Has the rEVOLution just stepped it up a notch?

[Ex Post Facto]

You all know about the Greece riots I think, they are in their second week and now the Police are threatening to attack them in their campus (which, their laws forbid). I've been looking into this across many sources and have realized the news media isn't portraying their issues correctly. Their issues are the liberty and freedom movement issues. The groups happen to be anarchists and socialists that are fighting a "corrupt" government that doesn't listen to the needs of the people. Now I tell you the media is lying because an anarchist is nearly the opposite of a socialist, yet they are fighting the same cause of freedom. The media would have us believe they are all just crazy.

The media would also have you not notice this is spreading like a wildfire. Protests have been occurring across many countries, and America is now joining the ranks but nothing is being reported on. I wonder why they don't report on this, surely if I can gather this information while at work, they can certainly report on this.

http://news.infoshop.org/ For news related to Greece Riots

http://greeksolidaritymap.blogspot.com/ For Protest locations worldwide

[Conza88]

You all know about the Greece riots I think, they are in their second week and now the Police are threatening to attack them in their campus (which, their laws forbid). I've been looking into this across many sources and have realized the news media isn't portraying their issues correctly. Their issues are the liberty and freedom movement issues. The groups happen to be anarchists and socialists that are fighting a "corrupt" government that doesn't listen to the needs of the people. Now I tell you the media is lying because an anarchist is nearly the opposite of a socialist, yet they are fighting the same cause of freedom. The media would have us believe they are all just crazy.

The media would also have you not notice this is spreading like a wildfire. Protests have been occurring across many countries, and America is now joining the ranks but nothing is being reported on. I wonder why they don't report on this, surely if I can gather this information while at work, they can certainly report on this.

http://news.infoshop.org/ For news related to Greece Riots

http://greeksolidaritymap.blogspot.com/ For Protest locations worldwide

Those "anarchists" are in fact... traditional socialists, with misguided souls. Those people rioting in the street are in no way, real anarchists - i.e anarcho-capitalists.

Those people destroying private property and breaking the non aggression axiom.. ain't going to be reading Rothbard or Mises in their spare time I'll bet you that much.. ;)

But yeahhh, it's like the media and portrayal of Somalia... it doesn't matter that boats are already protecting themselves and arming themselves against pirates, hiring protection services etc...

NO we need the UN to come in now... and impose rule.. :rolleyes:

[fatjohn]

The 'revolution' not rEVOLution of Greece will probably spread across Eastern Europe. I've already heard about problems in Ukraine where the currency halved since 1 year ago.

[Ex Post Facto]

I guess the enemy of the enemy is my friend, then?

I don't agree with breaking peoples stuff. Certainly, I can think of many different passive methods to accomplish the same end without any violence. But what must someone do against an authority that will not listen to them?

[Andrew-Austin]

'Anarchist' has been vaguely used to define people who are inclined towards socialism and communism, who happen to hate the present state order and would overthrow it with violence (see black bloc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc#Modern_usage), or autonomism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomen#The_Marxist_Autonomist_theory)).

If these people formed an actual revolution and overthrew the government of Greece, they would end up replacing it with their own form of government. The leadership of this revolution would then likely become frustrated that they could not micromanage society into becoming their perfect Marxist utopia, and hence would become despotic. This European type of anarcho-communist/socialist, could not differentiate capitalism from corporatism if asked. The one good thing about them is that they are supposedly anti-globalist.

[Ex Post Facto]

The one good thing about them is that they are supposedly anti-globalist.

Yes, that is what I'm seeing in reports. They want their countries financial system to their own so that decisions aren't made on the EU scale. They want their own money to be used for their people, not for some far off central government pulling the purse strings. This is the most promising part, they are against consolidated power.

[smileylovesfreedom]

You all know about the Greece riots I think, they are in their second week and now the Police are threatening to attack them in their campus (which, their laws forbid). I've been looking into this across many sources and have realized the news media isn't portraying their issues correctly. Their issues are the liberty and freedom movement issues. The groups happen to be anarchists and socialists that are fighting a "corrupt" government that doesn't listen to the needs of the people. Now I tell you the media is lying because an anarchist is nearly the opposite of a socialist, yet they are fighting the same cause of freedom. The media would have us believe they are all just crazy.

The media would also have you not notice this is spreading like a wildfire. Protests have been occurring across many countries, and America is now joining the ranks but nothing is being reported on. I wonder why they don't report on this, surely if I can gather this information while at work, they can certainly report on this.

http://news.infoshop.org/ For news related to Greece Riots

http://greeksolidaritymap.blogspot.com/ For Protest locations worldwide

In my experience, the media has no clue what is going on - and at worse - is trying to cover up what is really going on.

[georgiapeach]

The media would also have you not notice this is spreading like a wildfire. Protests have been occurring across many countries, and America is now joining the ranks but nothing is being reported on. I wonder why they don't report on this, surely if I can gather this information while at work, they can certainly report on this.


By America joining the ranks, do you mean stuff like End the Fed and what the IVAW are doing, or is there more going on than I know about?

[mediahasyou]

Anarchists that use aggression are no better than the statists.

[Ex Post Facto]

Anarchists that use aggression are no better than the statists.

I seriously don't believe the news about what their groups stand for. Why would they state the following?


Some protesters claimed that Grigoropoulos' death was not an accident, saying "the government, the cops and the state are guilty" and calling Prime Minister Costa Karamanlis "a fascist" who "can't stop us."

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gYzCQnZxjFn6CC2VRc1B8NBL4XsQ

[torchbearer]

Anarchists that use aggression are no better than the statists.

I think this is a good reason why anarchy would not work.
For anarchy to work, everyone would have to voluntarily be peaceful and respectful.
As utopian as communism. And as realistic.

[Brian4Liberty]

I seriously don't believe the news about what their groups stand for.

The news is almost always wrong. They are never accurate about the stories they "report" on. They almost always report rumors translated through the authorities.

[Conza88]

I think this is a good reason why anarchy would not work.
For anarchy to work, everyone would have to voluntarily be peaceful and respectful.
As utopian as communism. And as realistic.

Yes, because "anarchists" to which these people refer themselves are traditional socialists.


15. How would anarcho-capitalism work? (http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part16)

In one sense, this is easy to answer. Since most people are familiar with capitalism, one could simply say, "Just like today's semi-capitalist societies, except with no coercive monopolies." As already noted, most services currently provided by State have been done voluntarily in the past, usually with better quality and service than the State. This is what you'd expect, since monopolies lack the usual competitive incentives to improve. The services that people have not seen provided privately, such as court, police, and defense against military invasion, require more explanation.

Imagine a society with no government. Individuals purchase law enforcement from private firms. Each such firm faces possible conflicts with other firms. Private policemen working for the enforcement agency that I employ may track down the burglar who stole my property only to discover, when they try to arrest him, that he too employs an enforcement agency.

There are three ways in which such conflicts might be dealt with. The most obvious and least likely is direct violence-a mini-war between my agency, attempting to arrest the burglar, and his agency attempting to defend him from arrest. A somewhat more plausible scenario is negotiation. Since warfare is expensive, agencies might include in the contracts they offer their customers a provision under which they are not obliged to defend customers against legitimate punishment for their actual crimes. When a conflict occurred, it would then be up to the two agencies to determine whether the accused customer of one would or would not be deemed guilty and turned over to the other.

A still more attractive and more likely solution is advance contracting between the agencies. Under this scenario, any two agencies that faced a significant probability of such clashes would agree on an arbitration agency to settle them-a private court. Implicit or explicit in their agreement would be the legal rules under which such disputes were to be settled.

Under these circumstances, both law enforcement and law are private goods produced on a private market. Law enforcement is produced by enforcement agencies and sold directly to their customers. Law is produced by arbitration agencies and sold to the enforcement agencies, who resell it to their customers as one characteristic of the bundle of services they provide."
- David Friedman, Law as a Private Good

[Ex Post Facto]

More details on Greece riots.

How they organized, Q&A (http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=2008crimethinc-insurrection)

http://thecloud.crimethinc.com/images/greece2/8b.jpg

[rational thinker]

Is it over yet?

[Ex Post Facto]

Not really they are still protesting, but they haven't lit stuff on fire recently. Apparently according to a video posted they hacked the police website and put profanities on it.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[rational thinker]

bump