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Mani
12-08-2008, 12:57 PM
This is a frightening tale of our civil liberties being violated and our religious freedoms being persecuted.

http://www.chron.com/disp/discuss.mpl/metropolitan/6150136.html

Sikh family accuses deputies of abuse, taunts

The Harris County Sheriff's Office is investigating allegations that deputies harassed a family of Sikhs whose home was burglarized last week.

Family members say the deputies handcuffed them, roughed them up and taunted them instead of taking a report on the break-in.

One deputy reportedly asked them if they'd "heard about the bombings in Bombay." Another allegedly said he had been to Kuwait and "knew about Muslims."

Since 9/11, misperceptions about Sikhs' religiously mandated turbans and beards have led to an increase in discrimination against Sikhs, according to the New York-based Sikh Coalition.

The family reported the incident to the Coalition, which called for the sheriff's office to fire the four deputies involved and issue a formal apology to the family.

"The allegations, if they're true, are certainly intolerable and inconsistent with our policies," said sheriff's spokesman John Legg.

The deputies could face anything from disciplinary action to termination, Legg said. He declined to release their names pending further investigation.

The Sikh family returned home to the 10800 block of Oak Bayou Lane on the night of Nov. 26 to discover a broken window in a bathroom and belongings strewn on the floor of the master bedroom. Jewelry and money was missing.

Ramandeep Singh, 28, called 911 and went to the driveway to greet the deputy when his patrol car pulled up.

"Right from that instant, he didn't ask us what was going on or if we were OK, he just looked at me and he goes, 'Do you have an ID?'" recalled Singh, who has a beard and wears a turban.

Singh offered to retrieve his ID from the house and invited the officer to accompany him.

After handing over the ID, Singh and his relatives showed the deputy the broken window. But the deputy couldn't seem to focus on the break-in, Singh said.

"It just looked like he didn't want to be there," he said. "I sensed a little uneasiness from him."

Deputy 'freaked out'
Then the deputy noticed his sister's Kirpan, a small ceremonial knife she wears sheathed on her hip.

The Kirpan is a religious article mandated by the Sikh faith, explained Kawaljeet Kaur, 35. "It's a constant reminder to me that I need to promote justice for all," she said.

The deputy "freaked out," Singh said.

"Before you know it, he has a taser pointed at her forehead, he's calling for backup, he's raising his voice, like, 'Shut up, shut up! '"

"I told him, you know, I'm a law-abiding citizen," Kaur said. "Treat me with respect."

She offered to leave the room if the Kirpan upset him, but pointed out that it was her constitutional right to practice her religion in her own home.

"He said, 'I don't care about that,' " Singh remembered.

He said the situation deteriorated when other deputies arrived and began handcuffing family members, including Kaur's 60-year-old mother.

"They were using the f-word, and we had an 8-year-old in the house," Singh said.

One deputy pushed Kaur to the ground and pressed his knee to her back.

"They basically didn't treat us like humans," she said. "They didn't think they had to give us any answers or talk to us."

One of the deputies told the family he "knew about Muslims," they said.

"But even if I was a Muslim, that doesn't mean I'm a terrorist," Kaur pointed out.

Helpless, in shock
"It was a terrifying experience," she said. "When a hate crime is committed at your own home, you feel so helpless and so vulnerable as to who do you call for help. I will probably think a hundred times before calling 911 ever again."

Although more than a dozen deputies had swarmed the scene, none of them made any effort investigate the burglary, Singh said.

"Imagine the kind of resources that they're putting into this kind of thing instead of all the real crime that's going on out there," he said. "I mean I was just in shock. I didn't think this kind of thing could happen in Houston."

Hours after the initial 911 call, a supervisor showed up and ordered the deputies to unhandcuff the family, Singh said.

"He was like, 'Yeah, these guys are young. They don't know any better,' " Singh said. "I'm like, 'That's fine but that's no excuse to treat anybody this way.'"

Singh said his family moved to Houston from India more than 20 years ago and consider themselves proud citizens.

Racial profiling people won't make anybody safer and will erode trust in law enforcement, especially in immigrant communities, said Neha Singh, western region director for the Sikh Coalition.

"For an incident like this to occur is shameful and shocking," she said. "I really don't understand how they could justify what they did here, and I'm sure they would not have behaved the same way had the family looked different."
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After all this family had to endure after their home robbed and being handcuffed by police, the supervisor says, "Oh yeah, these guys are young...they don't know better"

WTF!?!? Does that mean they didn't go through proper training at the Police Academy? Protect and serve has no meaning and I guess if you have a badge and you're "Young" you can go around knocking people to the ground and handcuffing them throwing F-bombs everywhere.

Kotin
12-08-2008, 01:00 PM
lawfully mandated thugs.

phill4paul
12-08-2008, 01:35 PM
I will go ballistic the next time someone tells me that things that happened in Nazi Germany could never happen in America.
There are people out there that actually believe that these good protectors of society will actually not co-operate in a government police state.
From initiation into the blue fold they are brainwashed into an us vs. them mentality. Which only perpetuates itself through public distrust.
I bet this family will never ever call upon these self-anointed protectors again.

UtahApocalypse
12-08-2008, 01:38 PM
where was this and why are some of our people not outside the PD station picketing??

JVParkour
12-08-2008, 01:51 PM
I just love how he whipped out his tazer instantly...to many incidents with tazers these days.

Brown Sapper
12-08-2008, 02:07 PM
Harris County is in Houston.

tonesforjonesbones
12-08-2008, 02:11 PM
incredable...sigh. the sikhs don't believe in harming anyone, not even a bug on the ground..tones

www.truthwarrior.ning.com

kathy88
12-08-2008, 03:59 PM
we're all fucked

Anti Federalist
12-08-2008, 05:11 PM
Cop defender (boot licker) response in 3...2...1 seconds.

Tip: Do not dial 911.

haaaylee
12-08-2008, 07:17 PM
why did the article mention almost exactly where they live, btw...

inibo
12-08-2008, 07:29 PM
incredable...sigh. the sikhs don't believe in harming anyone, not even a bug on the ground..tones

www.truthwarrior.ning.com

It was Sikhs who assassinated Inidra Gandhi, I think you're confusing Sikhs with Jains.

Nevertheless, I get more disgusted with cops every day. f#@%ing thugs.

Malakai
12-08-2008, 11:03 PM
Just another symptom of our failing society.

If only everybody understood that their money and their government are the problems, not the crazy shit the newspapers talk about every day (consumer confidence, the terrists, the muslims, Iran, ect)

purplechoe
12-08-2008, 11:40 PM
f#@%ing thugs.

I concur.

jkm1864
12-09-2008, 01:01 AM
Any ever wonder why when Jesus returns all the people like this will be flushed down the comode. I can't believe this humanity is becoming so evil and most people can't even see it. These people did nothing wrong and they were treated like criminals. Almost makes You want to join the force so You can help defend poor people like this. The sad thing is if WWIII breaks out the majority of the people will want people like this thrown into concentration camps so they can be gassed.

jkm1864
12-09-2008, 01:02 AM
It might have gave the general area but I assure You there are probably 1000 homes near that block.

Mani
12-09-2008, 10:05 AM
Any ever wonder why when Jesus returns all the people like this will be flushed down the comode. I can't believe this humanity is becoming so evil and most people can't even see it. These people did nothing wrong and they were treated like criminals. Almost makes You want to join the force so You can help defend poor people like this. The sad thing is if WWIII breaks out the majority of the people will want people like this thrown into concentration camps so they can be gassed.

What's so shocking is these people were in THEIR OWN HOME. They asked for help, invited an officer into their home and he goes ape shit on them!

Imagine if you called the police for assistance after a burglary in your home. My son gets scared when the alarm accidentally goes off..Imagine how scared the children are probably in when they see windows broken and the room ransacked. And then the police turns on YOU. Puts a taser to your sister's head, calls for backup and knees her to the ground and cuffs her and your 60 year old mom? All the while screaming STFU and other profanity. This is insane. What about the kids, nice job of putting them through a terrifying experience, what trust will they have for the police when they grow up?

Expatriate
12-09-2008, 12:26 PM
It's sad that Sikhs are targeted so much because of Muslims. I visited a Sikh temple in my town, and I can tell you that the ones I met are the most honorable, kind and respectful people you could ever hope to meet. Their entire religion basically revolves around protecting the weak from the strong and helping those in need. The religion came about apparently to try to prevent Hindus and Muslims from killing each other. They do not worship a particular god, but instead revere the teachings of a book written by their founder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism

A key distinctive feature of Sikhism is a non-anthropomorphic concept of God, to the extent that one can interpret God as the Universe itself.

One of the principles of Sikhism is that they provide free vegetarian food (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langar_(Sikhism)) and shelter to anyone and everyone who comes into their temple. They don't try to convert anyone or act superior, and welcome all religions and races into their temples. (If you were being hunted by the mob or something, they would actually take you in and hide you, and apparently protect you with their lives)

There have been Sikh extremists in the past, mostly related to Khalistan (the nation they wanted to form in India) but of course being a Sikh does not make you some kind of angel.

It's funny though, because before I actually met some I had a very bad prejudiced opinion of them, and would always wonder if they were terrorists when I saw them. I still know people that literally point and say "there goes another terrorist" when a Sikh walks past.

Mani
12-09-2008, 01:20 PM
I found one part of the article very moving.

The woman who was knocked to the ground said, "But even if I was a Muslim, that doesn't mean I'm a terrorist," Kaur pointed out.

Instead of saying, hey I'm sikh I'm not muslim why are you attacking me???

She says, even if I was, it's still wrong.



It's sad that Sikhs are targeted so much because of Muslims. I visited a Sikh temple in my town, and I can tell you that the ones I met are the most honorable, kind and respectful people you could ever hope to meet. Their entire religion basically revolves around protecting the weak from the strong and helping those in need. The religion came about apparently to try to prevent Hindus and Muslims from killing each other. They do not worship a particular god, but instead revere the teachings of a book written by their founder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism


One of the principles of Sikhism is that they provide free vegetarian food (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langar_(Sikhism)) and shelter to anyone and everyone who comes into their temple. They don't try to convert anyone or act superior, and welcome all religions and races into their temples. (If you were being hunted by the mob or something, they would actually take you in and hide you, and apparently protect you with their lives)

There have been Sikh extremists in the past, mostly related to Khalistan (the nation they wanted to form in India) but of course being a Sikh does not make you some kind of angel.

It's funny though, because before I actually met some I had a very bad prejudiced opinion of them, and would always wonder if they were terrorists when I saw them. I still know people that literally point and say "there goes another terrorist" when a Sikh walks past.

Expatriate
12-09-2008, 01:40 PM
I found one part of the article very moving.

The woman who was knocked to the ground said, "But even if I was a Muslim, that doesn't mean I'm a terrorist," Kaur pointed out.

Instead of saying, hey I'm sikh I'm not muslim why are you attacking me???

She says, even if I was, it's still wrong.

Indeed. Freedom of religion and equality under the law, along with presumption of innocence are so important to what America is, but people seem to think there's an exception when it comes to Muslims.

It's almost like a media experiment to see if they can make everyone hate a certain class of people. It looks like it's working so well that we can probably expect to see them targeting other groups soon, like libertarians, "assault weapon" or handgun owners, Ron Paul supporters etc.

Mani
12-09-2008, 03:18 PM
Indeed. Freedom of religion and equality under the law, along with presumption of innocence are so important to what America is, but people seem to think there's an exception when it comes to Muslims.

It's almost like a media experiment to see if they can make everyone hate a certain class of people. It looks like it's working so well that we can probably expect to see them targeting other groups soon, like libertarians, "assault weapon" or handgun owners, Ron Paul supporters etc.

That is the fear. If they can turn one group into second class citizens, what's to stop them from doing it to others.

t0rnado
12-09-2008, 04:16 PM
A cop pointing a taser at someone on their own property? I hope cops keep this up. Sooner or later, they'll piss the wrong person off.