Will U.S. Citizens Ever Stand Up and Fight Like Those In Greece?

[tmg19103]

Where is the outrage in this country? I guess everybody is counting on McBama and the Fed to save the day.

Personally, I don't think Americans have it in them to stand up to their government like the Greeks....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081211/ts_nm/us_greece_unrest

[TER]

"Greeks don't fight like heroes. Heroes fight like Greeks". -Winston Churchill

[V-rod]

So I guess the L.A. riots was a good thing...

[ihsv]

Americans have been neutered by an extensive indoctrination process. Public schools, corporate media outlets, and various other methods of propaganda have all played their part in that process. Our men act like boys, too busy playing with toys, chasing women and watching football.

On top of that, no one has any principles they're willing to fight for. Truth has been relegated to the realm of opinion, morality is whatever you can get away with, and individual responsibility has been replaced with the self-loving, childish concept of "take care of me/its his fault".

If we ever do have riots like those in Greece, it will not be because a principle has been violated, or one's liberty has been stripped. It will be because the food supply has run out, or for the sake of looting and easy gain.

I doubt America would rise up even if they negated the 2nd amendment.

[Bodhi]

I doubt it. People here in Europe riot all the time, not so much anymore in the US. I don't like the "So I guess the L.A. riots was a good thing... " comment, and I don't think those so called riots have much in common with what is happening in Greece.

[bojo68]

I doubt it. People here in Europe riot all the time, not so much anymore in the US. I don't like the "So I guess the L.A. riots was a good thing... " comment, and I don't think those so called riots have much in common with what is happening in Greece.

The last LA riots were a bunch of idiots destroying their own neighborhoods, stuff, etc. In Greece, they're destroying BANKS, parliament stuff. There's some corelation to the cause of the problem with the destruction, ie rough justice.
The LA riots were nothing but a bunch of idiots trashing stuff.

[AJ Antimony]

Face it, you're living in a country of morons.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

You guys just can't wait for violence, can you? You 2nd amendmenters aren't any better than the neocons with the obvious lust for blood you demonstrate

We can resolve this peacefully with civil disobedience and jury nullification

[reduen]

I have said this before, we do not have to fight and riot! All we need is about a million Americans to rise up and fire all these deadbeat politicians. Don't even let "the powers that be" provoke you to violence... Forget voting, we all just need to agree on about a dozen people to lead the way and just go physically put them in office in the white house. Those twelve could lead the way.

According to the Declaration this is our duty in times like these..

The problem is that you cannot get a million Americans to agree on anything and stand up for liberty.....

United we stand, divided we fall!

[heavenlyboy34]

Face it, you're living in a country of morons.

lol...I admitted that 6 years ago or so..lol ;):(

[socialize_me]

Where is the outrage in this country? I guess everybody is counting on McBama and the Fed to save the day.

Personally, I don't think Americans have it in them to stand up to their government like the Greeks....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081211/ts_nm/us_greece_unrest

Patience. All will be settled when the time is right.

Right now, it isn't right. The People will rise up if the State becomes too intolerable. That is unless you believe we live in a "new age", in which case I say you are no different than all those economists and financial experts who said America was a "New Economy".

There are Laws that have to be obeyed, and I'm not talking about man-made laws. Nature will destroy those who don't follow the rules; it always has. The NWO will never be permanent if it even manifests itself to begin with.

I'm not worried at all. Things will unfold as they should. The Government is no smarter now than it was two days ago, two years ago, two hundred years ago, or two thousand years ago. Time will destroy the Government as it always has.

Do you all honestly believe something like the NWO could exist for long?? I mean, the Soviet Union was HUGE and it collapsed. Society wouldn't, couldn't, take slavery. The Feudal System was destroyed when all literature was controlled by the State, when those of no education couldn't understand what true freedom was. If the NWO were to exist, it would collapse regardless of "brainwashing" as great minds would seep through the holes and re-invigorate human sovereignty.

[Bodhi]

You guys just can't wait for violence, can you? You 2nd amendmenters aren't any better than the neocons with the obvious lust for blood you demonstrate

We can resolve this peacefully with civil disobedience and jury nullification

"You guys"? This is a forum for open discussion and your comment feels devicive to me. I value your opinion but a comment like "You guys just can't wait for violence, can you? You 2nd amendmenters aren't any better than the neocons with the obvious lust for blood you demonstrate?" Seems more like flame bait than a call for objective discorse.

[ItsTime]

They have played this out just right.
They gave a large amount of people HOPE.
That calms the sheep for a little while and it takes longer for them to get mad,
they go into denial because they do not want to admit they had false hope,
then they start making excuses for why Obama is doing all sorts of unconstitutional acts, continuing Bush's failed policies and building up a police state.

[Catatonic]

Violence is for self defense only and a last resort at that.

But....

There's a reason gun sales are at record levels.

[dannno]

You guys just can't wait for violence, can you? You 2nd amendmenters aren't any better than the neocons with the obvious lust for blood you demonstrate


Except that one group is protecting what's theirs and the other group is stealing what isn't.

[Penners]

We are truly a county of morons! Most folks are just watching American Idol, MSM news and denying anything is wrong with our government.

[Dequeant]

So I guess the L.A. riots was a good thing...

Sure they were......in a completely bad, not at all good way. However, what started them is that a large group of people felt strongly they were denied equal justice by the government. I can respect that. It's the idiots that took over from there that gave it a bad rap.


You 2nd amendmenters aren't any better than the neocons with the obvious lust for blood you demonstrate

You 1st amendmenters aren't any better than the neocons with the obvious lust for stereotypes you demonstrate. In case you don't pick up the irony, you aren't going to hurt my feelings by calling us by the rights we are willing to fight to protect. However, I'd imagine your forefathers would be quite ashamed of your lack of willingness to fight for those they themselves fought for. Retort if you'd like, but you've made plain how you feel.


agree on about a dozen people to lead the way and just go physically put them in office in the white house

Most dictatorships start juuuuuuuuust like that. Well, oligarchies technically, but those usually end up as a dictatorships eventually. Funny, you would carry your own chains, and when you got to where you wanted to go, you'd even put them on yourself. Would be dictators pray for citizens like yourself. Think about what you say, then imagine the worst case scenario.....and plan for it.

[Athan]

I agree with Socialize_me. Timing, strategy, and tactics is everything. Think about it, Americans will unite against patriotic people while gas is going low and unemployment is only effecting certain portions of the country. Furthermore, who are you going to stand up to? Government?

Or those who caused the mess which is a smaller group than ron paul supporters? (Bilderburg, CFR, and fed)

[ClayTrainor]

I agree with Socialize_me. Timing, strategy, and tactics is everything. Think about it, Americans will unite against patriotic people while gas is going low and unemployment is only effecting certain portions of the country. Furthermore, who are you going to stand up to? Government?

Or those who caused the mess which is a smaller group than ron paul supporters? (Bilderburg, CFR, and fed)

Imagine a 1,000,000 ceitizens armed themselves and stormed the FED, CFR and Bilderburg, Demanding that thy all resign! What could they do about it? 1,000,0000 people is only like 1% of americans or less...

Hopefully at least 2% of Americans are still truly patriotic.

[Aldanga]

Imagine a 1,000,000 ceitizens armed themselves and stormed the FED, CFR and Bilderburg, Demanding that thy all resign! What could they do about it? 1,000,0000 people is only like 1% of americans or less...

Hopefully at least 2% of Americans are still truly patriotic.

One million is about a third of a percent of the total population in the United States of America.

If you're talking about legal adults, that's a different story.

[ClayTrainor]

One million is about a third of a percent of the total population in the United States of America.

If you're talking about legal adults, that's a different story.

I was just generalizing.

My point is... we could garnish enough support for a real revolution, with or without the sheep.

[LiveToWin]

Imagine a 1,000,000 ceitizens armed themselves and stormed the FED, CFR and Bilderburg, Demanding that thy all resign! What could they do about it? 1,000,000 people is only like 1% of americans or less...

Hopefully at least 2% of Americans are still truly patriotic.


A force 1,000,000 patriots strong is ONLY .3% of the US population or Less. If 1% rise, we have 3,000,000. If 10% Rise, we have 30,000,000 :D ;)

[tmg19103]

My point in starting this thread was not to say we need violence at this point, but to say that I don't think Americans have it in them if (when) the time comes.

Apparently some Congressmen were strongarmed into the original bailout by Paulson saying if they did not vote for it there would be riots in the streets. Hardly. The vast majority of Americans would have baaaahed like sheep.

I personaly abhor violence, but I respect what Greek citizens are doing. Our country was founded on the principle of standing up to the government (and having the arms to do so) but I see countries that have strong Socialist parties where the people make more of a statement than in the U.S.

[socialize_me]

My point in starting this thread was not to say we need violence at this point, but to say that I don't think Americans have it in them if (when) the time comes.

Apparently some Congressmen were strongarmed into the original bailout by Paulson saying if they did not vote for it there would be riots in the streets. Hardly. The vast majority of Americans would have baaaahed like sheep.

I personaly abhor violence, but I respect what Greek citizens are doing. Our country was founded on the principle of standing up to the government (and having the arms to do so) but I see countries that have strong Socialist parties where the people make more of a statement than in the U.S.

Again, people will rise up when they are right for the time. It's not now. Things aren't bad enough yet. Lifestyles haven't dramatically changed yet. When that comes, you will know. When credit cards stop working, when people don't have jobs, and when prices go out of control, we'll see some fireworks. Until then, everything is going to tie over for the short term.

I wouldn't worry about whether or not we have it "in us". We do. We all do. There's no particular race, religion, sex, national origin, or age where we determine our fates. Revolutions have occurred in Africa, North America, South America, Oceania, Asia, and Europe. If people with nothing but a towel to cover their asses can rebel, I suppose Americans can too. It's been going on for a long, long time and no matter what year it is, whether it be 1008, 2008, or 3008, the same rules apply.

Nature has a tendency to clean out the bad stuff. Markets do it, nations do it, wildfires do it, etc. etc. Bad stuff doesn't flourish in this world forever. In the end, the underbrush of corrupt politicians and big government will burn itself out.

Remember Ron Paul saying having a strong currency and a Central Bank is impossible?? His reasoning was the temptation was too great to give humans the power of a printing press. People in the Government that have integrity will do what's necessary. The American People can do the rest.

[Athan]

Imagine a 1,000,000 ceitizens armed themselves and stormed the FED, CFR and Bilderburg, Demanding that thy all resign! What could they do about it? 1,000,0000 people is only like 1% of americans or less...

Hopefully at least 2% of Americans are still truly patriotic.

Well, "storming" isn't exactly what I had in mind. Primarily because only one, the Fed, is more reliant on physical structures. Second, being non-overt is likely to be more effective.

[Nate K]

You guys just can't wait for violence, can you? You 2nd amendmenters aren't any better than the neocons with the obvious lust for blood you demonstrate

We can resolve this peacefully with civil disobedience and jury nullification

I'm not disagreeing with you but to count on a bloodless revolution without even the thought of a drop of blood spilled may not be entirely rational. I'm sure civil disobedience would've been great in 1776, but I guess push came to shove.

By the way, don't put on your "he's advocating violence" hat just yet..

Didn't endorse a thing.

[orafi]

What about those Americans who will be willing to stand up against the defenderss of liberty and freedom?

[james1906]

What about those Americans who will be willing to stand up against the defenderss of liberty and freedom?

Then we will kick Sean Hannity's ass.

[hadenough]

I've been preparing by watching Braveheart every night. FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMMM!

[hadenough]

Again, people will rise up when they are right for the time. It's not now. Things aren't bad enough yet. Lifestyles haven't dramatically changed yet. When that comes, you will know. When credit cards stop working, when people don't have jobs, and when prices go out of control, we'll see some fireworks. Until then, everything is going to tie over for the short term.

I wouldn't worry about whether or not we have it "in us". We do. We all do. There's no particular race, religion, sex, national origin, or age where we determine our fates. Revolutions have occurred in Africa, North America, South America, Oceania, Asia, and Europe. If people with nothing but a towel to cover their asses can rebel, I suppose Americans can too. It's been going on for a long, long time and no matter what year it is, whether it be 1008, 2008, or 3008, the same rules apply.

Nature has a tendency to clean out the bad stuff. Markets do it, nations do it, wildfires do it, etc. etc. Bad stuff doesn't flourish in this world forever. In the end, the underbrush of corrupt politicians and big government will burn itself out.

Remember Ron Paul saying having a strong currency and a Central Bank is impossible?? His reasoning was the temptation was too great to give humans the power of a printing press. People in the Government that have integrity will do what's necessary. The American People can do the rest.

AMEN to that!

[AdamT]

they have played this out just right.
They gave a large amount of people hope.
That calms the sheep for a little while and it takes longer for them to get mad,
they go into denial because they do not want to admit they had false hope,
then they start making excuses for why obama is doing all sorts of unconstitutional acts, continuing bush's failed policies and building up a police state.

+1000

[Truth Warrior]

Well, they didn't in Hungary in '56, nor in Czechoslovakia in '68, etc., etc., etc. :p :(

[socialize_me]

Well, they didn't in Hungary in '56, nor in Czechoslovakia in '68, etc., etc., etc. :p :(

Truth Warrior, I suggest you look at Zimbabwe today. Hyperinflation is over 231 million percent with predictions of it surpassing 15 quintillion percent in the coming months. Cholera has stricken the country as raw sewage is running in the streets. Approximately half of the population is likely to contract cholera which has killed so far 750 people in the past couple weeks. Hospitals are closed and schools have disappeared as pay for the teachers and doctors isn't enough to even cover the cost of a bus ride.

What's happening now?? The military is revolting. Arrests have been made on Zimbabwe servicemen. That country is on the brink of collapse which is why the United States and the UN do not need to get involved by "liberating" Zimbabwe. The conditions there are horrendous and the political establishment making it so will soon be ousted by its own population.

so take your :p and shove it up your :eek:

[Truth Warrior]

Truth Warrior, I suggest you look at Zimbabwe today. Hyperinflation is over 231 million percent with predictions of it surpassing 15 quintillion percent in the coming months. Cholera has stricken the country as raw sewage is running in the streets. Approximately half of the population is likely to contract cholera which has killed so far 750 people in the past couple weeks. Hospitals are closed and schools have disappeared as pay for the teachers and doctors isn't enough to even cover the cost of a bus ride.

What's happening now?? The military is revolting. Arrests have been made on Zimbabwe servicemen. That country is on the brink of collapse which is why the United States and the UN do not need to get involved by "liberating" Zimbabwe. The conditions there are horrendous and the political establishment making it so will soon be ousted by its own population.

so take your :p and shove it up your :eek: Ron is a non-interventionist and so am I. I was merely answering the thread's title question. Zimbabwe is just another STATIST tragedy and cess pool pit. No surprise there, AT ALL.

Clues for sale.

[tmg19103]

Truth Warrior, I suggest you look at Zimbabwe today. Hyperinflation is over 231 million percent with predictions of it surpassing 15 quintillion percent in the coming months. Cholera has stricken the country as raw sewage is running in the streets. Approximately half of the population is likely to contract cholera which has killed so far 750 people in the past couple weeks. Hospitals are closed and schools have disappeared as pay for the teachers and doctors isn't enough to even cover the cost of a bus ride.

What's happening now?? The military is revolting. Arrests have been made on Zimbabwe servicemen. That country is on the brink of collapse which is why the United States and the UN do not need to get involved by "liberating" Zimbabwe. The conditions there are horrendous and the political establishment making it so will soon be ousted by its own population.

so take your :p and shove it up your :eek:

I hope you are not saying that we have to wait until inflation is at 200 million percent and that half the U.S. is dead from disease and then the government will fail, rather than to stand up to the government by all means possible before things get that bad.

[AutoDas]

I'd be scared shitless if the American populace started rioting. They don't know a thing about economics, freedom, or liberty so what makes them qualified to riot? Odds are they would install a "more perfect union," which would result in less freedoms. The American Revolution was an exception, all other revolutions (more like reactionaries) have resulted in tyranny.

[hadenough]

I'd be scared shitless if the American populace started rioting. They don't know a thing about economics, freedom, or liberty so what makes them qualified to riot? Odds are they would install a "more perfect union," which would result in less freedoms. The American Revolution was an exception, all other revolutions (more like reactionaries) have resulted in tyranny.

Sounds like negative spin to me.

I think alot of Americans are smarter than most "experts" give them credit for and, more importantly, I think most Americans hearts are in the right place. All we need is a catalyst to bring on change.

[acptulsa]

Sounds like negative spin to me.

I think alot of Americans are smarter than most "experts" give them credit for and, more importantly, I think most Americans hearts are in the right place. All we need is a catalyst to bring on change.

Hmpf. Well, the truth is probably in between. But I do think AutoDas has a point, and I think we have a long way to go in our efforts to educate. And I'm not alone:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=130543&page=12

[hadenough]

agreed.

[acptulsa]

The thing is, if we fall down in our moral duty to educate we will wind up with this fact (here articulated by Will Rogers) ruling the day:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1780524&postcount=119

The last thing we need is a revolt which is all motion and no direction, because tptb will step in and provide a direction (and we won't like it).

[hadenough]

I just hope alot more people are like I have been. I really have not cared that much about politics in the past (I am only 29 after all) but recently I have become obsessed over all of these bailouts and the fleecing of America. And no, I haven't been watching Fox news for my info. As time goes by, more and more people will wake up.

[SeanEdwards]

I certainly hope Americans don't ever turn into mobs of thugs looting and burning their own country.

[qh4dotcom]

Where is the outrage in this country? I guess everybody is counting on McBama and the Fed to save the day.

Personally, I don't think Americans have it in them to stand up to their government like the Greeks....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081211/ts_nm/us_greece_unrest

You're right....people need to learn the hard way

[jkm1864]

I have a feeling they will become mobs and thugs looting and raping everything in site. The people lack the intelligence to look up the truth or to yearn for the truth. So any revolution now would be pointless because We would end up with the same in the end. The only revolution that would ever turn out for the better is if the middle class got fed up with the corruption and the slavery. I would never want to poor to revolt because if that ever happened We would surely see communism.

[Number19]

IMO, minorities are more prone to violent outbursts than WASP's. I think there would have been a high probability of this happening in the US had the Supreme Court ruled Obama to be foreign born and not eligible to be POTUS.

For white America to reach this level of outrage, prolonged unemployment will have to reach Great Depression levels and the government will have to be seen as ineffectual. Food, heating, housing and other essentials will have to reach critical levels of shortage.

Look at the Rally For The Republic. Only about 12,000 were dedicated enough, or concerned enough, to travel cross country to show support for our Movement. This is probably about the best we can do under current conditions.

The single issue which might ignite an outburst is if the Left would make the mistake of actually trying to ban guns, and then, using the registration records filled out at the time of purchase, started raiding homes to confiscate these weapons.

[ladyliberty3]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081213/ap_on_re_us/bank_bombing

Bank blast kills police officer in Oregon
By BRAD CAIN, Associated Press Writer Brad Cain, Associated Press Writer Sat Dec 13, 6:23 am ET
WOODBURN, Ore. – A bomb exploded inside a bank here late Friday afternoon, killing a police officer who arrived to check on a suspicious object and seriously injuring two others.

A spokesman for the Oregon State Police, Lt. Gregg Hastings, said a Woodburn police officer died. He did not identify him.

He also said the blast seriously injured the Woodburn police chief and a bomb technician with the Oregon State Police.

The police chief, Scott Russell, was in surgery at a Portland hospital late Friday, said a hospital spokeswoman. Hastings said Russell was in stable condition.

Bank President and CEO Bob Sznewajs told The Associated Press that some bank employees might have been injured by flying glass but that none was seriously hurt.

Before the detonation, a Wells Fargo Bank branch nearby got a call that was "a potential bomb threat" but police searched and found nothing, Sznewajs told The AP.

He said his bank then got a call "from an unknown person saying that we should look for one as well. We called authorities, but they looked and found nothing."

Sznewajs said one employee saw a device in the bushes near the bank and called the authorities. "We looked at it and evacuated the branch and sent people away," he said.

Authorities decided to move the device inside the branch, apparently scanned it, and then it went off, he said.

Sznewajs said he did not know if the bomb went off on its own or as a result of the technicians' investigation.

The Marion County Sheriff's Department said the device detonated at 5:24 p.m. The bank branch, which employs 3-5 people, normally closes at 6 p.m.

Sznewajs said he knew of no previous threats against the bank.

Late Friday night, federal agents were talking with security people at the bank about any information they may have, Sznewajs said.

Woodburn is an agricultural town south of Portland.

[t0rnado]

^In Greece, there are mobs firebombing the banks not just leaving pipebombs or oversized firecrackers around.

[hypnagogue]

Unfortunately, from what I've seen of the riots the rioters have been sporting anarchist or anarcho-socialist emblems. I'm not at all confident that they're rioting for anything good just because they attack many of the same obstacles that we oppose.

[dude58677]

The only way I see America rising up is if the American military started going from house to house roundng people up. They would be armed because it would be impossible to confiscate 200 million guns.

[nbhadja]

I will be a happy man the day mods capture Bernanke, Clinton, Bush, Obama etc and publically hang them.

[tmg19103]

As I read this thread I started, there are good points on how people in the U.S. would not be organized and would instead riot and loot if it came time to overthrow the government.

That is a shame because, to paraphrase Jefferson, the people should not fear the government, the government should fear the people.

And that is the point as I see it today - the government does not fear the people, and I'm not just talking about armed revolt. Congress has less than a 20% approval rating and yet they still get re-elected at a 95% clip. They don't even have to fear for their jobs.

I do believe, and agree, that changing the hearts and minds of the people - especially at the voting booth, is obviously the best way to go.

However, the vast majority of Americans are apathetic sheep who are now counting on the government to "save" them from this financial crisis with their own money.

The way the citizenry has just roled over to these insane bailout plans and the fact that there probably would be looting and rioting as opposed to an organized takeover of the government if things get much worse than they are now shows just how far this country has strayed from what it is supposed to stand for.

Forget about violent revolution that should be avoided if other means are possible - I think the points made in the thread show just how far we have to go just doing things in a civil manner - and it is a long, long, ways to go.

[Patriot123]

No. Because we Americans are "too civilized" to do such a thing. Revolting? Guns? Violence? Damaging property and breaking laws? Those are acts reserved for monkey people.

[/sarcasm]

[Reason]

Americans have been neutered by an extensive indoctrination process. Public schools, corporate media outlets, and various other methods of propaganda have all played their part in that process. Our men act like boys, too busy playing with toys, chasing women and watching football.

On top of that, no one has any principles they're willing to fight for. Truth has been relegated to the realm of opinion, morality is whatever you can get away with, and individual responsibility has been replaced with the self-loving, childish concept of "take care of me/its his fault".

If we ever do have riots like those in Greece, it will not be because a principle has been violated, or one's liberty has been stripped. It will be because the food supply has run out, or for the sake of looting and easy gain.

I doubt America would rise up even if they negated the 2nd amendment.

I couldn't have said it any better.

[Theocrat]

Where is the outrage in this country? I guess everybody is counting on McBama and the Fed to save the day.

Personally, I don't think Americans have it in them to stand up to their government like the Greeks....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081211/ts_nm/us_greece_unrest

Fight like Greece? I'm still waiting on all those anarchists to move to Somolia. They won't even do that!

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Fight like Greece? I'm still waiting on all those anarchists to move to Somolia. They won't even do that!

You and me both, brother.

[cheapseats]

It's hard to say.

On the one hand, it has become painfully obvious that most Americans will not do anything until their own MeMyself&I world is negatively impacted and that, then, a truly disturbing number of them will do whatever it takes to save their own skins. To hell with everyone else is a popular sentiment, which is ironic for prevailing in a quote-unquote Christian nation and then doubly ironic for revealing that the person possessed of such a sentiment is one of the people who will be going to Hell, if one ascribes to the Heaven/Hell paradigm.

On the other hand, my half-century of life experience and my couple years lately immersed in American politics says that the American People . . . as the hard-to-define but easy-to-recognizable Force of Nature not witnessed since World War II . . . can be goaded into a Righteous Fury.

Incredibly, Americans could also just SIT THERE, talking and typing, and let the whole thing go to hell in a hand basket . . . typing furiously about how they KNEW this was gonna happen and how they could have TOLD us what to do.

I believe that these next few months are a turning point in human history, and that this little window before the inauguration is a crossroads.

Without some klieg-bright light shone on the affairs, associations and activities of Obama & Gang, the preamble of our Declaration of Independence sums up our Situation and my Position.

One thing that IS clear is that the people of Western Europe whose bacon we have saved on more than one occasion will, by and large, spectate while we fend for ourselves.

[cheapseats]

So I guess the L.A. riots was a good thing...

The L.A. riots were spontaneous, disorganized and counterproductive.

I could see the fires from my then-bedroom balcony, snug within the protective umbrella of the independent Beverly Hills Police.

That's not my story anymore. I am closer to the action now, note the moniker, and I am telling anyone who will listen that I mean to get out of Dodge before the next Episode.

[Vet_from_cali]

to answer your question, NO.

as long as they have their iPOD, $.99 cheeseburgers and are relatively comfortable, aint s*** going to happen.

[yokna7]

Where is the outrage in this country? I guess everybody is counting on McBama and the Fed to save the day.

Personally, I don't think Americans have it in them to stand up to their government like the Greeks....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081211/ts_nm/us_greece_unrest

No. Because americans on average are actually satisfied with their lives. I know that is hard to believe and I am definately not one of those americans but its actually true. Probably 50-55% combined voted for either McCain or Obama. So the majority voted for the status quo. They voted for no change. So probably 10-15% actually voted third party. So that shows you only 10-15% probably give a damn and want change. The others are still zombies and don't realize what is actually happening until it will be too late.

So it might be a while before the revolution gets enough support to manifest itself into a substantial violent demonstration. Sadly.

[cheapseats]

- the government does not fear the people, and I'm not just talking about armed revolt. Congress has less than a 20% approval rating and yet they still get re-elected at a 95% clip. They don't even have to fear for their jobs.


Exactly so.

As we see by our haste in throwing away civil liberties with both hands, fear is highly motivational.

[Tatsit]

The only way I see America rising up is if the American military started going from house to house roundng people up. They would be armed because it would be impossible to confiscate 200 million guns.

That would almost seem to late wouldn't it?

[cheapseats]

That would almost seem to late wouldn't it?

Too late, not almost too late.

If self-determination could be thusly won and preserved, the Continental Army . . . the Revolutionaries by whose commitment and bravery we are today American and not British . . . would have fought from their respective homes, farms and shops.

Who the hell wants inconvenience? We are more/newer/better/quicker/cheaper folk.

[TinyMachines]

To protect themselves, the rioters would need to riot at the major media outlets. The media is the first thing that needs to be destroyed in our country if the time ever came. Once those are taken off line, we MAY have a slight chance of educating people as to the real reasons we are rioting, and what we are fighting for.
After that, the BANKS. I am sure we could all agree on a few very bad seeds that need to be unsoiled.

[gls]

Thousands of Greek protesters clashed with riot police yet again in Athens today, as police started to run out of tear gas after battling rioters day and night for a whole week.

Police sources said their riot squads had fired 4,600 tear gas canisters this week as rioters torched hundreds of banks and shops and occupied their campuses, where police after forbidden by law from entering.

The police have asked Israel and Germany to send them emergency supplies, while protesters claimed that they had been using old stock from the 1980s in a desperate bid to contain the rioting. They claimed that corroded chemicals were causing some demonstrators to collapse and need medical attention.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5331547.ece

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Plus -- a state of affairs that is exceedingly favorable to the Status Quo and the High Flyers who grease off the Status Quo -- most people have bona fide obligations, people who rely upon them. If they would march off to slay dragons, what would become of everyone at home? They would be more vulnerable than ever.

The REAL question is whether U.S. citizens, including law enforcement . . . finally realizing that, to the Powers That Be, they are as expendable and replaceable as the next Serf . . . will PROTECT American freedom fighters rather than cooperate with Authorities.

At least that's what I IMAGINE would be the question at the front of Freedom Fighters' minds. What do I know? The Brady Bunch, My Three Sons, FATHER KNOWS BEST, my own dysfunctional family -- not even tres hip urbanite Cliff Huxtable -- have not prepared me for THIS. Some of those Bewitched and/or I Dream of Jeannie capabilities would be swell. Maybe Harry Potter's invisibility cloak.

You'd think that the Supreme Court casually declining to ascertain whether our president-elect is eligible to assume the throne would be enough to cement loyalty among beleaguered citizens but candidly, after the Obama two-step-double-time bamboozle, there's no doubt in my mind that a frightening number of Americans would have lined right up behind Hitler.

[Mesogen]

When will we use bitchin lasers on cops?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1094892/Greek-rioters-use-lasers-police-violence-boys-death-continues-second-week.html

Looks like the new Terminator trailer.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/15/article-0-02CC464A000005DC-127_468x382.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/15/article-1094892-02CC3136000005DC-797_468x394.jpg

http://www.wickedlasers.com/

[Tatsit]

Here is what I think, and what I have been viewing.

A very large chunk of American people know what is going on, and they do not like it. In fact more people see what is going on then that do not.

Many who do do not see it, is not that they are stupid, is that they are simply naive but even a large chunk of them are sensing somethings is wrong but just think these are bad times... so the other half of the population is everyone else who has not a single clue, or will follow Obama with out a thought.

So, I think though most of us want a nonviolent revolution but I think many of us feel that despite our efforts it may just come down to that, and some feel we should be revolting now.

I am on both sides of that fence. What we are doing now is highly important and getting the word out and building support is extremely important. Building support gives us more allies and more people to spread the words.

In addition to building support, it helps build the grass roots and helps to promote the people we need in government to bring back our values.

On the other hand, when this turns into a violent revolution all the support will be a lot less amount of people we have to convince. Look at it like this - if things get ugly people who were informed prior to it happening will more likely side with the good guys. The others will believe whatever FOX news is telling them.

There are people right now, by the thousands who are just waiting for the right moment to rise up violently - but they are being watched like hawks and they know it. They know any move they make they will be the first taken out - and if they move to quickly it would be in vain.

On the other note, those who are fed up and ready to fight are just waiting for that so called shot heard around the world sort of speak. I think that even they do not want a violent revolution but are ready for it.

I think if it started, militia's would lead the charge and people would join them by the hundreds and thousands, though it would not be right off the way, unless the government did something on the extreme side. It would be a slow start but would gain momentum quickly.

But now we have to look at the big picture and like one person already said, who are we fighting? The government, the United states military, United nations, militarized police? all of them?

Think about that a moment. It will be the worst this country has ever experienced. however... There is one thing these elites do not understand!

WE are AMERICANS! WE know what freedom is! WE know what it means to have a pride for the land our fathers, grandfathers and so on have fought and died for!

Look at 911 - Look at the day after, I saw an American Pride that we have not seen since pearl Harbor - and I am starting to see it again! We ARE Americans!
This is OUR land!

It is EVERY Americans duty to fight and protect it, to protect the freedom that our ancestors who gave those rights to us we owe it to them... we owe it to our children!

Only WE can save this land and you know what?? Those bastards at the top of the pyramid can not fathom the pride we have as Americans, they DO NOT KNOW!
How can they?

I salute all of you! Just being here is fighting for your rights and freedoms! I hope to gawd that we can win with out war. However if it happens, I will fight side by side with each of you that are willing to fight for freedom

[kirkblitz]

Americans will never rebel in sufficient Numbers to win, the one that do rebel will not have followers because the people sitting at home watching cnn/foxnewss will just think they are racists or some other smear used against them. Its probably over guys, America is dead. Celebrate your new found chains. We passed the tipping point along time ago.

[akihabro]

So I guess the L.A. riots was a good thing...
Are you serious? It resulted in angry people burning down/looting their own neighborhoods and businesses. I seriously doubt anything was accomplished except venting of frustrations and free stolen goods.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Its a well know historical fact that the founding fathers rioted, torched buildings, and overturned horse drawn carriages to protest the tea tax.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well..most Am,ericans remember what happened at WACO...it was like the government said "If you stand against us we will burn you up and your children". so, I guess there is an element of fear..not so much for themselves, but for their families, because look at Waco and Ruby Ridge. These barstards have no souls. Now, Rush Limbaugh had good things to say against Colin (traitor) Powell and John (idiot) mccain:

Rush Responds to General Powell

December 15, 2008


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RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank all of you for your e-mails of support regarding this interview that Colin Powell did on CNN yesterday. The whole thing wears me out. It's nothing new except now it's coming from ostensibly the Republican Party. Now, Snerdley is livid, many of my staff and friends are livid. To me, it's not that big a deal. I think Powell's premise -- and I understand what's going on -- I think Powell's premise is all wrong. The Republican Party needs to stop listening to me. Basically, what that means is the Republican Party's gotta throw you overboard; the Republican Party can't win as long as it is defined by people like you and me, those of you in this audience. The simple fact of the matter is, folks, what makes this funny to me is that the Republican Party's not listened to me in the last two years. And you might even say in matters of policy and so forth, the Republican Party hasn't been listening to me for the last six years. And you might even say that the Republican Party is in the situation it's in precisely because of the people like Colin Powell and John McCain and others who have devised this new definition and identity of the party which is responsible for electing Democrats all over this country.

So I think it's actually somewhat funny. I really do. They're not listening to me, and I don't do this program for these people to listen to me. They misunderstand the whole point of this program and what we do here. The Democrats and the liberals always have, and I guess McCain and Colin Powell are showing their true colors. Here is Colin Powell telling the Republican Party what to do after he voted for Obama! I know what really has Colin Powell upset, it's because I said his endorsement of Obama was about race, and I'm not supposed to say those things. These things are supposed to go unsaid. The Republican Party nominated Powell's perfect candidate. The guy's going after moderates, independents, Democrats, a guy who is not conservative at all, McCain, didn't stand up for much conservative, and he's out there now saying he won't support Palin if she seeks the presidency again, or he might not.

Colin Powell, ladies and gentlemen, insists that conservatives and Republicans support candidates who will appeal to minorities like I guess McCain who led the effort for amnesty. He insists that conservatives and Republicans move to the center like McCain, who calls himself a maverick for doing so. General Powell insists that conservatives and Republicans provide an open tent to different ideas and views, like I guess McCain, who repeatedly trashed Republicans and made nice with Democrats. I mean, their tent's big, they just don't want us in it. John McCain is and was Colin Powell's ideal candidate. All these moderates, Bill Weld, all these moderates that crossed the aisle and voted for Obama, they got their ideal candidate, and they got their ideal campaign in McCain. Once McCain was nominated as the Republican candidate, largely by independents and Democrats voting in Republican primaries, Colin Powell waited 'til the last minute, when it would do the most damage to McCain and the Republicans and endorsed Obama. And when I said it was largely about race, that's what set 'em all off, you're not supposed to say these kinds of things. This is supposed to go unspoken.

So if we try to understand Powell's thinking, which is difficult since it's incoherent, we should have all voted for McCain in the primaries, and once he was nominated, we should have voted for Obama for president. That's what we should have all done, if you listen to what Powell said on CNN yesterday. There's something interesting -- and Snerdley picked up on this -- he said that Powell in the CNN interview is talking to Republican leaders about tossing me out, when I'm not in. (laughing) This remains to me to be the funny thing here. It would be one thing if Republicans were listening to me and going down in flames, but they're not, and they haven't for the longest time. So Powell is talking to Republican leaders about tossing me out of the party, and people should stop listening to me and helping Democrats with any legislation that might be aimed at taming talk radio. This is what Snerdley thinks he meant by virtue of what he said in that interview. He did say he's talking to the leaders -- leaders of what? The Republican Party? He's getting together to talk with the leaders about me? When was the last time I was on a ballot? When was the last time I raised money? When was the last time I wrote a plank in the party platform?


I wish my parents were alive. I say this at least once a week. They wouldn't believe, here we are, ladies and gentlemen, in the midst of an economic crisis, an automobile potential bailout, now we got this Bernard Madoff thing that's happened, and this is fascinating, this is overwhelmingly fascinating to me, when you understand what happened, all of this going on, we got reporters in Baghdad throwing a shoe at George W. Bush and the Drive-By Media here in this country is very excited about it. Fact of the matter is, ladies and gentlemen, this incident shows that we have succeeded in Iraq. Had this guy thrown his shoe at Saddam Hussein, he would have been shot five minutes later. This guy is still alive to be made a star by the Drive-By Media around the world. Long live freedom; long live democracy.

What's going on here with this Colin Powell thing is that the Washington establishment -- Powell's not a Republican. McCain's not a Republican. These guys are not even mavericks. They are Washingtonians. Washingtonians have their own culture and their own desires, and it is to matter. They don't care who's in power, they just want to be closely associated with whoever is. That's the name of the game and they want press adulation. They want to be loved and adored by the media, they want fawning treatment, they want to be thought of as something special, unique, dignified and so forth, and that's the Washington establishment. These guys are Washingtonians. And what is a Washingtonian? Who are these people? Ladies and gentlemen, they have driven this economy into the toilet. Washingtonians are tone deaf in terms of how you and I actually live and the things that matter and are important to us. Washingtonians are grabbing as much power for themselves right now as possible. Washington does not live in the rest of the country, does not live in the same world we do. What they're doing now is looking for ways to silence opposition. They don't care about the timid ineffective opposition. They like Republicans and conservatives who are ashamed of their views and their fellow citizens. What they want to do is silence people like me because they can't abide debate or opposition or challenges to their status and their authority.

So General Powell, let me explain something. The fact is Republicans did not listen to me. They listened to you. They have not been listening to me for years. The Republican Party nominated your ideal candidate. They nominated your guy, a moderate, who's willing to buy into an endless array of liberal causes, from global warming -- there's an AP story out today that says we are cooling this year, and by the way, record lows in Denver, we have record lows in Montana. We actually have a story on global warming from the AP today, and in the last couple paragraphs it says -- Rachel, you'll love this, because I know you think Algore is a genius -- it says here that this cooling perfectly illustrates how the world is warming. Folks, we got more problems than you can possibly imagine. That's just lunacy. That is just insanity. And that's modern journalism. We're freezing our butts off. We have our fifth cold front that went through here, and we normally haven't had the first one yet. Five cold fronts! Cold for us, but I mean look it, weather is weather. Record lows in Denver. And all of this freezing cold points out how the world is so rapidly warming, it perfectly illustrates it, the guy says.

He quotes a scientist here that says species are going extinct like never before, and I've got a story about 70 brand-new species discovered in the Mekong Delta. We can't trust anything that we see in the media anymore. It's all agenda oriented, and it's all oriented toward the agenda of Washingtonians. As long as you are a Republican, but you buy into an endless array of liberal causes, global warming to amnesty for illegals, and somebody who has the same fetish for compromising principles that you do, then they are going to love you. Then you turn around and you stab this person in the back by endorsing the most liberal Democrat candidate ever nominated days before the election, General Powell? You want to lecture me about how the Republican Party needs to stop listening to me when they are not? They are listening to you. I also have to question something here. How can he say he's a Republican? He gets the perfect Republican nominee, exactly the kind of candidate he wants, it's McCain, and then he sabotages McCain a few weeks before the election by endorsing Obama. How can you even claim to be a Republican, General Powell? When have you ever stuck your neck out for Republicans and conservatives? Never. I mean sabotage George W. Bush with the Armitage leak and Scooter Libby, that's just one thing, but Ronald Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43 all helped advance General Powell's career.


Now, there are exceptional military men and women throughout our nation who could have served as national security advisor or chairman of the chief joints of staff, to quote Rita X, many ex-military people who could have been the secretary of state. Hell, Hillary can do it, anybody can do it. I'm sure you did a good job, General Powell, certainly nothing exceptional, you're no George Marshall. But I can't think of a single occasion where Secretary Powell stepped up to the plate for the Republican Party or the conservative movement. I think of many times when he has not done so or even worse. I've noticed on the one hand General Powell claims to stand above politics as a big claim to fame. Yet, on the other hand, he jumps in from time to time, but only to attack the conservative base of the Republican Party. When's the last time, the first time, when is any time he has let loose or criticized a liberal Democrat on any issue? Now, here's the problem. General Powell, and folks, this problem I think is systemic in the Republican Party in Washington. People like General Powell seek to ingratiate themselves with the people who despise the Republican Party and despise the conservative movement. They're out there preaching moderation all along the way, when instead you should be preaching principle.

Principle is what got you where you are. Moderation is what keeps you where you are with this great reputation, great image but no substance, no principles, no core belief. If somebody had to tell you who Colin Powell is, what would they say? What does he stand for? What does General Powell stand for? What does John McCain stand for? You don't know. There aren't any core beliefs you can go rat-tat-tat down the list and say, yep, this is who they are. Was Abraham Lincoln great because he saw compromise during the Civil War or was he great because he insisted on total and complete victory? Great people take stands on principle, not moderation. Some of us think that individual liberty, limited constitutional government, and increased support for the military by civilians are principles worth defending. Maybe General Powell can enlighten us, since he's failed to do that so far on the great liberal or moderate Democrat principles that seem to intrigue him. What is it about Obama that intrigued him? What are these principles? Or was it the way Obama speaks?

General Powell says we need to reach out to Hispanic, blacks, and Asians. Well, how do we do that? What kind of message does he suggest? I never hear the "how" to do it. I just hear we need to do it. And in my mind, we already have the blueprint for how to do it. We have done it successfully. We abandoned the blueprint. It's called individual freedom, liberty, and not seeing them as Hispanics and not seeing them as Asians and not seeing them as blacks or minorities, but rather seeing them as Americans, human beings. Liberals look at people and groupify them and then think of them with contempt. I mean are all black people identical thinkers, if we understand what one of them thinks we know how to get to all of them, is that true? Same thing with Asians? Same thing with Hispanics? General Powell has no vision. He is not in touch with the public in any meaningful way. He's a Washingtonian. He's not in touch with the public. He lives in a bubble so he doesn't have to expose himself to contrary arguments. He just has to accept accolades from the people he treasures and values most, his buddies and the media. He doesn't add anything to the public discussion. What has he added to the public discussion? What has he done to advance a principle? He is constantly peddling his identity and his reputation rather than anything substantive or insightful.

I'm sure he's a delightful person with his friends and I'm sure he's charitable with his time and his money, but he has no idea what he's talking about when he presumes to dictate how Republicans and conservatives should build a governing majority. One of the things he said is he resents Sarah Palin because she kept talking about small towns. He said nobody lives in small towns and that's why they're small. "I'm from the Bronx. Something wrong with my values?" he asked. What is this hatred for conservatives and small town people and Sarah Palin? It's because they are effective. They represent challenges to the Washingtonians' control of the Republican Party. I know a lot of people that are from the Bronx, General Powell, and if you think the values there in the Bronx today reflect the ones you grew up with, take a trip back and see if the street corners and the activities there are the same as when you were growing up, General Powell. Quick time-out. I spent more time on this than I intended to because we got other things to do.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Let me get this straight. The guy who has supported the Republican candidate for president should be thrown out of the party. That would be me. But the guy who bolted and sabotaged the Republican nominee by endorsing the Democrat candidate should stay in and be part of the team that determines what the Republican Party is going to be. The turncoat, General Powell, is the one who the party is gonna listen to? McCain's a moderate. I supported McCain. Powell, who wants a moderate, did not support McCain. It's unreal. It's just incredible. Look, I'm trying to be a little humble here, but it's hard when you got all this other stuff going on and Republicans out there now continue to trash me. It's flattering; it is amazing. At the same time, it's mind-boggling how I get under their skin. What I'm learning now, folks, it really doesn't matter about party. It's not getting under Republicans' skin now. It's getting under the skin of Washingtonians. It's getting under the skin of the Big Government people. These are liberals. There's no such thing as a moderate Republican. A moderate Republican is a liberal. General Powell, says, "I'm a fiscal conservative; I don't like the social stuff." What's wrong with the social side? It's abortion. But it's more than that, it's Washingtonianism.

[Godfather89]

We need to have a contingency plan of our own, one based around these two questions:

1. How will you spread the information when the internet is "reasonably restricted," to others? - I mean its our weakness, the net is the main way in which most of us get our news and information and likewise spread it as well. So you must be prepared to get this information out to others, without the internet. Being that the net is not yet restricted than guess what? It presents us with an excellent oppurtunity to share how we can do this.

2. When things get violent, what will you do? - Its becoming more and more likely a situation where violent revolution is the only option feasible. So, we must prepare ourselves when this occurs to get more people to side with the revolutionaries and not the globalists. You must prepare yourself to continue the intellectual revolution and support the physical one that, unfortunately is to come. Being that the net is not yet restricted than guess what? It presents us with an excellent oppurtunity to share how we can do this.

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You must prepare yourself on all levels of being (spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and physically). You must know yourself, what you are fighting for and where you are fighting. When I say "know yourself" I dont mean your (dis)likes I mean KNOW YOURSELF which means to push your limits and to know what you are capable of. This will make you all the more freer. In terms of psychology make sure your motivation is towards something not running away from something.

Our motivation is not to "runaway from" big government, lots of taxes and slavery. No, our motivation is to "run to" small government, low taxes, and freedom. That is basic Neuro-Linguistic Programming for you though, setting up your motivational source. The idea is to move towards something because if you runaway from something than once that "something" you've been running away from disappears than guess what? You no longer feel motivated.

We are trying to set up a new world, where we have the Republic restored and civil liberties protected. A world where there is REAL Prosperity and REAL Freedom. We cannot allow these men and women who are part of the globalist scam to just "get away with it" and let them "entertain us" back into sleep only to have them do this to some future generation. No, the New World Order by The People will not be tainted by the special interests of the elite. The new world that will be formed will be formed on a pure desire for people to live a life of freedom and happiness.

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For those who are Christians, we must crucify our daily concerns and focus largely on the concerns of this greater cause. Our motivation is love and compassion, our guidance is by reason, and our actions are based on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. To share some Gnostic Christian Wisdom:

"Speak concerning the truth to those who seek it and of knowledge to those who, in their error, who have missed the mark. Make sure-footed those who stumble and stretch forth your hands to the sick. Nourish the hungry and set at ease those who are troubled. Foster men who love. Raise up and awaken those who sleep. For you are this understanding which encourages. If the strong follow this course, they are even stronger. Turn your attention to yourselves."

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Americans will never rebel in sufficient Numbers to win, the one that do rebel will not have followers because the people sitting at home watching cnn/foxnewss will just think they are racists or some other smear used against them.

Normally -- America's version thereof, which is pretty much S.N.A.F.U. when examined from perspectives of rationality and spirituality -- I would agree with you, indeed have many times said pretty much the same.

I believe, however, that right now is different.

Squaring off against Barack Obama's brazen purchase of the presidency, the implied implementation of Mob Rule, a more-than-implied pro-black agenda, and an unmistakably status quo crew of cabinet appointees, I believe that right now is an epic Seize The Moment window of opportunity. I believe that the people can absolutely be roused out of their lethargy at this time . . . hence the beefed up law enforcement, the deployment of U.S. troops on U.S. soil and the construction of detention facilities.

Everything went too far, though. Lay Folk AND Active Military know they're gettin' screwed. Wait 'til the big layoffs after the first of the year. Against a backdrop of bailouts to the tune of billions -- which, no matter how you cut the cake, have mitigated the losses of the richest men on earth -- I think we can anticipate a host of variations on the theme of the factory takeover in the Midwest.

Stay tuned for a petition addressing imprisonment of corrupt executives and officials -- along with seizure of assets, forfeiture of pensions and lifetime bans from American politics -- also calling for the execution of 1776 flat-out Traitors. I sense bloodthirstiness on the part of the Public, also a gut-level knowledge that without enjoining drastic consequences upon those who perpetrated and those who facilitated the Financial Crisis, we will get only get more of the same and worse.





Its probably over guys, America is dead. Celebrate your new found chains. We passed the tipping point along time ago.

"Passed the tipping point a long time ago" is completely at odds with "probably." And I will posit that the American public is EXACTLY that schizophrenic. Between terrorist threats, rampant crime, three extra zeroes on the sums that everyone is suddenly flinging around, we have been driven NUTS. Dolly Parton in Steel Magnolias, "Poor Sammy, he doesn't know whether to scratch his watch or wind his butt."

It is not over, we are not past the tipping point until we're dead.

We DO have to be willing to die, however, there is THAT. The good news is that the Ruling Elite is even MORE afraid of dying -- small wonder, they have a lot more to lose.

[ihsv]

Thought this was interesting:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/19/europe/letter.php

[thetruthhurtsthefed]

North America will NEVER revolt. Like sheep, they will obey their handler as long as there is bread and water on the table (but no house). Europe's education system teaches to question anything and authority. The people in Greece are not rioting just because they woke up one day and decided.......they are NOT allowing the government (US installed) do what it wants (cut pensions in half, force students to pay for school, cut benefits AND increase taxes.....brilliant!) the people of Greece have reason and they are showing their power (doctors, civil servants, airport, waste, all hospital staff etc...... are joinging in) the country is coming together to fight not just "anarchists" Have you noticed the police aren't doing much? Wonder why, because they don't support their puppet govn't either!
America is too scared and doesn't realize what power they have as a people, BUT they are afraid of losing their job, going to jail, not filing, breaking a finger nail. Wake up, the govn't cannot jail everyone or punish everyone. Imagine if everyone one said no, what would washington do? Threaten of course, but that is it! The people have the power but 'Merica would rather watch NASCAR or Football and feel comfortable while their govn't steals from them for the sake of its own security.......the govn't knows they can be ousted in a heartbeat but they continue to threaten and give false hope. Good luck sheep

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On the first day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy

On the second day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Two chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the third day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Three Fre-ench whores
Two chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the fourth day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Four calling bids
Three Fre-ench whores
Two chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the fifth day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
FIIIVE GOLD NESTEGGS
Fo-our calling bids
Three French whores
Two-o chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the sixth day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Six bailouts bailing
FIIIVE GOLD NESTEGGS
Fo-our calling bids
Three French whores
Two-o chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the seventh day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Seven geysers gushing
Six bailouts bailing
FIIIVE GOLD NESTEGGS
Fo-our calling bids
Three French whores
Two-o chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the eighth day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Eight cartels colluding
Seven geysers gushing
Six bailouts bailing
FIIIVE GOLD NESTEGGS
Fo-our calling bids
Three French whores
Two-o chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the ninth day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Nine warships warring
Eight cartels colluding
Seven geysers gushing
Six bailouts bailing
FIIIVE GOLD NESTEGGS
Fo-our calling bids
Three French whores
Two-o chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the tenth day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Ten senators scamming
Nine warships warring
Eight cartels colluding
Seven geysers gushing
Six bailouts bailing
FIIIVE GOLD NESTEGGS
Fo-our calling bids
Three French whores
Two-o chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the eleventh day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Eleven lawyers lying
Ten senators scamming
Nine warships warring
Eight cartels colluding
Seven geysers gushing
Six bailouts bailing
FIIIVE GOLD NESTEGGS
Fo-our calling bids
Three French whores
Two-o chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the twelfth day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Twelve taxpayers paying
Eleven lawyers lying
Ten senators scamming
Nine warships warring
Eight cartels colluding
Seven geysers gushing
Six bailouts bailing
FIIIVE GOLD NESTEGGS
Fo-our calling bids
Three French whores
Two-o chicken hawks
A-and lip ser-vice to dem-o-cracy.

On the thirteenth day of Christmas
My Changed Loves gave to me
Fruitcakes and Mi-is-er-y.

But then at the New Year
I to my Changed Loves sent
notice of declared in-de-pen-dence.

http://rhymeoverreason.com/

[torchbearer]

Its a well know historical fact that the founding fathers rioted, torched buildings, and overturned horse drawn carriages to protest the tea tax.

At the time, it was all the King's property.
Everything you had was given as a privilege from the King.

[Mortikhi]

One million is about a third of a percent of the total population in the United States of America.

If you're talking about legal adults, that's a different story.
and roughly the size of the US military combined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States#Personnel_in_each_se rvice

[thetruthhurtsthefed]

At the time, it was all the King's property.
Everything you had was given as a privilege from the King.

And EVERYTHING you own can be taken from you since it is privelege from the government/Fed/IMF/world bank. Please tell me that you DON"T think you own what you have?! Stop paying your cards, income tax, property tax and see what happens to your possessions....they confiscate it all and sell it.....beautiful

Done with this

[torchbearer]

At the time, it was all the King's property.
Everything you had was given as a privilege from the King.

And EVERYTHING you own can be taken from you since it is privelege from the government/Fed/IMF/world bank. Please tell me that you DON"T think you own what you have?! Stop paying your cards, income tax, property tax and see what happens to your possessions....they confiscate it all and sell it.....beautiful

Done with this

I own a few items that only be taken from me by my death.
I don't own my house because i pay property taxes.
I don't own my vehicle because I pay the government for the privilege to drive it.

But I do own my guitars, amps, studio equipment, computers, tools of the trades, clothes, etc.

[mconder]

No. Americans are pathetic imbeciles.