<my domain name>. They sold our addresses. I'm a bit disappointed, especially when I get Conservative Action Alerts instructing me to do something hateful and/or discriminatory towards homosexuals.

DirtMcGirt
01-09-2009, 03:52 PM
i just checked all my email accounts and the only odd one i get is rallyfortherepublic, which i don't know if i signed up for.

nullvalu
01-09-2009, 03:55 PM
I have been getting those emails too. If they did indeed sell them, then I am damn upset about it. Was it Ron Paul's campaign directly or was it the CFL?

DirtMcGirt
01-09-2009, 03:56 PM
just checked my spam folders, yeah i have them...

Feenix566
01-09-2009, 03:56 PM
It was whoever owns ronpaul2008.com

The One
01-09-2009, 03:59 PM
If I had all your email addresses and could make money off them, I'd sell them too.:p

nullvalu
01-09-2009, 04:01 PM
If I had all your email addresses and could make money off them, I'd sell them too.:p

Umm, I'm pretty sure there was a privacy policy in place when we signed up, does anyone have a copy of that?

gls
01-09-2009, 04:11 PM
I just searched my spam folder and sure enough it's loaded with them. One from yesterday is advertising "Palin 2012" bumper stickers. :rolleyes: Personally I'm fine with the promotion of REAL liberty causes and candidates but that's just disgusting.

LibertyEagle
01-09-2009, 04:18 PM
It was whoever owns ronpaul2008.com

Have any proof of that, or are you just making a declaration with nothing to back it up?

LibertyEagle
01-09-2009, 04:21 PM
FWIW, I just checked my spam box and I don't have even one like you're talking about.

nullvalu
01-09-2009, 04:21 PM
Have any proof of that, or are you just making a declaration with nothing to back it up?

It doesn't necessarily have to be the person who owned the domain, just the person who had access to the list. I think the OP did a pretty good job of backing up his claims, and some of the rest of us ARE getting this spam too.

Change
01-09-2009, 04:24 PM
Obviously you don't know Ron Paul, if he was going to sell his supporters out, he would have done it to get into the Republican Convention. Since you have no evidence that Ron Paul has done this, I woud put up or shut up. This is rumors that in the end does nothing but to get Ron Paul Supporters eye off the ball of Liberty and Fredom.

LibertyEagle
01-09-2009, 04:34 PM
It doesn't necessarily have to be the person who owned the domain, just the person who had access to the list. I think the OP did a pretty good job of backing up his claims, and some of the rest of us ARE getting this spam too.

Fair enough. I sent something to C4L about it. Let's see what they can find out.

Change
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
That is a good idea.

TruthisTreason
01-09-2009, 04:41 PM
I received an email from them, maybe two; thought it was spam. :o

TruthisTreason
01-09-2009, 04:42 PM
Actually, I recovered one.


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angelatc
01-09-2009, 04:54 PM
Have any proof of that, or are you just making a declaration with nothing to back it up?

Did you even read his post? He has proof.

Either the campaign sold the emails or somebody at the ISP went fishing.

LibertyEagle
01-09-2009, 04:56 PM
Did you even read his post? He has proof.

Either the campaign sold the emails or somebody at the ISP went fishing.

Yes, I did, Angela. I guess I'm wanting more. I sent an email to C4L and for me, I'd like to wait to carry out the execution until we find out what they have to say.

I will be none to happy IF they sold our emails either. At this point, I don't know that they did, however.

angelatc
01-09-2009, 05:08 PM
Yes, I did, Angela. I guess I'm wanting more. I sent an email to C4L and for me, I'd like to wait to carry out the execution until we find out what they have to say.

I will be none to happy IF they sold our emails either. At this point, I don't know that they did, however.

I am just cynical. I knew they would, so I didn't bother with the domain name. I used a yahoo.com address.

dannno
01-09-2009, 05:26 PM
Hmmm.. I am getting those sent to my spam box.. but I have no reason to think it was the campaign.

Change
01-09-2009, 08:55 PM
Did you even read his post? He has proof.

Either the campaign sold the emails or somebody at the ISP went fishing.

Well then we all should have receive the same thing. I can tell you I did not. The way the mass email system works if someone bought it would be to send it to everyone, not just select ones. Maybe you are on some other posting network and they sold it. I am sorry I think you are just assuming and you know what they say when you assume.

I see no smoking gun here and even if that was the case, delete the freakin message, doesn't mean you have to reply or get involved. I think this is an entire waste of time, discussion.

Sorry, My take on the situation, we have bigger fish to fry.

LittleLightShining
01-10-2009, 07:08 AM
I got email from the PCC at two different email addresses. I'm not sure why but I get Conservative Action Alerts at one of them and not the other.

LurkingVariable
01-12-2009, 09:37 AM
I'm afraid the OP was correct. Whether they were "sold" or not may be in question, but there is no doubt that the email addresses of those who registered with the Ron Paul 2008 website have been provided to these groups: "Conservative Action Alerts", "Right March", and the "Ludwig von Mises Institute". Like the OP, when I donated to the RP campaign I provided a unique email address (ronpaul2008@ - My Domain - .com) that was only used for registering with that site (I do this commonly to track sources of spam). The image of my inbox (http://www.4freeimagehost.com/uploads/c519e02f9b4d.png) (below) shows the 20 or so emails I've received from the three groups listed above in the last month. I am still an RP supporter, but I would like to see an explanation from the campaign. Of course, if "Right March" paid money for my email address then the joke is on them,'cuz there's about zero chance I'll ever want to put a "Palin 2012" sticker on my car.

-LV

http://www.4freeimagehost.com/uploads/c519e02f9b4d.png

angelatc
01-12-2009, 09:48 AM
I see no smoking gun here .....

Then your eyes are closed. If the OP used an email address at one site, and one site only, and that email address is now being used by several sites, it indicates a couple possibilities.

1. Somebody fished the ISP. If that were true, the poster would likely be getting more offers for viagra than solicitations for liberty.

2. A campaign worker stole the emails and sold them.

3. The campaign sold them. I heard through the grapevine that the Campaign To Reelect.... now owns them.

I am getting them too. Maybe only people who donated are getting solicited?

Sandra
01-12-2009, 09:53 AM
I'm not getting anything.

Pennsylvania
01-12-2009, 10:04 AM
I didn't donate to them and I received the same e-mail.

ronpaulhawaii
01-12-2009, 10:06 AM
I'm not getting anything.

I just went through my spamboxes and found a total of one email from CAA. I used multiple accounts for donating/etc.

Hmmmm...

tonesforjonesbones
01-12-2009, 10:12 AM
Hmmm i don't recall getting any of those..I'll go look again though. tones

Aratus
01-12-2009, 10:13 AM
the other thing is... people can hack into data-bases...
like even if NONE of the rEVOLUTIOn people sold any list...
like what if SOMEONE went thru an admin "back door" yet is
not admin, and then boldly sold the list(s) to a string of wannabe
politicos + pacs? ...someone wants big money to back palin in 2012...

nullvalu
01-12-2009, 10:19 AM
In the box I used for signing up at the campaign, I have about 15-20 spam messages from CAA starting in november, and a few from RightMarch.

angelatc
01-12-2009, 10:40 AM
the other thing is... people can hack into data-bases...
like even if NONE of the rEVOLUTIOn people sold any list...
like what if SOMEONE went thru an admin "back door" yet is
not admin, and then boldly sold the list(s) to a string of wannabe
politicos + pacs? ...someone wants big money to back palin in 2012...

I suspect if the emails were stolen, the spams wouldn't be so targeted.

Matt Collins
01-12-2009, 12:24 PM
Let's just say that I heard that a lot of the HQ donor lists got passed around during the campaign.

jlaker
01-12-2009, 12:40 PM
I don't have any of those e-mails you talking about.

Bradley in DC
01-12-2009, 10:52 PM
I got email from the PCC at two different email addresses. I'm not sure why but I get Conservative Action Alerts at one of them and not the other.

Same here, not sure why either.

Change
01-12-2009, 11:34 PM
Okay enough of this.. .are you a name on a list or a ron paul republican. This is simply a diversion. What this tells you is that you are the strongest link against the democrats and republicans that have sold out. Don't be fooled, stay on task.

torchbearer
01-12-2009, 11:42 PM
I haven't gotten anything either.

Change
01-13-2009, 12:13 AM
OKAY GUYS ARE YOU POWERFUL OR NOT? SO are your freaking out because someone might have our email addresses?

new flash, get over it. we have a very successful website and organization that has already made a huge difference in questioning the appointment Obama's Sergent General.

Don't get diverted! I warn you for the third time....stay effective and supportive of Ron Paul, he knows what he is doing. You are just not there, not in the House of Representatives.

Let's take a look at what he has accomplished in his words and his deeds.

At the very least, Ron Paul has educated us; it is not about selling of names and addresses, even in the worst case....which is simply NOT TRUE. He could have sold out for much less or much more..Ask yourself...why would he ever sell out at this time, at this moment, he just would not. Trust me...I have met him, he would not. The sell out price was much more valuable when McCain was running, it is a simply attempt to disolve Ron Paul Republicans, which should never happen. Keep your game on! Watch, but be confident and raise some funds and some HELL! Stay strong!

Crowish
01-14-2009, 01:39 PM
When I unsubscribed from the Conservative Action Alerts email in my spam folder, the ubsubscribe web page gave this info:

If you have any questions or concerns regarding Conservative Action Alerts, you can write to us at:

Conservative Action Alerts
1725B Oregon Pike Suite #106
Lancaster , PA 17601 US

which also corresponds with ht tp://dienerconsultants.com and a Google search brings up ht tp://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Diener_Minutemen.htm

Feenix566
04-02-2009, 10:34 AM
Have any proof of that, or are you just making a declaration with nothing to back it up?

Yes, I have proof. I got the spam emails, and they're addressed to ronpaul2008.com@mydomain (where mydomain is the name of my domain) This is a unique address. I only ever supplied it to one place. There is only one place from which these spammers could have possibly gotten that address, ronpaul2008.com.

This is not supposition. This is fact.

TonySutton
04-02-2009, 10:49 AM
I have not received any e-mails like the ones you described.

JoshLowry
04-02-2009, 11:30 AM
Yes, I have proof. I got the spam emails, and they're addressed to ronpaul2008.com@mydomain (where mydomain is the name of my domain) This is a unique address. I only ever supplied it to one place. There is only one place from which these spammers could have possibly gotten that address, ronpaul2008.com.

This is not supposition. This is fact.

Did you use your email for any petitions?

Some people harvested email addresses by getting Ron Paulers to sign onto petitions where you had to use an email address.

It doesn't make sense that some people got the spam and others did not.

:confused:

Feenix566
04-02-2009, 11:42 AM
Did you use your email for any petitions?

Some people harvested email addresses by getting Ron Paulers to sign onto petitions where you had to use an email address.

It doesn't make sense that some people got the spam and others did not.

:confused:

Not to my recollection. Whenever I am asked for an email address, I look up at the URL bar of my browser, and use the name of the server displayed there.

Bradley in DC
04-02-2009, 11:43 AM
It doesn't make sense that some people got the spam and others did not.

:confused:

Josh, the campaign had two email addresses of mine. I got put on the unsolicited spam list from one of my email addresses but not the other. It seems as though the campaign sold "some" of their database. (No, that doesn't make sense to me why they'd do that, but I'm at a loss to understand much of what they did during the campaign too.)

Feenix566
04-02-2009, 11:44 AM
Just for the record, I'm not suggesting that we should all vote Palin in 2012 because Ron Paul's campaign sold our email addresses. This is really a non-issue. I don't care. You shouldn't care. I voted for Ron Paul because he was the only one running whom I believed would follow through on his promises to cut government spending and rein in useless regulations. I'm going to vote on the same principles in 2010 and 2012.

specsaregood
04-02-2009, 11:48 AM
Josh, the campaign had two email addresses of mine. I got put on the unsolicited spam list from one of my email addresses but not the other. It seems as though the campaign sold "some" of their database. (No, that doesn't make sense to me why they'd do that, but I'm at a loss to understand much of what they did during the campaign too.)

I've gotten them too, but I just figured it was from giving out my email for online polls. If they sold my email address to use for the "Conservative Action Alerts" that would upset me; because like the OP I find some of those alerts to be very hateful. I didn't join up with this "movement" because I wanted to hate on anybody other than those trying to limit my freedoms.

constituent
04-02-2009, 01:00 PM
Well then we all should have receive the same thing. I can tell you I did not. The way the mass email system works if someone bought it would be to send it to everyone, not just select ones. Maybe you are on some other posting network and they sold it. I am sorry I think you are just assuming and you know what they say when you assume.

I see no smoking gun here and even if that was the case, delete the freakin message, doesn't mean you have to reply or get involved. I think this is an entire waste of time, discussion.

Sorry, My take on the situation, we have bigger fish to fry.

hahah, did you work for the campaign?

NACBA
01-30-2015, 02:10 PM
Why is this thread showing up in an ad above my Gmail messages?

specsaregood
01-30-2015, 02:18 PM
Why is this thread showing up in an ad above my Gmail messages?

If true, screenshot it. and post the pic here and the exact link it is giving you.

NACBA
01-30-2015, 02:24 PM
If true, screenshot it. and post the pic here and the exact link it is giving you.

It is true...here is the latest one I got

http://i.imgur.com/kb91PHg.png

NACBA
01-30-2015, 02:29 PM
If true, screenshot it. and post the pic here and the exact link it is giving you.

Okay--it just showed up again

http://i.imgur.com/7k4AtA9.png

specsaregood
01-30-2015, 02:31 PM
Okay--it just showed up again
http://i.imgur.com/7k4AtA9.png

I don't use gmail, but maybe its not an ad but just like a bookmark telling you the last thing you were reading.

Sola_Fide
01-30-2015, 02:31 PM
I have a few new ones, but not the one mentioned in the OP. I never open any of this crap anyway.

NACBA
01-30-2015, 02:32 PM
I don't use gmail, but maybe its not an ad but just like a bookmark telling you the last thing you were reading.

It's weird cuz I am getting a bunch of old news headlines in a loop with this link. Why would Google run such old ads/links?

euphemia
01-30-2015, 02:57 PM
I get a lot of spam emails from that group and others related to them. Not happy about it, either.

NACBA
01-30-2015, 03:01 PM
I get a lot of spam emails from that group and others related to them. Not happy about it, either.

Me too--very annoying