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Kotin
12-14-2008, 06:32 PM
http://52.thelastoutpost.com/video-4/police-state/cia-embedded-in-every-state-government.html





Former Governor Jesse Ventura exposes he was interrogated by more than 20 CIA agents during his term of office in Minnesota. Despite the CIA's mission statement which states they are not to be operational within the Unites States, Ventura stated that he had embedded CIA agents working in high level positions of the Minnesota state government. Ventura also said that when these agents retired, their replacements were already chosen for him by the CIA.

also, he talks about being tailed by the CIA in Cuba.

Scribbler de Stebbing
12-14-2008, 06:41 PM
Okay, you see how he's rocking back and forth, moving his eyes side to side, and looking rumpled? When you're sharing conspiracy theories, don't do that.

Andrew Ryan
12-14-2008, 06:54 PM
Okay, you see how he's rocking back and forth, moving his eyes side to side, and looking rumpled? When you're sharing conspiracy theories, don't do that.
Lmao

ClayTrainor
12-14-2008, 06:57 PM
This video isn't new, i've seen it before, months ago.

Interesting stuff though. Not sure what's up with his "rocking". He does it in alot of MSM appearances as well. If he wants to run for pres, he needs to cut that habit out.

robertwerden
12-14-2008, 06:59 PM
He is always like that, every interview.

I can't wait to see him destroy Huckabee and Romney in the 2012 primaries.

Kotin
12-14-2008, 07:56 PM
He is always like that, every interview.

I can't wait to see him destroy Huckabee and Romney in the 2012 primaries.

he would never run as a Republican..

tangent4ronpaul
12-14-2008, 08:28 PM
http://52.thelastoutpost.com/video-4/police-state/cia-embedded-in-every-state-government.html





Former Governor Jesse Ventura exposes he was interrogated by more than 20 CIA agents during his term of office in Minnesota. Despite the CIA's mission statement which states they are not to be operational within the Unites States, Ventura stated that he had embedded CIA agents working in high level positions of the Minnesota state government. Ventura also said that when these agents retired, their replacements were already chosen for him by the CIA.

also, he talks about being tailed by the CIA in Cuba.

The laws changed and the CIA is now permitted to operate domestically. Not a good thing, in my opinion, but it's legal now. They also operate many cover companies for various purposed and have for years - but that's for overseas support and HR purposes.

As to Cuba, it's illegal for US citizens to visit that country. In order to get there you have to first fly to Mexico or Canada. However, if the US Government finds out about it, they can throw you in jail.

-t

Andrew Ryan
12-14-2008, 08:36 PM
The laws changed and the CIA is now permitted to operate domestically. Not a good thing, in my opinion, but it's legal now. They also operate many cover companies for various purposed and have for years - but that's for overseas support and HR purposes.

As to Cuba, it's illegal for US citizens to visit that country. In order to get there you have to first fly to Mexico or Canada. However, if the US Government finds out about it, they can throw you in jail.

-t
Well that's bs.

constitutional
12-14-2008, 08:43 PM
It's amazing how he's able to talk about stuff like this.

Vet_from_cali
12-14-2008, 08:51 PM
i'd honestly would like to see him run

Truth Warrior
12-14-2008, 08:52 PM
Is this beginning to sound kinda like the Gestapo or the East German Stasi? :p :eek:

raystone
12-14-2008, 08:55 PM
i'd honestly would like to see him run


He'll have to flip a coin to find out if he'll run for POTUS like he did for MN Senate decision.

JRegs85
12-14-2008, 10:16 PM
He discusses this in his latest book...a pretty good read, if you have the time.

Eric21ND
12-14-2008, 10:17 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Jesse has an "accident" sometime soon.

tangent4ronpaul
12-14-2008, 11:27 PM
It looks like travel to Cuba opened up just a little, but you need a license to go there and there are few reasons to grant one.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1097.html#entry_requirements

ENTRY/EXIT REQUIREMENTS /TRAVEL TRANSACTION LIMITATIONS: The Cuban Assets Control Regulations are enforced by the U.S. Treasury Department and affect all U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located, all people and organizations physically located in the United States, and all branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world. The regulations require that persons subject to U.S. jurisdiction be licensed in order to engage in any travel-related transactions pursuant to travel to, from, and within Cuba. Transactions related to tourist travel are not licensable. This restriction includes tourist travel to Cuba from or through a third country such as Mexico or Canada. U.S. law enforcement authorities have increased enforcement of these regulations at U.S. airports and pre-clearance facilities in third countries. Travelers who fail to comply with Department of Treasury regulations could face civil penalties and criminal prosecution upon return to the United States.

General licenses are granted to the following categories of travelers, who are permitted to spend money to travel to Cuba and to engage in other transactions directly incident to the purpose of their travel, without the need to obtain a specific license from the U.S. Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) at http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/:

* Journalists and supporting broadcasting or technical personnel (regularly employed in that capacity by a news reporting organization and traveling for journalistic activities).
* Official government travelers on official business.
* Members of international organizations of which the United States is also a member (traveling on official business).
* Full-time professionals whose travel transactions are directly related to research in their professional areas, provided that their research: 1) is of a noncommercial, academic nature; 2) comprises a full work schedule in Cuba; and 3) has a substantial likelihood of public dissemination.
* Full-time professionals whose travel transactions are directly related to attendance at professional meetings or conferences in Cuba that are organized by an international professional organization, institution, or association that regularly sponsors such meetings or conferences in other countries. An organization, institution, or association headquartered in the United States may not sponsor such a meeting or conference unless it has been specifically licensed to sponsor it.
* The purpose of the meeting or conference cannot be the promotion of tourism in Cuba or other commercial activities involving Cuba, or to foster production of any bio-technological products.

Travelers who do not qualify for a general license may be eligible for a specific OFAC license if their travel falls under one of the following categories:
Specific Licenses to Visit Immediate Family Members in Cuba: [...]

Specific Licenses for Educational Institutions: [...]

Specific Licenses for Religious Organizations: [...]

Other Specific Licenses: Specific licenses may be issued by OFAC, on a case-by-case basis, authorizing travel transactions by the following categories of persons in connection with the following activities:
Humanitarian Projects and Support for the Cuban People
Free-Lance Journalism
Professional Research and Professional Meetings
Religious Activities
Public Performances, Athletic or Other Competitions, and Exhibitions
Amateur or semi-professional athletes or teams
Activities of Private Foundations or Research or Educational Institutions
Exportation, Importation, or Transmission of Information or Informational Materials
Licensed Exportation

-t

Grimnir Wotansvolk
12-14-2008, 11:36 PM
Ok, his hair is disheveled, his teeth are in disarray, and he's shaking like a junkie.

I know these things are trivial, probably the result of this kind of knowledge weighing on his soul, but this REALLY doesn't help his potential as Ross Perot part 2. At this rate, he may want to consider teaming up with Robert Milnes (http://www.robertmilnes4president2008.com/).

Knightskye
12-15-2008, 12:22 AM
Wonder how many times Corzine's spoken with them.

StateofTrance
12-15-2008, 12:53 AM
i'd honestly would like to see him run

Which would be an EPIC FAIL.

You think rest people are also conspiracy theorists?

HAHAHAHAHA

tangent4ronpaul
12-15-2008, 05:15 AM
Center for National Security Studies

Protecting civil liberties and human rights Director

Kate Martin



February 15, 2005


To: Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction

From: Kate Martin, Center for National Security Studies

Re: Intelligence Activities in the U.S: Current Proposals’ Risks to Civil Liberties.

[...]

There are only minimal legal restrictions on CIA activities inside the U.S.

While there appears to be a general public impression that the CIA does not “spy” on Americans,6 the CIA, as the Commission is well aware, has long operated in the U.S. secretly collecting information from and on Americans and others. There are few legal restraints on such “spying,” those that exist are complicated and ambiguous, and since 9/11 the institutional safeguards against abuse have been weakened. There is virtually no public information concerning what kinds of activities the CIA engages in targeted against Americans and no public consensus concerning what would be appropriate CIA activities in the U.S.

The National Security Act and EO 12,333. When Congress created the CIA in 1947, it prohibited the Agency from exercising “police, subpoena, or law enforcement powers or internal security functions.”7 Congress included this provision to prevent the emergence of an American “Gestapo” and to preserve the FBI’s role as the lead agency with internal security functions.8 But this prohibition has never been read to prohibit the CIA from engaging in intelligence activities inside the U.S., including activities concerning or targeting Americans. To the contrary, the CIA is authorized to collect information about Americans and others in the U.S. and to carry out other intelligence activities, including disruption, affecting Americans as well as foreigners in the U.S. 9

The CIA’s broad authority is not limited to collecting information about Americans suspected of criminal activity, nor even those suspected of acting on behalf of a foreign power. Executive Order 12,333 only requires that “[t]he collection of foreign intelligence or counterintelligence within the United States shall be coordinated with the FBI as required by procedures agreed upon by the Director of Central Intelligence and the Attorney General.”10 While the Executive Order requires that the CIA’s collection and retention of information on Americans be carried out in accordance with guidelines approved by the Attorney General, it authorizes the agency to collect and keep broad categories of information including:

Information within the broad definitions of foreign intelligence11 and counterintelligence; 12 the only restriction being that the agency’s purpose may not be to acquire information concerning the “domestic activities” of Americans13, which consistent with the definition of foreign intelligence is limited to activities that have no connection to any foreign individual, group or government;

Publicly available information14;

Information obtained in the course of a lawful foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or counterterrorism investigation, which need not be foreign intelligence but could be about “domestic activities”;15 and

Information about Americans “reasonably believed to be potential sources or contacts.”16

The CIA can use undercover agents to collect such information from unwitting Americans, because it is exempt from the requirement of the Privacy Act that a government agent inform Americans of his identity and the purpose for which he is collecting information.17 For example, if an American returning from a trip to Iran refuses to speak with the CIA, the CIA is permitted to send an agent pretending to be a student to interview him. The CIA is specifically allowed to have undercover agents in political or other organizations of Americans in order to collect intelligence.18

The CIA also has broad authority for domestic activities that extend beyond the collection of information. While such authorities are prone to abuse, the least is known about these kinds of activities by the agency. Even the language authorizing such activities is deliberately vague.19 The authorizing language does distinguish between, for example, the collection of information about international terrorism and other “activities” conducted to protect against terrorism, or against espionage or other intelligence activities.20 (Note that this authorization extends beyond countering criminal activities such as espionage or terrorism to activities countering “intelligence activities” on behalf of a foreign power or group that may not be criminal).

The CIA has explicit authority for undercover participation in a religious or political or other organization for the explicit purpose of “influencing the activity” of that organization, where the organization is composed primarily of individuals who are not United States persons and the organization is reasonably believed to be acting on behalf of a foreign power. 21 There is no requirement that any such organization or the foreign power be engaged in any criminal activity and, of course, there are many organizations with a mixture of both U.S. persons and non-U.S. persons who would be subject to infiltration under this provision.

We note that there appears to be a public campaign, apparently mounted by CIA officials, to paint the FBI as seeking to take over the task of debriefing or recruiting Americans to act as assets overseas. Three major newspapers have now reported on such an effort, citing intelligence officials.22 These articles inaccurately describe the full range of the CIA’s current activities in the U.S. Furthermore they ignore the potential problems inherent in the current overseas assets recruiting program. We doubt that the program is like the efforts to recruit American business travelers to supply information during the Cold War. Now, the potential recruits are likely to be Arab and Muslim Americans and immigrants. There are no protections against the agency placing undue pressures on these individuals to cooperate or turning the recruitment process into an investigation process.

The Intelligence Reform Act. Recent changes in the law appear to have opened the door to even wider domestic activities by the CIA, while diluting the minimal existing safeguards, although there is no public record of the President’s or Congress’ intention with respect to CIA domestic activities. First, President Bush’s executive orders last fall appear to have expanded CIA domestic authorities. See in particular E.O. 13,355 § 2(c). Then the Intelligence Reform Act removed some of the existing bureaucratic impediments to greater CIA domestic activities, while giving authority to the new DNI or Director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) to task the CIA to carry out domestic intelligence activities, not even limited to collection activities. (The NCTC Director can task intelligence agencies with carrying out “strategic operational plans . . . for [] counterterrorism efforts . . . both inside and outside the United States”.23)

It is not clear that the 1981 E.O. requirement that CIA activities inside the U.S. be coordinated with the FBI and conducted pursuant to guidelines approved by the Attorney General will survive these changes.

It is unclear whether the Attorney General’s traditional authority over the FBI’s intelligence activities has also been limited by provisions of the Intelligence Reform Act that grant the DNI authority – not previously granted to the DCI – to task agencies of the intelligence community, including components of the FBI.24 Certainly there has been no public debate about the desirability of such changes.

[...]

6 This misunderstanding recently seems to have been deliberately perpetuated by intelligence officials. See Dana Priest, FBI Pushes to Expand Domain Into CIA’s Intelligence Gathering, Washington Post, Feb. 6, 2005, at A10; David Johnston and Douglas Jehl, F.B.I’s Recruiting of Spies Causes Rift With C.I.A., New York Times, Feb. 11, 2005.

7 National Security Act, 50 U.S.C. 401 et seq., § 103(d)(1). (Citations in this memo refer to the Act before it was amended by the Intelligence Reform Act of 2004).

8 See Foreign Relations Series, 1945 – 1950: Emergence of the Intelligence Establishment, available at http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/intel/intro.html.

9 §§ 103(d)(1) & (3) of the National Security Act and § 1.8(a) of Executive Order 12,333.

10 E.O. 12,333, § 1.8(a).

11 Id., § 3.4(d).

12 Id., § 3.4(a).

13 Id., § 2.3(b).

14 Id., § 2.3(a).

15 Id., § 2.3(c).

16 Id., § 2.3(f).

17 The CIA is exempt from 5 U.S.C. § 552a(e)(3). See 32 C.F.R. 1901.62(b) (“Pursuant to authority granted in section (j) of the Privacy Act, the Director of Central Intelligence has determined to exempt from sections (c)(3) and (e)(3) (A)–(D) of the Act all systems of records maintained by this Agency.”).

18 E.O. 12,333, § 2.9.

19 See id. § 1.4(f) (authorizing agencies within the intelligence community, including the CIA, to conduct “[s]uch other intelligence activities as the President may direct from time to time.”).

20 Compare E.O. 12,333, § 1.8(a) (authorizing the CIA to “[c]ollect . . . foreign intelligence and counterintelligence”), with § 1.8(c) (authorizing the CIA to “[c]onduct counterintelligence activities [inter alia] within the United States . . . ”).

21 Id., § 2.9.

22 See Washington Post and New York Times articles cited in note 6 supra and Richard B. Schmitt, Greg Miller, “FBI in Talks to Extend Reach”, LOS ANGELES TIMES, January 28, 2005.

23 Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (Intelligence Reform Act), § 1021, codified at 50 U.S.C. 402 et seq., § 119(f)(1)(B).

24 Compare Intelligence Reform Act, § 103(c)(2) (providing that the DNI shall ‘‘(ii) determine requirements and priorities for, and manage and direct the tasking of, collection, analysis, production, and dissemination of national intelligence by elements of the intelligence community,” with National Security Act,

§ 103(c)(2) (requiring that the DCI shall “establish the requirements and priorities to govern the collection of national intelligence by elements of the intelligence community”).

Lovecraftian4Paul
12-15-2008, 06:38 AM
This doesn't sound so crazy to me. Why wouldn't the Feds be listening in on just about every Governor? How do we even know that Blagojevich was being wire tapped for special reasons, and not just as part of routine surveillance by the FBI/CIA for the Federal branch?

Vet_from_cali
12-15-2008, 11:49 AM
Which would be an EPIC FAIL.

You think rest people are also conspiracy theorists?

HAHAHAHAHA

did i say anyone or he was a conspiracy theorist!?

NO!

http://i34.tinypic.com/1zpirgz.gif

sit down cup cakes.

ClayTrainor
12-15-2008, 12:14 PM
Which would be an EPIC FAIL.

You think rest people are also conspiracy theorists?

HAHAHAHAHA

You act like jesse can only garnish CT votes.

You know, it's not like 50% of Americans belive 911 CT's are crazy. A LARGE majority simply say they are "unsure", a small minority says "truthers are retards" and another small minority says "911 was an inside job".

Fact is, in my experience, people are fearful of having an opinion on 911, because there are such heated debates to this day, about the cause of it.

Alot of people disagreed with ron paul on abortion. Alot of people disagreed with him on his border policy, yet they still voted for him :eek:

It takes more than 1 issue to ruin a candidate, but i know you're probably just one of those people who wants to see every truther "Fail", so you will call for it and act like your predicting it.

The media will not be on our side no matter who we pick. They tried to connect 911 to ron paul DOZENS of times, and it hurt his image too. I bet they will connect the truth movement to Sanford and Johnson as well because, the truth movement will probably support them if they run.

Why? Because like it or not, the 911 truth movement has nearly the same goals as the Ron Paul movement, we just disagree on some historical facts. So get used to truthers, i think you're goign to have to deal with that image, any time you dont pick a mainstream candidate that has a hint of hope.