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rational thinker
12-05-2008, 07:46 AM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/48ac15fc-c1bc-11dd-831e-000077b07658.html


The US was lectured about its economic fragilities on Thursday as senior Chinese officials urged the administration to stabilise its economy, boost its savings rate and protect Chinese investments.

The message went to Hank Paulson, the US Treasury secretary, in Beijing for the strategic economic dialogue he helped launch to discuss long-term issues between the two countries.
As expected, Mr Paulson urged Beijing not to abandon efforts to let the renminbi appreciate, said US officials, amid fears China might want to let its currency weaken to help local exporters weather the global slowdown.

But Mr Paulson also found himself facing calls for the US to address its own economic problems. Wang Qishan, a vice-premier and leader of the Chinese delegation at the two-day talks, called on the US to take swift action to address the crisis.

“We hope the US side will take the necessary measures to stabilise the economy and financial markets as well as guarantee the safety of China’s assets and investments in the US,” he said.

The dialogue was dominated by the global crisis. Zhou Xiaochuan, governor of the Chinese central bank, urged the US to rebalance its economy. “Over-consumption and a high reliance on credit is the cause of the US financial crisis,” he said. “As the largest and most important economy in the world, the US should take the initiative to adjust its policies, raise its savings ratio appropriately and reduce its trade and fiscal deficits.”

Although China also faces a rapidly slowing economy and rising unemployment, the tone of the comments reflected an underlying shift in power.

Eswar Prasad, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said: “One result of the crisis is that the US no longer holds the high ground to lecture China on financial or macroeconomic policies.”

rational thinker
12-05-2008, 01:04 PM
bump

PatriotLegion
12-05-2008, 01:23 PM
US to China... "Thanks, I guess we will take back our millions of jobs back, then we will see what you say!"

dannno
12-05-2008, 01:26 PM
As expected, Mr Paulson urged Beijing not to abandon efforts to let the renminbi appreciate, said US officials, amid fears China might want to let its currency weaken to help local exporters weather the global slowdown.

Really??

What does Paulson have up his sleave now?

Jeremy
12-05-2008, 01:44 PM
I was watching the Chinese leader on TV once and the interviewer happily asked him something like "is this happening in the US because capitalism fails." And if I remember correctly, whats-his-name ate it up and was like Yaaaa. See, US leaders like to think their country has capitalism. Chinese leaders like to think their country has communism?

mrkurtz
12-05-2008, 01:55 PM
US to China... "Thanks, I guess we will take back our millions of jobs back, then we will see what you say!"

Don't be naive. The free market in terms of labor has forced companies to go to places like Thailand, China, India and Lithuania for cheap manufacturing. Sure, take those manufacturing jobs back to the US... and then go through the contemporary case study of the US auto industry and see how they will inevitably fail.

Xenophage
12-05-2008, 02:11 PM
Don't be naive. The free market in terms of labor has forced companies to go to places like Thailand, China, India and Lithuania for cheap manufacturing. Sure, take those manufacturing jobs back to the US... and then go through the contemporary case study of the US auto industry and see how they will inevitably fail.

Bullshit.

Controlled markets at home have forced jobs overseas because its simply too expensive to employ American workers in American factories. We'll take those jobs back in an instant when production in the States is deregulated and given tax breaks. If that were to happen, China would find itself in dire straits economically.

America is still a bastion of industrial might, if it was only let out of its cage. In china, if they want to built a new hydroelectric plant they'll go out of their way to ravage the countryside and displace millions of people just to get the job done. In America, if we kill a butterfly someone gets their asses sued into bankruptcy... that is, if they even get permission to build in the first place!

PatriotLegion
12-05-2008, 02:14 PM
Don't be naive. The free market in terms of labor has forced companies to go to places like Thailand, China, India and Lithuania for cheap manufacturing. Sure, take those manufacturing jobs back to the US... and then go through the contemporary case study of the US auto industry and see how they will inevitably fail.

A global free market has in some ways destroyed the US economy. On the amount of goods that we import out weights any thing we export. Also all these NAFTA and "free trade agreements" only further hurt our products on the "free" world market with the VATS that make it not worth buying an American product over a domestic product.

Also as the great Paul says "A country that doesn't produce can't survive!"

mrkurtz
12-05-2008, 02:30 PM
Bullshit.

Controlled markets at home have forced jobs overseas because its simply too expensive to employ American workers in American factories.

What aspect of a "controlled" market would force jobs overseas? We have free trade agreements (an aspect of free markets) which provide an equal labor playing field. These free trade agreements may be selective (e.g. NAFTA, CAFTA), but they certainly are not controlled. If you are referring to the tariff policies, well, that's fine, but just forget about abolishing the income tax.


We'll take those jobs back in an instant when production in the States is deregulated and given tax breaks. If that were to happen, China would find itself in dire straits economically.

In Shenzhen and the neighboring industrialized cities, you'll find a wage that varies from $75/mo for very low skilled labor to about $250/mo for some of the most experienced and skilled labor. There is nothing deregulation can do that would make US manufacturing competitive on a price basis.

What puts China in dire straits is if the US stops consuming... not start manufacturing.


America is still a bastion of industrial might, if it was only let out of its cage. In china, if they want to built a new hydroelectric plant they'll go out of their way to ravage the countryside and displace millions of people just to get the job done. In America, if we kill a butterfly someone gets their asses sued into bankruptcy... that is, if they even get permission to build in the first place!

Democracy can occasionally get in the way. Opposition to nuclear plants has never been a national item, but certainly a local/regional one. It's the "not in my back yard" syndrome, and no elected official will dare upset that tenuous balance.

China is more draconian because it simply can be. I'm not advocating their style of governance or necessarily their economic focus, but this is reality and no drumming of the American industrial past can reverse the bleeding of manufacturing jobs.