Kucinich = pro-AutoBailout

[Jeremy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXBR3KtAL_A

There's Kucinich talking about why he thinks America should give three companies a lot of taxpayer money (using violence to get that money of course). Debating Scott Garret, who was endorsed by Murray Sabrin.

[No1ButPaul08]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXBR3KtAL_A

There's Kucinich talking about why he thinks America should give three companies a lot of taxpayer money (using violence to get that money of course). Debating Scott Garret, who endorsed Murray Sabrin if you remember.

Scott Garrett endorsed Murray? I didn't know that

[Jeremy]

Scott Garrett endorsed Murray? I didn't know that

I'm also seeing that Murray Sabrin endorsed Garett... I think they endorsed each other. Well I'll just say that Garett was endorsed by Sabrin in the first post because that makes more sense for what I was trying to say.

[Kludge]

How surprising...! :rolleyes:

[acptulsa]

Isn't it ironic how much the communists love their czars? If only Nicholas, Anastasia et all were so fortunate...

[tonesforjonesbones]

Democrats are for it because a lot of their campaign money and votes come from UNIONS. Republicans are rejected by UNIONs..and you should be NICER to republicans because they have been against the bail outs from the beginning. I guarantee you the ONLY reason they caved on the initial bail out was because they were strong armed. Ron Paul is about the only one they know they can't manipulate...the others..well..they could fear for their lives on these things..especially with those bankers. They don't bother with Ron Paul because nobody takes him seriously...much to their peril. Tones

[socialize_me]

WOW Did you guys catch what Kucinich said in that piece?

"Even if the Big 3 wanted to close down, we shouldn't let them"

Talk about Communism! So if a business wants to declare bankruptcy or wind up their business altogether, the government will deny them that and force them to continue operating??? Don't we have a 13th amendment?? I know corporations don't fall under Constitutional protections some of the time, but this is disgusting. Where the fuck does Congress get the power or Kucinich get this idea that he or Congress have the power to force Ford, GM, or Chrysler, to stay operating if they determine they don't want to? Who the fuck is Congress to tell ANYONE that?

[HOLLYWOOD]

WOW Did you guys catch what Kucinich said in that piece?

"Even if the Big 3 wanted to close down, we shouldn't let them"

Talk about Communism! So if a business wants to declare bankruptcy or wind up their business altogether, the government will deny them that and force them to continue operating??? Don't we have a 13th amendment?? I know corporations don't fall under Constitutional protections some of the time, but this is disgusting. Where the fuck does Congress get the power or Kucinich get this idea that he or Congress have the power to force Ford, GM, or Chrysler, to stay operating if they determine they don't want to? Who the fuck is Congress to tell ANYONE that?

Communism is the $850 BILLION throwaway that 85% of the people objected and didn't want, yet the government did what they wanted and dictated the policies and operations over the people.

Communism is the Centralized Bank system with Classified Dictatorial Operations of the NON government Federal Reserve controlling the people inflation taxes and artificially inflating everything to tax the poor and middle majority masses.

Socialism is the STIMULUS wastepaper Checks... additional unemployment insurance, welfare statism, land of entitlements, amnesties, etc...

Socialism is stealing from all to give to some. Socialism is isolating and classifying the masses into groups, determining which groups, races, classes, locations, employment status, government status...get what...


Kucinich would loose his seat if he voted NO... Ohio is wiped-up on employment, it this show you that government themselves LIE about the unemployed/job loss totals.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

In the grand scheme of things, this bailout is tiny. The real issue is the behind-the-scenes occurrences which lead us to this point, which Kucinich is an ardent opponent of.

It would be different if he'd also supported the 700 billion, but he fought that tooth and nail. This is merely a respectable difference.

Besides, if Kucinich were at the helm, we would have a surplus and a balanced budget that would make a bailout like this completely unnecessary, and, if passed anyway, unnoticeable.

[paulitics]

The real travesty was the banker's bailout bill. Kucinich was vocally against it. This bailout bill does have some merits to it, and is about 1/1000 the cost of the banker's.

If the auto industry goes belly up, we are in a world of mess. We have very few industries where we make a product in this country. Yes, Kucinich is a Democrat and well, they have a set of beiliefs contrary to our side. But, I'd rather debate a principled Democrat like Kucinich that some neo-liberal like the Obama/Bush/ Clinton types who will rape this country gladly.

Kucinich is not the enemy, the other liberal dems and neocons who votes for the 10 trillion dollar banker's bailout are the enemy. 15 billion with strings is a pittance in the overall scheme of things. I am leaning against it, to hopefully end this degeneration into socialism/fascism, otherwise it does have some merit depending on your political leanings.

[LibertyEagle]

It has NO merit. GM does not have a plan. What makes you think they'll be able to turn their company around? They won't and mark my words, they will be back at the trough in short order to beg for more money. The only chance they have is to declare bankruptcy, renegotiate the labor contract and hire new management at the top. Then, and only then, they stand a small chance. I'm not too sure though, who exactly they think they're going to sell their cars too. People are not spending money and are making due with the car they have.

[paulitics]

It has NO merit. GM does not have a plan. What makes you think they'll be able to turn their company around? They won't and mark my words, they will be back at the trough in short order to beg for more money. The only chance they have is to declare bankruptcy, renegotiate the labor contract and hire new management at the top. Then, and only then, they stand a small chance. I'm not too sure though, who exactly they think they're going to sell their cars too. People are not spending money and are making due with the car they have.


I mostly agree with you, and would rather the government stick their noses out completely. I am totally against the idea of a car czar. However, a loan to get through the next several months would make more sense if it could keep the company still running. The high gas prices crushed their business, and since gas prices have fallen, maybe they can liquidate their gas guzzlers alot easier. The companies also produces all of their car parts which is substantial, and vital for the economy.

I'm still against the idea overall, but I can see why a Democrat can debate in favor of it, where as the 10 trillion dollar theft of the American taxpayer is a whole other issue, and there is no moral justification for it.

[Josh_LA]

no s---!

[ShannonOBrien]

I'm sad to hear that from Dennis. He is above this.

[purplechoe]

I'm sad to hear that from Dennis. He is above this.

This and endorsing Obama? He's loosing a lot of respect around here.

[angelatc]

I'm sad to hear that from Dennis. He is above this.

He is a Democrat and very pro-union. Do the math.

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

I'm shocked!-Shocked!- that a democrat would support a bailout of the Big 3 and the Unions.


I wonder if Dennis could point out the section of the Constitution that gives the Congress this power, on his pocket sized constitutuion he always carries. Or maybe his copy is different from Congressman Paul's.

[ladyjade3]

I'm sad to hear that from Dennis. He is above this.

He is from Ohio.

[dannno]

Democrats are for it because a lot of their campaign money and votes come from UNIONS. Republicans are rejected by UNIONs..and you should be NICER to republicans because they have been against the bail outs from the beginning.

Why is our buddy Brad Sherman for the auto bailouts??

He was the one talking about threats of martial law during the Wall St. Bailouts..

Edit: NM, he's a dem..



I guarantee you the ONLY reason they caved on the initial bail out was because they were strong armed. Ron Paul is about the only one they know they can't manipulate...

Ya apparently..

[nbhadja]

I mostly agree with you, and would rather the government stick their noses out completely. I am totally against the idea of a car czar. However, a loan to get through the next several months would make more sense if it could keep the company still running. The high gas prices crushed their business, and since gas prices have fallen, maybe they can liquidate their gas guzzlers alot easier. The companies also produces all of their car parts which is substantial, and vital for the economy.

I'm still against the idea overall, but I can see why a Democrat can debate in favor of it, where as the 10 trillion dollar theft of the American taxpayer is a whole other issue, and there is no moral justification for it.

1. That is anti free market.
2. It is propping up a failure of a company.
3. It is delaying the inevitable while causing more problems.

And finally....that is exactly how we got into this mess!

Let the terrible company GM die. They suck at making cars.

[nbhadja]

Dennis is a communist.