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Tatsit
01-09-2009, 01:53 PM
I had no idea Chuck was such a good writer!

http://www.itsourfreedom.com/forum/index.php?a=topic&t=147


"The boogieman checks his closet for Chuck Norris before going to bed"
"Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding."

Sorry couldn't help my self :P

UtahApocalypse
01-09-2009, 01:57 PM
He is a douchebag and wanted Huckleberry screw him

BarryDonegan
01-09-2009, 01:59 PM
he supported huckleberry out of ignorance. he quoted paul craig roberts in his piece, he is obviously up to speed now.

chuck norris is one of us, there is absolutely no sensible reason to drive away CHUCK NORRIS from your movement.

heavenlyboy34
01-09-2009, 02:03 PM
Be nice to Chuck or he'll roundhouse kick ya! :eek:

Paulitical Correctness
01-09-2009, 02:04 PM
Don't most of us have shameful beginnings?

Why fault someone for being misguided. I thought the point of the "movement" was to recruit and educate people. Seems to me 'ole Norris has indeed been edumacated...

JohnMeridith
01-09-2009, 02:06 PM
Chuck gets it.

BuddyRey
01-09-2009, 02:20 PM
The U.S. is being infiltrated by illegals

Wow, he lost me from the first line! :eek:

AMBurns
01-09-2009, 02:29 PM
That is hilarious, he's recycling the titles of his 1985 cult classic Invasion U.S.A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_U.S.A._(1985_film)

This film is awesome! It actually details how terrorists could infiltrate the US with ease, then pose as cops and other authority figures. Kill people and then have the populous turn against the police.

Of course in this case Norris pops up everywhere there is trouble and kills everybody, but it's an interesting film none the less. I recommend it!

http://www.urbanarson.com

JohnMeridith
01-09-2009, 02:30 PM
That is hilarious, he's recycling the titles of his 1985 cult classic Invasion U.S.A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_U.S.A._(1985_film)

This film is awesome! It actually details how terrorists could infiltrate the US with ease, then pose as cops and other authority figures. Kill people and then have the populous turn against the police.

Of course in this case Norris pops up everywhere there is trouble and kills everybody, but it's an interesting film none the less. I recommend it!

http://www.urbanarson.com
dual wielding uzi's with a leather strap.

thasre
01-09-2009, 02:57 PM
Wow, he lost me from the first line! :eek:

Damnit BuddyRey, you stole my thunder! That's EXACTLY what I was going to write... minus the :eek:.

Also, he's clearly protectionist in terms of trade, which is not free trade at all.

BuddyRey
01-09-2009, 03:05 PM
Damnit BuddyRey, you stole my thunder! That's EXACTLY what I was going to write... minus the :eek:.

Also, he's clearly protectionist in terms of trade, which is not free trade at all.

Great libertarian minds think alike! :D

Protectionism and Nativism ≠ Freedom.

Sandra
01-09-2009, 03:12 PM
If Americans want everyone to buy their products, then America needs to MAKE a great product at a reasonable price, only then will the world buy.

JohnMeridith
01-09-2009, 03:19 PM
If Americans want everyone to buy their products, then America needs to MAKE a great product at a reasonable price, only then will the world buy.
I'm pretty sure people are buying inferior imported junk.

mconder
01-09-2009, 03:34 PM
If Americans want everyone to buy their products, then America needs to MAKE a great product at a reasonable price, only then will the world buy.

In my experience, Americans don't have the self respect to spend a little more for something of quality. I pride myself on enjoying many of the finer things the average, self loathing, Wal-Mart buying American can't begin to understand. I took some of my Wal-Mart minded friends out to a fine Italian restaurant a few weeks ago and all they could do was complain about the food and talk about how they wish they could just have a Domino's pizza. It's almost like they were proud to be losers. The is how sick we've become.

Tatsit
01-09-2009, 03:39 PM
If Americans want everyone to buy their products, then America needs to MAKE a great product at a reasonable price, only then will the world buy.

In my experience, Americans don't have the self respect to spend a little more for something of quality.

With the economy so crappy its hard to pass up walmart prices :P Get rid of stupid taxes and regulations bring the price down for american made products - bring back manufacturing jobs back into the US instead of china and india and people would be able to afford american made products.

I hate calling microsoft because nobody speaks a lick of english.

Smoke the Liberty Tree
01-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Wow, he lost me from the first line! :eek:

Hes the texas ranger, of course he hates illegals. :p

Lord Xar
01-09-2009, 05:48 PM
Damnit BuddyRey, you stole my thunder! That's EXACTLY what I was going to write... minus the :eek:.

Also, he's clearly protectionist in terms of trade, which is not free trade at all.

Funny. You see a 'us' as nativist and protectionist and I look at you and see an open border apologist who has no issue with citizens footing the bill for the flood of illegals.

Chuck secured me on his first line.

Way to go Chuck. Screw these numbskulls who want open borders and have no issue with everyone else footing the bill, while our wages are suppressed and our schools & hospitals are overflowing and closing. You will see direct correlations with the burdens illegals and their anchor babies put on our states, and the number of them IN each state.

I will go out on a limb here and come to some conclusions.
1. you still live at your parents house.
2. you are single (no family)
3. you don't live in an area that is flooded with illegals.

In other words, you don't live in reality.

Phuk illegals. simple.

satchelmcqueen
01-09-2009, 05:50 PM
i think chuck has saw the light and has backed away from huck and came to us more over the last year.

chuck: "i once supported mike huckabee. I was told things but didnt see them until it was to late"

secrets.....

chuck:" sometimes when the lights are off i force them back on with pure intimidation."


secrets...

chuck:" i now like ron paul more so than huck."


CHUCK NORRIS!

SECRETS!

ON FOX FRIDAY AT 8:00!

BuddyRey
01-09-2009, 05:57 PM
Funny. You see a 'us' as nativist and protectionist and I look at you and see an open border apologist who has no issue with citizens footing the bill for the flood of illegals.

Chuck secured me on his first line.

Way to go Chuck. Screw these numbskulls who want open borders and everyone else footing the bill, while our wages are suppressed and our schools and hospitals are overflowing and closing.
I will go out on a limb here and come to some conclusions.
1. you still live at your parents house.
2. you are single (no family)
3. you don't live in an area that is flooded with illegals.

In other words, you don't live in reality.

Phuk illegals. simple.

Xar, I disagree with you on the border issue, but I don't think you'll find anybody on these forums who would try to justify giveaways or entitlements to illegal immigrants (or anybody else, for that matter). That is where both the pro-illegal immigration and anti-illegal immigration crowd are, to my way of thinking at least, putting the cart before the horse. The illegal immigration crisis is a problem resulting primarily from socialism, not from a laissez-faire approach to the border. If the entitlements were gone (and I agree, they should be), most of these people wouldn't even be here.

Please don't take it personally. I'm just pointing out differences I have with Chuck Norris' article, not trying to attack you or your beliefs.

Lord Xar
01-09-2009, 06:05 PM
Xar, I disagree with you on the border issue, but I don't think you'll find anybody on these forums who would try to justify giveaways or entitlements to illegal immigrants (or anybody else, for that matter). That is where both the pro-illegal immigration and anti-illegal immigration crowd are, to my way of thinking at least, putting the cart before the horse. The illegal immigration crisis is a problem resulting primarily from socialism, not from a laissez-faire approach to the border. If the entitlements were gone (and I agree, they should be), most of these people wouldn't even be here.

Calling people nativist or protectionists is just plain wrong and I take offense to that. I love my country and I want whats best for it and its citizens. If that means closing the borders because we DO have entitlement programs and we DO have schools crumbling and hospitals closing, then those are valid concerns. I would probably side with you IF WE LIVED in that utopia that you desire. In those instances, I can see no issue with illegal immigration because we probably would have very little. That isn't reality. The reality is, I have a family. Our system is crumbling. Do I advocate open borders while trying to also explain what true liberty/freedom is? No. That turns people off. When we can stop the shennanigans in Washington then perhaps our ideals can seed to a better root.

But now --

Advocating precisely the meal that feeds the corrupt system makes no sense to me.

btw - I don't take much offense from you other than being called a nativist and protectionist. When I see labeling coupled with open border advocacy, I see red lol. No offense taken, and I don't mean any :-)

thasre
01-09-2009, 06:09 PM
Funny. You see a 'us' as nativist and protectionist and I look at you and see an open border apologist who has no issue with citizens footing the bill for the flood of illegals.

Chuck secured me on his first line.

Way to go Chuck. Screw these numbskulls who want open borders and have no issue with everyone else footing the bill, while our wages are suppressed and our schools & hospitals are overflowing and closing. You will see direct correlations with the burdens illegals and their anchor babies put on our states, and the number of them IN each state.

I will go out on a limb here and come to some conclusions.
1. you still live at your parents house.
2. you are single (no family)
3. you don't live in an area that is flooded with illegals.

In other words, you don't live in reality.

Phuk illegals. simple.

Wow, so you're real bright, huh? For one, I don't live at my parents' house. I'm not married, so you're right there, and I suppose "flooded by illegals" depends on your definition. But the immigration problem is GROSSLY overexaggerated, with illegals being used as scapegoats for nanny-statism. There wouldn't be a flood of illegals if:
1. We disincentivized it by rolling back welfare state policies and
2. We made the process for legal immigration more practicable.

And when you talk about "our schools and hospitals", may I remind you that the libertarian thing is to fully privatize such institutions, allowing them to accept or reject whomever they will? I agree that we shouldn't be footing the bill for the education of illegal immigrants... so why don't we allow for greater school choice through things like education tax credits (like those advocated by the Cato Institute) rather than bitching about them thar illegals?

You also mention "our wages" but the thing is, those wages aren't "American wages". They're the wages of the business offering them and employers should be allowed to provide them to whomever they choose to enter into contracts with.

I never claimed there weren't problems with illegal immigration, but this "kick 'em out, keep 'em out, and force American companies to cater to Americans only!" mentality is ignorant, impractical, and authoritarian. If you want government-ensured job security, move to Belgium.

EDIT:
And I just want to take issue with the fact that you consistently use "us" and "our" throughout your little diatribe. There is no "us" in this. Your interests and mine obviously don't coincide... which is why the government should stay out of it and we should be free to pursue our own, separate, moral self-interest.

PlzPeopleWakeUp
01-09-2009, 06:15 PM
nt

RCA
01-09-2009, 06:30 PM
Ron Paul delivered Chuck Norris.

Lord Xar
01-09-2009, 06:32 PM
Wow, so you're real bright, huh? For one, I don't live at my parents' house. I'm not married, so you're right there, and I suppose "flooded by illegals" depends on your definition. But the immigration problem is GROSSLY overexaggerated, with illegals being used as scapegoats for nanny-statism. There wouldn't be a flood of illegals if:
1. We disincentivized it by rolling back welfare state policies and
2. We made the process for legal immigration more practicable.

And when you talk about "our schools and hospitals", may I remind you that the libertarian thing is to fully privatize such institutions, allowing them to accept or reject whomever they will? I agree that we shouldn't be footing the bill for the education of illegal immigrants... so why don't we allow for greater school choice through things like education tax credits (like those advocated by the Cato Institute) rather than bitching about them thar illegals?

You also mention "our wages" but the thing is, those wages aren't "American wages". They're the wages of the business offering them and employers should be allowed to provide them to whomever they choose to enter into contracts with.

I never claimed there weren't problems with illegal immigration, but this "kick 'em out, keep 'em out, and force American companies to cater to Americans only!" mentality is ignorant, impractical, and authoritarian. If you want government-ensured job security, move to Belgium.

EDIT:
And I just want to take issue with the fact that you consistently use "us" and "our" throughout your little diatribe. There is no "us" in this. Your interests and mine obviously don't coincide... which is why the government should stay out of it and we should be free to pursue our own, separate, moral self-interest.

Arguing with you would be of little consequence. You are arguing a higher ideal that doesn' exist in the environment which you find yourself. You can't reason with that. You are waxing poetic on many issues, but these issues are not in a vacuum, you are.

You are a pacifist in the middle of a war trying to advocate a peaceful solution.

Bosses CAN'T set their wages.
WE DO offer FREE healthcare and schooling.
WE DO advocate anchor babies.
WE DO reward law breakers.
WE DO allow illegals to use fake socials to get jobs.
We do make the taxpayer foot the bills for open border policies.
We do allow unions to bury businesses..

The list goes on and on and on.... and because these things are reality, and you are basing your decisions on a non-reality, then we can conclude - your advocacy is a fool's gambit.

Make your '32nd' post memorable.

Tatsit
01-09-2009, 07:01 PM
Wow, so you're real bright, huh? For one, I don't live at my parents' house. I'm not married, so you're right there, and I suppose "flooded by illegals" depends on your definition. But the immigration problem is GROSSLY overexaggerated, with illegals being used as scapegoats for nanny-statism. There wouldn't be a flood of illegals if:
1. We disincentivized it by rolling back welfare state policies and
2. We made the process for legal immigration more practicable.

And when you talk about "our schools and hospitals", may I remind you that the libertarian thing is to fully privatize such institutions, allowing them to accept or reject whomever they will? I agree that we shouldn't be footing the bill for the education of illegal immigrants... so why don't we allow for greater school choice through things like education tax credits (like those advocated by the Cato Institute) rather than bitching about them thar illegals?

You also mention "our wages" but the thing is, those wages aren't "American wages". They're the wages of the business offering them and employers should be allowed to provide them to whomever they choose to enter into contracts with.

I never claimed there weren't problems with illegal immigration, but this "kick 'em out, keep 'em out, and force American companies to cater to Americans only!" mentality is ignorant, impractical, and authoritarian. If you want government-ensured job security, move to Belgium.

EDIT:
And I just want to take issue with the fact that you consistently use "us" and "our" throughout your little diatribe. There is no "us" in this. Your interests and mine obviously don't coincide... which is why the government should stay out of it and we should be free to pursue our own, separate, moral self-interest.


First off, I and I am pretty sure most people here are against illegal immigration.
Yes, it does strain our hospitals and schools here are examples of each - and then some:

Hospitals: They come, they get hurt, or pregnant or whatever the case is, they have no medical insurance and because it is against the law for a hospital to turn down services. Hospitals have to raise prices to help cover the cost - health care skyrockets in price. Insurance premiums go way up - and they become picky about what they will support and do stupid scams like adding huge deductibles added on to already high premiums and then hardly cover crap. So we go from most people having decent health insurance to tons of people not having it. I canceled my insurance because it went from 60.00 a month for my family for 100% coverage minus 10.00 co-pay to 320 a paycheck plus a 1,000 deductible and only 80/20 coverage - and many restrictions.

Schools: The put their children in schools with out knowing English, the school has to hire people to can translate, the learning process slows down to a crawl, and extra programs have to be put in place to try and catch them up. It is a financial burden to the school districts with a high population of illegal immigration.

To further strain the city and state - most collect on our social programs such as welfare are other state assistance programs. And, don't get me started on identity theft, boarder houses, virtually taking over parts of cities and lowering land values and lets not forget to mention the dang taco stands all over the place how do they wash their hands?? (joking... well sorta)

Want to add jobs on to that? It is not that Americans refuse to to the jobs they fill, its that Americans refuse to do the jobs at the wages in which they are paid.

Just so you know before you label me as racist, I am not - I have friends who are Latino, and I just moved from a city that in just 5 years became 80% of the population were illegal immigrants. But at least my city is working on passing very strict laws to fight it - mirrored after Oklahoma.

I am not against raising the bar on letting more LEGAL immigration, but they need to respect OUR laws, learn OUR Language, respect OUR culture if they want us to respect theirs.

thasre
01-09-2009, 08:28 PM
I would continue to argue, but why bother. I've already said that I think illegal immigration is a problem, but I don't think police state totalitarianism and trade protectionism are appropriate or humane ways of solving it. And I think the problem is as much scapegoating as it is anything else. With trillion dollar wars NCLB and people wanting to nationalize the health care industry into a single payer system, I hardly think the problem with our system is "illegals". It's the legal citizens who are fucking our country over. (And don't feed me this bullshit about "OUR language" and "OUR culture"... as if we had one unified culture, or as if English were somehow inherently superior to any other language.)

But rather than continuing to argue, I'll just say:

Fuck it. I'd rather live in an entire city of dirty illegal Mexicans than in one with the likes of Tatsit and Lord Xar.

wizardwatson
01-09-2009, 08:45 PM
I had no idea Chuck was such a good writer!

http://www.itsourfreedom.com/forum/index.php?a=topic&t=147


"The boogieman checks his closet for Chuck Norris before going to bed"
"Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding."

Sorry couldn't help my self :P

The movie of the same name was much better than that rant.. who can forget ""tell Rostov it's time to die!" Well, I guess if you weren't 12 when you saw it, it's probably not that hard.

But seriously, he's like way behind the patriot movement and still needs a lot more education about economics and liberty. Seems like he's trying to build support for himself or something. I don't understand why these powerful people don't just reach out directly to the grass roots movements instead of soapboxing all the time. Anyone can soapbox, it's the friggin' internet!

Maybe I just expected more from a fellow Buddhist (or is that Seagal?).

:o

Maverick
01-09-2009, 08:51 PM
Don't worry LordXar, you should take solace in the fact that now that our economy is on the verge of total meltdown the illegals have decided they don't even want to be here anymore! Go us!

Knightskye
01-09-2009, 11:36 PM
Here's where the article came from:

http://townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNorris/2009/01/06/invasion_usa


He is a douchebag and wanted Huckleberry screw him

Watch this, please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs2sXsKZpmk#t=8m18s

ClockwiseSpark
01-09-2009, 11:49 PM
Watch this, please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs2sXsKZpmk#t=8m18s

He made those comments right after his new book came out. This interview was part of that book promotion tour.

Sure, he talks the talk now that it really doesn't matter. Sounds more like he wants me to buy his book and he assumes going on AJ and saying positive things about Ron Paul will get me to do it. No thanks.

Where's Bruce Lee when you need him.

Athan
01-10-2009, 12:49 AM
He is a douchebag and wanted Huckleberry screw him

NOT EVERYBODY CAN BE AS AWESOME AS ME.

If Norris wants if he wants in da Revolution, let him.