Has anyone reached out to the Log Cabin Republicans: Gay Republican Organization

[Rivington Essex]

OK.

[ChairmanMao]

Gonna pass this along to the guys in Kansas City, I love when people get these kinds of ideas!

[JosephTheLibertarian]

He's not pro or anti gay when he said on Google that he supports "free associations" among individuals and opposes a defining of marriage between a man and a woman?

[LibertyBelle]

He's not pro or anti gay when he said on Google that he supports "free associations" among individuals and opposes a defining of marriage between a man and a woman?

When did he say he opposes defining of marriage between a man and a woman in all circumstances? Link please. He talks lots about what isn't the fed government's role, but that doesn't mean he opposes the definition of marriage between man/woman at the state level.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

When did he say he opposes defining of marriage between a man and a woman in all circumstances? Link please. He talks lots about what isn't the fed government's role, but that doesn't mean he opposes the definition of marriage between man/woman at the state level.

NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul_Civil_Rights.htm#2004-484

you need to think... would the LP nominate a guy that wants a ban on abortion and a ban on gay marriage? lol common sense.

It's the same thing with drugs. He may feel it's moraly wrong to do drugs, but does he support a ban? no. NORML supports him. It's the same thing with abortion and gay marriage. How is he against both for his personal opinions? Same difference. He believes it's morally wrong, yet votes against his emotions.

NORML loves him even though he believes drug use is morally wrong. He's pro life and against gay marriage for the same reason? lol cmon now. You don't say he's pro life just because he says he is, you go by his voting record. You don't say he's against gay marriage, look at how he votes.

[Kregener]

Lets spend a TON of effort and energy going after 3% of the population that voteds for Democrats EN MASSE as if asleep.

[mdh]

you need to think... would the LP nominate a guy that wants a ban on abortion and a ban on gay marriage? lol common sense.


With regards to gay marriage, you make a good point. With regards to abortion, there are actually quite a few LP'ers who feel that abortion infringes upon the rights of the unborn and is tantamount to homicide (and like homicide, should be legislated not by the federal government, but by the states).

[JosephTheLibertarian]

With regards to gay marriage, you make a good point. With regards to abortion, there are actually quite a few LP'ers who feel that abortion infringes upon the rights of the unborn and is tantamount to homicide (and like homicide, should be legislated not by the federal government, but by the states).

they're a minority though.

[mdh]

Lets spend a TON of effort and energy going after 3% of the population that voteds for Democrats EN MASSE as if asleep.

You'd be surprised. There are a lot of conservative folks in the GLBT community who feel disenfranchised by the theocratic sorts. They don't really have anyone in the big two parties to vote for, the most GLBT folks who vote tend to be those who are also socialists who vote for the Dems...

[mdh]

they're a minority though.

You'd be surprised. :cool:

[OURPLAN]

CHECK OUT THIS YOU TUBE VIDEO.

MAYBE WE COULD CONTACT THIS MAN.

HE'S AWESOME!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2yIxMtQLZU

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You'd be surprised. :cool:

Well, I guess I would have to disagree with them. I believe that abortion is a state matter. Why is it HARD to define life? Because it is always based on someone's opinion lol. I believe that forcing a woman to sustain life is a violation of her rights.

I don't like abortions but I believe that we shouldn't be forcing people to sustain life.

[mdh]

Well, I guess I would have to disagree with them. I believe that abortion is a state matter. Why is it HARD to define life? Because it is always based on someone's opinion lol. I believe that forcing a woman to sustain life is a violation of her rights.

As I said, there are many who feel that abortion is a state matter because homicide is a state matter. I don't think any of us feel that abortion warrants federal legislation. I think the vast majority of us feel that Roe v Wade was a bad thing.

It's understandable that you feel that way, and until science improves, it is very hard to say when "life" begins.

[Kregener]

I think you are wrong, the Demoblicans have clearly shown that they will push the Homosexual agenda full-force, so they ***** will vote Demoblican almost to a person.

Funny thing is, even when the Republicrats have held power, they too have caved to political correctness and furthered the **** agenda.

It would be...hilarious, if it was not so sad.

[Rivington Essex]

Good luck

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Sounds good to me. Ron Paul is their best bet if they want to back a GOP candidate. I question why we need government in the institution of marriage AT ALL lol. It is just not needed. You end the mainly economic importance of marriage, you solve the problem.

[Kregener]

The entire homosexual population is 3%, NOT the Log Cabin Republicans, they are miniscule in comparison.

[fj45lvr]

yeah this voting bloc may be in play now and not Mitt Romneys since Larry Craig is no longer with his campaign.

You know that Craig was only trying to do some stall campaigning reaching out to potential voters in the bloc.

[Rivington Essex]

If there are 2000 and they give their max, that would outdo Ron Paul's total Q2 fundraising effort.

By some of the posts here, I would think Ron was at 30% not 3%.

[OURPLAN]

Anderson Cooper is gay?
Really?
There goes my fantasy man.

[mdh]

If there are 2000 and they give their max, that would outdo Ron Paul's total Q2 fundraising effort.

By some of the posts here, I would think Ron was at 30% not 3%.

Well, we're certainly not at 30%, but 3% is bogus, too. Look at the straw poll averages for a more realistic number.

[james1844]

I support this idea. GLBT people should be part of the bit tent. Also, GLBT families tend not have children, so they have more disposable income.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Anderson Cooper is gay?
Really?
There goes my fantasy man.

Anderson Cooper ha he made a report on poppy farmers in Afghanistan and you could tell by his choice of words that he supports eradicating it. He is a moron. End of story. If the people of Afghanistan want to grow poppy plants, let them!

[Bouhk]

Thats the things I do not like about Ron Paul and something I think he needs to change if he wants to win for certain. There will be a rapid fallout of Ron Paul if he threatens to make America gay. It is important to bash gays and heathy for men to do so. Gay bashing makes a man manly and America stronger! We cannot have gays and potheads running our country! To do so is pure 100% Dubiology.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Thats the things I do not like about Ron Paul and something I think he needs to change if he wants to win for certain. There will be a rapid fallout of Ron Paul if he threatens to make America gay. It is important to bash gays and heathy for men to do so. Gay bashing makes a man manly and America stronger! We cannot have gays and potheads running our country! To do so is pure 100% Dubiology.

You're joking, right?

[Rivington Essex]

I asked the leaders in Texas, Arizona, Washington and New York.

I have done the same thing with the anti-War movement and I can tell you that I got a donation for RP from the leader of one by showing that leader the Huckabee-Paul exhange. And that leader had 500,000 members. While only one donation, these non profits (that are not allowed to endorse) can do what Fox News does (endorse) in a subtle way ... with voting guides, videos, pointing out newws events etc.

Does any one have other segments we should target or any good contacts at any of the following sub-groups?

NRA
Pro-Lifers
Privacy Hawks
College Leaders
Anti-War Activists
Border Fence Builders
Fiscal Conservatives
Log Cabin Republicans.

[JMann]

The entire homosexual population is 3%, NOT the Log Cabin Republicans, they are miniscule in comparison.

Are you that ig'nant? Not to be personal but I work on a college campus and there a gay kids all over the place. Sexuality is a spectrum of people and you have 100% gay people 100% straight people and every percentage that falls in between. That is how your creator made it.

Let us use your 3% figure for the sake of this discussion. States can boil down to very small percentages. Just 1/3 or 1% of this population can make a huge difference. In addition, homosexual couples have far more discretionary income than heterosexual couples. For the fund raising benefits alone this is a population that should be pursued by the Paul campaign.

[Syren123]

Yes I sent them notification of Ron Paul's upcoming visit to Los Angeles on the 12th - WOOHOO!!! - and the organizer was SUPER nice - wrote me back and said he'd post it to their calendar and to send them anything we'd like to publicize. They were terrific. Also saw them at the CA Republican Convention in Indian Wells this weekend. They may be a minority, but they are well organized, well represented, and very active. Other groups should take a page from their good examples.

[Nefertiti]

I think you are wrong, the Demoblicans have clearly shown that they will push the Homosexual agenda full-force, so they ***** will vote Demoblican almost to a person.

Funny thing is, even when the Republicrats have held power, they too have caved to political correctness and furthered the **** agenda.

It would be...hilarious, if it was not so sad.

"*****"? I haven't heard that term used as an insult since I was about 10 years old! I never knew adults used that kind of language! :D

In any case, whether gays are 3 percent or 10 percent or 50 percent of the population, they are still American citizens. Whether we or our religious principles agree with their lifestyle, they still have the right to vote and if people want to reach out to them, they should go ahead and feel FREE to do so.

[JMann]

"Funny thing is, even when the Republicrats have held power, they too have caved to political correctness and furthered the **** agenda.

It would be...hilarious, if it was not so sad."

It is a shame that some of you people are so filled with hate and worst yet you do it in the name of religion.

[james1844]

Hi All,

I just wanted to reiterate my support for reaching out to the GLBT community. As Ron Paul's stance on gay marriage is substantially like Clinton's, I think that this could be a sell that the campaign could make.

Also, being gay is a function of birth hormones, genes and chance, it has nothing to do with lifestyle choice. Thats a nonsensical arguement thats used to support discrimination.

Best,

James

[WillInMiami]

this is the way to win the republican nomination - alienate the "base" even further by trying to attract ALL of the liberal base. Last time I checked, we are in a struggle (at the moment) to win the REPUBLICAN primary! If we win that battle, we should shift strategy to win over as many people/groups as possible for the general election. Timing! This is not the time to be touting the fact that the "log cabin" group or Code Pink, or any other liberal or non-socially conservative group supports Dr. Paul. Doing so will make the religious right run to someone like Huckabee.

[Rivington Essex]

At this point, Ron Paul is at 3% in the polls.

I think any press is good press. And any donation is a good donation.

[mdh]

At this point, Ron Paul is at 3% in the polls.

At a few polls. Others put him as high as 98%. Why quote the low outliers? Statistically, those outliers should be ignored.

[JMann]

this is the way to win the republican nomination - alienate the "base" even further by trying to attract ALL of the liberal base. Last time I checked, we are in a struggle (at the moment) to win the REPUBLICAN primary! If we win that battle, we should shift strategy to win over as many people/groups as possible for the general election. Timing! This is not the time to be touting the fact that the "log cabin" group or Code Pink, or any other liberal or non-socially conservative group supports Dr. Paul. Doing so will make the religious right run to someone like Huckabee.

The 'religious right' or the 'brainwashed' probably are not natural supporters of Ron Paul. People that don't believe in liberty for all from federal government oppression need not apply. To me Paul's campaign represents a lifting of federal intrusion into people's life no matter who that person is attracted to. If the brainwashed want to elect state legislators to ban gay marriage or civil unions than that is fine. The constitutional amendment crowd that seeks to regulate a certain group of people are probably already supporting other candidates.

Don't get me wrong it would be great if those that have hate in their heart towards people different from them want to join the campaign that is fantastic. But the Paul campaign should embrace anyone that truly understands what justice and liberty for all means.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

yup... I bet the religious right begin to hate RP once they hear "1988 Libertarian Party Nominee...." lol

damn. if they just weren't that influential in the GOP.... I am not fond of the Pat Robertson crowd.

[micahnelson]

I told someone I was a libertarian-Republican...

they said... Libertarian, you mean like... liberal?

I said... no, I mean like... Liberty.

[OURPLAN]

Do you think it is a good idea to appeal to
special groups, when Ron Paul is for
individual liberties?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Do you think it is a good idea to appeal to
special groups, when Ron Paul is for
individual liberties?

yup

[Bouhk]

Hi All,

I just wanted to reiterate my support for reaching out to the GLBT community. As Ron Paul's stance on gay marriage is substantially like Clinton's, I think that this could be a sell that the campaign could make.

Also, being gay is a function of birth hormones, genes and chance, it has nothing to do with lifestyle choice. Thats a nonsensical arguement thats used to support discrimination.

Best,

James

More corruption in the textbooks. Can you go to an adoption agency and ask for a gay baby? Surely they are born gay and thats normal, right? Do you know any gay babies? Why was homosexuality less known in our parents generation than in our own generation if homosexuality is genetically normal? Surely our parents moral-value system had nothing to do with the chance of being born gay, right? No, it could not be learned behavior, right? Truth is, and I've have the testimony of hundreds of gays I've talked to on the matter, and they all will admit at one time or another that its all learned behavior! Science has also proven this.

[mdh]

Everything in life is a choice. The idea that someone may be oppressed for making a choice which violates the rights of no one is sickening to me.

At some point, everyone makes a choice about what sort of partners to have, what sort of clothes to wear, what sort of hair style to have, how they like their omelettes and how they like their sex. Nothin' wrong with that, but to deny that everything is a choice - to put things that are obviously choices off on genetics - is just silly. People do the same thing with obesity.

[JMann]

More corruption in the textbooks. Can you go to an adoption agency and ask for a gay baby? Surely they are born gay and thats normal, right? Do you know any gay babies? Why was homosexuality less known in our parents generation than in our own generation if homosexuality is genetically normal? Surely our parents moral-value system had nothing to do with the chance of being born gay, right? No, it could not be learned behavior, right? Truth is, and I've have the testimony of hundreds of gays I've talked to on the matter, and they all will admit at one time or another that its all learned behavior! Science has also proven this.

You have to be kidding, I know you can't be that stupid but just in case you are. Do you know any straight babies? Maybe you do but I'm sure they are not interested in your sick advances. Why was homosexuality less known (out is the better word) is because people where killed in many cases if they let their sexuality be known. If not they probably had small minded people like yourself as parents and would be living under fear of being thrown out of the family and the community. Even in our more liberal times, it is perfectly fine to make jokes about gays, even on tv, much like other minorities in the past.

Science has proven nothing of the fact that you state. Except most science now points to the fact that most people that are homosexual are born this way. When did you choose to be straight? When you where fucking around with babies? I'm pretty sure you haven't spoken with hundreds of gays except maybe some of the men at your church that are married with kids.

[trispear]

this is the way to win the republican nomination - alienate the "base" even further by trying to attract ALL of the liberal base. Last time I checked, we are in a struggle (at the moment) to win the REPUBLICAN primary! If we win that battle, we should shift strategy to win over as many people/groups as possible for the general election. Timing! This is not the time to be touting the fact that the "log cabin" group or Code Pink, or any other liberal or non-socially conservative group supports Dr. Paul. Doing so will make the religious right run to someone like Huckabee.

The base has shrunk - the 2006 election confirmed that.

What used to be part of the base has been alienated by W and his ilk. I know many republicans who are outraged that the religious right has taken over and has taken the Foreign Policy over for their own agenda (rapture, armeggeddon).

We have to realize the "base" as it exists today consist of many people who no reason will reach and who will never support RP.

The only logical conclusion is to grow the base with RP supporters.

The "base" isn't homogenous nor does anybody have a right to be considered the base and others don't.

We won't pander to the Log Cabin Republicans - but if tolerance, human decency and a common platform is frowned upon by the "base", count me out.

It's the hannity forums crowd that jumps onto anybody who is a bit different or different thinking as a liberal - RP doesn't do that. I don't need the hannity crowd mentality - they also thought of Bush's tagline "You are either with us or against us."

[Rivington Essex]

I really didn't mean for this to be a contoversial post. I really just thought that the Log Cabin group was another segment we could target (not pander, and I agree with Trispear's views) One leader in Tulsa told me that he was having great luck with gun shows. I had some luck with contacting anti-war activists. When I saw Larry Craig get busted, the Log Cabin spokesperson was quoted. I just wanted people to segment groups who are very receptive to the freedom message. I have these categories.

NRA
Pro-Lifers
Privacy Hawks
College Leaders
Anti-War Activists
Border Fence Builders
Fiscal Conservatives
Log Cabin Republicans

If you are a MeetUp leader, try to assign someone and delegate outreach to these groups.

Any others?

[Bouhk]

You have to be kidding, I know you can't be that stupid but just in case you are. Do you know any straight babies? Maybe you do but I'm sure they are not interested in your sick advances. Why was homosexuality less known (out is the better word) is because people where killed in many cases if they let their sexuality be known. If not they probably had small minded people like yourself as parents and would be living under fear of being thrown out of the family and the community. Even in our more liberal times, it is perfectly fine to make jokes about gays, even on tv, much like other minorities in the past.

Science has proven nothing of the fact that you state. Except most science now points to the fact that most people that are homosexual are born this way. When did you choose to be straight? When you where fucking around with babies? I'm pretty sure you haven't spoken with hundreds of gays except maybe some of the men at your church that are married with kids.

This topic is so outdated and scientists have proven that no human being is born gay, but it is learned hehavior. Thats the facts and you'll never change them.

And yes, all babies are born straight. I was a straight baby and I found little girls pretty from the get go! That is natural! You twisted liberals are do warped that even on your own evolutionary scale, you're just one step ahead of pond scum.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

If you want to marry someone of the same sex, why not?

If you want to marry your dog, why not?

If you want to marry a tree, why not?

government shouldn't be in the debate :p

[skiingff]

This topic is so outdated and scientists have proven that no human being is born gay, but it is learned hehavior. Thats the facts and you'll never change them.
Actually, scientists have proven otherwise by conducting scientific experiments with animals. Just because you choose to be selective about your information and argue that "animals have nothing to do with humans" -- not true. Only ignorant people would argue that experiments into animals can't help us understand human beings.

The famous Fruit Fly experiment proved with the changing of ONE GENE, you can make fruit flies homosexual. This is not me pulling this out of thin air, it's a fact. Research it. I don't have time go give you a bunch of links when you won't even read them anyway because you're so stubborn.

Many, many animals also exhibit homosexual behavior. So the argument that homosexuality is "unnatural" and "immoral" is plain stupid.


And yes, all babies are born straight. I was a straight baby and I found little girls pretty from the get go! That is natural! You twisted liberals are do warped that even on your own evolutionary scale, you're just one step ahead of pond scum.
Homosexuality is also natural in the animal kingdom, including in mammals closely related to human beings. I'm not saying people are "born" one way or the other, but genes do play a big factor, along with environmental influences.

Don't look at this in black and white.

[Man from La Mancha]

Attracting gays to Ron is just fine, they do seem to be in media and MSM. I can't possibly understand why a man wouldn't want the nice soft touch of a woman or her sweet melodic voice? As long if it's not shoved in my face individuals should do what they want and there should be no special federal benefits for anyone.

.

[trispear]

Attracting gays to Ron is just fine, they do seem to be in media and MSM. I can't possibly understand why a man wouldn't want the nice soft touch of a woman or her sweet melodic voice? As long if it's not shoved in my face individuals should do what they want and there should be no special federal benefits for anyone.

Exactly.

[Bouhk]

Actually, scientists have proven otherwise by conducting scientific experiments with animals. Just because you choose to be selective about your information and argue that "animals have nothing to do with humans" -- not true. Only ignorant people would argue that experiments into animals can't help us understand human beings.

The famous Fruit Fly experiment proved with the changing of ONE GENE, you can make fruit flies homosexual. This is not me pulling this out of thin air, it's a fact. Research it. I don't have time go give you a bunch of links when you won't even read them anyway because you're so stubborn.

Many, many animals also exhibit homosexual behavior. So the argument that homosexuality is "unnatural" and "immoral" is plain stupid.


Homosexuality is also natural in the animal kingdom, including in mammals closely related to human beings. I'm not saying people are "born" one way or the other, but genes do play a big factor, along with environmental influences.

Don't look at this in black and white.

Listen you true defined neocon, I read all the updated science journals and am a research scientists and theologian, and no respected scientist is going to agree with your pathetic pseudo-thoughts. Its already proven that fagism is a learned behavior and one that should not be encouraged. I hope your not here to cheer for Fagdom?

[ctb619]

Listen you true defined neocon, I read all the updated science journals and am a research scientists and theologian, and no respected scientist is going to agree with your pathetic pseudo-thoughts. Its already proven that fagism is a learned behavior and one that should not be encouraged. I hope your not here to cheer for Fagdom?

fagism? fagdom?

Are you one of those guys that protests at soldiers' funerals?

[mdh]

Listen you true defined neocon, I read all the updated science journals and am a research scientists and theologian, and no respected scientist is going to agree with your pathetic pseudo-thoughts. Its already proven that fagism is a learned behavior and one that should not be encouraged. I hope your not here to cheer for Fagdom?

... lol. Homophobes are clearly a genetically superior breed of human being. :)

[Kregener]

Look, it comes down to sheer numbers.

ALL homosexuals in the entire country are only 3% of the people. I will leave it up to your guess as to how many of them vote, but my guess is, they do so in higher actual numbers than heterosexuals.

These so-called "Log Cabin Republicans" are a FRACTION of the overall number of homosexuals, seeing as how MOST homosexual voters cast ballots EN MASSE for demoblicans and other socialist bliss-ninnies who promise to further their agenda.

That being said, if you want to expend YOUR time, effort and energy "going after" this MINISCUlE homosexual vote, then...knock yourself completely silly.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Well, Ron Paul is not the typical Republican.

[ronpaulitician]

Cheer.

[Kregener]

Sure, but a society without a moral compass is destined for the trash heap.

History bears this out.

[Dinomyte]

He's a troll.

He doesn't really believe in what he's typing. He's only doing it to get a rise of out of people. Just ignore him.

Just don't reply to any comment you see from him at all, and tell others to do the same.

He's only typing stuff that's so stupid cause he knows ppl get annoyed and to him that's fun.

[Dinomyte]

Look, it comes down to sheer numbers.

ALL homosexuals in the entire country are only 3% of the people. I will leave it up to your guess as to how many of them vote, but my guess is, they do so in higher actual numbers than heterosexuals.

These so-called "Log Cabin Republicans" are a FRACTION of the overall number of homosexuals, seeing as how MOST homosexual voters cast ballots EN MASSE for demoblicans and other socialist bliss-ninnies who promise to further their agenda.

That being said, if you want to expend YOUR time, effort and energy "going after" this MINISCUlE homosexual vote, then...knock yourself completely silly.

No one said anything about spending ALL their time pursuing votes from homosexual republicans, but by spending even just an hour to talk to them as people and letting them know about Ron Paul and his values will not hurt the campaign at all.

Even if they don't end up voting for Ron Paul, just letting them know that there's one more person out there who sees them as an individual with all the rights that you have makes the world better.

[Nefertiti]

Thats the things I do not like about Ron Paul and something I think he needs to change if he wants to win for certain. There will be a rapid fallout of Ron Paul if he threatens to make America gay. It is important to bash gays and heathy for men to do so. Gay bashing makes a man manly and America stronger! We cannot have gays and potheads running our country! To do so is pure 100% Dubiology.

Uhhh....I think you are posting this in the wrong forums. Isn't it http://fredthompsonforum.com/ that you want to be posting this in? ;)