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BeFranklin
12-14-2008, 11:09 AM
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/12/14/palins-church-heavily-damaged-in-fire-arson-suspected/


Sarah Palin’s family will have to attend church in a local school this morning after a fire ripped through her church on Friday evening.

The fire, estimated to have caused $1 million in damages to the Wasilla Bible Church, has been labeled “suspicious” by James Steele, chief of the Central Mat-Su Fire Department.

Potential arson

Steele told the Anchorage Daily News that investigators are looking at the cause of the blaze as “potential arson” and said it was too early to link the fire to the exposure the church received as a result of Palin’s vice-presidential run.

For those on the border, I'm going to ask again - What propaganda were the enemies of the United States spreading 40 years ago?

FYI: Nice video of news with pastor interview at end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRVx1g_BeF4

SamuraisWisdom
12-14-2008, 11:59 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if it was arson. And if it was, those people should be ashamed of themselves.

torchbearer
12-14-2008, 11:59 AM
I didn't do it, I swear!

LibertyEagle
12-14-2008, 12:48 PM
I didn't do it, I swear!

lol

M House
12-14-2008, 12:51 PM
Sounds more like the work of pin-point Russian laser strike to deter Alaskan aggression in the hemisphere. That or some pissed polar bears.

BeFranklin
12-14-2008, 01:05 PM
lol

Yah, I thought of poor torchbearer when I posted this. But torched sounds better then arsoned.

Authorities investigate Sarah Palin effigy in West Hollywood
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-palineffigy29-2008oct29,0,1328064.story

We can probably expect two things in the near future - while suffering complete financial defeat and fraud on a scale undreamed of in the last few months.

Either the president elect is a third world marxist as he is beginning to appear, not even an American. In which case, all the capitalists, Christians, and other pro-freedom liberty lovers are in danger.

Or the president elect is a more moderate big government sort - who wants to increase spending drasticly on everything (virtually the only solution I've heard him say), send money overseas, for the UN, &tc, at a time when America is facing bankrupty and economic collapse. In which case, expect the effect to be somewhat similar, and marxist radicals will be energized, in which case, capitalists, Christians, and other freedom lovers will be in danger - but not from the government (aren't you relieved?).

Also, while they're burning down your church, home, or robbing you, if you complain about it, it might be called a hate crime to complain :cool:

Kludge
12-14-2008, 01:06 PM
Sounds more like the work of pin-point Russian laser strike to deter Alaskan aggression in the hemisphere. That or some pissed polar bears.

Awwe... I miss Governor of Alaska.

Theocrat
12-14-2008, 02:01 PM
I suspect it was politically connected to Palin's membership there. Then again, it could just be a huge coincidence. Or maybe it was a conspiracy of the Russians, or even Obama supporters.

t0rnado
12-14-2008, 02:43 PM
This is hilarious. Looks like their god couldn't stop some guy from lighting their church on fire.

BeFranklin
12-14-2008, 02:51 PM
I suspect it was politically connected to Palin's membership there. Then again, it could just be a huge coincidence. Or maybe it was a conspiracy of the Russians, or even Obama supporters.

I can wait to see if it was arson, and it probably was. But its right in line with the recent stories about the invasion of churches by homosexual activists who start having gay sex in the middle of a worship service, or the old lady that was assaulted by gays at a rally for being pro-marriage recently, etc.

This is my reason for having no more room for lies made up about Christianity or history. Its enough that you are personally attacking my integral being, my savior inside me, but this is tending exactly towards every marxist and nazi regime. Before you start torching, you lie to justify.

Wake up, and choose your side completely. Let every lie you tell be known for setting the stage for exactly this sort of thing.

BeFranklin
12-14-2008, 02:55 PM
This is hilarious. Looks like their god couldn't stop some guy from lighting their church on fire.

Matthew 27:41-43
41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking Jesus, with the scribes and elders, said, 42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. 43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Natalie
12-14-2008, 03:10 PM
This is hilarious. Looks like their god couldn't stop some guy from lighting their church on fire.

Psh... lame :rolleyes:

Theocrat
12-14-2008, 03:17 PM
This is hilarious. Looks like their god couldn't stop some guy from lighting their church on fire.

Don't worry. God will get him back eternally with fire after that person dies. ;)

LibertyEagle
12-14-2008, 03:17 PM
This is hilarious. Looks like their god couldn't stop some guy from lighting their church on fire.

God allows us to have free will. If we want to ruin our lives and destroy our country, he will let us have our way.

BeFranklin
12-14-2008, 03:24 PM
God allows us to have free will. If we want to ruin our lives and destroy our country, he will let us have our way.

More to the point, the people who mocked and crucified Jesus Christ acted the same way.

The bible is accurate in how people act. Unlike all the vainglory typically written about how good fallen man is etc etc, it presents men in all their tarnished lackluster nonglory.

It is useful, and a good antidote for the vanity of fallen man. So start reading it everyone :)

BeFranklin
12-14-2008, 03:29 PM
Although completely off topic, a favorite chapter of mine from Pilgrim's Progress (from where the term vanity fair originally came).

Pilgrim's Progress - Vanity Fair - Chapter Six
The Pilgrim's Progress
by John Bunyan

THE SIXTH STAGE.

Evangelist overtakes Christian and Faithful - Vanity Fair - the Pilgrims brought to trial - Faithful's martyrdom

Now when they were got almost quite out of this wilderness, Faithful chanced to cast his eye back, and espied one coming after them, and he knew him. Oh! said Faithful to his brother, who comes yonder? Then Christian looked, and said, It is my good friend Evangelist. Aye, and my good friend too, said Faithful, for 'twas he that set me on the way to the gate. Now was Evangelist come up unto them, and thus saluted them.

EVAN. Peace be with you, dearly beloved, and peace be to your helpers.

CHR. Welcome, welcome, my good Evangelist: the sight of thy countenance brings to my remembrance thy ancient kindness and unwearied labors for my eternal good.

FAITH. And a thousand times welcome, said good Faithful, thy company, O sweet Evangelist; how desirable is it to us poor pilgrims!

EVAN. Then said Evangelist, How hath it fared with you, my friends, since the time of our last parting? What have you met with, and how have you behaved yourselves?

Then Christian and Faithful told him of all things that had happened to them in the way; and how, and with what difficulty, they had arrived to that place.

Right glad am I, said Evangelist, not that you have met with trials, but that you have been victors, and for that you have, notwithstanding many weaknesses, continued in the way to this very day.

I say, right glad am I of this thing, and that for mine own sake and yours: I have sowed, and you have reaped; and the day is coming, when "both he that soweth, and they that reap, shall rejoice together," John 4:36; that is, if you hold out: "for in due season ye shall reap, if ye faint not." Gal. 6:9. The crown is before you, and it is an incorruptible one; "so run that ye may obtain it." 1 Cor. 9:24-27. Some there be that set out for this crown, and after they have gone far for it, another comes in and takes it from them: "hold fast, therefore, that you have; let no man take your crown." Rev. 3:11. You are not yet out of the gunshot of the devil; "you have not resisted unto blood, striving against sin." Let the kingdom be always before you, and believe steadfastly concerning the things that are invisible. Let nothing that is on this side the other world get within you. And, above all, look well to your own hearts and to the lusts thereof; for they are "deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." Set your faces like a flint; you have all power in heaven and earth on your side.

CHR. Then Christian thanked him for his exhortations; but told him withal, that they would have him speak farther to them for their help the rest of the way; and the rather, for that they well knew that he was a prophet, and could tell them of things that might happen unto them, and also how they might resist and overcome them. To which request Faithful also consented. So Evangelist began as followeth.

EVAN. My sons, you have heard in the word of the truth of the Gospel, that you must "through many tribulations enter into the kingdom of heaven;" and again, that "in every city, bonds and afflictions abide you;" and therefore you cannot expect that you should go long on your pilgrimage without them, in some sort or other. You have found something of the truth of these testimonies upon you already, and more will immediately follow: for now, as you see, you are almost out of this wilderness, and therefore you will soon come into a town that you will by and by see before you; and in that town you will be hardly beset with enemies, who will strain hard but they will kill you; and be you sure that one or both of you must seal the testimony which you hold, with blood; but "be you faithful unto death, and the King will give you a crown of life." He that shall die there, although his death will be unnatural, and his pain, perhaps, great, he will yet have the better of his fellow; not only because he will be arrived at the Celestial City soonest, but because he will escape many miseries that the other will meet with in the rest of his journey. But when you are come to the town, and shall find fulfilled what I have here related, then remember your friend, and quit yourselves like men, and "commit the keeping of your souls to God in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator."

Then I saw in my dream, that when they were got out of the wilderness, they presently saw a town before them, and the name of that town is Vanity; and at the town there is a fair kept, called Vanity Fair. It is kept all the year long. It beareth the name of Vanity Fair, because the town where it is kept is lighter than vanity, Psa. 62:9; and also because all that is there sold, or that cometh thither, is vanity; as is the saying of the wise, "All that cometh is vanity." Eccl. 11:8; see also 1:2-14; 2:11-17; Isa. 40:17.

This fair is no new-erected business but a thing of ancient standing. I will show you the original of it.

Almost five thousand years ago there were pilgrims walking to the Celestial City, as these two honest persons are: and Beelzebub, Apollyon, and Legion, with their companions, perceiving by the path that the pilgrims made, that their way to the city lay through this town of Vanity, they contrived here to set up a fair; a fair wherein should be sold all sorts of vanity, and that it should last all the year long. Therefore, at this fair are all such merchandise sold as houses, lands, trades, places, honors, preferments, titles, countries, kingdoms, lusts, pleasures; and delights of all sorts, as harlots, wives, husbands, children, masters, servants, lives, blood, bodies, souls, silver, gold, pearls, precious stones, and what not.

And moreover, at this fair there is at all times to be seen jugglings, cheats, games, plays, fools, apes, knaves, and rogues, and that of every kind.

Here are to be seen, too, and that for nothing, thefts, murders, adulteries, false-swearers, and that of a blood-red color.

And, as in other fairs of less moment, there are the several rows and streets under their proper names, where such and such wares are vended; so here, likewise, you have the proper places, rows, streets, (namely, countries and kingdoms,) where the wares of this fair are soonest to be found. Here is the Britain Row, the French Row, the Italian Row, the Spanish Row, the German Row, where several sorts of vanities are to be sold. But, as in other fairs, some one commodity is as the chief of all the fair; so the ware of Rome and her merchandise is greatly promoted in this fair; only our English nation, with some others, have taken a dislike thereat.

Now, as I said, the way to the Celestial City lies just through this town, where this lusty fair is kept; and he that will go to the city, and yet not go through this town, "must needs go out of the world." 1 Cor. 4:10. The Prince of princes himself, when here, went through this town to his own country, and that upon a fair-day too; yea, and, as I think, it was Beelzebub, the chief lord of this fair, that invited him to buy of his vanities, yea, would have made him lord of the fair, would he but have done him reverence as he went through the town. Yea, because he was such a person of honor, Beelzebub had him from street to street, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a little time, that he might, if possible, allure that blessed One to cheapen and buy some of his vanities; but he had no mind to the merchandise, and therefore left the town, without laying out so much as one farthing upon these vanities. Matt. 4:8,9; Luke 4:5-7. This fair, therefore, is an ancient thing, of long standing, and a very great fair.

Now, these pilgrims, as I said, must needs go through this fair. Well, so they did; but behold, even as they entered into the fair, all the people in the fair were moved; and the town itself, as it were, in a hubbub about them, and that for several reasons: for,

First, The Pilgrims were clothed with such kind of raiment as was diverse from the raiment of any that traded in that fair. The people, therefore, of the fair made a great gazing upon them: some said they were fools; 1 Cor. 4:9,10; some, they were bedlams; and some, they were outlandish men.

Secondly, And as they wondered at their apparel, so they did likewise at their speech; for few could understand what they said. They naturally spoke the language of Canaan; but they that kept the fair were the men of this world: so that from one end of the fair to the other, they seemed barbarians each to the other. 1 Cor. 2:7,8.

Thirdly, But that which did not a little amuse the merchandisers was, that these pilgrims set very light by all their wares. They cared not so much as to look upon them; and if they called upon them to buy, they would put their fingers in their ears, and cry, "Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity," Psa. 119:37, and look upward, signifying that their trade and traffic was in heaven. Phil. 3: 20,21.

One chanced, mockingly, beholding the carriage of the men, to say unto them, "What will ye buy?" But they, looking gravely upon him, said, "We buy the truth." Prov. 23:23. At that there was an occasion taken to despise the men the more; some mocking, some taunting, some speaking reproachfully, and some calling upon others to smite them. At last, things came to an hubbub and great stir in the fair, insomuch that all order was confounded. Now was word presently brought to the great one of the fair, who quickly came down, and deputed some of his most trusty friends to take those men into examination about whom the fair was almost overturned. So the men were brought to examination; and they that sat upon them asked them whence they came, whither they went, and what they did there in such an unusual garb. The men told them they were pilgrims and strangers in the world, and that they were going to their own country, which was the heavenly Jerusalem, Heb. 11:13-16; and that they had given no occasion to the men of the town, nor yet to the merchandisrs, thus to abuse them, and to let them in their journey, except it was for that, when one asked them what they would buy, they said they would buy the truth. But they that were appointed to examine them did not believe them to be any other than bedlams and mad, or else such as came to put all things into a confusion in the fair. Therefore they took them and beat them, and besmeared them with dirt, and then put them into the cage, that they might be made a spectacle to all the men of the fair. [...More]

t0rnado
12-14-2008, 04:07 PM
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Chapter 7; 30-32:

It was, he thought, the difference between being dragged into the arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with your head held high. Some people, perhaps, would say that there was little to choose between the two ways, but Dumbledore knew - and so do I, thought Harry, with a rush of fierce pride, and so did my parents - that there was all the difference in the world.

Truth Warrior
12-14-2008, 04:13 PM
I'll just bet them evil-doer Alaskan anarchist atheist terrorists did it. ;) < GRRRR! > Both of them. :D

Cui bono? How much was it insured for? ;)

heavenlyboy34
12-14-2008, 04:27 PM
I'll just bet them evil-doer Alaskan anarchist atheist terrorists did it. ;) < GRRRR! >

Both of them. :D

lol! :D

angelatc
12-14-2008, 04:48 PM
This is hilarious. Looks like their god couldn't stop some guy from lighting their church on fire.

You're confusing "couldn't" with "didn't." And I am not a Christian, but I am apparently a better person than you.

The Nazis hated the Jews, and today the left hates the Christians. It is horrible to be so proud of such hate.

Uriel999
12-14-2008, 05:11 PM
This is hilarious. Looks like their god couldn't stop some guy from lighting their church on fire.

Not a Christian...don't even really believe in the existence of god, but your an asshole.

Ron Paul Vermont
12-14-2008, 07:38 PM
Maybe they were cold! haha Alaskans for Global warming!

Enough with the jokes though... So sad...

akihabro
12-16-2008, 01:20 AM
I blame it on the liberals who were working H.A.A.R.P that day.