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itsthepathocrats
12-30-2008, 12:53 PM
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Transcript of speech follows...

The Ultimate Revolution

March 20, 1962
Berkeley Language Center - Speech Archive SA 0269

Moderator:

{garbled}Aldous Huxley, a renowned Essayist and Novelist who during the spring
semester is residing at the university in his capacity of a Ford research professor. Mr
Huxley has recently returned from a conference at the Institute for the study of
Democratic Institutions in Santa Barbara where the discussion focused on the
development of new techniques by which to control and direct human behavior.
Traditionally it has been possible to suppress individual freedom through the application
of physical coercion through the appeal of ideologies through the manipulation of man's
physical and social environment and more recently through the techniques, the cruder
techniques of psychological conditioning. The Ultimate Revolution, about which Mr.
Huxley will speak today, concerns itself with the development of new behavioral
controls, which operate directly on the psycho-physiological organisms of man. That is
the capacity to replace external constraint by internal compulsions. As those of us who
are familiar with Mr. Huxley's works will know, this is a subject of which he has been
concerned for quite a period of time. Mr. Huxley will make a presentation of
approximately half an hour followed by some brief discussions and questions by the two
panelists sitting to my left, Mrs. Lillian {garbled} and Mr. John Post. Now Mr. Huxley

Huxley:

Thank You.

{Applause}

Uh, First of all, the, I'd like to say, that the conference at Santa Barbara was not directly
concerned with the control of the mind. That was a conference, there have been two of
them now, at the University of California Medical center in San Francisco, one this year
which I didn't attend, and one two years ago where there was a considerable discussion
on this subject. At Santa Barbara we were talking about technology in general and the
effects it's likely to have on society and the problems related to technological
transplanting of technology into underdeveloped countries.

Well now in regard to this problem of the ultimate revolution, this has been very well
summed up by the moderator. In the past we can say that all revolutions have essentially
aimed at changing the environment in order to change the individual. I mean there's been
the political revolution, the economic revolution, in the time of the reformation, the
religious revolution. All these aimed, not directly at the human being, but at his
surroundings. So that by modifying the surroundings you did achieve, did one remove
the effect of the human being.

Today we are faced, I think, with the approach of what may be called the ultimate
revolution, the final revolution, where man can act directly on the mind-body of his
fellows. Well needless to say some kind of direct action on human mind-bodies has been
going on since the beginning of time. But this has generally been of a violent nature. The
Techniques of terrorism have been known from time immemorial and people have
employed them with more or less ingenuity sometimes with the utmost cruelty,
sometimes with a good deal of skill acquired by a process of trial and error finding out
what the best ways of using torture, imprisonment, constraints of various kinds.

But, as, I think it was (sounds like Mettenicht) said many years ago, you can do
everything with {garbled} except sit on them. If you are going to control any population
for any length of time, you must have some measure of consent, it's exceedingly difficult
to see how pure terrorism can function indefinitely. It can function for a fairly long time,
but I think sooner or later you have to bring in an element of persuasion an element of
getting people to consent to what is happening to them.

It seems to me that the nature of the ultimate revolution with which we are now faced is
precisely this: That we are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which
will enable the controlling oligarchy who have always existed and presumably will
always exist to get people to love their servitude. This is the, it seems to me, the ultimate
in malevolent revolutions shall we say, and this is a problem which has interested me
many years and about which I wrote thirty years ago, a fable, Brave New World, which is
an account of society making use of all the devices available and some of the devices
which I imagined to be possible making use of them in order to, first of all, to standardize
the population, to iron out inconvenient human differences, to create, to say, mass
produced models of human beings arranged in some sort of scientific caste system. Since
then, I have continued to be extremely interested in this problem and I have noticed with
increasing dismay a number of the predictions which were purely fantastic when I made
them thirty years ago have come true or seem in process of coming true.

A number of techniques about which I talked seem to be here already. And there seems
to be a general movement in the direction of this kind of ultimate revolution, a method of
control by which a people can be made to enjoy a state of affairs by which any decent
standard they ought not to enjoy. This, the enjoyment of servitude, Well this process is,
as I say, has gone on for over the years, and I have become more and more interested in
what is happening.

And here I would like briefly to compare the parable of Brave New World with another
parable which was put forth more recently in George Orwell's book, Nineteen Eighty-
Four. Orwell wrote his book between, I think between 45 and 48 at the time when the
Stalinist terror regime was still in Full swing and just after the collapse of the Hitlerian
terror regime. And his book which I admire greatly, it's a book of very great talent and
extraordinary ingenuity, shows, so to say, a projection into the future of the immediate
past, of what for him was the immediate past, and the immediate present, it was a
projection into the future of a society where control was exercised wholly by terrorism
and violent attacks upon the mind-body of individuals.



Whereas my own book which was written in 1932 when there was only a mild
dictatorship in the form of Mussolini in existence, was not overshadowed by the idea of
terrorism, and I was therefore free in a way in which Orwell was not free, to think about
these other methods of control, these non-violent methods and my, I'm inclined to think
that the scientific dictatorships of the future, and I think there are going to be scientific
dictatorships in many parts of the world, will be probably a good deal nearer to the brave
new world pattern than to the 1984 pattern, they will a good deal nearer not because of
any humanitarian qualms of the scientific dictators but simply because the BNW pattern
is probably a good deal more efficient than the other.

That if you can get people to consent to the state of affairs in which they're living. The
state of servitude the state of being, having their differences ironed out, and being made
amenable to mass production methods on the social level, if you can do this, then you
have, you are likely, to have a much more stable and lasting society. Much more easily
controllable society than you would if you were relying wholly on clubs and firing squads
and concentration camps. So that my own feeling is that the 1984 picture was tinged of
course by the immediate past and present in which Orwell was living, but the past and
present of those years does not reflect, I feel, the likely trend of what is going to happen,
needless to say we shall never get rid of terrorism, it will always find its way to the
surface.

But I think that insofar as dictators become more and more scientific, more and more
concerned with the technically perfect, perfectly running society, they will be more and
more interested in the kind of techniques which I imagined and described from existing
realities in BNW. So that, it seems to me then, that this ultimate revolution is not really
very far away, that we, already a number of techniques for bringing about this kind of
control are here, and it remains to be seen when and where and by whom they will first
be applied in any large scale.

And first let me talk about the, a little bit about the, improvement in the techniques of
terrorism. I think there have been improvements. Pavlov after all made some extremely
profound observations both on animals and on human beings. And he found among other
things that conditioning techniques applied to animals or humans in a state either of
psychological or physical stress sank in so to say, very deeply into the mind-body of the
creature, and were extremely difficult to get rid of. That they seemed to be embedded
more deeply than other forms of conditioning.

And this of course, this fact was discovered empirically in the past. People did make use
of many of these techniques, but the difference between the old empirical intuitive
methods and our own methods is the difference between the, a sort of, hit and miss
craftsman's point of view and the genuinely scientific point of view. I think there is a
real difference between ourselves and say the inquisitors of the 16th century. We know
much more precisely what we are doing, than they knew and we can extend because of
our theoretical knowledge, we can extend what we are doing over a wider area with a
greater assurance of being producing something that really works.

In this context I would like to mention the extremely interesting chapters in Dr. William
(sounds like Seargent's) Battle for the Mind where he points out how intuitively some of
the great religious teachers/leaders of the past hit on the Pavlovian method, he speaks
specifically of Wesley's method of producing conversions which were essentially based
on the technique of heightening psychological stress to the limit by talking about hellfire
and so making people extremely vulnerable to suggestion and then suddenly releasing
this stress by offering hopes of heaven and this is a very interesting chapter of showing
how completely on purely intuitive and empirical grounds a skilled natural psychologist,
as Wesley was, could discover these Pavlovian methods.

Well, as I say, we now know the reason why these techniques worked and there's no
doubt at all that we can if we wanted to, carry them much further than was possible in the
past. And of course in the history of, recent history of brainwashing, both as applied to
prisoners of war and to the lower personnel within the communist party in China, we see
that the pavlovian methods have been applied systematically and with evidently with
extraordinary efficacy. I think there can be no doubt that by the application of these
methods a very large army of totally devoted people has been created. The conditioning
has been driven in, so to say, by a kind of psychological iontophoresis into the very
depths of the people's being, and has got so deep that it's very difficult to ever be rooted
out, and these methods, I think, are a real refinement on the older methods of terror
because they combine methods of terror with methods of acceptance that the person who
is subjected to a form of terroristic stress but for the purpose of inducing a kind of
voluntary quotes acceptance of the state the psychological state in which he has been
driven and the state of affairs in which he finds himself.

So there is, as I say, there has been a definite improvement in the, even in the techniques
of terrorism. But then we come to the consideration of other techniques, non-terroristic
techniques, for inducing consent and inducing people to love their servitude. Here, I
don't think I can possibly go into all of them, because I don't know all of them, but I
mean I can mention the more obvious methods, which can now be used and are based on
recent scientific findings. First of all there are the methods connected with straight
suggestion and hypnosis.


I think we know much more about this subject than was known in the past. People of
course, always have known about suggestion, and although they didn't know the word
'hypnosis' they certainly practiced it in various ways. But we have, I think, a much
greater knowledge of the subject than in the past, and we can make use of our knowledge
in ways, which I think the past was never able to make use of it. For example, one of the
things we now know for certain, that there is of course an enormous, I mean this has
always been known a very great difference between individuals in regard to their
suggestibility. But we now know pretty clearly the sort of statistical structure of a
population in regard to its suggestibility. Its very interesting when you look at the
findings of different fields, I mean the field of hypnosis, the field of administering
placebos, for example, in the field of general suggestion in states of drowsiness or light
sleep you will find the same sorts of orders of magnitude continually cropping up.

You'll find for example that the experienced hypnotist will tell one that the number of
people, the percentage of people who can be hypnotized with the utmost facility (snaps),
just like that. is about 20%, and about a corresponding number at the other end of the
scale are very, very difficult or almost impossible to hypnotize. But in between lies a
large mass of people who can with more or less difficulty be hypnotized, that they can
gradually be if you work hard enough at it be got into the hypnotic state, and in the same
way the same sort of figures crop up again, for example in relation to the administration
of placebos.

A big experiment was carried out three of four years ago in the general hospital in Boston
on post-operative cases where several hundred men and woman suffering comparable
kinds of pain after serious operations were allowed to, were given injections whenever
they asked for them whenever the pain got bad, and the injections were 50% of the time
were of morphine, and 50% of water. And about twenty percent of those who went
through the experiment, about 20% of them got just as much relief from the distilled
waters as from the morphea. About 20% got no relief from the distilled water, and in-
between were those who got some relief or got relief occasionally.

So yet again, we see the same sort of distribution, and similarly in regard to what in
BNW I called Hypnopedia, the sleep teaching, I was talking not long ago to a man who
manufactures records which people can listen to in the, during the light part of sleep, I
mean these are records for getting rich, for sexual satisfaction (crowd laughs), for
confidence in salesmanship and so on, and he said that its very interesting that these are
records sold on a money-back basis, and he says there is regularly between 15% and 20%
of people who write indignantly saying the records don't work at all, and he sends the
money back at once. There are on the other hand, there are over 20% who write
enthusiastically saying they are much richer, their sexual life is much better (laughter)
etc, etc. And these of course are the dream clients and they buy more of these records.
And in between there are those who don't get much results and they have to have letters
written to them saying "Go persist my dear, go on" (laughter) and you will get there, and
they generally do get results in the long run.

Well, as I say, on the basis of this, I think we see quite clearly that the human populations
can be categorized according to their suggestibility fairly clearly,. I suspect very strongly
that this twenty percent is the same in all these cases, and I suspect also that it would not
be at all difficult to recognize and {garbled} out who are those who are extremely
suggestible and who are those extremely unsuggestible and who are those who occupy
the intermediate space. Quite clearly, if everybody were extremely unsuggestible
organized society would be quite impossible, and if everybody were extremely
suggestible then a dictatorship would be absolutely inevitable. I mean it's very fortunate
that we have people who are moderately suggestible in the majority and who therefore
preserve us from dictatorship but do permit organized society to be formed. But, once
given the fact that there are these 20% of highly suggestible people, it becomes quite
clear that this is a matter of enormous political importance, for example, any demagogue
who is able to get hold of a large number of these 20% of suggestible people and to
organize them is really in a position to overthrow any government in any country. (continued in next post)

itsthepathocrats
12-30-2008, 12:55 PM
(continued from previous post)

And I mean, I think this after all, we had the most incredible example in recent years by
what can be done by efficient methods of suggestion and persuasion in the form of Hitler.
Anyone who has read, for example, (Sounds like Bulloch's) Life of Hitler, comes forth
with this horrified admiration for this infernal genius, who really understood human
weaknesses I think almost better than anybody and who exploited them with all the
resources then available. I mean he knew everything, for example, he knew intuitively
this pavlovian truth that condition installed in a state of stress or fatigue goes much
deeper than conditioning installed at other times. This of course is why all his big
speeches were organized at night. He speaks quite frankly, of course, in Mein Kampf,
this is done solely because people are tired at night and therefore much less capable of
resisting persuasion than they would be during the day. And in all his techniques he was
using, he had discovered intuitively and by trial and error a great many of the
weaknesses, which we now know about on a sort of scientific way I think much more
clearly than he did.

But the fact remains that this differential of suggestibility this susceptibility to hypnosis I
do think is something which has to be considered very carefully in relation to any kind of
thought about democratic government . If there are 20% of the people who really can be
suggested into believing almost anything, then we have to take extremely careful steps
into prevent the rise of demagogues who will drive them on into extreme positions then
organize them into very, very dangerous armies, private armies which may overthrow the
government.

This is, I say, in this field of pure persuasion, I think we do know much more than we did
in the past, and obviously we now have mechanisms for multiplying the demagogues
voice and image in a quite hallucinatory way, I mean, the TV and radio, Hitler was
making enormous use of the radio, he could speak to millions of people simultaneously.
This alone creates an enormous gulf between the modern and the ancient demagogue.
The ancient demagogue could only appeal to as many people as his voice could reach by
yelling at his utmost, but the modern demagogue could touch literally millions at a time,
and of course by the multiplication of his image he can produce this kind of hallucinatory
effect which is of enormous hypnotic and suggestive importance.

But then there are the various other methods one can think of which, thank heaven, as yet
have not be used, but which obviously could be used. There is for example, the
pharmacological method, this is one of the things I talked about in BNW. I invented a
hypothetical drug called SOMA, which of course could not exist as it stood there because
it was simultaneously a stimulant, a narcotic, and a hallucinogen, which seems unlikely in
one substance. But the point is, if you applied several different substances you could get
almost all these results even now, and the really interesting things about the new
chemical substances, the new mind-changing drugs is this, if you looking back into
history its clear that man has always had a hankering after mind changing chemicals, he
has always desired to take holidays from himself, but the, and, this is the most
extraordinary effect of all that every natural occurring narcotic stimulant, sedative, or
hallucinogen, was discovered before the dawn of history, I don't think there is one single
one of these naturally occurring ones which modern science has discovered.

Modern science has of course better ways of extracting the active principals of these
drugs and of course has discovered numerous ways of synthesizing new substances of
extreme power, but the actual discovery of these naturally occurring things was made by
primitive man goodness knows how many centuries ago. There is for example, in the
underneath the, lake dwellings of the early Neolithic that have been dug up in
Switzerland we have found poppy-heads, which looks as though people were already
using this most ancient and powerful and dangerous of narcotics, even before the days of
the rise of agriculture. So that man was apparently a dope-bag addict before he was a
farmer, which is a very curious comment on human nature.

But, the difference, as I say, between the ancient mind-changers, the traditional mind-
changers, and the new substances is that they were extremely harmful and the new ones
are not. I mean even the permissible mind-changer alcohol is not entirely harmless, as
people may have noticed, and I mean the other ones, the non-permissible ones, such as
opium and cocaine, opium and its derivatives, are very harmful indeed. They rapidly
produce addiction, and in some cases lead at an extraordinary rate to physical
degeneration and death.

Whereas these new substances, this is really very extraordinary, that a number of these
new mind-changing substances can produce enormous revolutions within the mental side
of our being, and yet do almost nothing to the physiological side. You can have an
enormous revolution, for example, with LSD-25 or with the newly synthesized drug
psilocybin, which is the active principal of the Mexican sacred mushroom. You can have
this enormous mental revolution with no more physiological revolution than you would
get from drinking two cocktails. And this is a really most extraordinary effect.

And it is of course true that pharmacologists are producing a great many new wonder
drugs where the cure is almost worse than the disease. Every year the new edition of
medical textbooks contains a longer and longer chapter of what are Iatrogenic diseases,
that is to say diseases caused by doctors (laughter} And this is quite true, many of the
wonder drugs are extremely dangerous. I mean they can produce extraordinary effects,
and in critical conditions they should certainly be used, but they should be used with the
utmost caution. But there is evidently a whole class of drugs effecting the CNS which
can produce enormous changes in sedation in euphoria in energizing the whole mental
process without doing any perceptible harm to the human body, and this presents to me
the most extraordinary revolution. In the hands of a dictator these substances in one kind
or the other could be used with, first of all, complete harmlessness, and the result would
be, you can imagine a euphoric that would make people thoroughly happy even in the
most abominable circumstances.


I mean these things are possible. This is the extraordinary thing, I mean after all this is
even true with the crude old drugs. I mean, a housemate years ago remarked after
reading Milton's Paradise Lost, He Says "And beer does more than Milton can to justify
God's ways to man" (laughter). And beer is of course, an extremely crude drug
compared to these ones. And you can certainly say that some of the psychic energizers
and the new hallucinants could do incomparably more than Milton and all the
Theologicians combined could possibly do to make the terrifying mystery of our
existence seem more tolerable than it does. And here I think one has an enormous area in
which the ultimate revolution could function very well indeed, an area in which a great
deal of control could be used by not through terror, but by making life seem much more
enjoyable than it normally does. Enjoyable to the point, where as I said before, Human
beings come to love a state of things by which any reasonable and decent human standard
they ought not to love and this I think is perfectly possible.

But then, very briefly, let me speak about one of the more recent developments in the
sphere of neurology, about the implantation of electrodes in the brain. This of course has
been done in the large scale in animals and in a few cases its been done in the cases of the
hopelessly insane. And anybody who has watched the behavior of rats with electrodes
placed in different centers must come away from this experience with the most
extraordinary doubts about what on Earth is in store for us if this is got a hold of by a
dictator. I saw not long ago some rats in the {garbled} laboratory at UCLA there were
two sets of them, one with electrodes planted in the pleasure center, and the technique
was they had a bar which they pressed which turned on a very small current for a short
space of time which we had a wire connected with that electrode and which stimulated
the pleasure center and was evidently absolutely ecstatic was these rats were pressing the
bar 18,000 times a day (laughter). Apparently if you kept them from pressing the bar for
a day, they'd press it 36,000 times on the following day and would until they fell down in
complete exhaustion (laughter) And they would neither eat, nor be interested in the
opposite sex but would just go on pressing this bar {pounds on podium}

Then the most extraordinary rats were those were the electrode was planted halfway
between the pleasure and the pain center. The result was a kind of mixture of the most
wonderful ecstasy and like being on the rack at the same time. And you would see the
rats sort of looking at is bar and sort of saying "To be or not to be that is the question".
(Laughter) Finally it would approach {Pounds on podium} and go back with this awful I
mean, the (sounds like franken huminizer anthropomorphizer), and he would wait some
time before pressing the bar again, yet he would always press it again. This was the
extraordinary thing.

I noticed in the most recent issue of Scientific American there's a very interesting article
on electrodes in the brains of chickens, where the technique is very ingenious, where you
sink into their brains a little socket with a screw on it and the electrode can then be
screwed deeper and deeper into the brainstem and you can test at any moment according
to the depth, which goes at fractions of the mm, what you're stimulating and these
creatures are not merely stimulated by wire, they're fitted with a miniature radio receiver
which weighs less than an ounce which is attached to them so that they can be
communicated with at a distance, I mean they can run about in the barnyard and you
could press a button and this particular area of the brain to which the electrode has been
screwed down to would be stimulated. You would get this fantastic phenomena, where a
sleeping chicken would jump up and run about, or an active chicken would suddenly sit
down and go to sleep, or a hen would sit down and act like she's hatching out an egg, or a
fighting rooster would go into depression.

The whole picture of the absolute control of the drives is terrifying, and in the few cases
in which this has been done with very sick human beings, The effects are evidently very
remarkable too, I was talking last summer in England to Grey Walter, who is the most
eminent exponent of the EEG technique in England, and he was telling me that he's seen
hopeless inmates at asylums with these things in their heads, and these people were
suffering from uncontrollable depression, and they had these electrodes inserted into the
pleasure center in their brain, however when they felt too bad, they just pressed a button
on the battery in their pocket and he said the results were fantastic, the mouth pointing
down would suddenly turn up and they'd feel very cheerful and happy. So there again
one sees the most extraordinary revolutionary techniques, which are now available to us.

Now, I think what is obviously perfectly clear is that for the present these techniques are
not being used except in an experimental way, but I think it is important for us to realize
what is happening to make ourselves acquainted with what has already happened, and
then use a certain amount of imagination to extrapolate into the future the sort of things
that might happen. What might happen if these fantastically powerful techniques were
used by unscrupulous people in authority, what on Earth would happen, what sort of
society would we get?

And I think it is peculiarly important because as one sees when looking back over history
we have allowed in the past all those advances in technology which has profoundly
changed our social and individual life to take us by surprise, I mean it seems to me that it
was during the late 18 century early 19th century when the new machines were making
possible the factory situation. It was not beyond the wit of man to see what was
happening and project into the future and maybe forestall the really dreadful
consequences which plagued England and most of western Europe and this country for
sixty or seventy years, and the horrible abuses of the factory system and if a certain
amount of forethought had been devoted to the problem at that time and if people had
first of all found out what was happening and then used their imagination to see what
might happen, and then had gone on to work out the means by which the worst
applications of the techniques would not take place, well then I think western humanity
might have been spared about three generations of utter misery which had been imposed
on the poor at that time.

And the same way with various technological advances now, I mean we need to think
about the problems with automation and more profoundly the problems, which may arise
with these new techniques, which may contribute to this ultimate revolution. Our
business is to be aware of what is happening, and then to use our imagination to see what
might happen, how this might be abused, and then if possible to see that the enormous
powers which we now possess thanks to these scientific and technological advances to be
used for the benefit of human beings and not for their degradation.

Thank You

{Applause}

BenIsForRon
12-31-2008, 01:02 AM
I normally don't like your posts, but this one is very insightful. I'm actually about to finish reading Brave New World tonight.

Ex Post Facto
12-31-2008, 02:07 AM
We all need to learn hypnosis and recruit people to the cause for liberty :p

itsthepathocrats
12-31-2008, 01:02 PM
I normally don't like your posts, but this one is very insightful. I'm actually about to finish reading Brave New World tonight.
I don't really like my posts either, as the information that I deliver
here is typically repugnant in the mind of most. I accept that I am the
messenger of distasteful and disgusting thought perpetrated by others, like
Huxley. But I have come to the conclusion that if mass society is going to break
free from this scientific dictatorship, individuals must first be able to see and
understand the dictatorship, as ugly as it might be. I think that once the masses
see ourselves and society for what we are, we will walk away from it and create
something better... something more aligned with our natural and intrinsic humanity/

raiha
12-31-2008, 05:27 PM
itsthepathocrats



I don't really like my posts either
:D

He took a fair amount of acid did Aldous. Doors of Perception Heaven and Hell was a great read in the Seventies. He already had a fantastic mind before he expanded it even further!

BenIsForRon
12-31-2008, 05:28 PM
distasteful and disgusting thought perpetrated by others, like
Huxley.

I hope you realize that Huxley isn't endorsing these practices; he's warning against them.

And the stuff he's saying about LSD is a little off base, because he said it when the drug was still legal. Once the FBI and CIA realized that they couldn't control people with the drug, it became illegal.

itsthepathocrats
12-31-2008, 07:14 PM
I hope you realize that Huxley isn't endorsing these practices; he's warning against them.
Did you actually listen to the audio of the speech and the Q&A? I can't see someone agreeing with you after listening.

Also, perhaps you should checkout Thomas Huxley, the grandfather, and Julian Huxley, the brother. Not nice people. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley) on the brother...

"Sir Julian Sorell Huxley FRS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_of_the_Royal_Society) (22 June (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_22) 1887 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1887)–14 February (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_14) 1975 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975)) was an English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) evolutionary biologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_biologist), humanist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanist_%28life_stance%29) and internationalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalism_%28politics%29). He was a proponent of natural selection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection), and a leading figure in the mid-twentieth century evolutionary synthesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_synthesis). He was Secretary of the Zoological Society of London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoological_Society_of_London) (1935-1942), the first Director of UNESCO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNESCO), and a founding member of the World Wildlife Fund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wildlife_Fund)."

You understand the purpose of evolution and natural selection, don't you? How about UNESCO and WWF?

These aren't what I'd call philosophies and organizations for-and-on-behalf-of-the-people.

BenIsForRon
12-31-2008, 07:35 PM
I read the transcript, I also finished reading BNW last night. I think you need to re-listen or reread the transcript.

Huxley is clearly explaining what he thinks the elites will try on populations as time goes on, and he was right in many cases. He is not saying that mind control is something we should do.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No wonder you're so off base in many of your threads.

itsthepathocrats
12-31-2008, 07:54 PM
I read the transcript, I also finished reading BNW last night. I think you need to re-listen or reread the transcript.

Huxley is clearly explaining what he thinks the elites will try on populations as time goes on, and he was right in many cases. He is not saying that mind control is something we should do.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No wonder you're so off base in many of your threads.
It's totally cool to disagree with my point of view, that's the Libertarian model and one that I strongly endorse. However, to take it a step further with a personal attack is outside the bounds of independent thought and action that does not hurt others, now you are purposely going out of your way to hurt another, and that is totally not cool.... and is childish behavior that won't be tolerated.

For those who may wish to further research Aldous and the Huxley family, I suggest simply looking into their backgrounds, who they worked with, what organizations they ran, and what philosophies they espoused. You'll see quite an interest in eugenics throughout their histories, whether it be with Nazi scientists or others.

Good luck in your independent research.

BenIsForRon
01-02-2009, 12:58 AM
Ok, I agree people in Huxley's family had some fucked up views, he may have had some as well. But if you read his works, especially his later work, he had no agenda other than to talk about beauty and give social commentary.

What I don't like about you is that some impressionable people might see your posts then dismiss the work of Huxley. This would be terrible in my opinion, as he is one of the greatest writers of the past century.

Hopefully this will be the last thing I have to say to you, but I really think you have an actual problem interpreting information that you read or see. I'm not being mean, I just get frustrated because all your threads are tangentially linked to topics I'm interested in, but when I go into the thread you've taken the topic into some far out region where no rational discussion is taking place. I know you're not going to take my recommendation, but please take a step back and maybe question your own thoughts and reread stuff before you make a thread talking about how Frank Zappa wanted one world government.

StudentForPaul08
01-02-2009, 08:40 AM
I normally don't like your posts, but this one is very insightful. I'm actually about to finish reading Brave New World tonight.

I just got it the other day. After I am done reading about the American revolution I am on to that book.

ronpaulbillboards
01-02-2009, 12:18 PM
Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (1980)

http://justgetthere.us/blog/archives/Aldous-Huxleys-Brave-New-World-1980.html

What I think is also weird is that there is even a drug now called SOMA which produces the same effect as in the movie. He was very aware of the plan of the NWO, whether he was a whistle blower or a complicit member.

lucius
01-02-2009, 12:46 PM
Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (1980)

http://justgetthere.us/blog/archives/Aldous-Huxleys-Brave-New-World-1980.html

What I think is also weird is that there is even a drug now called SOMA which produces the same effect as in the movie. He was very aware of the plan of the NWO, whether he was a whistle blower or a complicit member.

agree, like orwell, wells, russell, all pleasurizing parts of the plan.

itsthepathocrats
01-02-2009, 12:55 PM
Ok, I agree people in Huxley's family had some fucked up views, he may have had some as well. But if you read his works, especially his later work, he had no agenda other than to talk about beauty and give social commentary.
Why should anyone assume Huxley had no agenda, or that his agenda was benevolent?

In any event, I choose to let others read both our postings, read his work, study his background, and make up their own mind.


What I don't like about you is that some impressionable people might see your posts then dismiss the work of Huxley. This would be terrible in my opinion, as he is one of the greatest writers of the past century.
I prefer to believe that people are still in control of their own minds and can evaluate the information and can make reasonable choices, assuming they have all the information.

My libertarian framework tells me that I can say whatever I want, as long as I don't hurt anyone, and people can decide to read Huxley, not-read Huxley, and view him however they wish.


Hopefully this will be the last thing I have to say to you, but I really think you have an actual problem interpreting information that you read or see. I'm not being mean, I just get frustrated because all your threads are tangentially linked to topics I'm interested in, but when I go into the thread you've taken the topic into some far out region where no rational discussion is taking place. I know you're not going to take my recommendation, but please take a step back and maybe question your own thoughts and reread stuff before you make a thread talking about how Frank Zappa wanted one world government.
Discussion is good. You're free to disagree and add to the discussion.

My viewpoints are clearly underrepresented here, so I am not sure why you are so concerned that these underrepresented opinions will adversely affect forum readers. Further, if these views are so way-out, as you portray, then I would think that most readers will merely dismiss this point of view.

Is there really a need to attack me for my points of view, just because they are different than yours? We obviously have different backgrounds and experiences, is it any wonder we have different views? Do you want homogenization of views, is this what you prefer?

I prefer tolerance (which is one of the main tenants of libertarianism) of varied viewpoints.