JBS: Berg v. Obama v. Reality

[LibertyEagle]

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4196

And another one:
Obama citizenship and the Constitution
http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/3759

[libertarian4321]

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4196

And another one:
Obama citizenship and the Constitution
http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/3759

"Hillary Clinton partisan Philip Berg might be a good lawyer, but he is no student of the U.S. Constitution. His effort to derail the pending presidency of Barack Obama with his personal lawsuit is a dead end.

Mr. Berg has no standing to challenge the citizenship of Barack Obama because electors in the electoral college choose our country's presidents - not general election voters. In fact, there is no constitutional requirement that any popular vote be held to influence the selection of our nation's president.

Sticking with the facts, here are the three legal ways that a presidential hopeful can be disqualified from gaining office:

1. (dead issue for the 2008 election) State legislatures could pass laws instructing their Secretary of State offices or Board of Elections to verify the eligibility of presidential candidates before allowing their names to be placed on state ballots. As we noted earlier, states currently just add names of presidential candidates to their ballots as instructed by self-approved political parties.

2. Electors in the Electoral College refuse to cast votes for a candidate they are not sure meet the qualifications required to be president.

3. During the counting of the Electoral College votes in the US Senate, the votes for a particular presidential candidate are challenged on the grounds that the candidate does not meet the qualifications required to be president.

So, if you care about this issue, don't waste your time on a sore loser whose major motivation is that Hillary Clinton should be president. Electors of the Electoral College meet in the 50 states and the District of Columbia on December 15th. These are the people you should be trying to influence."

Just what I'd expect from those damned Obama loving liberals at the John Birch Society! :)

I guess the JBS folks, unlike Berg and his ilk, have actually read the Constitution...

[DeadheadForPaul]

It's sad how many RPFers have bought into the whole "Obama can't be President" thing

Further demonstrates how many kooks are in our movement

[libertarian4321]

It's sad how many RPFers have bought into the whole "Obama can't be President" thing

Further demonstrates how many kooks are in our movement

I think a lot of it is people who are just pissed off that Obama won the election and are doing what they can to overturn the will of the people.

The "we're defending the Constitution" bit is probably nothing more than a thin veil for "sour grapes" for some or racism for others.

I still say that this sort of effort is idiotic and a waste of time and resources (as well as making us all look like a-holes by association).

If we don't like the winner, we should try harder next time to get our guy elected!

Ron Paul 2012? (I still have a few of the "Hope for America" bumper stickers that can be reused :)

[Truth Warrior]

It's sad how many RPFers have bought into the whole "Obama can't be President" thing

Further demonstrates how many kooks are in our movement Yeah, how about that kooky birth eyewitness Kenyan grandmother? Hilarious!!! :D

:rolleyes:

[torchbearer]

It's sad how many RPFers have bought into the whole "Obama can't be President" thing

Further demonstrates how many kooks are in our movement

If he doesn't meet the criteria for president, its unconstitutional.
Berg may have no standing, but some people do... and those people are complicit in the crime.
Who then stands up and calls foul?
Electors?? Nope. Obama Worshipers.
Senate?? Nope. Power Hungry Nobles who do what it takes to maintain power and nothing more.
House of Reps.?? Nope. See above (minor nobles and maybe one or two decent guys who don't have enough power to get a vote to the floor)
Supreme Court?? Nope. Don't have to do anything and won't.
Obama? Yeah right. He didn't suck rich white men's dicks for the last 8 years to wipe the spew off his mouth to do what is right.

So who then stands up for the constitution?

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

If he doesn't meet the criteria for president, its unconstitutional.
Berg may have no standing, but some people do... and those people are complicit in the crime.
Who then stands up and calls foul?
Electors?? Nope. Obama Worshipers.
Senate?? Nope. Power Hungry Nobles who do what it takes to maintain power and nothing more.
House of Reps.?? Nope. See above (minor nobles and maybe one or two decent guys who don't have enough power to get a vote to the floor)
Supreme Court?? Nope. Don't have to do anything and won't.
Obama? Yeah right. He didn't suck rich white men's dicks for the last 8 years to wipe the spew off his mouth to do what is right.

So who then stands up for the constitution?

I agree 100%. This is not about "sour grapes" or "racism" to most people. This is about the fact that there is a serious question as to whether or not Obama was born in the United States. He could easily put all this to rest by simply producing a birth certificate to prove that he is in accordance with our constitutional standards but he continues to produce nothing. So what is the hold up? Truth does not fear investigation!

[FindLiberty]

guess the US Constitution is officially dead now ...it's been dead for decades actually.

[dannno]

The "we're defending the Constitution" bit is probably nothing more than a thin veil for "sour grapes" for some or racism for others.


This is absolutely false. Look at my posting history from a few months ago, I was 'hoping' Obama would beat McCain because McCain is the biggest stooge in the world and would do whatever they wanted him to, and I wanted the GOP to lose because they deserved it and gave the finger to Ron Paul. Obama is a globalist and a socialist, but he at seems to be the most humane of the bunch. I would certainly rather have Obama in there over Biden or Hillary. So you are really just wrong.

The reason I want them to face this is because the earlier we face it the better off America will be. The later we face this, the worse off we will be. If it's true, he can be blackmailed into doing anything. Like, attack Iran.

[I Am Weasel]

guess the US Constitution is officially dead now ...it's been dead for decades actually.

Dead but not gone, it can be resurrected ya know

[Truth Warrior]

Dead but not gone, it can be resurrected ya know Oh really, and who's gonna do it and how? :rolleyes:

[lynnf]

Oh really, and who's gonna do it and how? :rolleyes:

well, we kinda thought Ron Paul was going to do it - by winning the Presidency!

isn't he thinking about running in 2012?

lynn

[Truth Warrior]

well, we kinda thought Ron Paul was going to do it - by winning the Presidency!

isn't he thinking about running in 2012?

lynn It's MUCH more than a one man job.<IMHO> ;) HOW, by an Executive Order? :rolleyes: ( Not really Ron's style )

MOST and BEST REALISTIC SWAG probability: "Ain't gonna happen."

Thanks! :)

[LibertyEagle]

It's MUCH more than a one man job.<IMHO> ;) HOW, by an Executive Order? :rolleyes: ( Not really Ron's style )[/B]

MOST and BEST REALISTIC SWAG probability: "Ain't gonna happen."

Thanks! :)

Ron was planning to get rid of the existing Executive Orders. That IS his style. :rolleyes:

No, it's not very likely that we're going to be able to elect someone at the presidential level of our liking. Much less, that if they followed the Constitution, that they would be able to just wave their magic wand and fix all this. Even if Ron had been elected, all he would have been able to do is to get rid of EOs, Presidential Directives, maybe signing statements and the like. But more than that, he would've not enabled the situation to get worse. On top of that, he could have used the position as a pulpit from which to educate Americans.

Reality is, that we have little chance of taking back our country from the top down. Maybe that's why the plan now is to take it back from the precinct level on up. No, we might not have the time to get all the way to the national levvel, but if we focus on our own precincts, cities and states, every single thing we get done is going to have a huge impact when and if the SHTF.

Thanks. :)

[Danke]

The "we're defending the Constitution" bit is probably nothing more than a thin veil for "sour grapes" for some or racism for others.



Nicely played. http://lvboard.arcynic.net/images/smiles/icon_clap.gif

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[libertarian4321]

Nicely played. http://lvboard.arcynic.net/images/smiles/icon_clap.gif

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/632/racecard5nm.jpg

Because the race card is sometimes played for purely political reasons does NOT mean racism doesn't exist and that some people don't hold racist views.

There are racists everywhere, including on this board- some of them are open about it, others aren't.

As I said, racism was ONE of the factors behind this "movement"- it certainly isn't the only one, but to deny its existence isn't very realistic.

[Danke]

As I said, racism was ONE of the factors behind this "movement"- it certainly isn't the only one, but to deny its existence isn't very realistic.

Yes, maybe, but to make that accusation without backing it up, that's the race card.

[bojo68]

Because the race card is sometimes played for purely political reasons does NOT mean racism doesn't exist and that some people don't hold racist views.

There are racists everywhere, including on this board- some of them are open about it, others aren't.

As I said, racism was ONE of the factors behind this "movement"- it certainly isn't the only one, but to deny its existence isn't very realistic.

I'd bet there are more racists in your mind than anywhere else.

[libertarian4321]

Yes, maybe, but to make that accusation without backing it up, that's the race card.

To list racism as A FACTOR is not "playing the race card"- every rational person knows that there are racists out there who will do anything to "get" Obama primarily because if his race.

You want back up? Frankly, I'm shocked that anyone would doubt that the racists are all over this issue, but I'll do the work for you. The most popular thread at "stormfront" is about this issue- I'm sure you'll find the same on similar racist web sites (btw, this isn't the only thread on this subject at that site, there are a bunch of them):

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=522447

If I had said it was the ONLY factor or even the primary factor (which I did not do), and there was no evidence to support my claim, then you would have been right.

[LibertyEagle]

It not necessary to bring race into the equation when deriding Obama. There are plenty of reasons to dislike him and know that he is bought and sold by the same people who gave us Bush.

[bojo68]

It not necessary to bring race into the equation when deriding Obama. There are plenty of reasons to dislike him and know that he is bought and sold by the same people who gave us Bush.

But it IS something a racist would do... It also follows the lack of logic he uses during most of the rest of his points....

With this I think he;s proved how little value or relevance his opinion has.

[lucius]

It not necessary to bring race into the equation when deriding Obama. There are plenty of reasons to dislike him and know that he is bought and sold by the same people who gave us Bush.

That's it--the rest is just a facade [a showy misrepresentation intended to conceal something unpleasant]...

[nodope0695]

It's sad how many RPFers have bought into the whole "Obama can't be President" thing

Further demonstrates how many kooks are in our movement

You have fallen for the MSM/Obama mind fucking! This is not some conspiracy therory! This is an issue of We The People enforcing the Constitution! What is so hard to understand about that?

You are accusing people who want to ensure enforcement with the Constitution as "Kooks"? Isn't that what the MSM said of those of us who actually tried to get Ron Paul elected? Were you areound when we donated out time, our money, our hearts and our souls to get RP's message out there? From what you say, I doubt it. If you were, then WTF????

Have you read about the issue, or are you relying on the MSM? I suspect the latter. Why not take a look at the Obama Watch Tread on this site. Learn something and quit parroting your parents, or whoever you're listening to. This is not a site for sheeple, you are encouraged to think for yourself....can you do that? If not, go away.

Watch this, and realize this is not some damned way to "derail" Obama's presidency:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI&eurl=http://www.plainsradio.com/

If you believe this citizenship issue is for the tin-foil hat people, then you're IMHO, not a true patriot, but rather a shill for the MSM and TPTB. Go away already.

[nodope0695]

Sadly, regardless of how I feel, or of the efforts of people who respect our Constitution, nothing will be done about this issue.

If Obama is found inelligable, the cities of this nation would burn. That's the plain truth. You thought the Rodney King riots were bad? Try multiplying that 100 fold. And, Rodney King was a scumbag! If people will riot for a scumbag, then imagine if it came out that Messiah Obama was not allowed, CONSTITUTIONALLY, to hold office as POTUS.

[Danke]

To list racism as A FACTOR is not "playing the race card"- every rational person knows that there are racists out there who will do anything to "get" Obama primarily because if his race.

You want back up? Frankly, I'm shocked that anyone would doubt that the racists are all over this issue, but I'll do the work for you. The most popular thread at "stormfront" is about this issue- I'm sure you'll find the same on similar racist web sites (btw, this isn't the only thread on this subject at that site, there are a bunch of them):

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=522447

If I had said it was the ONLY factor or even the primary factor (which I did not do), and there was no evidence to support my claim, then you would have been right.

So a link to a racist website reporting on the story some how backs up your claim? Get real. How much time do you spend over there, no wonder you see racism everywhere.

[bojo68]

Sadly, regardless of how I feel, or of the efforts of people who respect our Constitution, nothing will be done about this issue.

If Obama is found inelligable, the cities of this nation would burn. That's the plain truth. You thought the Rodney King riots were bad? Try multiplying that 100 fold. And, Rodney King was a scumbag! If people will riot for a scumbag, then imagine if it came out that Messiah Obama was not allowed, CONSTITUTIONALLY, to hold office as POTUS.

So, Rodney King's a scumbag(I'm not so convinced of that, the cops said he was doing 120mph, a Hyundai? rep said the car couldn't do much more than 90.) Obama's a scumbag(he's light years ahead of Rodney on the scumbag scale).
Is this country to be held hostage from it's constitutional rules every time a large groups of the ignorant chose to defend a scumbag?? I say it's time for people to get a dos of reality, like it or lump it. If you want to burn stuff, you'll be herded into your own neighborhood and can burn your own stuff, with any luck, maybe yourself.

[LibertyEagle]

So, Rodney King's a scumbag(I'm not so convinced of that, the cops said he was doing 120mph, a Hyundai? rep said the car couldn't do much more than 90.) Obama's a scumbag(he's light years ahead of Rodney on the scumbag scale).
Is this country to be held hostage from it's constitutional rules every time a large groups of the ignorant chose to defend a scumbag?? I say it's time for people to get a dos of reality, like it or lump it. If you want to burn stuff, you'll be herded into your own neighborhood and can burn your own stuff, with any luck, maybe yourself.

Yeah, think so. He had quite a little record. There are a lot of people to look up to. King isn't one of them.

[libertarian4321]

So a link to a racist website reporting on the story some how backs up your claim? Get real. How much time do you spend over there, no wonder you see racism everywhere.

Actually, I never "spend time" there- you wanted evidence that racists are backing these attempts to overturn the results of the election, and I knew that I could find plenty of evidence of it with a 10 second visit to ANY racist web site.

[Danke]

Actually, I never "spend time" there- you wanted evidence that racists are backing these attempts to overturn the results of the election, and I knew that I could find plenty of evidence of it with a 10 second visit to ANY racist web site.

You keep failing.

[libertarian4321]

You keep failing.

No, its just that you either aren't willing or able to comprehend anything that doesn't
fit your pre-disposed notions.

[hotbrownsauce]

The "Kook" card is played very often to discredit people with intelligent beliefs. It is very irritating.

Just as my constitutional studies teacher once said, "a Natural Born Citizen has never been clearly defined" which is why the wording of laws is very important.

I don't know what to believe, it is very confusing. But I do know these lawsuits aren't "kooky". Kooky implies crazy, this isn't crazy, it's interpretation. So stop pulling the "Kooky Conspiracy" card.

P.S. I am not koo koo for coacoa puffs.

[PatriotLegion]

It would make most sense for a full natural born citizen (born on US soil to a parent who is a US citizen) to be the POTUS in terms of national loyalty. There interests would be for there native country and there would be no outside influence.

That is what I believe the founders wanted for the President. Today there are many influences that sway candidates and politicians in the wrong directions inside and outside this country so its a bit different these days because of massive greed our politicians have....