"Anarchists" Riot in Greece

[Knightskye]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBLwg1BO-Ss

[Jeremy]

idiots are going to make government bigger

[James Madison]

Hooray Greek people. Not really, I just felt like saying that. :P

[mport1]

While all states should be destroyed, they should be eliminated peacefully. Violence will not solve the problem and will likely make things much worse.

[Knightskye]

idiots are going to make government bigger

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

[haaaylee]

what are they really about?
http://theirishbulletin.blogspot.com/2008/12/what-are-greek-riots-really-about.html

banks?

[bojo68]

what are they really about?
http://theirishbulletin.blogspot.com/2008/12/what-are-greek-riots-really-about.html

banks?

Wow! KOOL!:) People actually burning something worthwhile....:)

[Reason]

another video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxztGzUb66U

[Kludge]

http://www.wyolp.org/images/Boston.Massacre.jpeg

Good luck, Greece (and Cyprus, which, already in a dangerous political climate, has also seen rioting as a result of the murder)

[StilesBC]

Go Greece!

[Expatriate]

I heard the riots are because the police murdered a 15-year-old.

[Knightskye]

Go Greece!

...Lightning!

http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/nickop80.jpg

[ihsv]

I heard the riots are because the police murdered a 15-year-old.

You heard that because that's what we're being told. There's more to the story.

[Call Me V]

You heard that because that's what we're being told. There's more to the story.

Enlighten us.

[acptulsa]

Enlighten us.

He's not there. Neither am I.

These people, however, are much closer to the source:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=171859

I found the comments especially enlightening. How are they going to set up a NWO if neither they nor we can even put together a federal government and economic system that treats all their or our states (with all that they have in common) fairly? Hell, Washington has teetered on the brink of killing off the Breadbasket of the World by trying to stuff all of the incredibly productive "flyover states" into the same mold as the New England states. Here we have Greece being strangled by being expected to live on what's good for Germany. In a one world government, what chance would Chad have?

It would bring a whole new meaning to the term 'hanging Chad'.

P.S. This is the actual link from that thread:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ambrose_evans-pritchard/blog/2008/12/10/greek_fighting_the_eurozones_weakest_link_starts_t o_crack

[roho76]

While all states should be destroyed, they should be eliminated peacefully. Violence will not solve the problem and will likely make things much worse.

I know RP says to protest in the style of Ghandi but do you really think that will solve anything? He says this so he doesn't get arrested for instigating a riot. He is a very popular guy these days and people will listen to what he says even if it is only a small group of RP fans. If you protest like this it just means you will go to a FEMA camp without resistance which is what TPTB want. If the founding fathers protested like Ghandi they would have been killed immediately. Instead they fought for their rights with blood. This whole peaceful protest bullshit is useless in todays world. The Government will not listen and will lock you up, period. There is no room for dissenters in our Government. When the time comes I hope those of us are willing to die for freedom other wise this was all for naught.

[LibertyEagle]

Violence will get us martial law.

[acptulsa]

Violence will get us martial law...

...if we live long enough to see it. Talk about playing into their hands.

I've never understood this concept of threatening violence. What could be more stupid? If I have to resort to violence, the last thing I want is my antagonist being forewarned and forearmed.

Call me ungentlemanly if you wish. That just gives me something in common with the powers that be.

[roho76]

Violence will get us martial law.

And Ghandi style protesting will get you locked up as a terrorist. What's your point? Have fun in a prison camp.

We have all the guns. It would be impossible for the Government to instill Martial Law when everybody stands up against tyranny. Now to get everybody on board we need to turn off the TV on a mass scale. No American Idol=Rioting=freedom.

Look I don't want to live in an anarchy but I sure as hell don't want to live under tyranny either which is what Ghandi style protesting gets you.

We need a black market for freedom since it's illegal on the streets.

[acptulsa]

And Ghandi style protesting will get you locked up as a terrorist. What's your point? Have fun in a prison camp.

See you there. We'll be counting on you to show us the ropes. Because the way you're going, you'll be there long before us.

Hope you get to see a little of the revolution from your cell window. If the revolutionaries win, it will be by using the element of surprise, not by transmitting all their plans to the enemy well in advance.

[Feenix566]

Greece Is Burning
Lost principles have led to lost control
By TAKIS MICHAS
Athens

When Greece's conservative New Democracy party came to power in March 2004 it promised three things: to "reinvent" the state, to eliminate corruption, and to initiate much-needed educational reform. Four years later, the situation remains unchanged: The state is still a tool for bestowing benefits and favors, corruption in the public sector is still rampant, and attempts at educational reform have fizzled out.

Plundering thugs who are following their own self-interests.
This sets the context for the riots that have engulfed Greece since Sunday. The postcard picture of Greece as the land of sunny beaches and friendly people has been shattered, revealing a country torn by social strife and consumed by hatred and senseless violence.

The ostensible cause for the rioting was the killing -- under circumstances that remain unclear -- of a 15-year-old boy by a policeman last Saturday near the Athens district of Exarchia, a popular hangout for lefties and professed anarchists. Two officers have been arrested and charged with the boy's slaying. Poor training, lack of motivation and low salaries make for a notoriously incompetent police force whose members are prone to cause such tragic incidents. In that sense the police share the malaise of the rest of the public sector in Greece. The only difference is that they carry arms.

The death quickly led to mostly peaceful mass demonstrations all over Greece by students who were understandably unhappy with the killing of their peer. They are also fed up with an overcentralized education system that thrives on rote learning, which stifles innovation and creativity.

But soon the protests turned into ugly riots. Groups of masked anarchists set about an orgy of torching, looting and vandalism in Athens, Thessaloniki and other major cities in Greece.

What was unique about the events in Greece -- as opposed to, say, the riots in the banlieues of Paris a few years ago -- was the total withdrawal of the government and the security forces from the scene of the riots. Civil society was left alone and unarmed to fend off the violent attacks on their property by the hordes of predators. On Tuesday night, one of the worst nights of rioting, more than 400 shops were attacked in Athens: Some were torched, others looted and seriously damaged.

All of this took place while the security forces simply stood by and watched the disaster unfold. They were following the explicit orders of their political masters to assume a "defensive posture" -- which in effect meant that they did not try to prevent the orgy of destruction.

Anyone watching this absurd scene could be excused for concluding that a secret deal had been struck between the government and the rioters: We let you torch and plunder to your heart's content, and you let us continue pretending that we are in charge.

The government justified its passivity by arguing that any attempt to stop the vandalism might have produced human victims. At the same time, in order to pacify the enraged shopkeepers who were seeing their hopes for a profitable holiday shopping season go up in smoke, it promised to use taxpayer money to compensate them for the damages caused by the rioters.

"What we are witnessing is the total abdication of responsibility by the Greek state," says Antonis Papayanidis, the former editor in chief of the conservative daily Eleftheros Tipos. "This happened both in the case of the shooting of the youth by an incompetent policeman as well as in the case of the riots that followed."

The government's passivity amid this dissolution of law and order did not simply reflect bad crisis management or sheer incompetence. At a deeper level the conservative government's failure to respond decisively signified its defeat in the battle of ideas, especially among the young.

The abdication of responsibility was in part the result of the New Democracy party's abandonment of the values of classical liberalism, whose cornerstone is the rule of law and the respect of private property. Under the leadership of Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis, the party has over the years purged from its ranks all voices of classical liberalism and has explicitly rejected values-based narratives in favor of an ill-defined pragmatism. This has proved no match for the ideological assault by the left, which ended up monopolizing the marketplace of ideas in the universities and the other educational establishments of the country.

Such was the ideological confusion of the government that on the night of the great destruction the only criticism that Interior Minister Prokopis Pavlopoulos could voice against the plundering thugs was that they were following their own self-interests. Adam Smith would surely turn in his grave!

Even worse was the statement by Panagiotis Stathis, spokesman for the national police, explaining the authorities' inaction: "Violence cannot be fought with violence." With this remark, he effectively equated violence exercised by the authorities to defend the social order with the violence of those trying to destroy it.

"The fall of Rome," wrote Seneca, "took place when Rome's pragmatism ceased to be pragmatic." Unfortunately, the conservatives in Greece do not read Seneca -- or much else for that matter.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904354644400355.html

The protesters are anarcho-socialists. (which is the dumbest of all political ideologies in my opinion)

Let's not get too excited about this. If these protesters get their way, they'll be installing a Lenin-esque socialist state in no time.

[acptulsa]

The protesters are anarcho-socialists. (which is the dumbest of all political ideologies in my opinion).

So they want no government that takes care of everything? What? Actually, they must be something else--the way I described it makes them sound pretty good. I'm inclined to believe that someone in the media made that term up...

[Knightskye]

You heard that because that's what we're being told. There's more to the story.

They're rebelling; at least that part is true.

[yokna7]

The media lately has been throwing around the term "anarchist" alot lately. Since when is dissent anarchy?

[acptulsa]

The media lately has been throwing around the term "anarchist" alot lately. Since when is dissent anarchy?

Since the msm figured out that the term has some nice negative connotations. "Oh, no, we weren't spinning anything. Never mind that we labeled a bunch of communists 'anarchists'. That doesn't qualify as spin..."

[smileylovesfreedom]

The media lately has been throwing around the term "anarchist" alot lately. Since when is dissent anarchy?

Stop questioning the media, you anarchist ;) :p

In all seriousness, the media uses these labels like that are used to divide people and thus, making it easier for the police to use illegal police state tactics against individuals or groups. They hope to effectively "demonized" a group by calling them words like "anarchists" or "terrorists" or "anti-government" or any number of buzz words. Always be suspicious if you hear those words be thrown around freely. There is probably more sides to that story than what they are telling you...

Remember the gov't and their media cronies want to keep themselves in power - they don't tolerate any dissent.

[dr. hfn]

Woot!

[mediahasyou]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/bruce_thejuice/bansky_say_it_with_flowers.jpg

[Knightskye]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/bruce_thejuice/bansky_say_it_with_flowers.jpg

That pic still rocks.


The media lately has been throwing around the term "anarchist" alot lately. Since when is dissent anarchy?

Anything anti-government must mean anarchy.

Watch them report on something blowing up in the Middle East. They'll say it was a terrorist attack, even if they didn't receive any information about it.