Help: Quick question

[LibertyEagle]

I'm arguing with someone on another board.

I can't remember the phrase and I need your help. What were the conditions under which we could attack another country? If they attacked us and something about if we knew they would attack us shortly. <--- can't remember the phrase.

[angelatc]

Just War Theory?

[LibertyEagle]

Just War Theory?

That's part of it, but it's not the phrase I was looking for.

Hey, do you know where I can find the criteria that Ron mentioned for the Just War theory? There were like 5 things that he listed. I'm looking for it now.

[yongrel]

Imminent Threat?

[unconsious767]

I was thinkin 'imminent threat' also.


JUST WAR THEORY: JUS AD BELLUM (CAUSES)

I. JUST CAUSE
A. Defense against Unjust Invader; Aggression may qualify
B. Protection of family & home from direct harm
C. Recovery goods unjustly taken
D. Protection of rights, liberties, gov't from encroachment
E. Defense of Allies who have been unjustly attacked, etc.

II. JUST INTENT
A. "Peace is our Profession," not selfish gain, power
B. Peace and/or Defense, not hatred and/or expansion, the goal
C. Less just intentions are often mixed: clearly distinguish
D. Perfect intent is unnecessary; justifiability of intent is

III. LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY
A. Legitimate Gov't, or head of, must make the declaration
B. The Authority must also be Legally Competent to do so
C. Recognized International organization (U.N.) may qualify

IV. REASONABLE PROSPECT OF SUCCESS
A. War must be fought to victory ASAP
B. It is Unjust to fight if defeat is clearly the outcome
C. Suicide is Not just (Few or No exceptions)


JUST WAR THEORY: JUS IN BELLO (CARRYING ON WARFARE)

V. LAST RESORT
A. Every reasonable means to settle must first be tried
B. War must be the only means to the end
C. Pre-Emptive Strikes assume much, but can qualify if...

VI. DISCRIMINATION
A. Civilians should be immune from attack
B. Wanton Violence or unfair Brutality must be avoided
C. Prisoners taken must be treated well & honorably
D. Property & Resources should not be unduly harmed
1. Non-War-Related resources should be left intact
2. Life-Sustaining resources must be left intact

VII. PROPORTIONALITY
A. The Good of the Outcome must exceed the Harm endured
B. Excess of Violence or Minor Cause for war, or Extended Warfare after the foe is beaten, Violate this principle
C. Means should not be Overly violent, e.g., Nuke Jaywalkers

VIII. TRADITION
A. Acts of War must not violate accepted Conventions (Geneva)
B. Acts of War must not violate International Law

http://people.westminstercollege.edu/faculty/mmarkowski/312/justwar.htm

[Bradley in DC]

Pre-emptive?:confused:

[LibertyEagle]

Imminent Threat?

Yup, that was it. Thanks.

I also found this:
http://www.leaderu.com/humanities/demy.html

I couldn't find the speech of Ron's where he listed his 5 reasons, but maybe I'll run into it some day.

[LibertyEagle]

Hey, thanks everyone for all the help. I really appreciate it. You guys are great! :)

[LibertyEagle]

I was thinkin 'imminent threat' also.


JUST WAR THEORY: JUS AD BELLUM (CAUSES)

I. JUST CAUSE
A. Defense against Unjust Invader; Aggression may qualify
B. Protection of family & home from direct harm
C. Recovery goods unjustly taken
D. Protection of rights, liberties, gov't from encroachment
E. Defense of Allies who have been unjustly attacked, etc.

II. JUST INTENT
A. "Peace is our Profession," not selfish gain, power
B. Peace and/or Defense, not hatred and/or expansion, the goal
C. Less just intentions are often mixed: clearly distinguish
D. Perfect intent is unnecessary; justifiability of intent is

III. LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY
A. Legitimate Gov't, or head of, must make the declaration
B. The Authority must also be Legally Competent to do so
C. Recognized International organization (U.N.) may qualify

IV. REASONABLE PROSPECT OF SUCCESS
A. War must be fought to victory ASAP
B. It is Unjust to fight if defeat is clearly the outcome
C. Suicide is Not just (Few or No exceptions)


JUST WAR THEORY: JUS IN BELLO (CARRYING ON WARFARE)

V. LAST RESORT
A. Every reasonable means to settle must first be tried
B. War must be the only means to the end
C. Pre-Emptive Strikes assume much, but can qualify if...

VI. DISCRIMINATION
A. Civilians should be immune from attack
B. Wanton Violence or unfair Brutality must be avoided
C. Prisoners taken must be treated well & honorably
D. Property & Resources should not be unduly harmed
1. Non-War-Related resources should be left intact
2. Life-Sustaining resources must be left intact

VII. PROPORTIONALITY
A. The Good of the Outcome must exceed the Harm endured
B. Excess of Violence or Minor Cause for war, or Extended Warfare after the foe is beaten, Violate this principle
C. Means should not be Overly violent, e.g., Nuke Jaywalkers

VIII. TRADITION
A. Acts of War must not violate accepted Conventions (Geneva)
B. Acts of War must not violate International Law

http://people.westminstercollege.edu/faculty/mmarkowski/312/justwar.htm

Ooh, that's great. Thanks. :)