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Jeremy
12-17-2008, 12:22 PM
I was calling the Greek protesters (violent ones) rioters that just wanted to feel like they were doing something and would end up with more government in the end. You know... like famous libertarian Ghandi talked about it. Well I was called names and some of you were being sarcastic about the founding fathers. Even after I already posted about the difference between defense and rioting...

Well it looks like different people posting in this thread just proved all of my points: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=172542

And to OP: stop glorifying them lol ._.

WRellim
12-17-2008, 12:44 PM
Agreed. There is nothing to "glorify" in rampant destruction.

These fools are not attacking "the police" nor "the government" instead they are (like the LA Rioters) attacking and destroying their own communities. The stores where they used to shop, above which are the apartments where normal people live.

But most people are fools and refuse to see what is really happening.


Greece will (once again) end BADLY.

StudentForPaul08
12-17-2008, 02:36 PM
I simply agree that it is good they are standing up for something,

I do not agree with the looting, fires, and destruction, nor their "socialist" wants though.

wizardwatson
12-17-2008, 04:36 PM
For a true libertarian the ends do not justify the means, if the means violate the libertarian principle of non-aggression.

Just because someone is generally aligned against "the government" is not enough.

A lot of people criticized Ghandi for not asking the British to pardon Bhagat Singh when an agreement was made for India's independence. Singh was a hero to the Indian's and laid much of the groundwork that Ghandi and Shubash Chandra Bose would later carry on. But Ghandi did nothing and Singh was hanged for murder. Or at least, that is how many Indians saw it.

This is a letter from Ghandi on the matter:


Bhagat Singh and his two associates have been hanged. The Congress made many attempts to save their lives and the Government entertained many hopes of it, but all has been in a vain.

Bhagat Singh did not wish to live. He refused to apologize, or even file an appeal. Bhagat Singh was not a devotee of non-violence, but he did not subscribe to the religion of violence. He took to violence due to helplessness and to defend his homeland. In his last letter, Bhagat Singh wrote --" I have been arrested while waging a war. For me there can be no gallows. Put me into the mouth of a cannon and blow me off." These heroes had conquered the fear of death. Let us bow to them a thousand times for their heroism.

But we should not imitate their act. In our land of millions of destitute and crippled people, if we take to the practice of seeking justice through murder, there will be a terrifying situation. Our poor people will become victims of our atrocities. By making a dharma of violence, we shall be reaping the fruit of our own actions.

Hence, though we praise the courage of these brave men, we should never countenance their activities. Our dharma is to swallow our anger, abide by the discipline of non-violence and carry out our duty.

March 29, 1931

I bring it up, because Bhagat was kind of India's Anarchist hero against british occupation.