What others are saying...It's surprisingly good.

[wgadget]

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=321391

[mesler]

It's a mixed bag. The usual detractors are there, more than ready to bash Paul and call him a liberal, etc.

[Lord Xar]

I am confused.. I also have heard this too.. that he is liberal! I am very confused as he seems WAY REMOVED FROM LIBERALISM.... I mean, MUCH less government spending.. end the welfare roles for illegals, close the the borders.. etc.. I don't get that lable.. is that just because of his anti-war stance..

[wgadget]

Think about it, Lord Xar.

How many times has anyone asked RP a question about anything other than Iraq?

That's why they're all ending up watching the Ron Paul @ Google video. (See "Hm, what's happening here" thread.)

Awesomeness.

:)

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Maybe some day the so-called "small-government conservatives" will wake up and realize our foreign policy is just one more big-government program

Our foreign policy can go on the list of failures of bureaucracy.

[Kuldebar]

Modern a day liberals and conservatives are split personalities that need to be joined back together.

Remember in the movie The Dark Crystal? There were 2 races at odds with each other, until the Crystal was restored?

Same way here, once the Constitution is restored, things will become whole. :)

[wgadget]

Very poetic, Kuldebar, but true.

[dspectre]

I am confused.. I also have heard this too.. that he is liberal! I am very confused as he seems WAY REMOVED FROM LIBERALISM.... I mean, MUCH less government spending.. end the welfare roles for illegals, close the the borders.. etc.. I don't get that lable.. is that just because of his anti-war stance..

This really annoys me too. I think it is mostly because of his anti-war stance.

They probably think that RP is extreme because he wants very small government compared to what they see. If you ask any of these people that think RP is a liberal, high probability they think that FDR was a good president. I think I heard Glen Beck say that FDR was a good president. I think some of us need to start calling these people socialists. Not because it is mean, but because it is true.

[Magsec]

Wow. I'm quite Conservative myself and I wouldn't dare think that Hillary was "stupid," yet these Hannity forumgoers seem to call RP "stupid" consistently. Not to say that I don't have contempt for Hillary...

[Lord Xar]

Modern a day liberals and conservatives are split personalities that need to be joined back together.

Remember in the movie The Dark Crystal? There were 2 races at odds with each other, until the Crystal was restored?

Same way here, once the Constitution is restored, things will become whole. :)

I liked that movie, and those little elfin puppets were HOTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

[Spirit of '76]

I am confused.. I also have heard this too.. that he is liberal! I am very confused as he seems WAY REMOVED FROM LIBERALISM.... I mean, MUCH less government spending.. end the welfare roles for illegals, close the the borders.. etc.. I don't get that lable.. is that just because of his anti-war stance..

They don't even know what the word means. They just hear Hannity use it to slander anyone he doesn't like, so they adopt his tactics.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Wow. I'm quite Conservative myself and I wouldn't dare think that Hillary was "stupid," yet these Hannity forumgoers seem to call RP "stupid" consistently. Not to say that I don't have contempt for Hillary...

Hillary isn't stupid. Shes a dishonest, power-hungry, fraud.

She lied about Iraq. No possible way she wasn't in on this from the start. She spent 8 years in the White House. Her husband is Bill Clinton. She knows better than anyone what is really going on... yet Bush was able to trick her into voting for Iraq? I don't think so.

I think the same is true for a lot of the politicians and media.

They have access to all the information. The people running the show HAVE to know whats going on. They know the propaganda is a lie.

[speciallyblend]

That Fredhead should be spanked,what an idiot.

[Ozwest]

Wow! I just had a look at the Hannity thread and expected carnage. The comments about Ron's performance on the O'Reilly Factor while mixed, are a lot more favorable than I anticipated. After all, this is neo-con country. Perhaps we Ron Paul supporters have been too negative about the interview. - This has cheered me up considerably.

[Corydoras]

I liked the one where the guy said with evident surprise that he was beginning to think there might be something to what Ron is saying.

[Benhogan]

Some of those "great americans" in that forum REALLY scare me!

[Kuldebar]

I liked the one where the guy said with evident surprise that he was beginning to think there might be something to what Ron is saying.


Well, Peggy Noonan's noticing it as well:


After Mr. Paul spoke, it seemed half the room booed, but the other applauded. When a thousand Republicans are in a room and one man of the eight on the stage takes a sharply minority viewpoint on a dramatic issue and half the room seems to cheer him, something's going on

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I had high expectations.

Paul has never impressed me with his debate and argument skills.

Hes great in a format where he's debating Alan Greenspan in an intellectual arena about complex and in-depth issues.

Hes great in a format where he's debating Morton Downey Jr. in a wild, yell out one-liners and logical absurdities at the top of your lungs, setting.


Everywhere else, hes kind of hit-or-mis. Sometimes he comes off strong and knowledgeable. Other times he comes off timid and wishy-washy about his facts.

We know hes right. He just has to start seeming that way to everyone else.

[Corydoras]

Hes great in a format where he's debating Alan Greenspan in an intellectual arena about complex and in-depth issues.

Hes great in a format where he's debating Morton Downey Jr. in a wild, yell out one-liners and logical absurdities at the top of your lungs, setting.


Everywhere else, hes kind of hit-or-mis.


I hate to agree. I think it's the result of people either realizing how brilliant he is or yelling at him as if he's a fool, but then he doesn't a lot of the kind of give-and-take where people who don't really know him dialogue with him and he has to persuade them.

[mesler]

I am confused.. I also have heard this too.. that he is liberal! I am very confused as he seems WAY REMOVED FROM LIBERALISM.... I mean, MUCH less government spending.. end the welfare roles for illegals, close the the borders.. etc.. I don't get that lable.. is that just because of his anti-war stance..

Based on what I gather from the Hannity forums, anyone who opposes the war in Iraq is a liberal. Yes, some people are that shallow.

[Kuldebar]

Ron Paul's public speaking is his strongest attribute besides the message itself.

He isn't slick, isn't a show man but he speaks with sincerity. Today's media is so centered around the concept of zingers, quips and one liners that substantive discussion is nearly impossible in a short interview.


Ron Paul won't be conforming to this modern way, it just isn't how he is and he isn't going to change.

When he is asked a question that deserves a well-thought answer, he gives it. It is the fault of the interviewer and the audience if they can't accept that most things can't be boiled don't to a slogan or sound bite.

If you watch you will see that most politicians simply fill out their answers with squishy terminology and when pressed (seldom happens) for more details they simply do more of the same.


Ron Paul is professorial, yes I know it hurts the brains of most Americans, but Ron Paul actually likes setting up his answer in a framework for better understanding.

And, as we saw from O'Reilly, Bill doesn't really think placing things in historical context is necessary. To me, that pretty much explains everything that's wrong with modern politics.

[born2drv]

I don't know if anyone is aware, but my name over there is Assyrian ;)

Also PLEASE don't spam over there, if you do register and participate, please engage people, post in a wide variety of topics, etc.... they're patience for RP supporters who troll the forums is very thin, and some of us RP supporters over there are trying our best to wear them down without looking like spammers :D

[Paulitician]

Wow, man, good job at keeping your patience. They're simply ridiculous. "But, but, but this is different! A small group of radicals want us to convert to Islam, or they'll destroy us and the rest of the planet if we don't surrender! They'll stop at nothing! Be afraid! Be very afraid!"

Seems like the best argument that they can come up with. I like how you pointed out the different step-by-step "goals" we've had in the ME and how they have followed the government like sheep. They say Ron Paul is stupid because of his foreign policy and that somehow he's out of touch with reality, but I don't see one credible argument in support of their opinion.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I made a comment over there ;)

[Duckman]

I just want to reiterate that I thought this interview went well, I think Ron Paul provided actual COUNERPOINTS to that tired message of how Iran wants to get nuclear weapons so they can nuke everyone and take over the middle east. I think the fact that Ron got to say that our foreign policy makes other nations arm themselves because they fear us was something that needed to be said to O'Reilly's audience!

[wgadget]

I don't know if anyone is aware, but my name over there is Assyrian ;)

Also PLEASE don't spam over there, if you do register and participate, please engage people, post in a wide variety of topics, etc.... they're patience for RP supporters who troll the forums is very thin, and some of us RP supporters over there are trying our best to wear them down without looking like spammers :D

Your threads impress me to the UTMOST, Assyrian! Thanks for presenting the message so fervently. I, myself, have been forever banned from the hannity forum, but I can still read the posts.

[micahnelson]

I am confused.. I also have heard this too.. that he is liberal! I am very confused as he seems WAY REMOVED FROM LIBERALISM.... I mean, MUCH less government spending.. end the welfare roles for illegals, close the the borders.. etc.. I don't get that lable.. is that just because of his anti-war stance..

Ron Paul is in NO way a liberal. He is a small government traditional conservative as far as taxes and spending. They don't know what liberal means. They just think it means anti-war, which by that logic makes hillary more of a conservative than Ron Paul- another thing they like to say over there.

[Roxi]

Modern a day liberals and conservatives are split personalities that need to be joined back together.

Remember in the movie The Dark Crystal? There were 2 races at odds with each other, until the Crystal was restored?

Same way here, once the Constitution is restored, things will become whole. :)


holy crap i hadn't thought about that movie in 10 years.... im not a jim henson fan but i experienced that movie as an 18 year old while i was "seeing colors" I should watch it again

[FrankRep]

African Americans for Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSh6kVT4UL0&sdig=1

[wgadget]

I love to meet African Americans for Ron Paul, which is what I did two Saturdays ago. Good times.

[R_Harris]

I had high expectations.

Paul has never impressed me with his debate and argument skills.

Hes great in a format where he's debating Alan Greenspan in an intellectual arena about complex and in-depth issues.

Hes great in a format where he's debating Morton Downey Jr. in a wild, yell out one-liners and logical absurdities at the top of your lungs, setting.


Everywhere else, hes kind of hit-or-mis. Sometimes he comes off strong and knowledgeable. Other times he comes off timid and wishy-washy about his facts.

We know hes right. He just has to start seeming that way to everyone else.


The problem with TV interviews - and especially those with ego driven hosts like O'Reilly and Hannity who don't want to be educated, since they think they already have all the answers - is that you don't have very long to get your point across. It is difficult to discuss complex issues in a 30 second format. THAT is what is wrong with the political campaigning - worthless soundbites, and a population that is brainwashed in thinking in certain ways and in certain patterns.

It is EXCEPTIONALLY DIFFICULT to get a "contrary" message across effectively in such an environment. The deck is already stacked against you before you can begin.

This is the challenge - can we develop ways to communicate complex foreign policy and history issues in 30 second soundbites? Let's get a sharp communications consultant to help us.

[pyrazole2]

I think most people today look at the political spectrum as a 1 dimensional line between liberals and neoconservatives, with independents around the midpoint. Most people don't see him fitting into the neocon party, so the only other option for them is liberal.

In reality, the political 'map' is multidimensional, but they can't wrap their tiny minds around it.

[LibertyEagle]

This is the challenge - can we develop ways to communicate complex foreign policy and history issues in 30 second soundbites? Let's get a sharp communications consultant to help us.

Agreed.

The thing I hated most about the interview is that a couple of times Ron would say something, Bill would counter it and then Ron would let it go and go on to something else. It made it look like Bill had won the point. I really wish Ron would have nailed him with the facts. He can't just let these things go. It does not serve us well at all.

[eloquensanity]

I don't know if anyone is aware, but my name over there is Assyrian ;)

Also PLEASE don't spam over there, if you do register and participate, please engage people, post in a wide variety of topics, etc.... they're patience for RP supporters who troll the forums is very thin, and some of us RP supporters over there are trying our best to wear them down without looking like spammers :D

Fantastic job over there. I was reading your posts and if I was undecided you would have my attention. Keep up the good work. :D

[emilysdad]

The problem with TV interviews - and especially those with ego driven hosts like O'Reilly and Hannity who don't want to be educated, since they think they already have all the answers - is that you don't have very long to get your point across. It is difficult to discuss complex issues in a 30 second format. THAT is what is wrong with the political campaigning - worthless soundbites, and a population that is brainwashed in thinking in certain ways and in certain patterns.

It is EXCEPTIONALLY DIFFICULT to get a "contrary" message across effectively in such an environment. The deck is already stacked against you before you can begin.

This is the challenge - can we develop ways to communicate complex foreign policy and history issues in 30 second soundbites? Let's get a sharp communications consultant to help us.

I agree with you. All the networks use the same type of lame debate platform. I have seen Mark Cubans name on this forum before but don't know his politics. He has a network. HDNet has not had a debate, yet. What is the possibility of maybe starting an email campaign urging HDNet to hold a debate, using a more intellegent platform. Better yet, a series of one on ones which will allow all the candidates sufficiant time to explain their views. Or, maybe even an American favorite, "reality" type debate, something like "Last Candidate Standing". It would be nice to see "one" network step up and try to educate their viewing audience.

[mconder]

"we don't need another history lesson"

A perfect demonstration of Bill's ignorance. It's been said that America has a very short memory and people in the Middle East never forget. History has everything to do with it.

[micahnelson]

http://www.micahnelson.com/?p=115

I wrote a response to Bill's line of questioning... in case anyone gets curious.

[expatriot]

"we don't need another history lesson"

A perfect demonstration of Bill's ignorance. It's been said that America has a very short memory and people in the Middle East never forget. History has everything to do with it.

Short memory about what?

And, what has Iowa got to do with History, I thought MJ lived in San Francisco?

[wgadget]

I just re-visited this Hannity thread, and there are a lot of people over there who admit to coming over here to this forum. LOL. Like we should be surprised...

[expatriot]

I think most people today look at the political spectrum as a 1 dimensional line between liberals and neoconservatives, with independents around the midpoint. Most people don't see him fitting into the neocon party, so the only other option for them is liberal.

In reality, the political 'map' is multidimensional, but they can't wrap their tiny minds around it.

1-dimensional brains are indeed seriously challenged by this.

It is, therefore a good starting point when trying to decide
whether your consumption of oxygen is worth the effort
of trying to enlighten them.
(Bear in mind a 1-dimensional object can never be illuminated)

In the event that I encounter such entities my immediate strategy
is to abandon persuasion, logic or any other valid social skill
and employ instead some basic reprogramming skills such as employed
in potty-training pets or managing herds of dairy cows.

It is an awful lot less stress on my own universe and
it gets the job done.

PM me if you want to know more about how to do this...

[born2drv]

Your threads impress me to the UTMOST, Assyrian! Thanks for presenting the message so fervently. I, myself, have been forever banned from the hannity forum, but I can still read the posts.

Thanks guys I appreciate it :)

[Duckman]

In reality, the political 'map' is multidimensional, but they can't wrap their tiny minds around it.

It's gotten so dumbed down that I think many Fox watchers and talk radio listeners define "liberal" as any view other than the one they hold, no matter what that view is.

[squirrelbrewer]

While I don't agree with Fred Thompson's views, I do agree with him that it would be a good idea to start incorporating lincoln-douglas 1858 type debates into the picture. That's where Ron would really shine. Start trading in soundbites for intellectual studies of the facts.