Update on Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuits

[Volitzer]

Update on Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuits‏

UPDATE: Our efforts to compel Senator Barack Obama to produce a valid birth certificate in order to prove that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States ARE TAKING OFF!

As you may already know, we recently filed suit in California to push the issue and, at this very moment, we're helping to fund the suit in Mississippi. We are in communication with other states that have suits in process; and we're putting plans into action to file suits in additional states as well!

But, because our efforts are taking off, that also means we need your help!

According to a recent headline in WorldNetDaily, Team Obama tried to dismiss efforts to demand that he prove his eligibility to hold the office of President of the United States as "GARBAGE"!

But they're taking the matter a little bit more seriously NOW! With each passing day, Team Obama is finding it harder and harder to dismiss the question.

Team Obama would love for this issue to simply die or go away. We're NOT GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN!

If you're committed to this fight, but that means we need your help NOW MORE THAN EVER to keep going!

Wouldn't it be great if we could issue this challenge in EVERY STATE WHERE SENATOR OBAMA WON?

You can make that happen!


The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help - it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms - that's not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS - that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We're relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

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Please use the hyperlink above to make your best TAX-DEDUCTIBLE effort to be a part of this battle and support the vital mission of USJF.

Protecting The Constitution Is Not "GARBAGE".

Team Obama: "All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage."

According to the WorldNetDaily headline above, that was the retort of an Obama campaign spokesperson when asked about complaints requesting that Senator Obama produce a valid Birth Certificate to prove that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States.

"Garbage" ...?

Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Enforcing the Constitution of the United States is NOT "garbage" and furthermore, securing the rights of the people under the Constitution is NOT "garbage"!

The Obama campaign's response is an elitist, condescending slap in the face to patriotic Americans. No one is above the law and Team Obama cannot make the question of Obama's eligibility go away by disrespecting the American people - and by inference, the Constitution of the United States.

That's why we filed our action in California, an action that Senator Obama will not be able to ignore... an action that will not go away!

That's why with your help, we're going to expand these efforts!

In fact, in my humble opinion... we will ONLY "LOSE" if we do NOT have the resources we need to carry on for as long as it takes, and we will "win" as long as we can carry on this fight (more on that later).

SO PLEASE KEEP READING... I promise that when you're done, you will agree that we have filed the mother of all actions.


The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help - it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms - that's not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS - that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We're relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

Please use the hyperlink above to make your best TAX-DEDUCTIBLE effort to be a part of this battle and support the vital mission of USJF.

What About Other Court Actions? How Is The USJF Action Different ...

In a nutshell, the courts are ruling that petitioners in other court actions lack standing!

While we don't necessarily agree with that premise, the petitioners in our action HAVE STANDING!

We state in the Petition we initially filed with the court in California:

"The parties in this case have standing to bring this litigation, due to the fact that Dr. Keyes and Dr. Drake, Sr., are candidates on the California ballot for President and Vice President of the United States, and Mr. Robinson is an Elector for the Keyes-Drake ticket, and Vice Chairman of America's Independent Party, of Fenton, Michigan, which nominated Dr. Keyes for President. He is also a Chairman of the American Independent Party (California), which nominated Dr. Keyes and Dr. Drake for President and Vice President, respectively. Based on the foregoing, it is imperative for SOS to be provided proof that Senator Obama is a 'natural born' citizen."

Alan Keyes and Wiley Drake were actually on the ballot in California and Markham Robinson is an Elector for Keyes-Drake.

If Keyes and Drake and Robinson don't have standing, one would be hard-pressed to find ANYONE who has standing and if the court attempts to use the lack-of-standing argument, it's an implied admission that NO ONE has standing to enforce the Constitution!


The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help - it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms - that's not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS - that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We're relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

Please use the hyperlink above to make your best TAX-DEDUCTIBLE effort to be a part of this battle and support the vital mission of USJF.

The Usurper-in-Chief...

Now... a dose of reality. Frankly, a case of this magnitude could be in the courts for years. There are no quick solutions... BUT THAT'S OKAY.

The key is in the following statement which also appears in the Petition:

"Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal."

Part of that statement bears repeating:

"... none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal."

In other words, as long as this case is in the courts, a cloud hangs over Senator Obama's head and for the sake of our Constitution and our Republic, the issue MUST be resolved!

If President Obama issues an Executive Order to rescind the Mexico City Policy and allows the tax dollars of Americans to fund organizations that promote abortions overseas, the door to question the legitimacy of that Executive Order remains open.

If President Obama signs a treaty with an unfriendly power or the United Nations, the door to question the legitimacy of that treaty remains open.

If President Obama signs a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens into law, the door to question the legitimacy of that law remains open.

If President Obama appoints new Commissioners to the FCC who bring back the so-called Fairness Doctrine, the door to question those appointments and the legitimacy of the actions taken by his appointees remains open.

That's not to say that he can't or won't be able to fulfill the duties of his office, but until this matter is resolved... until he can validate that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States, the door will always remain open to question and challenge the legitimacy of his actions and the dire consequences of those actions.

In short... as long as we have the resources to fight, we're ahead of the game!

That's where you come in.


The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help - it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms - that's not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS - that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We're relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

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This Is A Fight To The Finish.

To be brutally blunt, a case of this magnitude may not be won or lost on the merits.

I'm very proud of USJF's accomplishments over the past 29 years.

We've defended members of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

USJF led the fight on both the appellate and trial court levels to protect the right of all families in California to home-school their children.

We've testified before the United States Senate on Supreme Court appointees.

But all that won't really matter. It won't matter which side has the most skilled attorneys. Talent, competence and experience do not assure victory.

Here's the bottom line.

Team Obama presently has THREE LAW FIRMS at its disposal - and a seemingly unlimited ability to raise funds from the far-left for re-enforcements.

Three law firms potentially translates to scores of attorneys and possibly hundreds of clerks who can literally throw paperwork at us until we crack under the sheer pressure and cry uncle.

They'll stall and delay and throw work at us so fast, so furiously and for so long... then they'll wait for us to break under the strain and give up. Or so they think...

Team Obama doesn't fear our skill or the merits of our case.

The ONLY THING THEY FEAR IS YOU!

They hope and pray that you will not support our efforts or that you will grow tired of the fight. Conversely, what they fear most is that you will join us and support our efforts!

They know that if you support us, we'll have the ability to take on additional clerical and research staff, cover court fees, file briefs and take on outside counsel on an as-needed basis.

That's why they're praying you don't help us... but we're praying that you do!

USJF wasn't approached by a group of hot-shot movers and shakers. We took on this burden because like you we love this great country and we REFUSE to stand idly by while the Left disrespects the Constitution, the American people and our electoral process.

USJF is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization. We go where others fear to tread. We're adept at taking on vastly superior forces. And we're committed to hitting the trenches on this one and willing to get bloody if we must.

That's our promise to you.

But, in the end, our commitment and our "pit-bull" determination doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Winning or losing is NOT in our control... and it's not in Team Obama's control... IT'S IN YOUR HANDS!

A lot of folks are very angry over Barack Obama's refusal to validate his eligibility to be President of the United States.

Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution, the rights of Patriotic Americans under the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

Is it worth forwarding this e-mail to your family and friends with a personal note asking them to join the fight?

The choice is now up to you.

Please help us and after helping us, please forward this e-mail to everyone in your address book.

We're in... how about you?


The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help - it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms - that's not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS - that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We're relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

https://secure.conservativedonations.com/usjf_house/?a=1949

Gary Kreep, Executive Director
United States Justice Foundation

[libertarian4321]

Translation: This has no chance of going anywhere, but WE WANT YOUR MONEY!

SEND CASH NOW!

[Volitzer]

They got 5 states on board as well as Alan Keyes and Phil Berg.

But thanks for your optimism and your Constitutional support. :mad:

[Kotin]

the point is.. it will not go anywhere.

because either way, if they did forge it, we wont catch them, if they didnt then its useless.


and the fact that Alan Keyes is involved speaks for itself.

[bojo68]

They got 5 states on board as well as Alan Keyes and Phil Berg.

But thanks for your optimism and your Constitutional support. :mad:

Libertarian is a troll, don't worry about him.

[dannno]

the point is.. it will not go anywhere.

because either way, if they did forge it, we wont catch them, if they didnt then its useless.

If they forge it, then the scientists that the defense has agreed to analyze the document should be able to do some simple carbon dating and other tests to determine it's authenticity.

I'm not saying their won't be shenanigans, but you have to try. I find it morally reprehensible not to.

[Zippyjuan]

The US Supreme Court today rejected without comment the latest lawsuit challening Obama's citizenship. They saw no merit in persuing the issue.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-obamas-citizenship/?hp

[newyearsrevolution08]

If we don't stand up for various things just like this simply because "well it odds are won't work" then we might as well all just stop now......

Fight it as best we can, I would however push and market this idea to the mccain supporters, they would have more money to push this effort harder than we would PLUS they would love to get mccain back in the lime light again.

Maybe sending this info to the mccain forums would be more beneficial as well as local republican gop offices. Maybe a list of email and physical addresses are in order.

[Zippyjuan]

The State of Hawaii has declared the birth certificate to be valid and even the US Supreme Court has ruled (today)that there is no reason to hear an appeal of the most recent lawsuit. For some people, that is still not enough. There is no proof which could be offered which will change their minds. Additional proof will be declared to be "faked" or part of a cover-up.

He was born of a US citizen mother in one of the several states (Hawaii- which became a US state two years before Obama's birth).

[RickyJ]

Translation: This has no chance of going anywhere, but WE WANT YOUR MONEY!

SEND CASH NOW!

Translation: "I voted for Obama."

[libertarian4321]

Translation: "I voted for Obama."

Okay, zippy- if you are so confident that these lawsuits will work, care to wager $10,000 on it?

[libertarian4321]

Libertarian is a troll, don't worry about him.

You're just mad because I bitch slapped you last week and because I've done more for the libertarian movement than you ever will.

If you have an argument, bring it, otherwise, your posts are a waste of space.

The original "plea" asked for money more times than a televangelist- thats why I said it was more about "GIVE US YOUR MONEY" than anything else.

[RickyJ]

The State of Hawaii has declared the birth certificate to be valid and even the US Supreme Court has ruled (today)that there is no reason to hear an appeal of the most recent lawsuit. For some people, that is still not enough. There is no proof which could be offered which will change their minds. Additional proof will be declared to be "faked" or part of a cover-up.

He was born of a US citizen mother in one of the several states (Hawaii- which became a US state two years before Obama's birth).


Translation: "I voted for Obama too."

There is NO PROOF, NONE WHATSOEVER that Obama was born in the USA!

There are EYEWITNESSES to his BIRTH in KENYA!

[RickyJ]

Okay, zippy- if you are so confident that these lawsuits will work, care to wager $10,000 on it?

Translation: "I love my Obama this much, $10,000."

He is a puppet of the elite that can be taken out any day of their choosing since he WAS BORN in KENYA!

He will do whatever they want him to do. :eek:

[bojo68]

You're just mad because I bitch slapped you last week and because I've done more for the libertarian movement than you ever will.

If you have an argument, bring it, otherwise, your posts are a waste of space.

The original "plea" asked for money more times than a televangelist- thats why I said it was more about "GIVE US YOUR MONEY" than anything else.

As par usual, your full of crap, AGAIN. You have no idea what I have or have not done for the lib party, and it's immaterial to the subject at hand anyway.(for the record, I'd be willing to bet I've done more than you on almost any level, becuse your to incoherent to ever have done much. My vote record from 13 yrs ago goes unbroken far as I know)

If you'd "bitch slapped" me, you wouldn't be able to type, and on account of your trying to posit such trash, I doubt you've ever "bitch slapped" anybody.

Everything I've seen from you suggests the air you breathe is a waste.

[bojo68]

The US Supreme Court today rejected without comment the latest lawsuit challening Obama's citizenship. They saw no merit in persuing the issue.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-obamas-citizenship/?hp

While that's true, it doesn't give the full picture. Here's a link that does.


http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

[Zippyjuan]

You are correct that there is at least one case still potentially on the Supreme Court list which they have not examined yet. There are also numerous suits filed at state levels.

Okay, zippy- if you are so confident that these lawsuits will work, care to wager $10,000 on it?
Are you willing to put up the other $10,000?
Oh and by the way I should point out that I do NOT believe that the lawsuits will work. I do not think that they WILL work.

[libertarian4321]

becuse your to incoherent to ever have done much. My vote record from 13 yrs ago goes unbroken far as I know)



If you were educated and coherent, you'd realize that "your" should be "you're" (I'll overlook the improperly spelled "becuse" as a type).

BTW, I've done a lot more than just show up to vote. I've done real work for the party- including running for office many times, holding leadership positions in the party, and donating a lot of money.

I didn't vote Libertarian this year because there was no real Libertarian (or libertarian) on the ballot. Bob Barr was not, and it not, a libertarian.

Small "l" libertarians were disenfranchised this year. Here in Texas, we had the choice of voting for the "lesser evil" of a liberal (Obama) and two neocons (McWar and Barr), casting a meaningless "write in" for a non-libertarian third party guy, or not voting at all.

If it wasn't for the opportunity to vote for good Libertarians down ballot, there wouldn't have been a reason to even vote this year.

A sad state of affairs for this country.

[libertarian4321]

He will do whatever they want him to do. :eek:

Nutty conspiracy theories aside, the SCOTUS, which is not under control of Obama or either party (or shadowy "elite" conspirators), will dismiss this case and the others like it because they are nonsense.

The fact that you won't put your money where your mouth is shows that you realize how utterly pointless this is.

We need to figure out how to get libertarians elected, not waste time, money, and effort on hopeless "sour grapes" law suits.

[jack555]

The State of Hawaii has declared the birth certificate to be valid and even the US Supreme Court has ruled (today)that there is no reason to hear an appeal of the most recent lawsuit. For some people, that is still not enough. There is no proof which could be offered which will change their minds. Additional proof will be declared to be "faked" or part of a cover-up.

He was born of a US citizen mother in one of the several states (Hawaii- which became a US state two years before Obama's birth).

link? Hawaii said he had a birth certificate on record, they didn't say he was born in Hawaii. At the time of his birth Hawaii allowed you to have a birth certificate even though you were born somewhere else, it just didn't make you a U.S. citizen.

and Ca is the strongest hope we have right now

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=973&posts=5

[EastWindRain]

This should be the number 1 issue on Ron Paul Forums right now. If we can prove that Obama is not constitutionally electable, then the powers that be would be forced to call a new election. Ron Paul would then have another chance at being America's next President. Every Ron Paul supporter should be pulling for Obama to be disqualified, based on being born in Africa, not America. So what can we do to help these efforts. I read somewhere that Fox news mentioned the lawsuits today. At least that is a start.

[The_Orlonater]

Using statism to kick out a statist, marvelous. :rolleyes:
We are a bunch of conservative liberty-lovin' folks.

[RickyJ]

So what can we do to help these efforts.

Tell everyone you know about it. What else can be done? If everyone of us did that it would snowball and soon the entire nation would know.

[bojo68]

Nutty conspiracy theories aside, the SCOTUS, which is not under control of Obama or either party (or shadowy "elite" conspirators), will dismiss this case and the others like it because they are nonsense.

The fact that you won't put your money where your mouth is shows that you realize how utterly pointless this is.

We need to figure out how to get libertarians elected, not waste time, money, and effort on hopeless "sour grapes" law suits.

Summary= Blah, blah, blah, irrelevant BS, Blah blah. Throw in a heaping of "how great I am" because I CLAIM to have done something for the lib party, but whatever you do, don't notice that EVERYTHING I DO, is defamatory and counter to lib principles.
You ACT govt. like a govt troll, not a lib party supporter.

[EastWindRain]

Our efforts are obviously working! This topic is finally starting to get some main stream media attention. Keep up the pressure everyone. :clink

Obama Citizenship Case Denied by Supreme Court
December 8th, 2008.
YouTube - Obama Citizenship Case Denied by Supreme Court (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvl6pp6TfmI)

Supreme Court Won't Review Obama's Citizenship
December 8th, 2008
YouTube - Supreme Court Won't Review Obama's Citizenship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrMIDsLQOJg&feature=related)

Is Obama a natural born American citizen?
Dec 7th, 2008
YouTube - Is Obama a natural born American citizen? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnSILLM88NA&feature=related)

Lawsuit Contesting Obama Citizenship Continues
December 6th, 2008.
YouTube - Lawsuit Contesting Obama Citizenship Continues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjw9t4JSVg&feature=channel)

NBC lies in story "Is Obama A Natural Born Citizen?"
December 6th, 2008
YouTube - NBC lies in story "Is Obama A Natural Born Citizen?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7loSBWXaNI&NR=1)

[Reason]

translation: This has no chance of going anywhere, but we want your money!

Send cash now!

qft

[libertarian4321]

Summary= Blah, blah, blah, irrelevant BS, Blah blah. Throw in a heaping of "how great I am" because I CLAIM to have done something for the lib party, but whatever you do, don't notice that EVERYTHING I DO, is defamatory and counter to lib principles.
You ACT govt. like a govt troll, not a lib party supporter.

You continue to prattle on like a child, but offer no evidence. I have said NOTHING in favor of big government. I dare you to find anything- I have well over a thousand posts- have at it. Go for it- come up with something substantive rather than your normal drivel.

Hopefully, you have the mental capacity to understand that my stating that a nuisance lawsuit is going nowhere (because it isn't) is not "counter to Libertarian principles." If you don't have enough mental firepower to understand that, there is nothing I can do for you.

BTW, many folks on these forums know me personally from the CFL, meetups, Ronstock, etc. I have done as I claimed- you can still find the election results (I ran for US House of Representatives 4 times, and the TX state house once). This election cycle is the first time in many years that I haven't run- and that was only because I wanted to be a delegate for Ron Paul (and I was). The point of this was not to brag- but you claimed that I had done nothing for the movement, so I told you exactly what I had done.

And I still guarantee you these lawsuits are going exactly NOWHERE- any money spent on them is simply wasted...you may as well light it with a match.

If you want to waste your money on this nonsense, fine. But I'm going to use my resources a bit more intelligently.

[libertarian4321]

qft

I counted 15 times in the original post where they asked you to make a TAX DEDUCTIBLE! donation (I may have missed one or two).

They were about as subtle as a Televangelist in their effort to get our money...

[bojo68]

Whether these lawsuits go anywhere or not, lib party and especially Ron Paul both stress adherence to the constitution, something if you were half as bright as a pet rock you'd have figured out by now. Pushing the supremes to enforce the constitution is indeed libertarian, and Paulist, and for you to present yourself as the great messiah to the libs and be trying to sabotage ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING lib or Paulist, makes you eligible to be guessed to be a govt. plant. Add in the general incoherence and changing of subject every time you're presented with your own blasphemy only reinforces it.

Just for grins, I got about 17% of the voters in my area when I ran, something darn few libs ever approach. I doubt you came anywhere close.(not that that proves anything, 2/3rds of this country just voted for Obama, obviously sense isn't a requirement for vote getting)

[Dr.3D]

Obama BORN IN KENYA Confirmed by Kenyan Ambassador (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98TYSJDrmQ)

[dannno]

Obama BORN IN KENYA Confirmed by Kenyan Ambassador (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98TYSJDrmQ)

whoa:eek:

[libertarian4321]

Whether these lawsuits go anywhere or not, lib party and especially Ron Paul both stress adherence to the constitution, something if you were half as bright as a pet rock you'd have figured out by now.

The Donofrio suit (and the others) are more about the losers of an election experiencing a case of sour grapes than an attempt to "adhere to the Constitution."

BTW, my degrees include an undergrad degree in chemical engineering and an MBA. I'm pretty sure I'm bright enough to keep up with the likes of you, lol.


Pushing the supremes to enforce the constitution is indeed libertarian, and Paulist, and for you to present yourself as the great messiah to the libs and be trying to sabotage ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING lib or Paulist, makes you eligible to be guessed to be a govt. plant.

Then you guessed wrong. I've been knocking down wacky schemes on these boards for a long time now. We have a lot of folks who are long on enthusiasm and short on forethought. Running in circles and screaming may feel great, but unfocused activity is a waste of time and resources.

If people want to donate money, I recommend they use it for something useful- e.g. donate to the CFL. Or donate to Toys for tots or a worthy charity. Don't piss it away on this stuff- let the right wing nuts waste their money on this nonsense.


Add in the general incoherence

I have written nothing that would be "incoherent" to an educated man. Tell me what sentence confused you, and I'll re-word it using monosyllabic words so that you can understand.


Just for grins, I got about 17% of the voters in my area when I ran, something darn few libs ever approach. I doubt you came anywhere close.(not that that proves anything, 2/3rds of this country just voted for Obama, obviously sense isn't a requirement for vote getting)

It is common for Libertarians to get 10-25% in races where one of the major parties does not have a candidate. I've done it, and many other Libertarians have done the same here in Texas. In fact, thats how we have managed to maintain "major party" status for the past several years here. I GUARANTEE this was the case in your race.

C'mon, son, this isn't my first rodeo- don't think you can pass this off as something impressive when it isn't.

[EastWindRain]

Obama Vs. Constitution (60 Sec. TV Ad)
YouTube - Obama Vs. Constitution (60 Sec. TV Ad) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdk26ezVio)

[libertarian4321]

Whether these lawsuits go anywhere or not, lib party and especially Ron Paul both stress adherence to the constitution, something if you were half as bright as a pet rock you'd have figured out by now.

The Donofrio suit (and the others) are more about the losers of an election experiencing a case of sour grapes than an attempt to "adhere to the Constitution."

BTW, my degrees include an undergrad degree in chemical engineering and an MBA. I'm pretty sure I'm bright enough to keep up with the likes of you, lol.


Pushing the supremes to enforce the constitution is indeed libertarian, and Paulist, and for you to present yourself as the great messiah to the libs and be trying to sabotage ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING lib or Paulist, makes you eligible to be guessed to be a govt. plant.

Then you guessed wrong. I've been knocking down wacky schemes on these boards for a long time now. We have a lot of folks who are long on enthusiasm and short on forethought. Running in circles and screaming may feel great, but unfocused activity is a waste of time and resources.

If people want to donate money, I recommend they use it for something useful- e.g. donate to the CFL. Or donate to Toys for tots or a worthy charity. Don't piss it away on this stuff- let the right wing nuts waste their money on this nonsense.


Add in the general incoherence

I have written nothing that would be "incoherent" to an educated man. Tell me what sentence confused you, and I'll re-word it using monosyllabic words so that you can understand.


Just for grins, I got about 17% of the voters in my area when I ran, something darn few libs ever approach. I doubt you came anywhere close.(not that that proves anything, 2/3rds of this country just voted for Obama, obviously sense isn't a requirement for vote getting)

It is common for Libertarians to get 10-25% in races where one of the major parties does not have a candidate. I've done it, and many other Libertarians have done the same here in Texas. In fact, thats how we have managed to maintain "major party" status for the past several years here. I GUARANTEE this was the case in your race.

C'mon, son, this isn't my first rodeo- don't think you can pass this off as something impressive when it isn't.

[bojo68]

The Donofrio suit (and the others) are more about the losers of an election experiencing a case of sour grapes than an attempt to "adhere to the Constitution."

^^Right THERE is an example of your incoherence. You think you can pronounce anything to be anything you want it to be, and as par usual, your wrong again.


BTW, my degrees include an undergrad degree in chemical engineering and an MBA. I'm pretty sure I'm bright enough to keep up with the likes of you, lol.

Well, your certainly one of the best arguments for skipping college. I've debated people like you on live tv, and won thank you.




Then you guessed wrong. I've been knocking down wacky schemes on these boards for a long time now. We have a lot of folks who are long on enthusiasm and short on forethought. Running in circles and screaming may feel great, but unfocused activity is a waste of time and resources.

OMG, I didn't realize you had your head that far up your ass. So, according to you, we all need to check in with YOU to see if our ideas are "wacky" by your opinion so's we all know will be on your team. Never mind what some inconsequential guy Like Ron Paul says about such. You really think your something don't ya. I do too, only I cal it Piled Higher and Deeper.


If people want to donate money, I recommend they use it for something useful- e.g. donate to the CFL. Or donate to Toys for tots or a worthy charity. Don't piss it away on this stuff- let the right wing nuts waste their money on this nonsense.



I have written nothing that would be "incoherent" to an educated man. Tell me what sentence confused you, and I'll re-word it using monosyllabic words so that you can understand.

The subject here is the SCOTUS cases, so far, in this post, YOU have brought up your supposed miseducation, and what other people ought to do with their money according to you. Your to ignorant to even know what incoherent is.




It is common for Libertarians to get 10-25% in races where one of the major parties does not have a candidate. I've done it, and many other Libertarians have done the same here in Texas. In fact, thats how we have managed to maintain "major party" status for the past several years here. I GUARANTEE this was the case in your race.

Your wrong again. I did in a 3 way race, against an incomebent. (because your so thick, I spell it that way on purpose) Not only that, but my vote cost was .3 cents each, my opponents was over 30$/ea.



C'mon, son, this isn't my first rodeo- don't think you can pass this off as something impressive when it isn't.

I'm not trying to be impressive, just trying to show you for what you are, and that's somebody that trys to bs everybody that they're gods gift to the libs, and then screws up anything he comes near. I've gotta wonder if you weren't one of the ones that thought Bob Barr was a good thing. That seems about your speed.
I'm not going to debate you anymore, you've been breathing your own exhaust for to long, your brain dead. I will show the ridiculousness of your actions though.

[werdd]

4321 is just trying to defend the guy he voted for. An obama shill before the election, likewise after.

[pcosmar]

I don't think anything will come of it. That is not to say it shouldn't be tried, if nothing else , just for the record.
Obama was pushed into place by some powerful forces, and it is apparent that they will not give up.

For the record, I am NOT a supporter, but I did predict this before the Democrat Primary circus was over. Search my post history, it's in there.
These people DO NOT care about the Constitution. The whole point of Pushing this nobody, with No qualifications, into place was to destroy what is left of our Constitution.
His purpose is to cause unrest. I expect that he will be assassinated, that some dumb kid will be blamed, and the unrest will lead to martial law.
I have said this before.
McCain was chosen to lose.
He did not beat Hilliary's War machine without powerful help.
He has No qualifications. NO coherent message.

This all stinks. Be ready for it to get worse.

[Zippyjuan]

link? Hawaii said he had a birth certificate on record, they didn't say he was born in Hawaii. At the time of his birth Hawaii allowed you to have a birth certificate even though you were born somewhere else, it just didn't make you a U.S. citizen.

and Ca is the strongest hope we have right now

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=973&posts=5
It is not hard to search for.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/BREAKING01/81031064

Hawaii officials declare Obama birth certificate genuine


State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i.


Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said today she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.


Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.


She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.


Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S.


Earlier today, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.


The article also mentions more lawsuits related to the matter which have been rejected.

And the birth announcement appeard in both of the main newpapers (see copies of them in this link: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

But as I said earlier, for some people no proof will be good enough. They cannot accept the fact that 1) Barak Obama was born in the US. 2) He is a citizen and most importantly. 3) was elected the president of the United States. I think it is this third point which irritates more people who are trying to claim the first two points are wrong. So they will waste time and resources to try to disprove all of these.

[Zippyjuan]

Obama BORN IN KENYA Confirmed by Kenyan Ambassador (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98TYSJDrmQ)


Listen to the video. It is the radio DJs who say that Obama was born in Kenya. The Ambasador does not say that he was. They did not ask the question "was Obama born in Kenya", they stated that Obama was born in Kenya and tried to take his lack of denial as acceptance of their statement. This is worthless as any proof of anything. I am amazed that people accept this as "proof" but deny a verified birth certificate.

[bojo68]

4321 is just trying to defend the guy he voted for. An obama shill before the election, likewise after.

I didn't know he was an Obumba shill, but that certainly adds to my point of his being incoherent and ignorant.

[libertarian4321]

^^Right THERE is an example of your incoherence. You think you can pronounce anything to be anything you want it to be, and as par usual, your wrong again.

Okay, I get it now. You don't understand the meaning of the word coherence. Just because you don't agree with something I say doesn't make it "incoherent."

Thats something you might have learned if you had actually gone to college.


Well, your certainly one of the best arguments for skipping college. I've debated people like you on live tv, and won thank you.


Again, it should be "you're", not your. Education isn't a bad thing- you ought to try it. I suspect your continued ranting against education (including two more times in this last post) is a defensive mechanism. You feel inferior, so you attack those who have achieved more than you have.

Wouldn't it be better for you to just go out and improve yourself?

Also, just because you think you "won" doesn't mean you did.


Your wrong again. I did in a 3 way race, against an incomebent. (because your so thick, I spell it that way on purpose) Not only that, but my vote cost was .3 cents each, my opponents was over 30$/ea.


I didn't say it wasn't a "3 way race", I said it was a race with only one major party candidate. You need to learn to read and comprehend. I guarantee you weren't facing two MAJOR PARTY (thats a Democrat and a Republican- in case you still haven't caught on) candidates. Before you start blustering again and claim that you did run against two major party candidates, let me forewarn you that I will expect you to back up that claim by showing me election results. Something I'm sure you can't provide.




I've gotta wonder if you weren't one of the ones that thought Bob Barr was a good thing.

I'm on record here as opposing him from day one. Actually, before day one- I said he was a terrible choice even before he received the nomination.


I'm not going to debate you anymore,

You haven't debated at all, just thrown feces against the wall...

[pcosmar]

You haven't debated at all, just thrown feces against the wall...

And you have been playing in it and smearing it around.
:rolleyes:

[libertarian4321]

4321 is just trying to defend the guy he voted for. An obama shill before the election, likewise after.

I never "shilled" for him.

I did vote for him as the "lesser evil" and I clearly explained my rationale for doing so in more than one post. I was using my vote to attempt to avert as much damage to the country as I could. I was utterly disgusted by McCain/Palin and never denied it. I simply did not think the country could tolerate four more years of screw ups by another fool in the white house.

If you think that I was "shilling" for Obama because I pointed out the many weaknesses of John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are about as bright as bozo68.

[EastWindRain]

Birth Certificate Lawsuit - Obama can't be President
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q1twiyRpN4&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=obama+birth+certificate+fraud&emb=0&aq=2&oq=obama+birth+cer&feature=player_embedded

OBAMA BORN IN KENYA SAYS GRANDMA !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSgdbiuIVBc

Sarah Obama Reveals Barack Obama Was Born In Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGWcD5OHm08&feature=related

Kenyan Ambassador admits Obama born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14

Obama Is Not A Natural Born U.S. Citizen And Is Therefore Ineligible For The Presidency / Documentary Video
Obama Citizenship: I Invented The Internet (Ep. 6: October Surprise)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs (4.4 MILLION VIEWS)

Leaders within the Black community don't even support Obama the Fraud.
Produce the Dog Gone Birth Certificate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJc6uczdhE0

[bojo68]

I never "shilled" for him.

I did vote for him as the "lesser evil" and I clearly explained my rationale for doing so in more than one post. I was using my vote to attempt to avert as much damage to the country as I could. I was utterly disgusted by McCain/Palin and never denied it. I simply did not think the country could tolerate four more years of screw ups by another fool in the white house.

If you think that I was "shilling" for Obama because I pointed out the many weaknesses of John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are about as bright as bozo68.

Of course any true RP supporter would know the fallacy of such, especially after as many times as RP has covered the issue. The whole "lesser of two evils is still evil" stuff.

This guy thinks his opinion is so important that everybody else should kowtow to his ideas of what's right or not, and this is as good as he can do. I say hogwash, he's either incredibly slow or a saboteur. One thing is known for SURE, he'll knife the movement in the back for the same old story that's worked on the rest of the sheeple.

[EastWindRain]

Correction: The Philip J. Berg case has been moved to Dec. 12th --just three days before the electoral college votes.

I don't see how they could adequately review the evidence in that short a time. The longer they wait, the bigger a mess this will be.

There's only a month and ten days until the inauguration.

******************************

Let's hope the Berg lawsuit has better luck. It's coming up on Dec. 11th.


Our First Illegal Alien President: Supreme Court Fails to Act

The Supreme Court has refused to check the Constitutional eligibility of Obama to be president.

by Jeff Davis

The Supreme Court has once again shirked its duty to protect the Constitution –this time by declining to touch the Obama citzenship case. Not only is our justice system ponderous, arbitrary and frequently insane; it is cowardly. There could hardly be a more clear cut issue than the Obama citizenship case. Obama’s relatives and a Kenyan ambassador say Obama was born in Kenya. Obama lived in Indonesia for four years and traveled on an Indonesian passport in 1981. You must be an Indonesian citizen to have one of those. All this information is widely available on the Internet. There is no excuse for the Supreme Court to shirk its duty to uphold the Constitution.


The First Illegal Alien President Barack Obama

According to a recent news article “The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth. The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a natural born citizen, one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.”

The Donofrio case was one of the more eccentric cases brought up challenging Obama’s citizenship. One wonders if they deliberately picked a case proposed by an oddball while ignoring much better prepared cases like Philip J. Berg’s case which contends that Obama was born in Kenya and Obama changed his citizenship to Indonesian when he lived there from 1967 through 1971 (and reportedly renewed his Indonesian passport in 1981 as an adult).

Technically speaking there is still a thin ray of hope that someone in Washington, D.C. might remember their duty. The article notes “At least one other appeal over Obama’s citizenship remains at the (Supreme) court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says... Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy.”

Obama's surrogates have posted a document called a "Certificate of Live Birth" (COLB) on the Internet. The document posted on fightthesmears.com has been called a forgery by a document expert who spotted several signs of tampering. Even if Obama has a COLB, that proves nothing since the state of Hawaii will issue this document if the mother had been a resident of Hawaii in the year before the baby was born --even if the baby was born overseas. The Obama people and the liberal media conspicuously omit this fact every time the topic is brought up.

Well, an army of know-it-alls have been making the unfortunately obvious prediction that the Supreme Court would do nothing, blithely ignoring the magnitude of the disaster that this is for the US Constitution. Since when do Americans say “We expect the highest court in the US to spit on the Constitution whenever a controversial case comes up for a vote.” Any decision by a judge against a lawsuit demanding proof of citizenship for Barack Obama is an act of treason and should be considered immediate grounds for that judge to be impeached and put on trial himself for extreme neglect of duty.

Obama’s birth certificate itself remains buried under official seal where no one can see it -–if in fact any such document exists, which is looking increasingly unlikely. Obama's birth certificate may be on file in Hawaii, but it may just be a Kenyan birth certificate. Unless Obama is the most arrogant man in the world, why would he let this citizenship issue fester since the logical way to get this lawsuit dismissed would have been to produce a Hawaiian birth document itself —assuming of course that he has one.

Would any other court in the civilized world have allowed Obama to get away with not producing the document in question? Would any other court in the world have conspired to help Obama dodge the law and legal requirements for the highest political office in the land? Clearly political correctness has reached a new low in the United States –even worse than the most liberal nations in Europe.

[Pepsi]

Update on Berg's

The U.S. Supreme Court has turned aside a request to stop the Electoral College from selecting the 44th president, in a vote scheduled for Monday, until Barack Obama documents his eligibility for the office under the Constitution's requirement that presidents must be "natural born" citizens.

The action came in a case brought to the high court by Philip J. Berg, who alleges Obama is ineligible to be president.

Berg had asked the court for an injunction the stay the Electoral College votes and prohibit Vice President Dick Cheney, the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate from counting any votes until that demanded proof arrives.

The injunction was sought while Berg awaits the court's determination on whether it will hear his writ of certiorari requesting review of a dismissal of his case in U.S. District Court in eastern Pennsylvania.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83299

[Pepsi]

Rumors of a decision denying Cort’s application are unequivocally false. A SCOTUS Spokesperson just told Cort Wrotnowski there has been no decision. She indicated there will be no decision until Monday. The conference is sealed, no clerks are allowed in

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/natural-born-citizen-defined-by-14th-amendment-framers-and-in-treatise-relied-on-by-scalia/

[bojo68]

Rumors of a decision denying Cort’s application are unequivocally false. A SCOTUS Spokesperson just told Cort Wrotnowski there has been no decision. She indicated there will be no decision until Monday. The conference is sealed, no clerks are allowed in

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/natural-born-citizen-defined-by-14th-amendment-framers-and-in-treatise-relied-on-by-scalia/

That in and of itself says that that the SCOTUS doesn't see any point in making the decision BEFORE the counting starts on the 15th. While they have until 1-20, it seems to suggest a lack of urgency that surprises me a little.

[Dieseler]

Look at all this dirt.
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/obama-indictment-blagojevich-arrest-patrick-fitzgerald-December-11-2008-rezko-trialobama-rezko-levine-blagojevich-health-planning-board-pay-for-play-il-senate-obama-arrest-and-indictment/
Lolz.

[libertarian4321]

Of course any true RP supporter would know the fallacy of such, especially after as many times as RP has covered the issue. The whole "lesser of two evils is still evil" stuff.

Ron Paul was the candidate I supported.

Ron Paul was not on the ballot.

Unlike you, I am not a blind, slavish follower. I do not see Ron Paul as an infallible God who must be obeyed- and I'm pretty sure Ron wouldn't want us to see him that way. Ron Paul chose to half heartedly "endorse" a CP theocrat after being goaded into it by Bob Barr.

Because I supported Ron Paul the candidate does not mean I support the guy he gives a lame endorsement to. There was no reason to caste a pointless "write in" vote for a guy who wasn't even on the ballot in my state (TX). BTW, Baldwin got 0.06% of the vote here- slightly LESS than Alan Keyes and a bit more than "Mickey Mouse."

You will also note that Ron did NOT say who he personally was going to vote for, despite the "endorsement" for exactly the reason I stated (Baldwin not being on the ballot).

[Theocrat]

This video (http://campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=5929) is a meeting of the National Press Club, where they discuss the Constitutionality of Obama's legal status to be President. It is a very informative and engaging study of this important issue, and it is a must-see for all Constitutional patriots. Special thanks to the "Campaign for Liberty" for uploading the video on their blog.

[IPSecure]

This video (http://campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=5929) is a meeting of the National Press Club, where they discuss the Constitutionality of Obama's legal status to be President. It is a very informative and engaging study of this important issue, and it is a must-see for all Constitutional patriots. Special thanks to the "Campaign for Liberty" for uploading the video on their blog.

Democrat Party, Secretary Of State, Pelosi, Certify Dead Elector?
Forward to 2:17:00

Also covered: Saudi's controlling the media... (Other than the taxpayer funded propaganda...) (46:00)
Is this not a national security issue? According to this information Barry is a dual citizen of Indonesia, and as such, under the rule of the queen.
England wins yet again?

What will it take to have anyone in any branch of the government actually stand up for what they all swear an oath to?
(Other than one Great Dr...)

WTF?

[CurtisLow]

Lawsuit Filed Against Obama-Does Not Qualify For President

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzFl-Gm_Kc


.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Theo..how much ya wanna bet libertarian won't bother to watch it. Obama is his guy.

Libertarian- Americans got tired of the rest of the world thinking they were dumb, so they went to the polls on november 4th and removed all doubt.

TONES

[Pepsi]

Supreme Court refuses 2nd challenge to eligibility

The U.S. Supreme Court has rejected a second challenge to the presidency of Barack Obama, announcing today it denied an application for a stay or an injunction in a case from Connecticut.

The case brought by Cort Wrotnowski had been distributed for review by the court and apparently was considered during a conference of the justices Friday.

It met the same fate as an earlier case brought by Leo Donofrio and essentially challenged Obama on the same issue: allegations that dual citizenship based on a father who was a British subject and a mother who was an American minor disqualified him for office under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that presidents be "natural born" citizens.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83693

[libertarian4321]

Theo..how much ya wanna bet libertarian won't bother to watch it.

Hey, you finally got something right. The "video" is more than 2.5 hours of an old guy in a suit standing at a lecturne and speaking in a monotone. Its a pretty safe bet that I'll never wade through that.


Obama is his guy.

Incorrect.

I never made a pro-Obama case (unlike your constant and repetitive pro-McCain e shilling.

As I clearly stated, I voted for Obama as the lesser evil, nothing more.


Libertarian- Americans got tired of the rest of the world thinking they were dumb, so they went to the polls on november 4th and removed all doubt.

The Libertarian Party did make a HUGE mistake by nominating a neocon like Barr (fit in nicely with neocon McCain)- they sold their souls and sold out on their principals to "get more votes" with a "name" candidate. In the end, they lost their souls and didn't get any more votes.

However, many of the more insightful Libertarians, including myself, never supported him with our time, money, or vote. Others may have voted for Barr as the "lesser evil" (something I had initially intended to do up until the presser incident), but gave him no other support.

The Libertarian Party made a mistake this year, and we'll fix it next election- unlike the major parties, who continue to run bad candidates every election.

Oh, btw, how are these lawsuits against Obama working out?

As you may recall, I said they'd go down in flames, and stated that every dollar spent on them was a waste of money.

Guess I was right - just as I was right when I told you McCain and Palin were going down in flames...

[Pepsi]

Two cases raising questions about Barack Obama's eligibility to be president under the U.S. Constitution's requirement chief executives be "natural born" citizens have been turned back by Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy.

Kennedy denied without comment an appeal by Philip J. Berg which alleged Obama is a citizen either of Kenya or Indonesia and thus ineligible, as well as a California case making similar claims, according to a statement on the court's website.

It's the latest in a series of decisions by the Supreme Court rejecting a full hearing on the questions.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83869

[tonesforjonesbones]

Bad attention span libertarian? you'll grow out of it eventually. you supported obama because he is trendy..pity. It is a lie that I supported mccain ...I supported SARAH PALIN and i still do..no apology from me for that one. Tones

[bojo68]

theo..how much ya wanna bet libertarian won't bother to watch it. Obama is his guy.

Libertarian- americans got tired of the rest of the world thinking they were dumb, so they went to the polls on november 4th and removed all doubt.

Tones

:):) yep!:)

[bojo68]

Just thought maybe I should mention that Orly Taitz is writing a letter to justice Roberts(which she assumes is one of the justices voting against the suits).
What I find interesting is she's reaching out to the military, and claims they have the authority do act as necessary to prevent a usurper from becoming their commanding officer. Far as I know, this is the first there's been any real consequences planned as a result of the courts failure to answer a petition for grievances.

http://drorly.blogspot.com/

Just for grins, Libertarian reminds me of the Oregon state police bomb squad guy that KNEW that the bank bomb the other day was a fake. He proclaimed it a hoax, took it inside and when it blew it killed him, another, and seriously injured a third, all because he, like libertarian, KNEW what it really was. He's DEAD RIGHT now, to bad justice isn't always this fast.

[Pepsi]

Supreme Court to talk about Obama 3rd time. Berg eligibility case set for conference Jan. 9

One of the original legal challenges to President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility for office to reach the U.S. Supreme Court now has been scheduled for a conference, a meeting at which the justices discuss its merits and whether to step into the fray.

Online schedules posted by the court show the case brought by attorney Philip J. Berg is set for a conference Jan. 9.

The case is one among several that already have reached the U.S. Supreme Court and address the issue of Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that presidents be "natural born" citizens.

Berg has submitted several requests for injunctions, seeking the court's order to stay proceedings in the electoral process until his case is heard, but the request have been rejected.

His original claim, however, remains on track to be heard.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83980

[libertarian4321]

Bad attention span libertarian? you'll grow out of it eventually. you supported obama because he is trendy..pity. It is a lie that I supported mccain ...I supported SARAH PALIN and i still do..no apology from me for that one. Tones

Give me a break- you and EndtheFed were brazenly shilling for McCain- it got so bad that I threatened to donate money to Obama every time you or he put up another post shilling for McCain. Thats what finally got the two of you to stop.

I can find plenty of threads/posts where you and End were shilling for McCain and his little buddy Sarah. You can't find one where I was shilling for Obama (calling him the "lesser evil" isn't the same as your blatant shilling).

BTW, do you still support Palin knowing that she associates with criminals? I can't wait to hear the details of the Wasilla arrest. I'm betting its a meth thing.

[Pepsi]

A new law suit was filed against Obama challenging election results in Florida

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/21-first-lawsuit-against-obama.html

[Pepsi]

Kenyan government imposes gag order on Obama family.

The Kenyan government has barred unapproved contacts between the media and President-elect Barack Obama's extended family.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84172


An update on the one in Washington. .

http://decalogosintl.org/?p=106#more-106

An update on the lawsuite in Mississippi, this one is seeking to require Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann to verify proof of citizenship from all of the presidential candidates. the case is still being considered

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1974

[cheapseats]

Ind. lawsuit challenges Obama's eligibility
Updated: Dec 25, 2008 04:28 PM


Indianapolis - Two Indiana men have filed a lawsuit claiming that Barack Obama is not eligible to serve as president.

The suit, like some others that have stalled in federal courts, questions whether Obama meets the constitutional requirement that the president must be a "natural born citizen."

The suit was filed in Marion Superior Court in Indianapolis by Steve Ankeny, New Castle, and Bill Kruse, Roselawn, The Indianapolis Star reported Thursday.

It names Gov. Mitch Daniels and the Republican and Democratic national committees as defendants, saying they failed to uphold the Constitution when they certified results of the November election.

It asks Judge David Dreyer to throw out the election results.

The suit is one of five similar challenges. The others were filed in Alabama, Georgia, Illinois and Michigan, Ankeny said.

The Indiana suit contends neither Obama nor Republican Sen. John McCain proved he was a natural born citizen and that neither was eligible to be elected president because both were sitting U.S. senators at the time of the election.

"Our argument is that there has to be evidence that a candidate - any candidate - actually meets the qualifications," Ankeny said.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. citizens while his father was stationed there while serving in the military.

Obama's birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii, but his father was not a U.S. citizen and some have claimed the document is a fake. Hawaii officials have said they checked health department records and have determined there's no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii. The nonpartisan Web site Factcheck.org examined the original document and said it does have a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document.

The U.S. Supreme Court this month refused without comment to hear a challenge to Obama's citizenship.

The governor's office had no comment other than to confirm that it had received a copy of the suit. Officials at the Indiana state Republican and Democratic parties refused to accept the summons and it was not clear whether national party officials had been served.

Henry Karlson, professor emeritus at the Indiana University School of Law-Indianapolis, said the plaintiffs lack standing to challenge the election and the lawsuit targeted the wrong defendants.

"They should be suing the electors, not the governor," Karlson said.

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=9580054

[sidster]

Indianapolis - Two Indiana men have filed a lawsuit claiming that Barack Obama is not eligible to serve as president.
...
The suit was filed in Marion Superior Court in Indianapolis by Steve Ankeny, New Castle, and Bill Kruse, Roselawn, The Indianapolis Star reported Thursday.

It names Gov. Mitch Daniels and the Republican and Democratic national committees as defendants, saying they failed to uphold the Constitution when they certified results of the November election.

It asks Judge David Dreyer to throw out the election results.
...
The governor's office had no comment other than to confirm that it had received a copy of the suit. Officials at the Indiana state Republican and Democratic parties refused to accept the summons and it was not clear whether national party officials had been served.

Henry Karlson, professor emeritus at the Indiana University School of Law-Indianapolis, said the plaintiffs lack standing to challenge the election and the lawsuit targeted the wrong defendants.

"They should be suing the electors, not the governor," Karlson said.

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=9580054

Interesting. Why don't every US citizen sue the electors?
Just a mass class action lawsuits against the electors on
behalf of each and every citizen?

[asimplegirl]

The State of Hawaii has declared the birth certificate to be valid and even the US Supreme Court has ruled (today)that there is no reason to hear an appeal of the most recent lawsuit. For some people, that is still not enough. There is no proof which could be offered which will change their minds. Additional proof will be declared to be "faked" or part of a cover-up.

He was born of a US citizen mother in one of the several states (Hawaii- which became a US state two years before Obama's birth).

See this, included with the birth announcements in the two local papers is enough for me to just let it go.

I voted McCain- Palin as the lesser of two evils, also. :).. and yes, the lesser may still be evil, but that is how our society works, and my one vote would not have been good enough to do anything anyway, I mean, 60% of my state voted them anyway. Just so people don't flame me for this, I wanted to write Ron in, but saw that as a wasted vote. Sorry. As for the other two, there were things I liked, and things I didn't. In the end, it came down to the one decision that would affect me *personally*, and that was the second amendment... I thought M/P would atleast leave things alone in that area.

I do think it is just silly to keep going on with this Obama born in Kenya stuff. Just let it go..Even if it were true, which it has proven to not be, there is too much money tied up in keeping him in that position than you could ever offer. Distribute you funds in better ways... maybe to put towards keeping certain things form getting passed, or even getting some things passed. Ads and campaigning and such all costs money.

Sometimes not knowing when to stop can give us a worse name, and lose more to our cause than not doing anything. After a certain level of proof, we begin to look like paranoid weirdos, who wants to support that?

[Number19]

...But as I said earlier, for some people no proof will be good enough. They cannot accept the fact that 1) Barak Obama was born in the US. 2) He is a citizen and most importantly. 3) was elected the president of the United States. I think it is this third point which irritates more people who are trying to claim the first two points are wrong. So they will waste time and resources to try to disprove all of these.The problem I have, and I do try to stay objective, is that every time I read a rebuttal to these charges, the responses are "lies". Not big lies, just little small ones, such as the phrasing of a sentence, which often is technically correct, it just doesn't directly address the issue. Such obfuscation is a form of lie.

A good example is your point #2, where you write, "He is a citizen...". As far as I know, this is not in dispute and has never been in dispute. Obama is an American citizen. But note, the word "is" is "present tense". The question is, under American law, "was" Obama an American citizen at birth. In 1961, the law was codified under The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952.

I don't think it is disputed that the Obama's were living in Hawaii, and had satisfied the legal requirements of having done so for at least the previous year. But the way I see the dispute is whether they had traveled to Kenya to be with family during the birth. Returning to Hawaii, they then obtained the legal Certification of Live Birth and at which point the newspapers published the birth announcement.

This scenario has never been "proven" to be false, to my knowledge. All we have is rhetoric claiming it to be false.

[asimplegirl]

Thank you so much for being so diplomatic in your approach.

This, my friends, is debating. Not arguing, or forcing your views on anyone else...

I get exactly what you are saying. When phrased this way, maybe it should be looked into, but that will not be very hard or take a very long time. A quick look at laws, residences, and the birth records can all prove this to be true or false in a matter of seconds.

[Number19]

But the only, proper place for this airing would be the Supreme Court. Some would still dispute any decision, but for all but the most radical, this would put a definitive end to this divisive issue.

But the issue is dead and I understand why the Supremes refused to take the issue to a full hearing - socially and politically it had the potential of being catastrophic.

[asimplegirl]

exactly

[cheapseats]

But the only, proper place for this airing would be the Supreme Court. Some would still dispute any decision, but for all but the most radical, this would put a definitive end to this divisive issue.

But the issue is dead and I understand why the Supremes refused to take the issue to a full hearing - socially and politically it had the potential of being catastrophic.

REFUSING to hold a full hearing on whether our President Elect is eligible to assume the throne could ALSO be catastrophic. Between a rock and a hard place, they are.

Is there not also a valid question as to one-name-like-a-star Hillary's eligibility to become Secretary of State?

I, for one, will not recognize the authority of this Administration if it's going to be one more long drawn-out episode of Magical Mystery Tour meets Cloak & Dagger. These Judges are supposed to have the keenest judicial insight in the entire nation -- politely declining to hear the tough cases isn't a fucking option.

That's a hop, skip and a judgment away from Henry Waxman politely requesting Karl Rove's emails and Karl Rove politely declining to provide them. Ditto the oh-so-aptly named Dick Cheney.

No hiding behind Black Robes -- they are chickenshit, if they do.

This is not fucking complicated. Barack Obama positively cannot beam himself into my life often enough, apparently, for his ego. Do the same with the birth certificate, which can be examined ad nauseum by a parade of nudge-nudge-wink-wink Experts who, incredibly, never seem to have the same opinion on anything.

Then, IF it's legit, we can move on to Barack Obama's role in big-time Chicago Political Corruption -- if he's not eligible, we don't have to "go there."

[Zippyjuan]

In the case of Hillary becoming Secretary of State, the Congress voted to reduce the pay of the office so that the pay is not higher and thus allowing her to assume the position.
http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081212/LOCAL08/812120350/0/LOCAL11

Cabinet post's pay reduced so Clinton can serveLaurie KellmanAssociated PressAdvertisement
WASHINGTON – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton would make about $4,700 less as secretary of state than her predecessor, Condoleezza Rice.

Congress late Wednesday cut the salary for the nation’s top diplomat to keep Clinton’s nomination from running afoul of the Constitution.

An obscure section on compensation for public officials says that no member of Congress can be appointed to a government post if that job’s pay was increased during the lawmaker’s current term.

In other words, Clinton, D-N.Y., might have been ineligible to serve in the post because she was serving in Congress when Rice’s salary was raised to its current level of $191,300.

So late Wednesday, the House and Senate quietly rolled the secretary of state’s salary back to $186,600, its level in January 2007 when Clinton began her second Senate term.

Even at the lower rate, Clinton would still get a raise over her Senate salary. Senators now make $169,300 and are expected to receive a raise to $174,000 next year.

[BlackTerrel]

But the only, proper place for this airing would be the Supreme Court. Some would still dispute any decision, but for all but the most radical, this would put a definitive end to this divisive issue.

But the issue is dead and I understand why the Supremes refused to take the issue to a full hearing - socially and politically it had the potential of being catastrophic.

Obama was born in the US - sorry.

[Number19]

Obama was born in the US - sorry.Why do you say so? Why not have all the allegations presented to the Supreme Court and publicly aired?

[asimplegirl]

Because if he was born in the United States, and you prove nothing, wouldn't that be harassment, something our government is supposed to protect us from and that we, as libertarian, usually stand in defiance against?

[Number19]

Because if he was born in the United States, and you prove nothing, wouldn't that be harassment, something our government is supposed to protect us from and that we, as libertarian, usually stand in defiance against?No, it is not harassment. There are Constitutional issues involved and citizens have a right to expect the law will be upheld. The U.S. presidency is the highest elective office in the land and there should be transparency on all records pertaining to the qualification to hold this office.

[asimplegirl]

no, you asked.. i answered with a question...
IF he ends up being a citizen as he, the state of Hawaii and the Courts say, would that not mean that we all harassed an innocent man for months on end?

[Number19]

no, you asked.. i answered with a question...
IF he ends up being a citizen as he, the state of Hawaii and the Courts say, would that not mean that we all harassed an innocent man for months on end?No. Transparency should be mandatory - just as it is for financial records. "Insisting" on this transparency is not "harassment".

There is always a shadow of "guilt" and "wrong doing" when someone in politics is not straight forward about their past. The President of the United States should not be under such a cloud. The question will always be asked, "What does he have to hide?".

Quite frankly, I'm puzzled by Obama's unwillingness to put this whole mess to rest by simply authorizing the release of all documents. What DOES he have to hide?

[CurtisLow]

In the case of Hillary becoming Secretary of State, the Congress voted to reduce the pay of the office so that the pay is not higher and thus allowing her to assume the position.
http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081212/LOCAL08/812120350/0/LOCAL11

Hell, She doesn't need the money.. Last time I read she and Mr. Bill had well over $50 million in the bank. All it is, is a power trip.

[cheapseats]

In the case of Hillary becoming Secretary of State, the Congress voted to reduce the pay of the office so that the pay is not higher and thus allowing her to assume the position.
http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081212/LOCAL08/812120350/0/LOCAL11

This is disingenuous -- not your claim, their methodology -- EXACTLY the blatant, imperious (like royalty), impervious (beyond reach), one-way-or-another, your-money-or-your-money High Handedness that WE The People, I anyway, henceforth and categorically reject.

I give you TARP . . . and UNACCOUNTED FOR BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

With no end in sight, it bears mention.

[cheapseats]

Hell, She doesn't need the money.. Last time I read she and Mr. Bill had well over $50 million in the bank. All it is, is a power trip.

That's right -- they don't need the money NOW, now that they have brokered fake concern for Little People into a Cash Cow.

The Clinton's have always been, in my estimation, money-grubbing White Trash.

Except NOW they're Nouveau Riche.

[The_Orlonater]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

[dannno]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/


"It's almost like citing yourself," said Stuart Rothenberg, editor and publisher of The Rothenberg Political Report, a nonpartisan political newsletter.


Are you not aware of the relationship between Politifact and Obama??

You clearly missed the 2 and a half hour news conference on Obama's birth certificate. They didn't sit around and talk about nothing. I highly recommend looking it up and watching it.

[Zippyjuan]

He owns them? He is on their supervisory board? He tells them what to write?

[dannno]

He owns them? He is on their supervisory board? He tells them what to write?

Why do you think Obama is behind the 'conspiracy'? Why can't he just be one of their puppets?

This is like how 9/11 truthers get accused of thinking that George Bush planned 9/11. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds to the average truther? That just isn't how things work.

The reason you will never see the truth is because you refuse to understand how things work.

[bojo68]

That's right -- they don't need the money NOW, now that they have brokered fake concern for Little People into a Cash Cow.

The Clinton's have always been, in my estimation, money-grubbing White Trash.

Except NOW they're Nouveau Riche.

Methinks you forget that some of the loony left decided that Clinton was the first black president. I'll go along with "trash".

[Zippyjuan]

Why do you think Obama is behind the 'conspiracy'? Why can't he just be one of their puppets?

This is like how 9/11 truthers get accused of thinking that George Bush planned 9/11. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds to the average truther? That just isn't how things work.

The reason you will never see the truth is because you refuse to understand how things work.
I believe it was you who said that there was a link between FactCheck and Obama- not me. Perhaps you can explain the relationship since you are the one who raised it. And then here you seem to be on the other side by saying he is not behind any of it. You have me confused.

[Pepsi]

Keyes v. Lingle: Case Dismissed; Forensic Examiner Disproves Online COLB

Another case that had been flying under the radar was Keyes v. Lingle, where the Constitution Party and Dr. Amb. Alan Keyes were petitioning against Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle, Chief Elections Officer Kevin B. Cronin, and various other Defendants as a means of holding an official accountable for determining Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2299

[Zippyjuan]

The link really does not have much to say beyond the dismissal. There is a box with a series of quotes from some lady who tried to look at the certificate as posted on the internet (she did not have access to the original) and could not say one way or the other if it was indeed a genuine document. (well actually an image of an actual document). She does not say it is false, only that it cannot be conclusively called authentic. We still have no proof that he was not born in Hawaii.

[Pepsi]

Ture, but here is an open letter to Congress and the Senate. She is asking for people for support and help to get them to challange the issue.

Congress

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/open-letter-to-member-of-congress.html

Senate

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/open-letter-to-all-us-senators_28.html

[Number19]

The link really does not have much to say beyond the dismissal. There is a box with a series of quotes from some lady who tried to look at the certificate as posted on the internet (she did not have access to the original) and could not say one way or the other if it was indeed a genuine document. (well actually an image of an actual document). She does not say it is false, only that it cannot be conclusively called authentic. We still have no proof that he was not born in Hawaii.This was an affidavit presented in court by a "forensic document examiner" and as such is much more than you imply and further brings into question the issue of forgery.

[Zippyjuan]

You are trying to read more into it than is there. And again, she did not examine any actual birth certificate document- only a scanned image posted on the internet.

Paragraph #4 of what she wrote:
"In my experience as a forensic examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain the definative finding of genuineness of non-genuineness. In this case, the examination of the vault birth certificate for President- Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all."

[Pepsi]

A Petition you can sing that will be sent to the Senate about Obama birth place.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/OurConstitution/index.html

[Zippyjuan]

Ture, but here is an open letter to Congress and the Senate. She is asking for people for support and help to get them to challange the issue.

Congress

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/open-letter-to-member-of-congress.html

Senate

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/open-letter-to-all-us-senators_28.html

That letter has some problems, the biggest of which is:

3. No proof that he was born of two parents of U.S. citizenship, with both owing allegiance to and being under the jurisdiction of the U.S., as required by law and/or the Constitution, in order to be a ‘natural-born citizen’. (actually he has freely admitted the opposite to be true, and therefore INELIGIBLE);

It is not a requirement to be a natural born citizen for both parents to be US citizens. Actually while it uses the term, the Constitution does not define a natural born citizen. That is generally taken to mean a person who was a citizen at their birth, not somebody who became on later as a naturalized citizen.

According to the Fourteenth Amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[Number19]

You are trying to read more into it than is there. And again, she did not examine any actual birth certificate document- only a scanned image posted on the internet.

Paragraph #4 of what she wrote:
"In my experience as a forensic examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain the definative finding of genuineness of non-genuineness. In this case, the examination of the vault birth certificate for President- Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all."Precisely. But the image posted to the public was presented as a copy of the original. The validity of this is in doubt and raises the question of why someone would post a forged image while claiming its authenticity.

No one, publicly, has seen the original birth certificate. What has supposedly been released is only a Certification of Live Birth. Two important items missing from the certification is the hospital and the certifying physician.

[Pepsi]

I like this letter:

Like it or not, rich or poor, great or strong, Democrat or Republican, Obama was born under the jurisdiction of Great Britain via Kenya. There is nothing conspiratorial about saying that. Obama has it posted on his own web site. Here’s what it says at Obama’s web portal, Fight The Smears:

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children. (Emphasis added.)

There it is. Obama is telling you his status was “governed” by a foreign jurisdiction. This is no theory. This is a fact.

The people are subservient to the Document, The U.S. Constitutional, and if we don’t keep it that way, we have plenty of historical examples throughout history detailing exactly what will happen to us if the Document is defeated.

Regardless, should the people demand that Constitutional restrictions in Article 2, Section 1, be removed from the Document, they can lobby their political representatives to introduce an amendment, and if such amendment were to be ratified by three-quarters of either the state legislatures, or of constitutional conventions specially elected in each of the states, then they can have any President they like.

But as long as Article 2, Section 1, is controlling law, it’s those who are trying to attack all review of it who are the conspiracy theorists. That being said, let’s now take a look at two established and respected legal sources which define the term “natural born Citizen” as a person who is born in the United States to parents both of whom are “citizens”.

THE FRAMERS OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT

Despite popular belief, the 14th Amendment does not convey the status of “natural born Citizen” in its text. It just conveys the status of “Citizen”. And it’s very clear that in the pre-amendment Constitution, the Framers made a distinction between a “Citizen” and a “natural born Citizen”. The requirement to be a Senator or Representative is “Citizen”, but the requirement to be President is “natural born Citizen”.

From the 14th Amendment:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.”

But even as to this conveyance of citizenship, those who were responsible for drafting the 14th Amendment made it clear that - to them - the meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant subject only to the jurisdiction thereof.

Here is the relevant textbook definition of natural born citizen. The following was published in 1758. This definition, added to all of the above, certainly establishes a rational legal basis to hold that Barack Obama is not a natural born Citizen. And more than that, it puts the burden on those who deny it to don the tin foil hat of despair and bring forthwith to the table of honest debate their own bed of authority to lie in:

§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children" (Emphasis added.)

That is what the founders understood natural born to mean. To be born inside the country and of parents who are citizens. It was a mixture of the two concepts of citizenships. How the king passed on his citizenship to his children, no matter where they were born, is also more of the same concept, and most applicable to a nation whose citizens are sovereigns.

Sticking with the facts, here are the three legal ways that a presidential hopeful can be disqualified from gaining office:

1. (dead issue for the 2008 election) State legislatures could pass laws instructing their Secretary of State offices or Board of Elections to verify the eligibility of presidential candidates before allowing their names to be placed on state ballots. As we noted earlier, states currently just add names of presidential candidates to their ballots as instructedby self-approved political parties.

2. Electors in the Electoral College refuse to cast votes for a candidate they are not sure meet the qualifications required to be president. Another dead issue since they have all ready voted.

3. During the counting of the Electoral College votes in the US Senate, the votes for a particular presidential candidate are challenged on the grounds that the candidate does not meet the qualifications required to be president.

As a concern constituent, about the reasonable doubt, that Barack Obama does in fact does not meet the Constitutional requirement of being a "natural-born citizen".I request that during the counting of the Electoral College votes in the US Senate, that you challenged on the grounds that he does not meet the qualifications required to be President, and request that he shows proof of being a "natural-born citizen

[Zippyjuan]

§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.


What legal document does this come from? Isn't that actually French, not US? "The Law of Nations" by de Vattel? http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel.htm
You cannot use this to say who is and who is not a US Citizen or what the founding fathers thought. It is not relevant.

[Pepsi]

from here.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/natural-born-citizen-defined-by-14th-amendment-framers-and-in-treatise-relied-on-by-scalia/

[Zippyjuan]

Ah. It is de Vattel. As I said, the document is French so hardly useful on deternining the citizenship of an American.
What is important is what the US law said in 1961, not what the French thought in 1758.

[Pepsi]

Than lets make a letter that would stick.


Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

There are numerous questions as to Obama's citizen status raising suspicion and doubt about Obama constitutional qualification to be president. To settle these questions Mr. Obama must produce proof of citizenship!

Documents that must be produced include;
(a) a certified copy of "vault" (original long version) birth certificate;
(b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham;
(c) a certified copy Certification of Citizenship;
(d) a certified copy Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity;
(e) certified copies of admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and
(f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing his name from Barry Soetoro.

It is reasonable that these documents should be produced considering that his father is Kenyan, his adoptive father is Indonesian, and his grandmother claims to have been present at his birth in Kenya. If he is a natural born citizen then producing these documents should not be any problem.

These allegations will not go away until Mr. Obama produces proof to federal authorities and the public. If he will not do so voluntarily he must be compelled by every means available. You, as an employee of The People, have sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution.



or just simply

As a concern constituent, about the reasonable doubt, that Barack Obama does in fact does not meet the Constitutional requirement of being a "natural-born citizen".I request that during the counting of the Electoral College votes in the US Senate, that you challenged on the grounds that he does not meet the qualifications required to be President, and request that he shows proof of being a "natural-born citizen".


Article II, Section I, of the Constitution states , "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Because Barack Obama's father was not a citizen of the United States, but a Citizen of British controlled Kenya, he does not meet the qualification to become President as a Natural Born Citizen. The people and the future of the United States deserve a little time to look into this matter fully and uncover the truth no matter who the President elect is.

[bojo68]

Ah. It is de Vattel. As I said, the document is French so hardly useful on deternining the citizenship of an American.
What is important is what the US law said in 1961, not what the French thought in 1758.

It IS useful in that it provides context as to what the expression meant at the time. It does NOT establish any legal precedent, just a definition of the term, regardless of how much you'd like to use it's foreign origination to dismiss it. That was the way the language was interpreted at the time.
Time for you to dig up some other irrelevant and backward excuse.

[Zippyjuan]

Thank you for the suggestion. Perhaps you could share with us some actual evidence he was NOT born in Hawaii. Do you have a genuine Kenyan birth certificate?

[bojo68]

Thank you for the suggestion. Perhaps you could share with us some actual evidence he was NOT born in Hawaii. Do you have a genuine Kenyan birth certificate?

I'll do no such thing, because birth cert is irrelevant, and I think you know it. Your just trying to shill for him, by attempting to throw enough BS around to obscure the facts.

[Zippyjuan]

If a Kenyan birth certificate- which could prove he was born there and not in the US- is not important, they why care about a Hawaiian birth certificate? A claim has been made he was not born in Hawaii. Demonstrate where else he was born if not Hawaii. Are you unable to live up to the standards you expect others to? You can do better than copping out so easily! I have seen nobody offer to produce any such document. Why not- when it could easliy prove the challenge? I am not obscuring facts but asking for them.

If you want to claim that the Hawaiian birth certificate is false, point us towards a real one. But if a Kenyan one does not matter, then the Hawaiian one must be legit. Unless you have another alternative.

[bojo68]

If a Kenyan birth certificate- which could prove he was born there and not in the US- is not important, they why care about a Hawaiian birth certificate? A claim has been made he was not born in Hawaii. Demonstrate where else he was born if not Hawaii. Are you unable to live up to the standards you expect others to? You can do better than copping out so easily! I have seen nobody offer to produce any such document. Why not- when it could easliy prove the challenge? I am not obscuring facts but asking for them.

If you want to claim that the Hawaiian birth certificate is false, point us towards a real one. But if a Kenyan one does not matter, then the Hawaiian one must be legit. Unless you have another alternative.

It doesn't matter where he was born, he's admitted on his own page he's not a natural born citizen, end of story. Birth certs are irrelevant and only used for diversion.

[Zippyjuan]

You mean the part where he says he was born in Hawaii?
Born in a US State to a US citizen? How is that not a natural citizen?

[Pepsi]

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

He says his father was not an American

[Number19]

If a Kenyan birth certificate- which could prove he was born there and not in the US- is not important, they why care about a Hawaiian birth certificate? A claim has been made he was not born in Hawaii. Demonstrate where else he was born if not Hawaii. Are you unable to live up to the standards you expect others to? You can do better than copping out so easily! I have seen nobody offer to produce any such document. Why not- when it could easliy prove the challenge? I am not obscuring facts but asking for them.

If you want to claim that the Hawaiian birth certificate is false, point us towards a real one. But if a Kenyan one does not matter, then the Hawaiian one must be legit. Unless you have another alternative.Four points : 1) There are alleged statements by Kenyan family members that he was born in Kenya. The place of birth seems to be generally known among the Kenyan population and has become a "shrine/tourist attraction". This is not conclusive and I would say say the strength of validity is less than 50%, but is strong enough to warrant further investigation.

2) Many posts keep referring to a Hawaiian Birth Certificate. No such thing has been produced. For accuracy, the document which has been reproduced ( not the original ) to the public, is a Certification of Live Birth, and this document lacks vital information, particularly the hospital of birth and the certifying physician.

3) It seems as if Certification of Live Births are officially issued to foreign births, provided the parents had resided in Hawaii for at least one year prior to the birth. Again, not conclusively verified. I would like to see an official legal statement that this is indeed true.

4) It seems that the records of medical facilities in Honolulu County have been checked for the year 1961 and there is no record of admittance for the Obama's and no record of baby Barack having been born in such a facility. All statements from American family members, and these have been inconsistent, indicate he was born at a medical facility and not at home. This too is not conclusive, but makes a strong argument for transparency of the original birth certificate showing which facility he was born in.

Now, in light of these controversial allegations, what do you have, to be so insistent he was born in Hawaii? And could you please explain, I'm truly baffled, why there is such strong resistance to having all the "facts" presented in a court of law for public airing?

[cheapseats]

Four points : 1) There are alleged statements by Kenyan family members that he was born in Kenya. The place of birth seems to be generally known among the Kenyan population and has become a "shrine/tourist attraction". This is not conclusive and I would say say the strength of validity is less than 50%, but is strong enough to warrant further investigation.

2) Many posts keep referring to a Hawaiian Birth Certificate. No such thing has been produced. For accuracy, the document which has been reproduced ( not the original ) to the public, is a Certification of Live Birth, and this document lacks vital information, particularly the hospital of birth and the certifying physician.

3) It seems as if Certification of Live Births are officially issued to foreign births, provided the parents had resided in Hawaii for at least one year prior to the birth. Again, not conclusively verified. I would like to see an official legal statement that this is indeed true.

4) It seems that the records of medical facilities in Honolulu County have been checked for the year 1961 and there is no record of admittance for the Obama's and no record of baby Barack having been born in such a facility. All statements from American family members, and these have been inconsistent, indicate he was born at a medical facility and not at home. This too is not conclusive, but makes a strong argument for transparency of the original birth certificate showing which facility he was born in.

Now, in light of these controversial allegations, what do you have to be so insistent he was born in Hawaii? And could you please explain, I'm truly baffled, why there is such strong resistance to having all the "facts" presenting in a court of law for public airing?


It would help if we would go ahead and get PISSED.

No tick-y, no laundry -- no proof, no presidency. This isn't complicated. Would anyone permit a surgeon to go ahead and operate, if there was doubt about the photocopied diploma that he doesn't hang on the wall but, rather, assures you is locked in his desk?

[Pepsi]

Another letter that could be use, go ahead and add your own ideals or views to make this one better or post your own.



Our republic is facing a troubling challenge to its constitution because of deep concerns that have surfaced about the eligibility of the President elect to be President. We appeal to you to help us focus attention of the nation on this important potential violation of the constitution. In addition, a sitting member of the US Congress is able to influence the process in a positive manner. You are in a unique and historic position.

I am asking that you file a WRITTEN objection to Barack Obama’s certification as the next President of the United States until it has been secured that he is in fact eligible to take office.

Article 2, Section1 of the Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for President:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

In print and widely read by the Framers and the citizens of this land at the time was a writing by Emmerich de Vattel, (1758) entitled “The Laws of Nations”. In it, he defined natural born citizens:

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendment’s first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as:
“simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (March 9, 1866)

Despitee popular belief, the 14th Amendment does not convey the status of “natural born Citizen” in its text. It just conveys the status of “Citizen”. And it’s very clear that in the pre-amendment Constitution, the Framers made a distinction between a “Citizen” and a “natural born Citizen”. The requirement to be a Senator or Representative is “Citizen”, but the requirement to be President is “natural born Citizen”.

From the 14th Amendment:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.”

But even as to this conveyance of citizenship, those who were responsible for drafting the 14th Amendment made it clear that - to them - the meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant subject only to the jurisdiction thereof.

Mr. Obama, under this clear language, is not a natural born citizen of the United States of America. This language requires his father to have been a US citizen at the time of Obama’s birth in 1961. His father was instead a British citizen. Obama was subject to the jurisdiction of Great Britain as a result of the British law in 1961 which made him a British subject/citizen by virtue of being born to a male British citizen.. If he was born in Hawaii, as he claims, then he is at best a citizen by virtue of Congressional Acts in effect in 1961, hence a naturalized citizen.

The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances.

Ex Parte Milligan (1866), 71 U.S. 2; 18 L. Ed. 281; 1866 U.S. LEXIS 861; 4 Wall.

Thomas M. Cooley, in his great work on "Constitutional Limitations," says:

"A Constitution is not made to mean one thing at one time, and another at some subsequent time, when the circumstances may have changed as perhaps to make a different rule in the case seem desirable. A principal share of the benefit expected from written Constitutions would be lost, if the rules they establish were so flexible as to bend to circumstances, or be modified by public opinion."

"The meaning of the Constitution is fixed when it is adopted, and is not different at any subsequent time."

I urge you to uphold the oath you took when you were chosen by the citizens of this great state to faithfully discharge the duties of your office. Complicity in what can best be described as a fraud on the American people is not a legal option for you.

Decency, security and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. … Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.


This part could be added I guest, but it might be redundant

As a concern constituent, about the reasonable doubt, that Barack Obama does in fact does not meet the Constitutional requirement of being a "natural-born citizen".I request that during the counting of the Electoral College votes in the US Senate, that you challenged on the grounds that he does not meet the qualifications required to be President, and request that he shows proof of being a "natural-born citizen".

[libertarian4321]

It doesn't matter where he was born, he's admitted on his own page he's not a natural born citizen, end of story. Birth certs are irrelevant and only used for diversion.

Geez, I could have sworn it was you who was rambling on for months about how the "birth certificate" issue was sooooo important. Now its "irrelevant."

Guess that was before all the "birth certificate" challenges got shot down, lol.

BTW, good thing you didn't take me up on my bet about where these "challenges" were going, you'd have lost all your money...

[Pepsi]

A new case challenging Barack Obama's natural-born citizenship and, therefore, constitutional eligibility to serve as president has the potential to clear a hurdle that caused several other similar cases' dismissal: the issue of "standing."

In the case brought by Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg, for example, a federal judge ruled against the lawsuit in deciding Berg lacked the "standing" to sue, arguing that the election of Obama wouldn't cause the plaintiff specific, personal injury.

In Washington state's Broe v. Reed case, however, plaintiff's attorney Stephen Pidgeon says a unique state statute grants everyday citizens the required standing.

"These lawsuits have pointed their fingers at the various secretaries of state and said, 'You handle the elections, it's your job [to verify Obama's eligibility],'" Stephen Pidgeon told WND, "and the secretaries of state have said, 'No, it's not our job. You the voter have to prove he was ineligible.' But when the voters try to do it, the courts tell them they have no standing. So it presents a catch-22.

"Here, we have standing by means of statute," Pidgeon continued. "This particular statute provides for any registered voter to challenge the election of a candidate if the candidate at the time of the election was ineligible to hold office."

Further, Pidgeon explained, "In Washington we also have a constitutional clause in Article 1 that says the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of land, so it's very much a state issue that the secretary of state has a duty to enforce the U.S. Constitution.

"He doesn't think he does; we think he does. That's really the issue before the court," Pidgeon said.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84966

[Pepsi]

Another letter that could be use


If the Constitution doesn't mean precisely what it says, then America is no longer a nation under the rule of law.

A nation no longer under the rule of law is, by definition, under the rule of men.

Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution clearly stipulates "No person except a natural born Citizen" shall be eligible to serve as president of the United States . That statement has clear meaning.

I urge you to take this matter most seriously – and judge it only on the clear, unambiguous words of the Constitution: A president must, be a "natural born citizen" of the United States .

The 14th Amendment does not convey the status of “natural born Citizen” in its text. It just conveys the status of “Citizen”. And it’s very clear that in the pre-amendment Constitution, the Framers made a distinction between a “Citizen” and a “natural born Citizen”. The requirement to be a Senator or Representative is “Citizen”, but the requirement to be President is “natural born Citizen”.

From the 14th Amendment:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.”

But even as to this conveyance of citizenship, those who were responsible for drafting the 14th Amendment made it clear that - to them - the meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant subject only to the jurisdiction thereof.

If you agree that this clear constitutional requirement still matters,than Congress must use its authority to the objection to Barack Obama’s certification as the next President of the United States until it has been secured that he is in fact eligible to take office. The counting of electoral votes by Congress is January 8, 2009.

There is grave, widespread and rapidly growing concern throughout the American public that this constitutional requirement is being overlooked and enforcement neglected by state and federal election authorities. If the Supreme Court falls to dispel all doubt that America 's next president is truly a natural born citizen of the United States, than Congress must.

I am asking that you file a WRITTEN objection to Barack Obama’s certification as the next President of the United States until it has been secured that he is in fact eligible to take office.

[nodope0695]

Translation: This has no chance of going anywhere, but WE WANT YOUR MONEY!

SEND CASH NOW!


Wrong....don't be so cynical about this issue. This is real, and you, presumably being a follower of the Liberty Movement, should be concerned about this. Its not so much a question of eligibility, but of ENFORCEMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

Have you read it lately? A person MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Obama has not proved this provision, period. If WE THE PEOPLE won't enforce the Constitution, then who will? The governent? Bah, why would they do that if we won't protect it ourselves?

[nodope0695]

Another letter that could be use


If the Constitution doesn't mean precisely what it says, then America is no longer a nation under the rule of law.

A nation no longer under the rule of law is, by definition, under the rule of men.

Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution clearly stipulates "No person except a natural born Citizen" shall be eligible to serve as president of the United States . That statement has clear meaning.

I urge you to take this matter most seriously – and judge it only on the clear, unambiguous words of the Constitution: A president must, be a "natural born citizen" of the United States .

The 14th Amendment does not convey the status of “natural born Citizen” in its text. It just conveys the status of “Citizen”. And it’s very clear that in the pre-amendment Constitution, the Framers made a distinction between a “Citizen” and a “natural born Citizen”. The requirement to be a Senator or Representative is “Citizen”, but the requirement to be President is “natural born Citizen”.

From the 14th Amendment:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.”

But even as to this conveyance of citizenship, those who were responsible for drafting the 14th Amendment made it clear that - to them - the meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant subject only to the jurisdiction thereof.

If you agree that this clear constitutional requirement still matters,than Congress must use its authority to the objection to Barack Obama’s certification as the next President of the United States until it has been secured that he is in fact eligible to take office. The counting of electoral votes by Congress is January 8, 2009.

There is grave, widespread and rapidly growing concern throughout the American public that this constitutional requirement is being overlooked and enforcement neglected by state and federal election authorities. If the Supreme Court falls to dispel all doubt that America 's next president is truly a natural born citizen of the United States, than Congress must.

I am asking that you file a WRITTEN objection to Barack Obama’s certification as the next President of the United States until it has been secured that he is in fact eligible to take office.

Good info! Sadly, so many here on the fourm don't take this seriously. They have digressed back in to sheepleness, or they never left the flock in the first place. They don't understand the weight of this issue. Its about enforcing the letter of the Law (Constitution), and holding The Messiah Obama to that law. If we let this pass, then precident will be set, and the Constitution will be dead. All hail President Schwartenager.

[Pepsi]

What we have, ladies and gentlemen, is another piece of the puzzle coming to light, making the whole eligibility issue for Barack Hussein Obama becoming more and more clear.

What can be confirmed is that Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. is, in fact, Barack Hussein Obama II’s biological father. Please see this PDF, paragraph IV (under the Plains Radio “watermark”), which reads the following:

That one child has been born to said Libellant and Libellee as issue of said marriage, to wit: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II, a son, born August 4, 1961.

Of course, this does not say where the presumed President-elect was born. Also, for those who are not familiar with the legaleze, “issue” is the legal term for a child or children (can be inherently construed as singular or plural).

Therefore, what has been confirmed by FactCheck.org (Leo Donofrio’s take here) has now officially been confirmed by these divorce papers. Granted, this is not exactly breaking news, but it puts legal backing behind the fact that Barack Hussein Obama II’s birth was governed by the UK colonial laws of Kenya in 1961 regardless of where Barack Husssein Obama II was geographically born. In fact, even if Barack Hussein Obama II was born on American soil in Hawaii, his nationality status would have still been governed by Britain!

So, to bring this full circle. We now know — via Ms. Sandra Ramsey Lines’ forensic work — that the FactCheck.org and related site’s certification of live birth is on record as being officially debunked (I would be open to hear of an opposing expert’s opinion who is willing to substantiate that the certification of live birth, as posted on the Internet, is enough to substantiate Barack Hussein Obama II’s natural born citizenship). Further, you’ll note from this comment that Dr. Polarik further explains how even the pictured certification’s certificate number is questionable.

And today, we now know that UK colonial citizenship had officially been linked to Barack Hussein Obama II via his father, meaning that, officially, Barack Hussein Obama II is an American citizen of some sort, but not a natural born citizen.

InvestigatingObama goes on to summarize Stephen Pidgeon’s commentary (attorney for 13 Plaintiffs in Broe v. Reed):

Then, he explains how Hawaii COLB’s are not birth certificates of the kind which are required for fundamental identification. Then, he explains how it is admitted knowledge that Stanley Ann’s second husband, Lolo Soetoro adopted Barack, whose name was changed to Barry Soetoro and who was registered in an Indonesian elementary school as an Indonesian citizen. After this, the discussion gets into the question of whether Barack Obama might be guilty of criminal fraud, if he were born in another nation. …

Now, Pidgeon explains how becoming an Indonesian citizen voids the status of natural born Citizen, requiring naturalization, if one is to then become an American citizen, again. And now, the discussion goes to this peculiar, new working assumption of Ed Hale has that there is a immigrant’s birth certificate for BHO II on file in America

We’re also in for a big week next week, where both Berg v. Obama and Broe v. Reed have big days in court (I’ll be posting a summary of that action for next week).

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2443

[Pepsi]

the DC District Court gives the go ahead for the FOIA case

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2465

http://therightsideoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/amended_verified_compla int_and_petition_in_re_foia_usdc_.pdf

[Pepsi]

Update on the one in Washington

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2565

[Pepsi]

Eligibility issue to follow Obama into Oval Office Supreme Court sets 'natural born' conference to follow inauguration

A legal challenge that alleges Barack Obama isn't a "natural born" citizen and therefore constitutionally ineligible to be president of the United States will follow the Democrat into the Oval Office, with a U.S. Supreme Court conference on the dispute set after the Jan. 20 inauguration.

The court's website today announced that a fourth case on the issue will be reviewed by justices Jan. 23.

The court previously heard two cases in conference – private meetings at which justices consider which cases to accept – and denied both Cort Wrotnowski and Leo Donofrio full hearings.

The court now has a conference scheduled Friday on a case raised by attorney Philip Berg, with another conference on a matter related to the same Berg case on Jan. 16. Then today the court website revealed the case Gail Lightfoot et al v. Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State, will be heard in conference Jan. 23.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85595

[Pepsi]

The Washington Supreme Court today dismissed a lawsuit alleging Secretary of State Sam Reed had failed to confirm that President-elect Barack Obama was eligible to run for president.

A group of Washington residents filed the lawsuit in early December asking the state’s votes for Obama be set aside.

James E. Broe of King County and 12 others claimed Obama never established that he is a natural-born American citizen as required by the Constitution, and that Obama ran under a false name. …

The Broe lawsuit claimed that Reed had known about questions concerning Obama’s eligibility since September, but did nothing to determine whether Obama was a lawful candidate. …

The Supreme Court granted Reed’s request to dismiss the suit without comment.


http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2641

[sidster]

The Supreme Court granted Reed’s request to dismiss the suit without comment.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2641

What was Reed's basis for requesting the dismissal?

[Pepsi]

Berg vs Obama is not dead yet.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2663

[Pepsi]

Dr. Taitz’ Upcoming Military Lawsuit to Include Obama Relative

Dr. Orly Taitz, attorney for the Lightfoot v. Bowen case currently awaiting a Conference hearing at the Supreme Court next week, relates to TheEvilConservative that her yet-to-be-filed military lawsuit will include a Plaintiff who is a blood relative to the President-Elect:

Orly Taitz was on WVOX and said one of her plaintiffs in her lawsuit is related to Obama and he put in a request for Obama’s birth certificate. Of course Hawaii said sure, you can have it but it will take one year.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2809


Stephen Pidgeon: Research and Litigation Strategies Have Just Begun in the case Broe v. Reed)

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2816

[libertarian4321]

Does this mean the inauguration is canceled? lol

[Pepsi]

Keyes is now going after his records that he wont make public.

Keyes v. Bowen: Subpoena Issued for President-Elect’s Occidental College Records

Yesterday, the ObamaDailyWaffles blog reported the law office of Gary Kreep, lead attorney in Keyes v. Bowen, requested, on January 15, the President-Elect’s collegiate records

The records to be produced are described as follows: Academic and housing records of Barack Hussein Obama, including but not limited to approximately two years from September 1979 to June 1981

Unless an objection is made by the Defendants (as prescribed within the subpoena paperwork), these records are supposed to be produced on February 16, 2009 at 10:00am to Mr. Kreep’s office in California.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2855

Eligibility battle rages on 3 fronts Court, Congress and college challenged on constitutionality

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86325

[libertarian4321]

Keyes is now going after his records that he wont make public.

Keyes v. Bowen: Subpoena Issued for President-Elect’s Occidental College Records

Yesterday, the ObamaDailyWaffles blog reported the law office of Gary Kreep, lead attorney in Keyes v. Bowen, requested, on January 15, the President-Elect’s collegiate records

The records to be produced are described as follows: Academic and housing records of Barack Hussein Obama, including but not limited to approximately two years from September 1979 to June 1981

Unless an objection is made by the Defendants (as prescribed within the subpoena paperwork), these records are supposed to be produced on February 16, 2009 at 10:00am to Mr. Kreep’s office in California.


They should subpeona Obama's kindergarten finger painting samples, to- I'm sure they'll find evidence against Obama there, too, lol.

It looks like the Inauguration is still going ahead. Gee, I'm shocked.

[Danke]

They should subpeona Obama's kindergarten finger painting samples, to- I'm sure they'll find evidence against Obama there, too, lol.


No, I'm sure they got the judge to seal those too.

[Pepsi]

They should subpeona Obama's kindergarten finger painting samples, to- I'm sure they'll find evidence against Obama there, too, lol.

It looks like the Inauguration is still going ahead. Gee, I'm shocked.

Yes he should subpeona any document related to Obama that could end up putting this to an end, and ending any doubt that he can't be President.



Ambassador Alan Keyes just filed a new action. This one inculdes Condoleeza Rice, Robert Mueller, and Michael W. Hager has its Defendants.

A new action filed by Orly Taitz, ESQ based on the Executive Order by President Bush

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-action-filed-by-orly-taitz-esq.html

[Pepsi]

On Friday, January 16, President George W. Bush’s recent Executive Order on reinvestigating individuals at the federal level. According to RovingPatrol bog, this Order could be another way to approach the President-Elect’s many legal issues. It is also thought that OK State Rep. Mike Ritze may be pushing some things at the State level.

The best part? Activist, agitator of the elites, dentist and attorney Dr. Orly Taitz has today filed suit in the Federal Court of the Central District of California for a writ of Mandamus, declaratory Relief and Injunctive Relief on the issue of the President-Elect’s eligibility for the presidency.

Here’s the presser:

For immediate release01.19.09. Based on the executive order issued by President George w. Bush on the 01.16.09., a legal action is being filed in the Federal Court in the Central District of California. The executive order provides for Reciprocity and Reinvestigation of Individuals in positions of public trust. Section 2 (e), provides for investigation of required level of character and conduct. On behalf of Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson attorney Orly Taitz has filed a legal action for a writ of Mandamus, declaratory Relief and Injunctive Relief on the issue of legitimacy for presidency of Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Obama aka Barry Soetoro and directing Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Director of FBI Robert Mueller, and director of Personnel Michael Hager to provide all necessary documentation in regards to Mr. Obama’s (Soetoro’s) legitimacy for presidency and US citizenship.

Dr. Orly Taitz Esq

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2965

[nodope0695]

On Friday, January 16, President George W. Bush’s recent Executive Order on reinvestigating individuals at the federal level. According to RovingPatrol bog, this Order could be another way to approach the President-Elect’s many legal issues. It is also thought that OK State Rep. Mike Ritze may be pushing some things at the State level.

The best part? Activist, agitator of the elites, dentist and attorney Dr. Orly Taitz has today filed suit in the Federal Court of the Central District of California for a writ of Mandamus, declaratory Relief and Injunctive Relief on the issue of the President-Elect’s eligibility for the presidency.

Here’s the presser:

For immediate release01.19.09. Based on the executive order issued by President George w. Bush on the 01.16.09., a legal action is being filed in the Federal Court in the Central District of California. The executive order provides for Reciprocity and Reinvestigation of Individuals in positions of public trust. Section 2 (e), provides for investigation of required level of character and conduct. On behalf of Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson attorney Orly Taitz has filed a legal action for a writ of Mandamus, declaratory Relief and Injunctive Relief on the issue of legitimacy for presidency of Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Obama aka Barry Soetoro and directing Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Director of FBI Robert Mueller, and director of Personnel Michael Hager to provide all necessary documentation in regards to Mr. Obama’s (Soetoro’s) legitimacy for presidency and US citizenship.

Dr. Orly Taitz Esq

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2965


Hmmmm, so the shite is still yet to actually hit the fan.....I hope this a thorn in Comrad Obama's side for his entire term as The Ordained.

[smithtg]

Oh the irony today when Roberts is swearing BO in....

Suppose in the back room prior to the ceremony, Roberts says "when you going to be able to get that birth certificate?"

[libertarian4321]

Oh the irony today when Roberts is swearing BO in....

Suppose in the back room prior to the ceremony, Roberts says "when you going to be able to get that birth certificate?"

If Roberts swears in Obama, is he now part of the "conspiracy"?

I suspect Dr. Dentist Activist Agitator Stuntwoman Orgly Taitz will be suing him next week, lol.

[Pepsi]

Dr. Taitz has formally issued a plethora of subpoenas per former President Bush’s final executive order:, presumably for her newest case, Keyes v. Obama…


http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3018


She sent subpoenas to the Social Security Administration, Department of Education, Department of State, Department of Defense, CIA, Office of Personnel Management, Department of the Interior, IRS, Department of Health and Human Services, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Secret Service

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/raft-of-subpoenas.html


the second Conference disposition of Berg v. Obama for injunctive relief has been denied.

Tomorrow and Friday will bring about events on two additional lawsuits Brockhausen v. Andrade and Lightfoot v. Bowen. It should again be noted that Lightfoot will be the first eligibility-based lawsuit reaching the Supreme Court that includes among the Plaintiffs an Electoral College Elector as well as a candidate for the vice presidency

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2990

[libertarian4321]

"the second Conference disposition of Berg v. Obama for injunctive relief has been denied. "

Wow, I'm shocked. Who could have seen that one coming?

[Pepsi]

The one in Texas was rejected and another lawsuit was filed in New Jersey Kerchner v. Obama

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3070

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/today-at-williamson-county-tx.html

Mario Apuzzo, a New Jersey attorney, filed a case, a Complaint for Emergency Injunction, Declaratory Relief, Mandamus, and Petition for Quo Warranto:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?cat=435

[ronpaulhawaii]

I wonder if this is just another way to distract people. W had his FL, O has his Birth Status. Both seem valid questions; but given the state of our kangaroo courts, perhaps these issues are not the best fish to fry...

[sidster]

I wonder if this is just another way to distract people. W had his FL, O has his Birth Status. Both seem valid questions; but given the state of our kangaroo courts, perhaps these issues are not the best fish to fry...

pretty bleak situation that the courts will not look at something
this important and go as far as say "no one has any standing" (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/commentary-was-obamas-oath-valid/)
in such cases:


First, no one appears to be in a position to pursue a legal claim that Obama is not the President. Even someone who voted for John McCain could not meet the test for suing. To be able to sue over this, Article III requires that someone would have to show that they had a personal stake in a correctly recited oath, that their interests were harmed by the mistake, and that a court decision could remedy that harm. The courts these days are fairly stingy about this so-called “standing” requirement — and no judges are stingier about this than conservative jurists who might not be so pleased — ideologically – with President Obama in the White House.

one thing i feel this can be used to educate ordinary folks
to show how corrupt our system really is. If one can show
average joe and jane that there is enough evidence to
question President Barry Soetoro's eligibility, that the courts
and officials should've at least taken some time and at least
require the original birth certificate (not the certification of
live birth) before allowing Mr Soetoro to take office, then
maybe these folks would start questioning or at least wondering
about our dismal situation.

This is the document President Barry Soetoro's own campaign
released. There is enough questionable data on this supposed
"official" document, that should get any educated person
to want to wonder wtf is going on:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3432/3201196892_6265e2af3e.jpg
(orig size) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3432/3201196892_aa5dc21c70_o.jpg)

[Pepsi]

Lightfoot v. Bowen: Application for Stay Denied; According to today’s Supreme Court Orders, Dr. Orly Taitz’ case, Lightfoot v. Bowen, has been disposed of accordingly:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3147

Dr. Orly Taitz says this is an opportunity to file immediately the actual Writ of Certiorari, so I guest this cast is not over with

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/urgent-need-affidavits-for-motion-to.html




From the Kenya Parliament...

Mr. Imanyara: Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, in a little more than two hours and a half, one Barack Hussein Obama will be taking the oath of office as the 44th President of the United States of America (USA). This event is of great significance to the entire world but even more so to us in Kenya because the President-elect of the USA has his ancestry in living memory of Kenya.

His father was born, bred and died in this country and what was unimaginable in the many years you lived in America as a professor in an American university has happened and today an African-American stands poised to become the 44th President of the USA. In the early 1990s, on a fellowship tour of Harvard University as the editor of the Nairobi Law Monthly, I had the privilege of meeting a young American by the name of Obama who had then just been elected the first President of the Harvard Law Review. At that time, little did I know that within my own lifetime, I would be celebrating an event such as would be happening in two and a half hour's time.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, those of us who have the privilege of representing this House in the Pan African Parliament (PAP) will recall that on the day Barack Obama was elected the President of the USA on 4th November, we were in session of the PAP and I had the privilege of moving a similar motion which was carried by acclamation by all African representatives of the entire African continent assembled at the PAP in Johannesburg. So, what we are doing today is recognising an event that is of truly historic significance.

It is momentous in many ways for us, not simply because Barack Obama's father was Kenyan but because he is the President of the USA with which we share a rich history on form of Government, constitution, the concept of the rule of law which we cherish and our court system. In fact, the Constitution of Kenya that we are about to embark on the process of reforming, was crafted under the guidance of another great American of African descent, the late Thurgood Marshall. So, as we celebrate today the inauguration of President Barack Obama, we in Kenya have every reason to celebrate more than just having a president who has a history with which we can share.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, some are saying that for the duration of Barack Obama's administration of presidency, we should consider ourselves a State of the USA because one of our own sits in the White House, but that is not the case. What is important for us is the lessons that we as a country can learn from the USA where they have had a dark history of racial discrimination. In this country, where we have just gone through a period of post-election violence, where election results led to violence, death and destruction of property, we can learn a lesson from the USA that the results of an election there does not lead to death and violence. We can learn many lessons from John McCain who so gloriously accepted defeat when the will of the American people was declared through the ballot box. These are the lessons that we as Kenyans must be proud of, in that, one with our own ancestry today is going to lift the Bible and swear to protect and defend a constitution upon which our own Constitution is modelled.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, therefore, as we celebrate this occasion, let us also pay tribute to those who made it possible like our own Tom Mboya, who together with the Kennedy administration arranged the Great Air Lift that saw so many Kenyans go to the USA. That, in many ways, led to this great Kenyan who landed in Hawaii and married an American woman who has today given us the President of the USA. Tom Mboya and John F. Kennedy are people who saw so much hope for this country.

As we embark on the process of rewriting our Constitution based on the American experience, these are the hard lessons that we should learn from. We should learn that in a country of 42 tribes we should be proud of being members of one united Republic rather than 42 different ethnic groups that cannot accept the results of an election. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the inter-racial harmony that we saw exhibited during the campaigns for the election and more so after the elections, tells us that as we embark on this exercise of rewriting our Constitution, the example of the USA shows us that yes, it is possible to in fact, deal with differences of tribe in a way that results in greater unity for us. We should learn that a country can be proud of its diversity rather than be accused of the worst example of intolerance. Let us pay tribute to this man and his family for the audacity of hope that today the world celebrates.

Obama has been in this country two times before. Once before he was a Senator and the last time when he was a senator. Our hope and prayer is that when he comes next, he should be addressing this House as a State guest under our new Standing Orders that allow foreign Heads of States to address the National Assembly. We should not just see him in the light of a foreign Head of State but one to which we can claim to be ours.

I see my good friend looking at me and he says it should be the other way round, that it is not Kenya that should be part of the USA during the administration of Barack Obama but America that should be part of the greater Kenya.

I do not know how you look at it. But in whatever way you look at it, when the entire world talks about the President of the USA, it cannot fail to recognise Kenya as a country that has resulted in the great celebrations that are taking place throughout the world. My time is over, but I do move this Motion with great pleasure and privilege."

http://www.bunge.go.ke/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/20.01.09.pdf

[Zera]

Guys... This is just embarrassing.... Seriously.

[torchbearer]

Guys... This is just embarrassing.... Seriously.

Yeh I know, I had to show proof that I was legal to work for my employer before i got the job.. you'd think Obama would have to do the same for the most important job in the country.

[lynnf]

Guys... This is just embarrassing.... Seriously.

nothing embarrassing about defending the Constitution.

the embarrassment is that the Secretaries of State of all the states let candidates sign a promise that they are eligible and they don't check credentials to ensure that they are.

lynn

[Pepsi]

Tennessee lawmakers lend names to Obama citizenship lawsuit

Several Tennessee lawmakers have signed onto a legal action intended to force President Barack Obama to turn over his birth certificate and other documents to prove his citizenship, an effort already rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court in another case.

Tennessee Reps. Eric Swafford, Stacey Campfield, Glen Casada and Frank Nicely have all agreed to be plaintiffs in future legal action from a Russian immigrant in California who has challenged whether Obama meets constitutional criteria to be president.

The lawsuit from the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, which has not yet been filed, will be among several court challenges to Obama's citizenship.

One of the cases reached the U.S. Supreme Court late last year, and the court declined without comment to take it up, a move many interpreted as meaning the issue was dead. The campaign posted a copy of his certificate on a page intended to counter rumors about Obama.

Swafford’s letter states “I agree to be one of the plaintiff’s in a legal action filed by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire for a Writ of Mandamus to obtain birth certificate, immigration records, passports and other vital records for Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama.”

The letter from the Pikeville Republican is written on the official letterhead of the state House of Representatives.

Niceley, Campfield and Casada, who are also Republicans, confirmed that they too have agreed to be plaintiffs.

Casada said that he believes that Obama does have a U.S. birth certificate, and should just make it widely available.

“Let’s just put this to bed. Yes, people may say, you’re just chasing some conspiracy theory,” he said. “It’s a simple act on his part to just do, and we’re done – move on.”

Democratic lawmakers ridiculed the legal action on Thursday morning at a weekly press conference, with one lawmaker asking, “Who’s Eric Swafford?” and another answering, “He’s from Mars.”

The news of the lawsuit later provoked ribbing around the capitol, with one legislative staffer approaching a lawmaker and demanding to see his birth certificate.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090212/NEWS02/90212065

[lynnf]

typical scare tactics.....



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88746

'Sanctions' sought in eligibility case
President's attorneys file motion demanding birth, college records be withheld from public


A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.

...



lynn

[libertarian4321]

Guys... This is just embarrassing.... Seriously.

Its embarrassing to the reasonable people on RPF- but to the nut jobs, this stuff is important, lol.

These folks are like the crazy uncle you hide in the basement...

[lynnf]

Its embarrassing to the reasonable people on RPF- but to the nut jobs, this stuff is important, lol.

These folks are like the crazy uncle you hide in the basement...


you know, you keep making ad-hominem attacks, but where's your proof that Obama is eligible? what? he won't help you by producing his Certificate of Birth? what? he won't release information about when he was in college? I wonder why?

you keep making these attacks but without anything to back it up. why is that?
why is it that I have to keep asking that?

lynn

[Pepsi]

Keyes: President 'has something to hide' about eligibility Says Dem 'asked to be chosen, therefore must answer'

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89078

Another lawmaker Oklahoma state representative Dr. Mike Ritze as now join the Tennessee State Reps, and Stephen Pidgeon, attorney for Broe v. Reed has now Issue a National Grand Jury Declaration.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3739

Stephen Pidgeon, attorney for Broe v. Reed, has officially announced that he has issued a declaration for a national grand jury:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3758

[libertarian4321]

you know, you keep making ad-hominem attacks, but where's your proof that Obama is eligible? what? he won't help you by producing his Certificate of Birth? what? he won't release information about when he was in college? I wonder why?

you keep making these attacks but without anything to back it up. why is that?
why is it that I have to keep asking that?

lynn

I back it up with the Constitution. The time for questioning his eligibility has passed, as I have said on this forum many times before (and this, btw, is why Berg and the others are doomed to dismal failure).

I recommend you read a summary of why its too late for this from those radical "lefties" at the John Birch Society:

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4196

You claim support the Constitution, yet you only support it until you disagree with what it says.

So how are you any better than radical leftists or neocons?

[lynnf]

I back it up with the Constitution. The time for questioning his eligibility has passed, as I have said on this forum many times before (and this, btw, is why Berg and the others are doomed to dismal failure).

I recommend you read a summary of why its too late for this from those radical "lefties" at the John Birch Society:

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4196

You claim support the Constitution, yet you only support it until you disagree with what it says.

So how are you any better than radical leftists or neocons?


if you really believed in the Constitution, you would be with us and not with the Obama shills. the time hasn't passed, although some opportunities have, but not all of them.

you ask how am I better - I believe in God's truth and try to promote it. others are deluded as predicted by the Bible. that probably won't sit well with you, but I don't care.

again, thanks for the bump.

lynn

[AutoDas]

if you really believed in the Constitution, you would be with us and not with the Obama shills. the time hasn't passed, although some opportunities have, but not all of them.

you ask how am I better - I believe in God's truth and try to promote it. others are deluded as predicted by the Bible. that probably won't sit well with you, but I don't care.

again, thanks for the bump.

lynn

I'm just wondering why do you think the Constitution is beyond reproach? Would you have been against the movement to count all other people's votes as 3/5th?

[lynnf]

I'm just wondering why do you think the Constitution is beyond reproach? Would you have been against the movement to count all other people's votes as 3/5th?

I don't promote the Constitution as a perfect document but it is the best we have to work with.

if that is what you are meaning, you are only showing your ignorance. it wasn't the South's idea to count as 3/5, the South wanted to count as 5/5 = 1. I wish I could say nice try to play the race card, but it wasn't, it was just laughable. from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise

(italics added)

"Delegates opposed to slavery generally wished to count only the free inhabitants of each state. Delegates supportive of slavery, on the other hand, generally wanted to count slaves in their actual numbers. Since slaves could not vote, slaveholders would thus have the benefit of increased representation in the House and the Electoral College; taxation was only a secondary issue. The final compromise of counting "all other persons" as only three-fifths of their actual numbers reduced the power of the slave states relative to the original southern proposals, but is still generally credited with giving the pro-slavery forces disproportionate political power in the U.S. government from the establishment of the Constitution until the Civil War."

lynn

[AutoDas]

I don't promote the Constitution as a perfect document but it is the best we have to work with.

if that is what you are meaning, you are only showing your ignorance. it wasn't the South's idea to count as 3/5, the South wanted to count as 5/5 = 1. I wish I could say nice try to play the race card, but it wasn't, it was just laughable. from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise

(italics added)

"Delegates opposed to slavery generally wished to count only the free inhabitants of each state. Delegates supportive of slavery, on the other hand, generally wanted to count slaves in their actual numbers. Since slaves could not vote, slaveholders would thus have the benefit of increased representation in the House and the Electoral College; taxation was only a secondary issue. The final compromise of counting "all other persons" as only three-fifths of their actual numbers reduced the power of the slave states relative to the original southern proposals, but is still generally credited with giving the pro-slavery forces disproportionate political power in the U.S. government from the establishment of the Constitution until the Civil War."

lynn

I never brought up the Civil War or slavery. I wanted to know if you would defend the Constitution to count the other people as 3/5s? I know the South wanted to count the slaves as a full vote because it would mean they would have more representatives in the House.

[Zera]

I don't promote the Constitution as a perfect document but it is the best we have to work with.

if that is what you are meaning, you are only showing your ignorance. it wasn't the South's idea to count as 3/5, the South wanted to count as 5/5 = 1. I wish I could say nice try to play the race card, but it wasn't, it was just laughable. from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise

(italics added)

"Delegates opposed to slavery generally wished to count only the free inhabitants of each state. Delegates supportive of slavery, on the other hand, generally wanted to count slaves in their actual numbers. Since slaves could not vote, slaveholders would thus have the benefit of increased representation in the House and the Electoral College; taxation was only a secondary issue. The final compromise of counting "all other persons" as only three-fifths of their actual numbers reduced the power of the slave states relative to the original southern proposals, but is still generally credited with giving the pro-slavery forces disproportionate political power in the U.S. government from the establishment of the Constitution until the Civil War."

lynn

If you realize the Constitution is not a perfect document, then you have to realize they never really specified what a natural born citizen is. Therefore, wouldn't being born in Hawaii be enough? Or have you guys already jumped off the "his father wasn't American, either" boat?

[lynnf]

If you realize the Constitution is not a perfect document, then you have to realize they never really specified what a natural born citizen is. Therefore, wouldn't being born in Hawaii be enough? Or have you guys already jumped off the "his father wasn't American, either" boat?


and what makes you think he was born in Hawaii? because someone posted a fake Certificate of Live Birth on a couple of websites, a document that has been examined by a forensic examiner who pronounced it a forgery? because Obama refuses to release certain college records that might reveal that he attended school on foreign aid? his behavior proves he's hiding something and the smart money is on the probability that the something being hidden is where he was born


lynn

[Bruno]

If Obama cannot prove he is a natural born citizen and does not get removed from the White House, then Putin could run in 2012 because of the precidence set.

[Zera]

and what makes you think he was born in Hawaii? because someone posted a fake Certificate of Live Birth on a couple of websites, a document that has been examined by a forensic examiner who pronounced it a forgery? because Obama refuses to release certain college records that might reveal that he attended school on foreign aid? his behavior proves he's hiding something and the smart money is on the probability that the something being hidden is where he was born


lynn

I wish I knew why you are so delusional to believe he wasn't born in Hawaii and why you refuse to believe that he was, though the whole 9/11 truth thing in your signature pretty much answers that.

You and your conspiracy theorist friends are the cancer to the movement.

[lynnf]

I wish I knew why you are so delusional to believe he wasn't born in Hawaii and why you refuse to believe that he was, though the whole 9/11 truth thing in your signature pretty much answers that.

You and your conspiracy theorist friends are the cancer to the movement.

gee, why am I not surprised? another ad-hominem attack -- because you have nothing else to respond with -- no substance!

lynn

[Zera]

gee, why am I not surprised? another ad-hominem attack -- because you have nothing else to respond with -- no substance!

lynn

Why should I explain why Obama won't release anything? Oh, that's right, because other than a few nuts like you, nobody gives a crap.

[lynnf]

Why should I explain why Obama won't release anything? Oh, that's right, because other than a few nuts like you, nobody gives a crap.

and the ad-hominem attacks continue, and still no substance. this forum is for Ron Paul people, not Obama shills.

lynn

[Zera]

and the ad-hominem attacks continue, and still no substance. this forum is for Ron Paul people, not Obama shills.

lynn

You deserve all the mocking you get. We have to start caring about things that matter if we want to get anything accomplished.

[lynnf]

You deserve all the mocking you get. We have to start caring about things that matter if we want to get anything accomplished.

and I assure you, whether our president is a fraud, a BOGUS POTUS, matters very much. and I think you misunderstand who is being mocked here!

lynn

[Zera]

and I assure you, whether our president is a fraud, a BOGUS POTUS, matters very much. and I think you misunderstand who is being mocked here!

lynn

It would matter if he was actually wasn't born here. But no, the fact is that he was, and he was confirmed by that Hawaii state government guy.

Just admit you'll never get over this. Even if he one day produced some birth certificate, you would never accept it's authenticity. Don't delude yourself.

[phoenixrising]

It would matter if he was actually wasn't born here. But no, the fact is that he was, and he was confirmed by that Hawaii state government guy.

Just admit you'll never get over this. Even if he one day produced some birth certificate, you would never accept it's authenticity. Don't delude yourself.



you have obviously missed the entire point!! the *real* lawsuits have nothing to do w/a BC....the eligibility question arises from the NBC issue!

easy breakdown: barkys father...born in kenya....kenya was under british rule ....therefore regardless of a HI BC ...barky does NOT qualify. {{maybe read all the posts in this thread?}}

also HI. COLB --means zip! zilch! nada! anyone can get one--even you!

[Pepsi]

UPDATED* Demand on State and US Reps and Senators to hold judicial hearings and issue subpoenas

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/03/04/demand-on-state-and-us-reps-and-senators-to-hold-judicial-hearings-and-issue-subpoenas.aspx

[Bruno]

It would matter if he was actually wasn't born here. But no, the fact is that he was, and he was confirmed by that Hawaii state government guy.

Just admit you'll never get over this. Even if he one day produced some birth certificate, you would never accept it's authenticity. Don't delude yourself.

Fail.

From the link in Pepsi's post below.

The image that Mr. Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid birth certificate, but rather a limited value document, called Short Version Certification of live birth. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents.

[Zera]

Fail.

From the link in Pepsi's post below.

The image that Mr. Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid birth certificate, but rather a limited value document, called Short Version Certification of live birth. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents.

I'm talking about late in October when someone from the Hawaiian government said that he had files that said he was born there.

[torchbearer]

I'm talking about late in October when someone from the Hawaiian government said that he had files that said he was born there.

I have files that say Obama was born in Kenya.
Now let us show them in a court of law and see who wins.

[EastWindRain]

This board is crawling with spies. There is every reason to pursue the Obama birth certificate fiasco. Those who disagree, I have serious doubts about their intentions. There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting to the bottom of this legal issue.

[Zera]

This board is crawling with spies. There is every reason to pursue the Obama birth certificate fiasco. Those who disagree, I have serious doubts about their intentions. There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting to the bottom of this legal issue.

Right, because I'm a spy that registered a year ago and was still pulling for Ron Paul even when it was pretty much impossible.

[lynnf]

Right, because I'm a spy that registered a year ago and was still pulling for Ron Paul even when it was pretty much impossible.

yes, zero, er I mean zera - which all could have easily been faked; and you have been a really good shill for Obama. I've heard of paid plants on blogs shilling for Obama. maybe you're one.

lynn

[Zera]

yes, zero, er I mean zera - which all could have easily been faked; and you have been a really good shill for Obama. I've heard of paid plants on blogs shilling for Obama. maybe you're one.

lynn

facepalm.jpg

[Bruno]

Mentions of Obama's eligibility being questioned, his associations with Ayers and Rev. Wright all constantly scrubbed from Wikipedia.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91114

[lynnf]

Mentions of Obama's eligibility being questioned, his associations with Ayers and Rev. Wright all constantly scrubbed from Wikipedia.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91114



there is a dispute procedure that should handle this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution

Formal mediation
Request formal mediation of the dispute from the Mediation Committee. Mediation is a voluntary process in which a neutral person works with the parties to a dispute. The mediator helps guide the parties into reaching an agreement that can be acceptable to everyone. When requesting formal mediation, be prepared to show that you tried to resolve the dispute using the steps listed above, and that all parties to the dispute are in agreement to mediate. Mediation cannot take place if all parties are not willing to take part. Mediation is only for disputes about Article Content, not for complaints about user conduct.

[HOLLYWOOD]

I'm not saying this is a direct reflection, but when I had to present my birth certificate for beginning the process of my security clearance, I presented the wrong one. When I was born, my father had special raised Gold seal Birth certificate made... it looked authentic, official, and signed, but was disallowed for birth verification. The security staff would only except the original issued birth certificate for my clearance.

That said... Barry Barack Obama was unable to receive a security clearance by the CIA/DIS/SS as a politician.... stamped "NOFORN". No Foreign Nationals

But it's the New Age of Gilded Government, where almost all of them are above the law, hence the appointment of politicians to the SCOTUS and lesser snips.

[phoenixrising]

GO TO: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

for updates on Quo Warranto!!!

LD wants the info to go viral...to get people informed now....read the blog q&a also to get an update on what orly is doing that *may* jeopardize this case.

i know she means well...yet she NEEDS to abide by protocol or she will blow this for everyone!!!

[libertarian4321]

yes, zero, er I mean zera - which all could have easily been faked; and you have been a really good shill for Obama. I've heard of paid plants on blogs shilling for Obama. maybe you're one.

lynn

According to some of the more rabid Ron Paul supporters, anyone who disagrees with this pointless, self-destructive campaign is a "shill for Obama."

I just hope that Dr. Paul and his rational supporters aren't sullied by these people, but we probably will be.

[libertarian4321]

if you really believed in the Constitution, you would be with us and not with the Obama shills. the time hasn't passed, although some opportunities have, but not all of them.

As I have already stated on several occasions, the time for challenges is long past- if you read the link I posted, and believed in the Constitution, you'd know I'm right.

I'll give you another chance: http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4196

You can't pick and choose when to support the Constitution, sorry.


you ask how am I better - I believe in God's truth and try to promote it. others are deluded as predicted by the Bible. that probably won't sit well with you, but I don't care.

Now you're starting to sound like the rough equivalent of a Taliban nut, lol.

[lynnf]

As I have already stated on several occasions, the time for challenges is long past- if you read the link I posted, and believed in the Constitution, you'd know I'm right.

I'll give you another chance: http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4196

You can't pick and choose when to support the Constitution, sorry.



Now you're starting to sound like the rough equivalent of a Taliban nut, lol.


forget it -- what you are saying about the Constitution is your opinion, and that doesn't hold much sway around here. read some of the more recent replies to the Bogus POTUS Obama's shills posts to find that out. the only thing that will get the issues close to settlement is consideration by the full SCOTUS. even then, five votes doesn't mean they're right, but it is all we have to go on at this point.

so keep on making your broken-record repeats, it's getting you nowhere, in fact, it just brings more opportunity to point out your fallacies.

lynn

[Pepsi]

Jury Update: Texas grand jury is forming

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5648

[lynnf]

http://www.obamacrimes.info/pressrelease040909.html




Berg states Hollister case has been ‘Appealed’ as Opinion is so ‘outrageous’ and Sanction imposed was ‘totally unfair’ Judge showed his total bias since case was filed.

We will be successful on Appeal!

Spread the word !

(Lafayette Hill, PA – 04/09/2009) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the first Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama's lack of Constitutional qualifications/eligibility" to serve as President of the United States and his cases that are still pending, Berg vs. Obama [2 cases – 1 under seal] and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, et al announced today that an Appeal has been filed in the Hollister case for several reasons.

Judge James Robertson showed his bias from the time the case was filed: 1) Berg and Joyce filed Motion for Admission Pro Hac Vice and Judge Robertson stated he would hold in abeyance until we appeared in front of him ……….and then he would make a decision if we should be admitted…….; 2) Judge Robertson never scheduled a Hearing regarding our Motion Pro Hac Vice; 3) Judge Robertson was aware our local Washington, DC attorney, age 84, was not computer savvy; 4) Judge Robertson issued two [2] Orders, one [1] with two [2] days to respond and one [1] with one [1] day to respond, Motions that we responded to because others made us aware.

The decision by Judge Robertson in dismissing our case showed further his bias as he made statements that were totally untrue and no evidence thereof had been presented. Specifically, Judge Robertson stated how Obama’s citizenship has been “vetted, blogged, texted, twittered” during the two years of his campaign. This statement regarding Obama is so outrageous as Obama was never vetted or otherwise questioned.

Further, Judge Robertson keeps referring to Obama being “Native-born,” a new term in the efforts to justify Obama’s citizenship. The Constitution and all lawsuits attempting to discover the “truth” about Obama refer to the words in the Constitution, that being “Natural Born.”

Without testimony being presented, Judge Robertson decides our Interpleader case is “frivolous,” a decision that we completely differ with.

Judge Robertson refers to attorney Joyce and myself as “agents provocateurs.” I am honored by this designation because it shows that we are determined to expose the HOAX of Obama, the greatest HOAX upon the citizens of the United States in the history of our country, over 230 years.

The imposition of sanctions by way of a “Reprimand” to our local counsel, John D. Hemenway, Esquire was uncalled for and another attempt by Judge Robertson to stop the legitimate search for the truth about Obama’s citizenship.

The following remarks by Margaret Calhoun Hemenway are right on point, “This is not a political issue – it is a legal issue and one of paramount national importance. Some question the wisdom of "undoing" an election if Obama's doubters are proven right. My father-in-law has lived through a World War, an actual impeachment and a President who was forced to resign under threat of impeachment – the nation survived, without chaos. The greatest danger to our freedom is disrespect for the Constitution and a President, who by his failure to provide evidence of his eligibility for the Presidency, evidently doesn't believe the rules should apply to him.”

Berg continued, “The Obama candidacy is the biggest "HOAX" perpetrated on the citizens of the United States in 230 years, since our nation was established. Obama must be legally removed from office.

I believe that 10 to 15 million people are aware of the Obama 'HOAX,' and we must make 75 million people aware. When people are made aware of the Obama 'HOAX,' that Obama has not proven he is constitutionally 'qualified/eligible' to be President; that Obama has not produced his original (vault version) 'Birth Certificate;' that Obama has not produced legal documents to show he legally changed his name from his 'adopted' name of 'Barry Soetoro' from Indonesia; they will demand Obama be removed from his office of President of the United States."

Berg concluded, "I am proceeding for the 305 + million people in 'our' U.S.A., for 'our' forefathers and for the tens of thousands of men and women that have died and/or been maimed defending our Constitution, with our legal fight to prove that Obama is not constitutionally qualified/eligible to be President."

The following is an update on my three [3] pending cases regarding my challenge to Obama's lack of qualifications/ eligibility to be President.

Also, I am preparing to file a 4th case - Quo Warranto [challenge person in office - that does not meet the qualifications].

As you know, I was the first to legally raise the issue – having filed my lawsuit on August 21, 2008, before the DNC Convention

[politicsNproverbs]

That's exciting about those common law grand juries being formed.

And thanks for the lawsuit update! Also VERY exciting. Appreciate Mr. Berg's tenacity!

[Pepsi]

Dr. Orly Taitz files a new Quo Warranto Suit on behalf of Matt Edwards, active National Guardsman in Wyoming

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5663

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=91

[libertarian4321]

forget it -- what you are saying about the Constitution is your opinion, and that doesn't hold much sway around here.


Yes, I understand the Constitution doesn't mean much to you when it gets in the way of your zealotry- in that way, you are just like the extremist Dems and Reps.

BTW, it is neither "opinion" nor was it mine. It was simply an article about Constitutional election law from the John Birch Society.

I know, you probably consider the John Birch Society to be "Obama shills" because they don't prescribe to your rabid anti-Obama zealotry. I now know that people like you are beyond reasoned debate- I posted it for the more rational freedom lovers to consider.

BTW, its been 3 months now, and Obama is still President.

How much you wanna bet he stays there?

[lynnf]

Yes, I understand the Constitution doesn't mean much to you when it gets in the way of your zealotry- in that way, you are just like the extremist Dems and Reps.

BTW, it is neither "opinion" nor was it mine. It was simply an article about Constitutional election law from the John Birch Society.

I know, you probably consider the John Birch Society to be "Obama shills" because they don't prescribe to your rabid anti-Obama zealotry. I now know that people like you are beyond reasoned debate- I posted it for the more rational freedom lovers to consider.

BTW, its been 3 months now, and Obama is still President.

How much you wanna bet he stays there?


only time will tell, all we have to do is find people that are willing to do their flipping jobs -- but that isn't looking too good right now.

but I never thought Nixon would resign -- but he did. I thought it more likely to have a military coup in support of Nixon back in 1974. but there were people willing to do their jobs back then and they did them, thank God.

again, time will tell, and I'll keep screaming bloody murder for the next 4 years if need be, and then for 4 years after that, if need be. the crime still calls for it.

as a matter of fact, I llike the 'Birchers. But they can be wrong, too, and they have an agenda, too.

and time is on our side, for the more time that it takes, the more dirt and other interesting things show up about the Bogus POTUS Obama

speaking of which, I will file in another separate thread -- the book has been released!


lynn

[lynnf]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96452

Eligibility case defendants don't want to answer now
Lawyer for Obama, Congress says representation decision unmade

...

Even though extensions had been granted to an initial round of requests to delay the proceedings, the government now says it needs even more time to prepare a response to a question that could be answered with a five-minute telephone call from the president to Hawaiian officials asking that his birth documentation be made public.

...

[Pepsi]

Schneller v. Cortes: Sen. Specter Improperly Nominated as Elector

James Schneller, Plaintiff pro se in Schneller v. Cortes, released the following statement regarding Pennsylvania’s Senator Arlen Specter being appointed as an Elector in the Electoral College:

Pennsylvanian James D. Schneller raises in his petition for writ of certiorari in the United States Supreme Court, filed on April 6, 2009, regarding failure of eligibility of Barack Obama for office, the fact that Senator Arlen Specter was appointed as a Pennsylvania elector for the 2008 presidential election.

Article 2 Section 1 of the United States Constitution directs that “no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector. “

Was the Senator so certain of a McCain loss that he felt above the law ? What other purpose might this illegal appointment serve ? This appointment is, at the least, further proof that much of Congress takes Presidential elections lightly and may have abandoned basic rights and principles that Americans hold sacred !

Press Release: petition for writ of certiorari filed : http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5737

Supreme Court docket for petition: http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-9797.htm


http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5870


Jury Update: Online Grand Jury Indicts Obama for Fraud, Treason

Via AmericanGrandJury.org, editor Bob Campbell posted the following from yesterday evening’s online activities:

April 29th 2009 - At 8 P.M, ET American Grand Jury convened and conducted a hearing with regard to CRIMINAL activity, complaints and allegations presented before said Jury.

After reviewing the evidence and voting, the 32 member American Grand Jury handed down the presentment(s) recommending that person(s) known as Barack Obama, aka: Barack Obama, Jr., aka: Barack Hussein Obama, aka: Barry Soetoro; aka: Barry Obama; aka: Barack H. Obama, aka: Barack Obama II, presumed President of the United States, be tried in Criminal Court for charges of fraud (eligibility) and treason.

Said Grand Jury was convened under the power and authority vested with the people as guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States of America, Amendent 5 of the Bill of Rights.

The American Grand Jury was served by people from different States within the Union, said people being citizens as were sworn under Oath as to Eligibility for and Service in behalf of the Grand Jury:

The American Grand Jury used established public evidence and testimony recognized by expert witnesses with a long professional history of forensic experience in handing down the presentment(s).

Caveat: Grand Jury hearings are secret and all proceedings will remain confidential until released by the courts.

For an unofficial review and summary of the issues that is available in the public domain see: AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html


http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5863

[Bradley in DC]

Schneller v. Cortes: Sen. Specter Improperly Nominated as Elector

James Schneller, Plaintiff pro se in Schneller v. Cortes, released the following statement regarding Pennsylvania’s Senator Arlen Specter being appointed as an Elector in the Electoral College:

There is just so much wrong with this whole post (and thread), it's laughable.

One, Electors aren't "appointed."

Obama carried PA, so his picks were elected to serve. Or is Schneller in some parallel universe where McCain carried PA and won the election?

Please, start here before responding:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008/

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008-certificates/index.html#pa

So yes, an argument could have been made against Spector's vote had McCain carried PA. Spector was NOT an elector, he was a candidate for elector (so was I for Barr in DC). He lost. Move on. Nothing more to see here folks.

[rp2012]

People who support Obama Birth Certificate conspiracies are retarded and are staining Ron Paul's name. Get out of this forum with that garbage.

[Catatonic]

People who support Obama Birth Certificate conspiracies are retarded and are staining Ron Paul's name. Get out of this forum with that garbage.

Nice first post

Trolls don't last long 'round here

just sayin'

[lynnf]

maybe this explains all the delaying tactics by the Obama legal team



http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/Is-the-Obama-administration-working-on-a-forged-long-form-Birth-Certificate-as-we-speak.aspx

Hat-tip to Probie who gives this information:

Don't know about 9/11 conspiracy, but do know from DC source that an Administration team is working on perfecting a forgery of the long-form birth certificate. They plan on presenting it in a a month or so. The source is FBI agent who has drinking buddy from University of Illinois now in the Administration. Its second hand, but the source is supposed to be solid.

They have already prepared the forgery with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto. Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.

The blanks in the forged form were filled in with an old Underwood Manual typewriter bought at an estate sale in Skokie, IL. The raised seal was the easiest piece to fake, since you can by a special order corporate seal from just about any online office supply store.

The only reason they haven't rolled out the foregery yet is that it is "seasoning" under mild UV light and a back and forth rotation between between a humidifier and a sauna. Get ready....one to two months tops.

I also said they'd have to get a 1960s Printing Press, and indeed, by this information, looks like they found one.

The banking connection is disturbing too, gives more credibility to this also. The details here are solid.

Obama visited Canada not that long ago, anyone know if he went to Toronto?


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lynn

[Alawn]

maybe this explains all the delaying tactics by the Obama legal team



http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/Is-the-Obama-administration-working-on-a-forged-long-form-Birth-Certificate-as-we-speak.aspx

Hat-tip to Probie who gives this information:

Don't know about 9/11 conspiracy, but do know from DC source that an Administration team is working on perfecting a forgery of the long-form birth certificate. They plan on presenting it in a a month or so. The source is FBI agent who has drinking buddy from University of Illinois now in the Administration. Its second hand, but the source is supposed to be solid.

They have already prepared the forgery with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto. Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.

The blanks in the forged form were filled in with an old Underwood Manual typewriter bought at an estate sale in Skokie, IL. The raised seal was the easiest piece to fake, since you can by a special order corporate seal from just about any online office supply store.

The only reason they haven't rolled out the foregery yet is that it is "seasoning" under mild UV light and a back and forth rotation between between a humidifier and a sauna. Get ready....one to two months tops.

I also said they'd have to get a 1960s Printing Press, and indeed, by this information, looks like they found one.

The banking connection is disturbing too, gives more credibility to this also. The details here are solid.

Obama visited Canada not that long ago, anyone know if he went to Toronto?


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lynn

That sounds about right. At this point they are either going to ignore it and never show anything or just create a forgery. I am sure the president could get a forgery done that would not be able to be detected.

[lynnf]

That sounds about right. At this point they are either going to ignore it and never show anything or just create a forgery. I am sure the president could get a forgery done that would not be able to be detected.


there will always be a detectable flaw. the problem would be getting hold of the document to get it properly tested.

also, the document will have to name a doctor and a hospital -- many possible holes in the story there.

lynn

[Objectivist]

A question for the forum; WOuldn't it be much cheaper to produce the real original than fight a rather expensive court case?

[lynnf]

A question for the forum; WOuldn't it be much cheaper to produce the real original than fight a rather expensive court case?


of course, it would. but then, if you don't have a real original from Hawaii, then you don't have that choice!

lynn

[Pepsi]

Yes it would.

Dr. Orly Taitz says she now as an indictment of Obama in the Lion’s den, Chicago Illinois

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=593

[Sandra]

Yes, PLEASE read the link above.... it's Tait's blog. She sent out an "invitation" to be on the Illinois "citizens grand jury".

Orly Taitz can only practice in California and now is under review in that state. Most states disbar if an attorney incites constant litigation targeting an entity, especially in states in which they aren't licensed. She should know this and be using other state licensed attorneys if they support her as she claims on her website.

Her refusal to use common sense legal means and then blaming the consequences on "the man" leads me to believe she is providing a distraction for those with hopes pinned on Obama's disqualification.

She is presently an AIPAC delegate and has rising aspirations, but I think even AIPAC fears she's a little on the off side.

http://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=4&ArticleID=4952&TM=86380.5

[AZ Libertarian]

http://photos4.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/c/6/1/d/highres_7370717.jpeg

I haven't seen Ambassador Alan Keyes spoken of...

The only person with REAL STANDING in this case!

[lynnf]

Yes, PLEASE read the link above.... it's Tait's blog. She sent out an "invitation" to be on the Illinois "citizens grand jury".

Orly Taitz can only practice in California and now is under review in that state. Most states disbar if an attorney incites constant litigation targeting an entity, especially in states in which they aren't licensed. She should know this and be using other state licensed attorneys if they support her as she claims on her website.

Her refusal to use common sense legal means and then blaming the consequences on "the man" leads me to believe she is providing a distraction for those with hopes pinned on Obama's disqualification.

She is presently an AIPAC delegate and has rising aspirations, but I think even AIPAC fears she's a little on the off side.

http://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=4&ArticleID=4952&TM=86380.5

perhaps Dr. Orly thinks the trade of her bar card for a little justice against a lying, thieving, bogus POTUS would be a good trade. I would have to agree if she did.

as for the distraction angle, it seems that you hope that is all that it is. I hope not, but time will tell, the truth always outs.

lynn

[Sandra]

Read the blog please. She's SABOTAGING efforts in the grandest way possible or she's officially a loon.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=593

[lynnf]

Read the blog please. She's SABOTAGING efforts in the grandest way possible or she's officially a loon.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=593



your opinion; I don't agree

lynn

[OptionsTrader]

nm, hoax

[hillertexas]

Does anyone have a link to a news article that has posted the supposed transcript of one Barry Soetoro (Obama?) from Occidental college that was supposedly reported by the AP?

I did a google search and see some pics, but I'd like a credible source, thx.

I looked last night and was unable to find the transcript or anything that doesn't trail back to that first article. I would like to see this alleged transcript as well. I remember in one of the comment sections, someone said they called Occidental college about it and they denied that it was ever released. (all hearsay)
Maybe someone here should call. Occidental College phone numbers can be found here: http://www.oxy.edu/x142.xml
Also this transcript was allegedly ordered to be released by a court so it may be able to be corroborated by looking at the court records (I think it was supposed to be in California?)

[Bradley in DC]

I looked last night and was unable to find the transcript or anything that doesn't trail back to that first article. I would like to see this alleged transcript as well. I remember in one of the comment sections, someone said they called Occidental college about it and they denied that it was ever released. (all hearsay)
Maybe someone here should call. Occidental College phone numbers can be found here: http://www.oxy.edu/x142.xml
Also this transcript was allegedly ordered to be released by a court so it may be able to be corroborated by looking at the court records (I think it was supposed to be in California?)

It was an April Fool's Day prank, let it go. ;)

[hillertexas]

It was an April Fool's Day prank, let it go. ;)

And...gone (poof) :)

[Pepsi]

Read the blog please. She's SABOTAGING efforts in the grandest way possible or she's officially a loon.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=593

The Georgia Grand Juries and her are going to be delivering the Georgia Grand Juries Indictments and her Quo Warranto to various Georgia State officials on May 6. And it looks like that the Grand Jury in Ohio also return an idictment.


http://www.riseupforamerica.com/

[Sandra]

The Georgia Grand Juries and her are going to be delivering the Georgia Grand Juries Indictments and her Quo Warranto to various Georgia State officials on May 6. And it looks like that the Grand Jury in Ohio also return an idictment.


http://www.riseupforamerica.com/

She's only licensed to practice in California., she know what she's doing will go nowhere. Some of her advisors and partners in Defend Our Freedoms have dumped her suspecting she's really sabotaging the effort. Search "Orly Taitz" in Google Blogs. If there is such an interest in this, why aren'y you guys vetting your leadership a little.... just a little.

[Pepsi]

It looks like they are fighting among them selfs.

Philip Berg has filed a Slander suit against attorney Dr. Orly Taitz.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5924

[lynnf]

She's only licensed to practice in California., she know what she's doing will go nowhere. Some of her advisors and partners in Defend Our Freedoms have dumped her suspecting she's really sabotaging the effort. Search "Orly Taitz" in Google Blogs. If there is such an interest in this, why aren'y you guys vetting your leadership a little.... just a little.



here's some vetting for 'ya:

from Devvy Kidd

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd442.htm

...
It doesn't seem to bother any of of them that Obama aka Soetoro has spent approximately $940,000 to keep his school records and the long form vault birth certificate under seal. It doesn't seem to bother them that politically corrupt federal judges would make rulings based on "twittering." How shameful. Dirty journalism has printed easily proven lies about Dr. Orly Taitz, i.e., she hasn't been admitted to practice in front of the Supreme Court (proof here and here is her certificate), she has false teeth and more malicious slander. Orly has provided all the official documentation (except her real teeth) to refute these lies. Her paypal account has been hacked and donations stolen; Orly has demanded the FBI investigate as well as the hacking of her web sites. This seeker of the truth is a dentist with a thriving practice in Southern California, a licensed attorney and real estate agent; she speaks five languages, is a loving mother and wife.

...


YOU'RE the one that needs vetting, Obama shill!

lynn

[Pepsi]

From Rise up for America.

At 10:27 am EST on 5/5/09 I spoke with James R. Dedrick and asked him where the Criminal Complaint was at this moment.

His response: " It's nowhere, this office only recognizes Criminal Complaints issued by a Federal Judge".

Now isn't this Intriguing, a day and a half after this complaint was filed, Commander Fitzpatrick was visited by the Secret Service. It obviously went somewhere...


Update- 5/07/09

Yesterday I was able to speak with, in person, David D. Marshall who is a Defense Attorney working at the Northern District U.S. Attorney's office in Atlanta. I spoke to the issue of Commander Fitzpatrick's Criminal Complaint and gave him J. R. Dedrick's

quote. He then stated "of course they initiate investigations, they do it all the time".

He also confirmed the assertion that the U.S. Attorneys could act on a criminal complaint submitted by Cmdr. Fitzpatrick.

So there you have it. It is the Tennessee U.S. Attorneys personal disregard for Commander Walter Francis Fitzpatrick's criminal complaint and the GA Northern District Attorney David Nahmias personal disregard for the Georgia Citizens Grand Jury Indictment Both of which are languishing in those respective offices because of the sole discretion of these, our employees, willfull disregard for our rights of redress.

http://riseupforamerica.com/

[Sandra]

Phil Berg and MommaE are sueing Orly Taitz. You won't believe what Taitz did! But it answers the question of where AIPAC Orly was headed with this thing.
Here's a link to the Patriots Heart show:


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/PatriotsHeartNetwork/PatriotsHeartNetwork/2009/05/06/The-Chalice-Show

[Sandra]

here's some vetting for 'ya:

from Devvy Kidd

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd442.htm

...
It doesn't seem to bother any of of them that Obama aka Soetoro has spent approximately $940,000 to keep his school records and the long form vault birth certificate under seal. It doesn't seem to bother them that politically corrupt federal judges would make rulings based on "twittering." How shameful. Dirty journalism has printed easily proven lies about Dr. Orly Taitz, i.e., she hasn't been admitted to practice in front of the Supreme Court (proof here and here is her certificate), she has false teeth and more malicious slander. Orly has provided all the official documentation (except her real teeth) to refute these lies. Her paypal account has been hacked and donations stolen; Orly has demanded the FBI investigate as well as the hacking of her web sites. This seeker of the truth is a dentist with a thriving practice in Southern California, a licensed attorney and real estate agent; she speaks five languages, is a loving mother and wife.

...


YOU'RE the one that needs vetting, Obama shill!

lynn

Listen to the podcast at the link above. She screwed you big time. Devvy hasn't commented yet.

[lynnf]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97493

California attorney Orly Taitz, who has taken cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president to a number of courts across the nation including the U.S. Supreme Court, says she'll be returning to the high court, this time seeking a petition for the extraordinary writ of mandamus.

...

"Bottom line, I will be filing until I get an answer," she wrote.

...

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lynn

[aunt_shoes]

"Phil:

The hoax below came to my mail box about a week ago. I sent out mail to let people know it was not true and why.

You have accused Dr. Taitz of planting this hoax on the Internet.

What is your proof?

Please tell me, Phil. As as investigative journalist, I’d like to know.

You know something, Phil? I have tried to be fair about some of what has been going on regarding the legal battles re Obama’s birth cert and citizenship. The sniping has been most unbecoming by some and simply grand standing by one of the attorney’s.

The lawsuit you recently filed shocked me. Now, you make this accusation without providing a shred of proof or evidence.

I have to wonder what this vendetta is against Dr. Taitz?

At least when Leo Donofrio has disagreed with Orly on some of the legal aspects, he has done so professionally and respectfully.

For some reason I can’t figure out, you have become vicious towards her and I don’t believe it’s just about this Lisa person. It’s something else.

You are wrong in your assessment that the lawsuit you filed against Orly and anyone else you could lump in is hurting her. Quite the opposite. I can tell you I’ve had a flood of emails from people damning you and wanting to know what your agenda really is. You see, it’s not just me.

In closing, I’m sorry to see what I consider to be base and demeaning behavior on your part. You cheapen yourself by wallowing in a pig sty of innuendo and dirty tricks. Most regrettable.

Cordially,

Devvy Kidd"

Found this on Orly Taitz blog from readers

[Pepsi]

Schneller v. Cortes: Distributed for SCOTUS Conference

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6366

[jcalex]

Update on Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuits‏

UPDATE: Our efforts to compel Senator Barack Obama to produce a valid birth certificate in order to prove that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States ARE TAKING OFF!

As you may already know, we recently filed suit in California to push the issue and, at this very moment, we're helping to fund the suit in Mississippi. We are in communication with other states that have suits in process; and we're putting plans into action to file suits in additional states as well!

But, because our efforts are taking off, that also means we need your help!

According to a recent headline in WorldNetDaily, Team Obama tried to dismiss efforts to demand that he prove his eligibility to hold the office of President of the United States as "GARBAGE"!

But they're taking the matter a little bit more seriously NOW! With each passing day, Team Obama is finding it harder and harder to dismiss the question.

Team Obama would love for this issue to simply die or go away. We're NOT GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN!

If you're committed to this fight, but that means we need your help NOW MORE THAN EVER to keep going!

Wouldn't it be great if we could issue this challenge in EVERY STATE WHERE SENATOR OBAMA WON?

You can make that happen!


The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help - it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms - that's not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS - that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We're relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

https://secure.conservativedonations.com/usjf_house/?a=1949

Please use the hyperlink above to make your best TAX-DEDUCTIBLE effort to be a part of this battle and support the vital mission of USJF.

Protecting The Constitution Is Not "GARBAGE".

Team Obama: "All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage."

According to the WorldNetDaily headline above, that was the retort of an Obama campaign spokesperson when asked about complaints requesting that Senator Obama produce a valid Birth Certificate to prove that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States.

"Garbage" ...?

Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Enforcing the Constitution of the United States is NOT "garbage" and furthermore, securing the rights of the people under the Constitution is NOT "garbage"!

The Obama campaign's response is an elitist, condescending slap in the face to patriotic Americans. No one is above the law and Team Obama cannot make the question of Obama's eligibility go away by disrespecting the American people - and by inference, the Constitution of the United States.

That's why we filed our action in California, an action that Senator Obama will not be able to ignore... an action that will not go away!

That's why with your help, we're going to expand these efforts!

In fact, in my humble opinion... we will ONLY "LOSE" if we do NOT have the resources we need to carry on for as long as it takes, and we will "win" as long as we can carry on this fight (more on that later).

SO PLEASE KEEP READING... I promise that when you're done, you will agree that we have filed the mother of all actions.


The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help - it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms - that's not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS - that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We're relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

Please use the hyperlink above to make your best TAX-DEDUCTIBLE effort to be a part of this battle and support the vital mission of USJF.

What About Other Court Actions? How Is The USJF Action Different ...

In a nutshell, the courts are ruling that petitioners in other court actions lack standing!

While we don't necessarily agree with that premise, the petitioners in our action HAVE STANDING!

We state in the Petition we initially filed with the court in California:

"The parties in this case have standing to bring this litigation, due to the fact that Dr. Keyes and Dr. Drake, Sr., are candidates on the California ballot for President and Vice President of the United States, and Mr. Robinson is an Elector for the Keyes-Drake ticket, and Vice Chairman of America's Independent Party, of Fenton, Michigan, which nominated Dr. Keyes for President. He is also a Chairman of the American Independent Party (California), which nominated Dr. Keyes and Dr. Drake for President and Vice President, respectively. Based on the foregoing, it is imperative for SOS to be provided proof that Senator Obama is a 'natural born' citizen."

Alan Keyes and Wiley Drake were actually on the ballot in California and Markham Robinson is an Elector for Keyes-Drake.

If Keyes and Drake and Robinson don't have standing, one would be hard-pressed to find ANYONE who has standing and if the court attempts to use the lack-of-standing argument, it's an implied admission that NO ONE has standing to enforce the Constitution!


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The Usurper-in-Chief...

Now... a dose of reality. Frankly, a case of this magnitude could be in the courts for years. There are no quick solutions... BUT THAT'S OKAY.

The key is in the following statement which also appears in the Petition:

"Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal."

Part of that statement bears repeating:

"... none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal."

In other words, as long as this case is in the courts, a cloud hangs over Senator Obama's head and for the sake of our Constitution and our Republic, the issue MUST be resolved!

If President Obama issues an Executive Order to rescind the Mexico City Policy and allows the tax dollars of Americans to fund organizations that promote abortions overseas, the door to question the legitimacy of that Executive Order remains open.

If President Obama signs a treaty with an unfriendly power or the United Nations, the door to question the legitimacy of that treaty remains open.

If President Obama signs a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens into law, the door to question the legitimacy of that law remains open.

If President Obama appoints new Commissioners to the FCC who bring back the so-called Fairness Doctrine, the door to question those appointments and the legitimacy of the actions taken by his appointees remains open.

That's not to say that he can't or won't be able to fulfill the duties of his office, but until this matter is resolved... until he can validate that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States, the door will always remain open to question and challenge the legitimacy of his actions and the dire consequences of those actions.

In short... as long as we have the resources to fight, we're ahead of the game!

That's where you come in.


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This Is A Fight To The Finish.

To be brutally blunt, a case of this magnitude may not be won or lost on the merits.

I'm very proud of USJF's accomplishments over the past 29 years.

We've defended members of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

USJF led the fight on both the appellate and trial court levels to protect the right of all families in California to home-school their children.

We've testified before the United States Senate on Supreme Court appointees.

But all that won't really matter. It won't matter which side has the most skilled attorneys. Talent, competence and experience do not assure victory.

Here's the bottom line.

Team Obama presently has THREE LAW FIRMS at its disposal - and a seemingly unlimited ability to raise funds from the far-left for re-enforcements.

Three law firms potentially translates to scores of attorneys and possibly hundreds of clerks who can literally throw paperwork at us until we crack under the sheer pressure and cry uncle.

They'll stall and delay and throw work at us so fast, so furiously and for so long... then they'll wait for us to break under the strain and give up. Or so they think...

Team Obama doesn't fear our skill or the merits of our case.

The ONLY THING THEY FEAR IS YOU!

They hope and pray that you will not support our efforts or that you will grow tired of the fight. Conversely, what they fear most is that you will join us and support our efforts!

They know that if you support us, we'll have the ability to take on additional clerical and research staff, cover court fees, file briefs and take on outside counsel on an as-needed basis.

That's why they're praying you don't help us... but we're praying that you do!

USJF wasn't approached by a group of hot-shot movers and shakers. We took on this burden because like you we love this great country and we REFUSE to stand idly by while the Left disrespects the Constitution, the American people and our electoral process.

USJF is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization. We go where others fear to tread. We're adept at taking on vastly superior forces. And we're committed to hitting the trenches on this one and willing to get bloody if we must.

That's our promise to you.

But, in the end, our commitment and our "pit-bull" determination doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Winning or losing is NOT in our control... and it's not in Team Obama's control... IT'S IN YOUR HANDS!

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Subject: Fw: Fw: Obama US citizenship

Scalia is following through: The pressure to continues to mount of getting suspicious records about Obama and his county of origin.

SNOPES confirms that Occidental College did, indeed, release records that Obama had been admitted to that California college as Barry Sortero ( one of Obama's known 6 names) on a Fullbright Scolarship with his country as INDONESIA!!!!
Finally, just maybe the mask will come off. TRUTH OR FICTION takes a neutral position.

Smoking Gun Found?
So what will happen now? Wonder why the media has not reported on this?

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California .
The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship
for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya , and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim.

The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy, and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London , where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue..

Britain 's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front- page article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.


In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups,
Justice Antonin S calia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president..


Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation, has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his person al records.
Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney gene ral, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.


LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS THE MEDIA WON'T EMBRACE!

[phoenixrising]

the occidental part is an internet hoax!! it was released april 1st!

& snopes is not a clearing house for important matters imho

[Sandra]

But.... World Net Daily VALIDATED THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH IT'S OWN EXPERTS!!!!!!!! EXPLAIN.


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

WND ELECTION 2008
Democrat sues Sen. Obama over 'fraudulent candidacy'
Lawsuit disputing U.S. citizenship based in part on discredited claims
Posted: August 23, 2008
5:40 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Philip J. Berg

A prominent Pennsylvania Democrat has sued Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, claiming that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, therefore, is not eligible to be president of the United States.

Philip J. Berg, a former member of Pennsylvania's Democratic State Committee and former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, filed the lawsuit this week in U.S District Court, asking the court to declare Obama ineligible for the presidency and to prevent him from running for the position.

However, a WND investigation has found that at least part of Berg's lawsuit relies on discredited claims.

A separate motion was also filed seeking a temporary restraining order on Obama's presidential campaign until Obama's eligibility can be verified.

The lawsuit claims Barack Obama's eligibility is questionable on several grounds, including the allegation that he was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship, that his Hawaii birth certificate is a forgery – a now discredited claim – that he was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship.

In short, the suit claims Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child (Editor's note: This point is not supported by U.S. citizenship law); may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.

Why would a Democrat do this to his party's own candidate? And why right before the National Convention?

(Story continues below)




"Eighteen million Democratic Primary voters donated money, volunteered their time and energy, worked very hard and then not only supported Senator Clinton, but voted for her," Berg stated in a press release about the suit. "All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because (Obama) lied and cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process."

Berg explained in a radio interview with Roger Hedgecock of KOGO in San Diego that Internet reports had been persistent over the last several months that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen. After doing his own careful research, Berg explained, he came to the conclusion the reports were more fact than rumor and that he needed to act quickly, before the election process proceeded.

"I filed this action at this time," said Berg in a press release, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated."


School record that lists "Barry Soetoro," a.k.a. Barack Obama, as Indonesian citizen (AP photo)



However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.

A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

The Berg lawsuit contends there is enough truth in the various reports to conclude, "Unfortunately, Obama is not a 'natural born' citizen."

The suit alleges that while records exist of a "registry of birth" for Obama in Hawaii (filed four days after his claimed birthday), no records exist of his mother's stay in any Hawaii hospital, suggesting she may have given birth elsewhere and filed the registration shortly thereafter on American soil.

"Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states. "Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."

The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public.

Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

However, there doesn't seem to be any evidence Ann Dunham expatriated. Also, consulting citizenship experts contend that if Obama indeed obtained Indonesian citizenship, it simply would not have been recognized by the U.S., but the presidential candidate would retain his American citizenship.

Even after her divorce and return to the U.S., the suit says, "Obama's mother failed to take the oath in order to regain her U.S. Citizenship. Therefore, Obama would not have been able to regain his U.S. Citizenship until he turned 18 years (and) after he took the oath of allegiance."

"Since the oath of allegiance would have been entered in the records of the appropriate embassy, legation, consulate, court or the Attorney General, if Plaintiff is incorrect, then Obama should be able to produce in Court a certified copy of the proceedings, including a copy of the oath administered," the suit states.

The lawsuit then claims an investigation has shown that in 1981, "Obama traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian passport. At the time of travels to Indonesia, Obama was 20 years old. He was well aware he maintained his Indonesia citizenship, and failed to regain his United States citizenship. … Even if Obama maintained his United States Citizenship, which he failed to do, he also carries citizenships in Kenya and Indonesia. Obama has divided loyalties with foreign countries. Thus, Obama carries multiple citizenships and is ineligible to run for President of the United States."

A WND investigation could not find any proof Obama used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan. However, WND noted that Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule and that it was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance – meaning, it would have been easier to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport.

Berg claims his lawsuit is necessary, not only to protect the Constitution, but also to protect the integrity of the Democratic Party.

"If the DNC officers and/or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence, we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship," said Berg in his press release. "The injunctive relief must be granted because failing to do so, (the DNC's) inaction defrauds everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary."

[phoenixrising]

for the record a BC has *never* been produced...& if discussion continues on a "birth certificate" ...people are missing the point. it's about being a NBC....

[Sandra]

for the record a BC has *never* been produced...& if discussion continues on a "birth certificate" ...people are missing the point. it's about being a NBC....


For the RECORD shown above. WND saw the BC and the experts they used disagree with you and reported so. So, is WND not a worthy source now?

[phoenixrising]

a COLB in the state of HI...is not a BC.

[anaconda]

I thought I read on the Forum that a federal district court in southern California had agreed to hear a citizenship case? Don't we want to mention this in this thread? Or, was that another hoax?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=199660&highlight=case+merits

[Pepsi]

It was on Taitz website, it still could be thrown out.

[libertarian4321]

Update: It appears that Barack Obama is still President.

Of course, it would be childish of me to say "I told you so!", so I won't do it...

[Danke]

Update: It appears that Barack Obama is still President.

Of course, it would be childish of me to say "I told you so!", so I won't do it...

So many told us Ron Paul had no chance to be elected as President. Waste of money. Principles be damned! Man, I feel so bad I wasted my vote.

I should have listen to you!

[phoenixrising]

if anyone wants to get a true constitution education in a blog...go to LD's blog (ESQ)

start from the back & work your wat forward...read the comments...as he posts corrections or accolades so you really get it down!

naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

[libertarian4321]

So many told us Ron Paul had no chance to be elected as President. Waste of money. Principles be damned! Man, I feel so bad I wasted my vote.

I should have listen to you!

Trying to compare Ron Paul's honorable campaign to this absurd Quixotic witch hunt is just silly.

[Peace&Freedom]

Meeting basic Constitutional requirements are a witch hunt? Now THAT'S silly. Man up and support this honorable cause, not just the constitutional efforts that make you feel 'respectable.'