New Immigration Poll

[DeadheadForPaul]

Yes, I'm an idiot for not including the poll on the first one - thanks for deleting

"One of the most contentious issues in both Right and Left intellectual circles is immigration.

Given that there are a wide range of opinions on this issue and considering its importance and effect on American society, I wanted to check out the opinions of members involved in the Campaign for Liberty"
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I put several options.
If you have a different solution, click OTHER and explain

I also allowed you to click multiple if you agreed with several or are unsure

[Agent CSL]

Anyone who can speak english, adhere to our constitution, understand our history and wish to make a solid living here should be more than welcome to come in and gain citizenship.

I have an issue with the illegal immigrants who come here, refusing to speak english, refusing to educate themselves to our standard, soaking up welfare meant for disabled citizens, and on top of that try to make communities like Mexico. If you want to make a mini Mexico here, just go back to Mexico.

Then there's the middle ground. People who illegally come here either as asylum or wishes to learn but cannot afford it. These people are aplenty but get lopped into the Evil Immigrant group. I have no problem with them, but that's a tough situation.

I don't believe in deporting innocent immigrants.

Strengthen the borders, but notsomuch as to make our security compound a tomb.

[Kludge]

Eliminate quotas, make fees as flexible as possible (consider additional taxes on wages). Eliminate welfare for all citizens who aren't natural born (with the ultimate goal being the complete elimination of welfare). National Guard protects the border. Decriminalize hiring illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are not to use any government services which can be easily prevented (schools, access to drivers licenses, property ownership, etc.). If reported to police and confirmed by proper authorities, they are to be taxed without benefits. However, illegals may turn themselves in at any time prior to being taxed without benefits without negative consequence (less being a citizen of the USA and having to pay taxes). Children born of illegal immigrants are NOT natural-born citizens and may not access welfare at any point in their life, though they are permitted citizenship if their fees are paid.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

Open borders with no welfare and no concessions made to non-english speakers

[cybloo]

I'm all for legal immigration and enforcing the law when it comes to illegal immigration. My piano professor is from Russia but immigrated to Israel (he now lives in the states full-time) and he was telling me how hard it was for him to get his papers, even though he was legit and had a steady job. He also complained about illegal immigrants and how it's like they're cutting in line. It was an interesting conversation - wish I could remember more.

[dannno]

The Mexican immigrants coming into the US are the fault of US Government actions, not the fault of the immigrants themselves.

The US forced the Mexican Government to change their Constitution when NAFTA was passed, and this action lead to near doubling of their poverty rates. The US Government is responsible. The Zapatistas rose up to fight the actions of the Mexican Government to change their constitution, but with the backing of the US Government, their violent revolution was quelled.

If our country is going to use military force to establish a dictatorship in a neighboring country, then we have to expect that they are going to try and move here, especially if we have a socialist state setup for them.

Anything else is asking others to go against natural human behavior, and I never expect large groups of people to go against natural human behavior.

[surf]

i believe in freedom. as such, i feel no government has the right to restrict my movement or where i reside.

[paulitics]

I'm for legal immigration, and against programs like the SPP designed to undermine national sovereignty. I welcome all immigrants as long as they respect the culture and language and attempt to assimilate. They have to want to be Americans and not just here for a job, and welfare money that they take back to their home country.

[ShannonOBrien]

Anyone can come into the country as long as they have no criminal record whatsoever.

[loudes13]

What about taxing the border?

Seriously, our crime/justice system has already become a fine/toll/tax collection machine.

[libertarian4321]

Anyone who can speak english, adhere to our constitution, understand our history and wish to make a solid living here should be more than welcome to come in and gain citizenship.

I have an issue with the illegal immigrants who come here, refusing to speak english, .

I don't think I've ever met an immigrant, legal or illegal who "refused to speak English".

I've met a lot who don't speak English very well- not because they "refuse", but simply because they have not learned the language well- just as you would probably not speak German well if you decided to move to Germany- its got nothing to do with "refusing"- you simply can't speak the language.

BTW, I know immigrants who came to this country speaking very little English who are now geologists, chemists, engineers, doctors, nurses, etc. Many of these well paid professionals STILL struggle with English- not because they "refuse", but because its hard for an adult to master a foreign language when he's working a full time job and trying to make a living.

[libertarian4321]

BTW, I think we should not only allow, but ENCOURAGE immigration of educated professionals- doctors, scientists, nurses, engineers, and the like- whether they speak English or not.

Bringing smart people into the USA is not a bad thing, folks.

[Lord Xar]

I don't think I've ever met an immigrant, legal or illegal who "refused to speak English".

I've met a lot who don't speak English very well- not because they "refuse", but simply because they have not learned the language well- just as you would probably not speak German well if you decided to move to Germany- its got nothing to do with "refusing"- you simply can't speak the language.

BTW, I know immigrants who came to this country speaking very little English who are now geologists, chemists, engineers, doctors, nurses, etc. Many of these well paid professionals STILL struggle with English- not because they "refuse", but because its hard for an adult to master a foreign language when he's working a full time job and trying to make a living.

Well, you are mincing interpretations here. WHEN someone is in the country for a few years and can't speak the language, that is "refusing". Anytime there is a conscious decision to NOT learn the language of a host country, you are infact refusing to learn it. You are playing with semantics here. I don't care if they are too busy, or have 10 kids to feed. Not doing is not an excuse.

Also, your stories of "I know so and so.." are irrelevant. You see how you use extremes to try and validate your points? Nobody said "master the language", learning the language is very different. When most of the buses in los angeles are adverstising in spanish, when you have to have translators in courts and hospitals and schools. That is disrespectful and shows a complete lack of respect. Try not to manipulate meanings to win an argument.

When you have 20+million people, their chain migration and offspring flooding over into our country. When you have record numbers of legal immigrants coming thru - you will have a complete disconnect from the history of the host country. Whether you want to believe it or not, there is a systematic plan to divest America's history from the minds of our new immigrants and our own children. Soon, taxes/nationalization/globalism etc.. will all be common place as we flood our streets with those who have no history, want or desire to truly be an american other than to get a paycheck because "they are hard working". Citizenship, imho, is a priveledge - not a right.

[mport1]

Country borders are a fiction and people should be able to move freely so long as individual property owners will allow it. Anything else is antithetical to freedom.

[pa1000]

severely limit the # of legal immigrants and better protect the border . stop accepting refugees altogether, they need to fix their own country. do people that want no borders honestly think the US could accept an unlimited number of people without quality of life going down? watch the immigration gumballs video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

[libertea]

do people that want no borders honestly think the US could accept an unlimited number of people without quality of life going down?

The quality of life is being driven down in Washington much more so than it could possibly be driven down in Laredo.

[RevolutionSD]

What you "closed borders" people don't understand is that you are advocating statism, more government, and a system where you are giving the monopoly of force to one group.

The simple solution is to end the welfare/warfare state. If we "restrict immigrants" by beefing up the border bureaucrats, we have done nothing to solve the problem- people will try to get in here as long as there is a basket of goodies waiting on the other side- and they will figure out ways to do this even if we build the great Wall of China at the border.