Being Homeshooled Next Year, Got Any Tips?

[The_Orlonater]

I'm going to order that Mises home study course and I'm going to buy Economics in One Lesson and some other books will add one eventually. I'm also taking a foregin language course near my home.


Also a quick questions, are high school diploma's really needed for a good career?

[Zippyjuan]

Today a college degree is about the same as a high school degree was 20 year ago as far as getting a decent job. Unless you have connections with somebody you pretty much need one. And with the way things look right now- the more people looking for work, the better qualifications- including education- you will need to have a better shot at getting one of the available jobs.

What sort of career do you think you might want?

[UnReconstructed]

You need the paperwork. I have 12 years in Supply Chain Management but I can't get a job in that field because I don't have a degree. I left my employer 13 months ago and I still have not replaced that income. I just recently started working offshore on a drilling rig. I have a year left on my degree.

Going back to school when you're older with a full time job is not easy... get it out of the way before you have something like a house note or children.

[raystone]

Forget college, get a vocational degree, maybe something in ag

[The_Orlonater]

Today a college degree is about the same as a high school degree was 20 year ago as far as getting a decent job. Unless you have connections with somebody you pretty much need one. And with the way things look right now- the more people looking for work, the better qualifications- including education- you will need to have a better shot at getting one of the available jobs.

What sort of career do you think you might want?

I was thinking about becoming economist, but I have doubts in that. I heard being a nuclear engineer is cool and the their isn't enough of them. I'm also a pretty good bass player, so I can fight a job in an orchestra somewhere.

Those are the three in mind, do you need a high school diploma to get into college?

[Zippyjuan]

If you really want to be an economist, you will need at least a Master's degree to work in the field. I only have a Bachelor's degree with one semester of graduate study. Take some statistics and accounting along with it if you can. You definately need a lot of math. If you want to be a nuclear engineer but lack education, join the Navy and try to get into their nuclear program. Even with that you will need schooling but they will help you out with that. Orchestras won't pay much but you don't need any degree there. For the first time, a lot of colleges are starting to try to limit their enrollment so competition is getting tougher on getting in. You probably do need you high school diploma to get in. You may be able to get a GED and go to a community college and transfer in but you end up doing probably the same amount of work.

Go for what you want to do. Just be willing to do whatever necessary to get there. It will not always be easy but if it is what you are after, it will be worth it. Study hard and get good grades.

[The_Orlonater]

I would prefer being home schooled, but the degree thing is coming in the way.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I strongly recommend 2 books, both by Grace Llewellyn:

The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to quit school and get a real life and education

and

Guerrilla Learning: How to give your kids a real education with or without school.

If you can only get one of them, get the first one - it will help you more.

http://used.addall.com - to find low cost use copies.

and yes, homeschoolers / unschoolers have been accepted to places like Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Amherst. the first book has a chapter on it.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

I would prefer being home schooled, but the degree thing is coming in the way.

many homeschool links here:

http://gracellewellyn.com/links.htm


including:

Cafi Cohen's thorough Homeschool Teens and College site. (Cafi is a seasoned homeschooling mom--her son and daughter are now in their mid-20's--and the author of the excellent book And What About College: How Homeschooling Leads To Admissions To The Best Colleges and Universities, and of Homeschooling: The Teen Years, which is probably also excellent but I haven't read it yet.) Her site has great stuff you won't find elsewhere, like 23 homeschoolers' college admissions essays, specific information on some colleges' admission policies for homeschoolers, etc.

which looks to be for sale and taken over by advertisers - well, she has a harcopy book - see if you can find a copy.... and try the internet archives / way back machine for what was on that site...

-t

[The_Orlonater]

Thanks for the link.

Are these books long?

[tangent4ronpaul]

Long... hmmm... well the Teenage Liberation Handbook comes in at about 400 pages, but it's written for teenagers and most of it is by subject - so it's not really written to be read linearly or even completely. Like there is a chapter on science and how you can teach yourself science, learning resources, contacts, activities, finding mentors and so on. Some chapters are things everyone should read, toward the end are "case studies" - stores of people that have been and done. It's really a fun and quick read.

Guerrilla Learning is written more for parents and is more essay style and not as broken up, accessible or howto. It's just over 200 pages.

I have not seen the one specifically about colleges and homeschoolers.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

hay - lots of reviews of the first book plus 3 full chapters online - go here:

http://lowryhousepublishers.com/TeenageLiberationHandbook.htm

TOC:
http://lowryhousepublishers.com/TLH_TOC.htm

3 chapters:
http://lowryhousepublishers.com/tlh_excerpts.htm

-t

[Kludge]

If you haven't already, grab "Lies My Teacher Told Me". It's a fun and easy read with valuable education in history and sociology.

[lucius]

I'm going to order that Mises home study course and I'm going to buy Economics in One Lesson and some other books will add one eventually. I'm also taking a foregin language course near my home.


Also a quick questions, are high school diploma's really needed for a good career?

Good for you! Follow your bliss. Self-education is symbiotic with self-determination, which I feel is the acme of one's existence. :)

few thoughts to take with a grain of salt:

want to pay the bills and still have time for more self-education, look into dental hygienists. in some states it is still a two-year degree and one of the best bang-for-your-buck accreditation you may find.

want to learn about nuclear engineering and how to do it right, bite the bullet, join the navy and they might even throw in a formal degree.

for foreign languages, check out pimsleur--they're the best (i'm learning portuguese as we speak).

GED is ok, i strongly recommend you self-study and get one as quickly as possible.

don't worry and go with it, you got your whole life to figure it out...keep playing that bass, don't want to be just a left-brain slave.

[tonesforjonesbones]

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BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Christians called to abandon public education
Children's worldview determined by 14,000 hours in classrooms

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Posted: December 28, 2008
9:15 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Video showing students at a public school under siege


You've heard all about the disputes: "Silent Night" banned at the "holiday" program, artistic references to the Bible censored and faith-inclusive children's programs facing discrimination.

Now some people are fed up with public school treatment of Christianity and have launched a campaign calling for a rescue of kids from government education programs – a "Call to Dunkirk."

The name Dunkirk is famous for the hundreds of thousands of World War II allies saved in May 1940 when a flotilla of pleasure boats, fishing craft and others rescued the soldiers from the beaches near Dunkirk, France, where they were trapped by an advancing German army.

Author David J. Knowles, who wrote a book on the rescue that British Prime Minister Winston Churchill called a miracle, said volunteers including boat owners, fishermen – ordinary people instead of trained soldiers and sailors – crossed the English Channel to effect the rescue of about 340,000 people.

Now, officials with Exodus Mandate have launched their "Call to Dunkirk" to advocate a departure from public schools.

Several officials have created a YouTube video on their plan, and it is embedded here:







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BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Christians called to abandon public education
Children's worldview determined by 14,000 hours in classrooms

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Posted: December 28, 2008
9:15 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Video showing students at a public school under siege


You've heard all about the disputes: "Silent Night" banned at the "holiday" program, artistic references to the Bible censored and faith-inclusive children's programs facing discrimination.

Now some people are fed up with public school treatment of Christianity and have launched a campaign calling for a rescue of kids from government education programs – a "Call to Dunkirk."

The name Dunkirk is famous for the hundreds of thousands of World War II allies saved in May 1940 when a flotilla of pleasure boats, fishing craft and others rescued the soldiers from the beaches near Dunkirk, France, where they were trapped by an advancing German army.

Author David J. Knowles, who wrote a book on the rescue that British Prime Minister Winston Churchill called a miracle, said volunteers including boat owners, fishermen – ordinary people instead of trained soldiers and sailors – crossed the English Channel to effect the rescue of about 340,000 people.

Now, officials with Exodus Mandate have launched their "Call to Dunkirk" to advocate a departure from public schools.

Several officials have created a YouTube video on their plan, and it is embedded here:



Organization chief Chaplain E. Ray Moore, a retired military officer, said that at Dunkirk, "total disaster (was) averted by bold leadership and ordinary citizens answering the call."

But he said in America, three-quarters or more of the Christian children, "are trapped in the state-run public schools."

Bruce Shortt, the author of "The Harsh Truth about Public Schools," said, "culture is shaped by how we're educated."

"Why should we be surprised we're losing culturally and politically when we continue to offer up our children as living sacrifices to the Molech of government schools?" he said.

Get the book that exposes "The Harsh Truth About Public Schools" direct from WND's online store!

Voddie Baucham, Jr., author of "Family Driven Faith," noted children spend about 14,000 hours in public schools.

"Whoever controls those 14,000 hours controls our children's worldview," he said, citing Charles Francis Potter, a signer of the Humanist Manifesto. He wrote, "What can theistic Sunday school meeting for an hour once a week do to stem the tide of a five day program of humanist teaching?"

"The left knows that whoever controls the children owns the future. That's why so many '60s radicals like Bill Ayers went into education. Now they effectively control the government school system and its curriculum. But worse, we give them our children," Shortt said.

Moore said his plan is simple:

"That all families, churches, pastors, major Christian ministries and organizations, concentrate for one year on extracting Christian children from the pagan, godless public schools."

"State-run public schools have become destructive to our children's Christian faith. They no longer educate but rather indoctrinate. Not only morally corrupt, public schools are unsafe because of the violence and crime that occurs in them on a regular basis," the campaign says.

WND previously reported Moore's estimate based on statistics that 70 to 80 percent of Christian children "will abandon the church and their faith in a public school career."


*****RIGHTON ...'BOUT TIME. Tones

[pinkmandy]

Tangent gave you some great advice. I highly recommend the same books. This was something I looked into before homeschooling my kids.

No, hs degrees are NOT necessary for college. Instead, you need something besides transcripts, though so keep track of everything you do and put together a nice portfolio. Many colleges, even Ivy Leagues, have a staffer in admissions for homeschoolers. From the reading I've done, homeschool students are sought after. ;) I know several parents w/homeschooled kids in college right now. It really doesn't hold you back like it used to- probably because the numbers of homeschoolers in the country has grown substantially.

I also recommend reading The Well Trained Mind.

[heavenlyboy34]

Forget college, get a vocational degree, maybe something in ag

qft! Degrees are federally subsidized(student loans) now, and will be progressively devalued. :p Go out and get real world experience first. (JMHO)

[The_Orlonater]

Good for you! Follow your bliss. Self-education is symbiotic with self-determination, which I feel is the acme of one's existence. :)

few thoughts to take with a grain of salt:

want to pay the bills and still have time for more self-education, look into dental hygienists. in some states it is still a two-year degree and one of the best bang-for-your-buck accreditation you may find.

want to learn about nuclear engineering and how to do it right, bite the bullet, join the navy and they might even throw in a formal degree.

for foreign languages, check out pimsleur--they're the best (i'm learning portuguese as we speak).

GED is ok, i strongly recommend you self-study and get one as quickly as possible.

don't worry and go with it, you got your whole life to figure it out...keep playing that bass, don't want to be just a left-brain slave.

I won't join the navy due to political reasons.
I'm going to learn Arabic in the local mosque for a few hundred a year(not a bad deal)

Talk about this dental hygienist some more, this sounds interesting.
I might as well think about my future now. Might as well get a head start.
Thanks for the advice. :)

[The_Orlonater]

Good advice and stuff coming along nicely, thank you. :)

[emazur]

I strongly recommend 2 books, both by Grace Llewellyn:

The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to quit school and get a real life and education

and

Guerrilla Learning: How to give your kids a real education with or without school.

-t

My teenage years are over but looking back at what went wrong I felt the absolute worst thing was that I was put on a conveyor belt to college and never given (and therefore, never considered) the other options. I don't think my experience is unique, and recently I got to thinking that what the freedom movement needs is a handbook for young people to see what is wrong in the world and how they can take charge of their own lives and escape the bullshit. Maybe this is that handbook - I'll give it a read and see how it is. Thanks for sharing

[Rael]

I was home schooled and had no problem going to community college. they wanted a transcript and a diploma, my mom just printed that stuff up. I was homeschooling after age 13 but to be honest once I left public school I never did a bit of school work until I went into college. I was too busy learning and reading on my own so my mom gave up trying =P

"I've never let my school interfere with my education" Mark Twain

[yongrel]

The military is always a very good option. If you do well enough on the ASVAB, you can have your pick of careers. A perfect score of 99, or anywhere up there, opens all kinds of really cool doors to you. Nuclear engineers on submarines, intelligence officers, underwater welders, etc. Very cool stuff.

Unless you're prohibitively tall (:o), you can find all sorts of nifty jobs with the armed forces. A friend of mine is currently in training to be an Air Force dentist. In the military, it takes 3 years less to become a certified dentist than in the civilian world and you leave the military fully qualified and with years of practice as civies are leaving dental school.

Always something to consider.

[mediahasyou]

The military is always a very good option.

:eek:

[XNavyNuke]

I was thinking about becoming economist, but I have doubts in that. I heard being a nuclear engineer is cool and the their isn't enough of them. I'm also a pretty good bass player, so I can fight a job in an orchestra somewhere.

Those are the three in mind, do you need a high school diploma to get into college?

Teenage Liberation Handbook, and possibly Un-Jobbing.

We homeschool our kids. Oldest daughter moved out last summer. Three more to go.

If your serious about considering a career in the nuclear industry, I strongly suggest making use of the free handbooks available through the DOE. Download the pdf's, take them to Kinko (or equivalent) to have them printed double sided and bound.

Link- Online Approved DOE Technical Standards (http://www.hss.energy.gov/NuclearSafety/techstds/standard/standard.html)

These are the ones you want:
DOE-HDBK-1010-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Classical Physic
DOE-HDBK-1011/1-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Electrical Science, Volume 1 of 4
DOE-HDBK-1011/2-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Electrical Science, Volume 2 of 4
DOE-HDBK-1011/3-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Electrical Science, Volume 3 of 4
DOE-HDBK-1011/4-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Electrical Science, Volume 4 of 4
DOE-HDBK-1012/1-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Thermodynamics, Heat Transfer, and Fluid Flow, Volume 1 of 3
DOE-HDBK-1012/2-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Thermodynamics, Heat Transfer, and Fluid Flow, Volume 2 of 3
DOE-HDBK-1012/3-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Thermodynamics, Heat Transfer, and Fluid Flow, Volume 3 of 3
DOE-HDBK-1013/1-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Instrumentation and Control, Volume 1 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1013/2-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Instrumentation and Control, Volume 2 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1014/1-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Mathematics Volume 1 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1014/2-92 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Mathematics Volume 2 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1015/1-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Chemistry, Volume 1 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1015/2-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Chemistry, Volume 2 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1016/1-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Engineering Symbology, Prints, and Drawings, Volume 1 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1016/2-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Engineering Symbology, Prints, and Drawings, Volume 2 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1017/1-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Material Science, Volume 1 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1017/2-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Material Science, Volume 2 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1018/1-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Mechanical Science, Volume 1 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1018/2-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Mechanical Science, Volume 2 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1019/1-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Nuclear Physics and Reactor Theory, Volume 1 of 2
DOE-HDBK-1019/2-93 DOE Fundamentals Handbook, Nuclear Physics and Reactor Theory, Volume 2 of 2

These are roughly equal to the course work that a Nuc completes over a six month period. It does not include the classified stuff or the rate specific studies that he/she will also be learning at the same time.

Get hands-on mechanical/electrical experience. Consider becoming an unpaid intern. Build your network of professional contacts. I use LinkedIn to maintain mine.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me.

Good Luck!
XNN

[schiffstudent]

How old are you and why are you being home schooled?

[The_Orlonater]

How old are you and why are you being home schooled?

Because I dislike public education?

[SimpleName]

This is one topic that I don't think will ever cease to aggravate me. I feel as if I'm struggling to pull a ball and chain across the finish line to end this 13 year run in a miserable institution. I cannot see working through even one other year of schooling, especially not at a higher level. School so immorally rips away my time to learn the great things I'm battling to learn right now. Unfortunately, the realization that I have no chance at surviving a rigid mass of more classes for 2-6 more years has been my downfall. Things seem to be remarkable difficult on purpose. They seem to want you to suffer. A high school diploma is important to an enormously irritating extent. A GED is definitely a must. Hmm...I swear my posts become more and more like therapy sessions (with myself) than actual replies.

Anyway, for you...the Mises Home Study Course sounds scrumptious. If only I had the tax money back that went to my school, I could afford this course, which I desperately crave (especially due to my lack of organization in learning). They also offer a full online "classroom" I believe. Not sure of the specifics, but could be quite useful, although expensive. The Campaign for Liberty site has a great collection of different works you could look into as well. I personally have wanted to dive into something from Judge Napolitano (spelling?). Good luck! I hope everything works out.

[Fox McCloud]

if you want to become an economist, then I recommend you take a look at this: http://www.mises.org/classroom/gradschool.pdf

obviously, you'd want to learn Austrian economics...but, to say the least, that will be difficult, as there are few professors around that actually teach it...never-the-less, thought that would help you out.

and by the by, I think home-schooling is an excellent idea.

[tangent4ronpaul]

if you want to become an economist, then I recommend you take a look at this: http://www.mises.org/classroom/gradschool.pdf

obviously, you'd want to learn Austrian economics...but, to say the least, that will be difficult, as there are few professors around that actually teach it...never-the-less, thought that would help you out.

and by the by, I think home-schooling is an excellent idea.

Look at the Economics Dept at GWU

-t

[yongrel]

if you want to become an economist, then I recommend you take a look at this: http://www.mises.org/classroom/gradschool.pdf

obviously, you'd want to learn Austrian economics...but, to say the least, that will be difficult, as there are few professors around that actually teach it...never-the-less, thought that would help you out.

and by the by, I think home-schooling is an excellent idea.

Based on personal experience, I don't think it's necessary to go to school somewhere with an Austrian specialty. My school doesn't have many free marketeers, Austrian or otherwise, teaching classes, but I don't mind. Disagreeing with professors out loud and on paper has never hurt my grades, and I've learned more from dissent than I would from being preached to in the choir.

Besides, a pure Austrian education would likely leave students poorly able to cope in a neoclassical job market. Employers expect graduates to be versed in a certain sort of economic theory, after all.

Personally, I think it's better to go to a good school for economics, no matter the political orientation of the program, and teach yourself what you want to know on your own.

[yongrel]

Look at the Economics Dept at GWU

-t

George Mason, I think you mean.