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awake
12-04-2008, 07:54 PM
Topic Number 1 . What the %$$# is going on in my country?


A political crisis all of a sudden in Canada is near comical if it were not indeed so sad.
The political gamesmanship is off the scale. We have to choose between a would be sweater vest wearing dictator or a ragtag band of socialist separatists.

I really hope that this isn't our 'save us Obama' moment..


I am in favor of the party who does the least in terms of bailouts and dropping cash bags from helicopters. Hopefully, this parliamentary time out will allow us to bypass all this joint bailout nonsense with other countries.

Kludge
12-04-2008, 07:57 PM
Sounds like a good time to clone Obama and send the clone your way.


Oh wait -- Let's merge countries!!! Hell, invite Mexico too!

nate895
12-04-2008, 07:58 PM
What is wrong with separatists? I don't like socialists, but separating from a large oppressive government is definitely justifiable.

awake
12-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Well in terms of our Quebec separatists, they would like to break all ties and connection with the rest of Canada to protect their cultural heritage. I have no problem with this in theory - but they seem to think that separating means Canada must then subsidize there completely independent country with the funds of the ex- party country (alimony I guess). That's where their version of the theory meets a scratching record.

nate895
12-04-2008, 08:09 PM
Well in terms of our Quebec separatists, they would like to break all ties and connection with the rest of Canada to protect their cultural heritage. I have no problem with this in theory - but they seem to think that separating means Canada must then subsidize there completely independent country with the funds of the ex- party country (alimony I guess). That's where their version of the theory meets a scratching record.

That sounds stupid. Canadians of today have in no way damaged the Quebecois, and it would be further injustice to force those Canadians for something that happened before their Southern neighbor was even conceived of as a country.

HOLLYWOOD
12-04-2008, 11:50 PM
Well in terms of our Quebec separatists, they would like to break all ties and connection with the rest of Canada to protect their cultural heritage. I have no problem with this in theory - but they seem to think that separating means Canada must then subsidize there completely independent country with the funds of the ex- party country (alimony I guess). That's where their version of the theory meets a scratching record.

I spoke to some Quebecans a few months ago and I asked them about The Secession Vote that lost.

They seemed very level headed PhDs and they both agreed that the majority wanted separation, polls indicated a win and when the vote came in... Independence Failed. They all thought the votes/results were rigged and government controlled it all. They decided to work for a lot more money over their Quebec Independent country, so they both gave their analogy that both the US & Canada are Corrupt and Manipulative on the people and elections. They figure, WTF, might as well go to the US and make bank as doctors. I don't blame them at all for that move.

Independence is a very good thing...

PS: the Quebecans moved to Lafayette, Louisiana

Danke
12-05-2008, 02:36 PM
By Randall Palmer and David Ljunggren

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper won a rare suspension of Parliament on Thursday, managing to avoid being ousted by opposition parties angry over the minority Conservative government's economic plans and an attempt to cut off party financing.

Governor General Michaelle Jean -- the representative of Queen Elizabeth, Canada's head of state -- agreed to Harper's request to shut down Parliament until Jan 26. Parliament was reconvened just weeks ago after the October 14 election.

Harper's request for suspension was unprecedented. No prime minister had asked for Parliament to be suspended to avoid a confidence vote in the House of Commons.

Such a vote had been set for Monday and the Conservatives almost certainly would have lost it, and faced the possibility of being replaced by a coalition of opposition parties.

After a two-hour meeting with the governor general, Harper reaffirmed his promise to present a budget on Jan 27 and called on the opposition to work with the government over the next few weeks to tackle the effects of the global financial crisis.

"Today's decision will give us an opportunity -- and I'm talking about all the parties -- to focus on the economy and to work together," he told reporters.

The opposition Liberals, New Democrats and the separatist Bloc Quebecois -- all to the left of the Conservatives -- had signed a deal to defeat the Conservatives and put forward a Liberal-New Democrat coalition to form a new government.

The Bloc, which wants to take French-speaking Quebec out of Canada, pledged to back the coalition's budgets and general policy direction.

The governor general's role in government, as representative of the Crown, is largely ceremonial, though she has the final word on constitutional matters. Should the government be defeated in a confidence vote, she would decide whether to call a new election or allow the opposition to form a coalition government.

HOLLYWOOD
12-05-2008, 02:54 PM
Canadian Sheeple too!


I wound BAN all MONARCHY reference in Currencies across Canada.

I would prefer to have Canadian Hockey Teams, Olympic Heros, and national scenery on Coins/Currency,... Not the Tyrannical references to a Pompus Blue-Blooded Oligarchy Empire of Conquest!

torchbearer
12-05-2008, 02:58 PM
A lot of quebec exiles ended up in south louisiana. the ancestors of Cajuns.
In fact, south louisiana is called Acadiana.. and the parish i grew up in is called Evangeline, the women who came here in exile and waited her entire life for the arrival of her husband... that never made it.

torchbearer
12-05-2008, 03:00 PM
A lot of quebec exiles ended up in south louisiana. the ancestors of Cajuns.
In fact, south louisiana is called Acadiana.. and the parish i grew up in is called Evangeline, the women who came here in exile and waited her entire life for the arrival of her husband... that never made it.

here:

A symbolic mural of Evangeline was painted by the American artist Minetta Good for the postmaster’s office in St. Martinville, Louisiana. Evangeline is seated beneath " the Evangeline oak", beside the Bayou Teche, grieving for her lover. Taken from Longfellow’s Evangeline A Tale of Acadie, page xxiv.

Acadian Exiles

In the poem "Evangeline", the heroine spends much of her life wandering North America in search of her lost love. The real Acadian exiles were much like Evangeline in their heartbreak from being forced from their homes. Many of them also travelled throughout the colonies and Canada in search of their families and friends and the life that they had been torn from.

It is estimated that more than 6,000 Acadians were deported from their homeland by the British in the 1750s. While the deportation itself has become a significant footnote in the history books, little has been said about the lives of the Acadians after the deportation. Many of the exiles died of disease and weakness from hunger and exposure to the elements during their journey from Acadia to their various destinations. Those who survived were scattered along the East Coast of America, and most of them were separated from their families and friends. For decades, the survivors travelled throughout the colonies, searching for relatives, acquaintances and a place to call home.

The first wave of Acadians was rounded up in 1755 and loaded onto English ships for transport. The colonial governments responded to the arrival of the exiles with varying dismay, since the Acadians were totally destitute and initially had to depend on the state for support. In Connecticut, 400 Acadians were divided and sent to 50 different towns. The families and friends that had managed to remain together through the chaotic deportation were often split apart in the haphazard allotment to various towns.

By November of 1755, nearly one-third of the deported Acadians were landed in South Carolina, although this was not the original intention of the English officials. The government and people were alarmed by the arrival of the Acadians, and the legislature dispersed four-fifths of the exiles throughout the South Carolina parishes. The other 130 Acadians were sent to Virginia, where they obtained permission from the Governor to return to their homeland and reached the St. John River in April of 1756. Within a few years,the Governor of South Carolina also granted permission for the exiles to travel freely, and soon thereafter more than 900 Acadians reached the St. John. By 1763, only 283 Acadians were left in South Carolina.

In October of 1755, 450 Acadians were shipped from Acadia to Delaware, but were forced to move on due to a smallpox outbreak on the ships. They reached Philadelphia in December, weak with disease, hunger and cold. The people and government of Philadelphia were very nervous about dealing with the exiles after having heard a scathing report of them from the English official in charge of their deportation. The exiles lived in deplorable conditions,but were helped extensively by the Quaker population.

In New York, Acadians were received with distrust. More than 100 boys and girls travelled to New York in search of their parents, but the government indentured many of them because of the high cost of providing for them. Adults who straggled into New York were seized and the men were detained in gaols to keep them from escaping.

In other places, such as Maryland and Louisiana, the exiles were well received. Although the Acadians were not actually landed in Louisiana by the British, they were attracted to the area by the familiarity of the language and the opportunity to establish a new community. The Acadians thrived in Louisiana and their culture evolved through the centuries to become know as "Cajun". The roots of the music, customs and culture of the modern Cajuns can be easily traced to their Acadian ancestors.

The Acadian exiles arrived penniless and homeless in the colonies and experienced a wide range of success and failure in their search for families, economic security and a home. Many exiles journeyed back to Acadia, settling in what are now known as the provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. The exiles who remained in the colonies either blended into the "melting pot" population or gravitated toward the small pockets of Acadian communities. Others, like Evangeline, wandered endlessly from place to place in search of the love, peace, prosperity and people that they had known and loved in their homeland of Acadia.



The Story behind Evangeline

Left: The tomb of Emmeline Labiche in St. Martinville, Louisiana.

The creation of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow’s poem, Evangeline, A Tale of Acadie, awakened a sense of outrage and, at the same time, an interest in history, to those who read it. Based on a true story, the poem evolved as an Acadian myth. Longfellow was first introduced to the story by fellow writer Nathanial Hawthorne in 1845. Enthralled with the romantic potential of the story, Longfellow asked, and was granted, Hawthorne’s permission to use it as a basis for an epic poem. The poem first appeared in 1847.

The true story of Evangeline is the tale of Emmeline Labiche and her love, Louis Arceneaux, who were separated when the British invaded Nova Scotia in 1755. Louis, like Gabriel in the poem, was forced on a ship and set out to sea. An orphan, Emmeline was adopted by the family of the Widow Borda, who regarded her, "as not of this earth, but rather as their guardian angel, and this is why they called her no longer Emmeline, but Evangeline, or God’s little angel.(1) Exiled to Maryland, the family eventually joined other deported Acadians in Louisiana. After some time, Evangeline found Louis, but she could not be with him. Sources conflict regarding the events that follow; some say Louis had agreed to marry another woman, while others place the reunited lovers in a hospital where Louis lay dying. Either way, the devastation of losing the love of her life drove Evangeline to insanity and eventually death.

As those who read Lonfellow’s Evangeline will realize, the poet took some liberties with the tale in order to mold it to his liking. It is perhaps due to this poetic license that many became outraged after reading the seemingly harmless, romantic commentary on the displacement of a people. The French loved the poem; its portrayal of Acadian suffering was translated into French in 1865. The British, on the other hand, viewed it as misleading; the poem was removed from British Columbia school curriculum in the early twentieth century.(2) The poem became so widely read that many scholars felt the need to set the record straight. Historians of Nova Scotia attempted to prove the falsehoods revealed in the poem; what ensued was a debate between historians and the Acadian people over the Acadian "symbol of renewel".(3) The tactic used by historians was to attack not his poetry, but Longfellow’s reputation as a historian. Eventually, some historians succeeded in illustrating the embellished nature of the description of the deportation, but as M. Brook Taylor writes, "Once Acadians. . . had accepted Evangeline ‘as an acceptable embodiment of their own myths,’ the expulsion became the focal point of racial, religious and political passions."(4) However, in spite of historical inaccuracies, Evangeline remains one Longfellow’s best loved poems.

a Nation by preserving our cultural heritage.”



Evangeline and Justice

"Once in an ancient city, whose name I no longer remember,/ Raised aloft on a column, a brazen statue of Justice/ Stood in the public square, upholding the scales in its left hand,/ And in its right a sword, as an emblem that justice presided/ Over the laws of the land, and the hearts and homes of the people./ Even the birds had built their nests in the scales of the balance,/ Having no fear of the sword that flashed in the sunshine above them./ But in the course of time the laws of the land were corrupted;/ Might took the place of right, and the weak were oppressed, and the mighty/ ruled with an iron rod. Then it chanced in a nobleman's palace/ That a necklace of pearls was lost, and erelong a suspicion/ Fell on an orphan girl who lived as a maid in the household./ She, after form of trial condemned to die on the scaffold,/ Patiently met her doom at the foot of the statue of Justice./ As to her Father in heaven her innocent spirit ascended,/ Lo! o'er the city a tempest rose; and the bolts of the thunder/ Smote the statue of bronze, and hurled in wrath from its left hand/ Down on the pavement below the clattering scales of the balance,/ And in the hollow thereof was found in nest of a magpie,/ Into whose clay-built walls the necklace of pearls was inwoven." (Part the First, Sec. III.)

"Man is unjust, but God is just; and finally justice Triumphs..."

Longfellow's words put into the mouth of Rene Leblanc, sum up the entire tale of Evangeline and Acadia in just eleven words. In the simplicity of the phrase, an entire history is laid out for the reader. Through the tragic deportation sequence, the reader sees the injustice of man carried out quite harshly. Even as the British forces pulled the Acadian culture up by the roots, though, the devoutly Catholic Acadians found consolation in the justice of God, praying, "O Father, forgive them!" This injustice against a culture and separation of Evangeline and Gabriel was not resolved until the final reunification in the final words of the poem. The comforting justice of God is also a recurring theme in Longfellow's epic. In the above tale, Longfellow consoles the reader, through a small bit of foreshadowing, and let's the reader know that with God, everything will turn out in the end of both the poem and the common man's life. Remembering that story and the message contained within, comforts Evangeline during her search for Gabriel. When the cycle of justice is completed in the finale by Evangeline and Gabriel being reunited, the injustices have finally been overturned and the feelings of all are expressed best in Evangeline's last spoken words, simple though they be, "Father, I Thank Thee."



Historical Aspects of Acadia

The story of Longfellow's Acadians has its beginnings in the seventeenth century along the shores of the Bay of Fundy. The name, "Acadie," first bestowed on North America in 1524, by explorer, Giovanni Verrazano, was later adopted by the inhabitants of the, "continental cornice;" the modern day territory of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Little did King James of England realize, that his 1621 land grant of Acadia to sir William Alexander would have major global consequences for hundreds of years to come.

Because of Nova Scotia's geographic location, situated half way between Boston and the mouth of the St. Lawrence River, the Acadian people there were subjected to the economic and political policies of the world powers, England and France, at the same time. This strategic area referred to as the gateway to North America, "became a pawn on the great chessboard of imperialistic policies." Unfortunately, like all militarily crucial regions, Acadians suffered through numerous wars and battles as control of the region oscillated back and forth between French and English rule. The Acadians struggled to maintain there lives and homeland realizing that they were powerless to control their own destiny.

In 1713, the signing of the Treaty of Utrecht, briefly insured peace and settled the war by changing the balance of power in North America. The British were ceded the Acadian lands, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. The French Acadians were now English subjects and there homeland would soon include the British Naval centerpiece of the Maritime region, Halifax, which was built in response to the construction of the French fortress at Louisbourg, Cape Breton. Too soon the battles resumed and not until the Treaty of Paris in 1763, does Acadia as well as Canada and New France become united under one nation, Great Britain.

Throughout their tumultuous history, the resilient Acadian people preserved their own identity, fostered their unique French culture all while maintaining their neutral position during the wars on their soil. Today, Acadians continue to prosper fishing and farming in their homeland, but this has not always been the case.

Following the 1763 fall of Nova Scotia to the English, Acadians continued to maintain their oath of neutrality although they were now a British Crown possession. To correct this "problem with the Acadians," the British monarchy "demanded that the people swear an oath of loyalty." The fiercely independent Acadians refused as they "were convinced of there right to discuss and debate as the English Councillors were equally convinced of the Acadian right only to hear and accept. This stalemate resulted in, "le grand derangement;" the deportation of the Acadian people." On September 5, 1755, Acadian families were informed of their fate; "They were summarily imprisoned, and the British Council agreed unanimously that it would be most proper to send them to be distributed amongst the several colonies of the continent."

Over 6,000 Acadians were transported by ship to the British colonies. Some of those displaced settled in the East coast colonies while many simply waited to return to their homeland. A number of Acadian refugees landed in Louisiana joining other French Cajuns in the area.

Following the Treaty of Paris (1763) British authorities allowed Acadians to return with conditions. Within twenty years many Acadians did return but the fall of New France left Acadians little choice but to comply with the British demands for allegiance since France had been defeated and they could no longer count on the motherland's support. The many Acadians who returned to the English Maritimes settling throughout the region, starting over again, eventually becoming Canadians.

The Effect of "Evangeline" on the Interpretation of History in Nova Scotia

One of the effects that the publication of Evangeline had on the people of Nova Scotia was that it challenged traditional notions of the role of the British in the expulsion of the Acadians in 1755. Thomas C. Haliburton was the foremost historian in Nova Scotia prior to the publication of the poem. Longfellow used his book An Historical and Statistical Account of Nova Scotia as an aid in ensuring the historical accuracy of the poem. The interpretation of history that Haliburton sets out in his book was to become a familiar one; after the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, peaceful English settlers came to Acadia/Nova Scotia and were threatened and harassed by the Acadians, (Haliburton frequently refers to them as "Neutrals", a reference to their refusal to sign an oath of loyalty to the English crown,) and the "savages" under the auspices of the leaders of New France and the Roman Catholic clergy. Thus it was assumed that the expulsion of the Acadians was a necessary - and inevitable - step in the formation of an English Nova Scotia.

"Evangeline", then, was somewhat unique in its time in that it observed the story of the expulsion from the Acadian perspective. In doing so, it drew the world's attention to the tragedy, and necessitated a response from patriotic Nova Scotians, who now saw it as their duty to defend the honor of their province by justifying the expulsion. Beamish Murdoch published a three volume History of Nova Scotia, or Acadie in installments between 1865 and 1867. Murdoch claimed that the expulsion of the Acadians was a regrettable act, but that it was necessitated by England's war with France. [Murdoch is also said to have claimed in private that a group of New Englanders, among them Gov. William Shirley of Massachusetts, were primarily responsible for the expulsion.] T. B. Akins was commissioned to build an historical archive for Nova Scotia, and in 1869 published Selections from the Public Documents of the Province of Nova Scotia. Akins was one of a number of historians who contended that Longfellow's poem should be seen more as a work of art than as an accurate rendering of history. His publication of the archive was an attempt to counter the emotional impact of the poem with historical documents that shed light on the social, political, and military conditions that influenced the decision to expel the Acadians.

Francis Parkman affected a much more anti-French tone in his book Montcalm and Wolfe, v.1, published in 1884. Parkman had travelled to Paris and researched several documents which reiterated the charge that the French crown and the Roman Catholic clergy had incited the Acadians and the Micmacs to hostilities toward the English settlers. The villain of Parkman's narrative was Louis Joseph Le Loutre, the "vicar-general" of Acadia and a missionary to the Micmacs. According to Parkman, La Loutre was able to bully the Acadians with the help of the Micmacs into raids against the English, though he also made it clear that the Acadians were willing accomplices in the treachery.

The claims of Murdoch, Akins, Parkman and others provoked an inevitable reaction from Acadian sympathizers. Quebec's Abbe Henri-Raymond Casgrain published Un Peleninage au pays d'Evangeline in 1887, primarily as a response to Parkman's claim of a French conspiracy against the English. Casgrain claimed that the Acadians had been illegally prevented from migrating from French territory by the English, and that the government of Nova Scotia had conspired to suppress evidence favorable to the Acadians. Casgrain's contention that the Acadians had been detained by the English was corroborated by A. Doughty in his volume The Acadian Exiles, published in 1920. Doughty cited "A Description of Nova Scotia" by Paul Mascarene, a British officer who, writing in 1720, observed that while the British were inclined to expel the Acadians because of their ties to the Catholic church and because they incited the Micmacs, they were nevertheless compelled to prevent the Acadians from leaving because, one, an Acadian migration to Cape Breton would create a dangerous French stronghold to the north and, two, that the English needed the Acadians as labor to help build English fortifications in the colony.

The portrait that emerges from the work of these historians is that of the Acadians as pawns in a colonial game between the French and English. Defenders of Nova Scotia cite the ominous influence of the French, acting covertly through the Roman Catholic church. Defenders of the Acadians point to the English as manipulators, tolerating and even making use of the Acadians when it suited them, then disposing of them when they were no longer needed. The irony is that this portrait of political maneuvering is a far cry from the romantic passages of Longfellow; it's more Machiavelli than "Romeo and Juliet". Nevertheless, the debate sparked by Evangeline inadvertently recuscitated interest in the history of the province, creating new interpretations of Britain's colonial history.

Artforms of Acadia

Known as "Evangeline’s Country" the area formerly called Acadia holds tremendous history through its art formations. Evangeline is a romantic poem written by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow describing the expulsions of the Acadians from Nova Scotia in 1755. The Acadians were a French people who survived by cultivating the land through farming and the seas by fishing. In 1713, France compromised with Britain and gave the lands of Acadia to British rule. It is here that the resentment between the British and French began, but it continued for many years to come. Ultimately, Acadia refused to take allegiance from the crown of England. British Lieutenant-Colonel John Wilson gave unauthorized instructions to his troops on October 5, 1755 to remove all Acadians from the lands. Nearly 7,000 men, women and children were placed on ships and deported to various American Colonies along the East Coast. Many of them relocated to Quebec, France, Louisiana or to the French Islands off of the coast of Newfoundland, St. Pierre and Miquelon.

Unfortunately, men were separated from their families, families separated from lifelong friends and lovers separated from each other. Some were fortunate enough to be reunited with lost friends and families over the years to come. Others like the beautiful Evangeline and her handsome lover Gabriel faced a life bound by the power of the heart and the unending quest to meet each other once again. Evangeline is a literary artform proposed by Longfellow depicting the separation that flooded Acadia in 1755.

Perhaps the poem Evangeline grasped the world with its complex hexameter verse format, yet more likely it was the familiarity of two hearts longing for each other that gave this poem its tremendous successes throughout the world. Art forms, whether literary poetry, maps, paintings or drawings are a viable source of information when looking into the history of a people. In the pages following, you will find various maps of the lands of Acadia as well as paintings and photographs relating to Longfellow’s Evangeline and the land formerly known as "Acadie".

Stay tuned for a combination of art forms showing Evangeline and the lands of Acadia. A short bibliography follows.

HOLLYWOOD
12-05-2008, 04:23 PM
Too Bad y'all can't rid the state of Incomes Taxes and corruptions that have tainted the state.

torchbearer
12-05-2008, 04:36 PM
Too Bad y'all can't rid the state of Incomes Taxes and corruptions that have tainted the state.

our government was born out of french nobility...
a government of nepotism and maintaining power.
then the civil war happened. What did the major plantations owners do after their farms were shut down?
They took over government.
We also don't have common law, our laws are derived from napoleanic law.

Our income tax has a sunset provision on it... media never tells people the legislators keep renewing it.
In fact, the media here helps protect the powers that be to the extreme.

jkm1864
12-05-2008, 04:48 PM
Hey I live in Lafayette La and I would say its a great place if You want to find work. The cajuns are an interesting culture if You have never been around them.

jkm1864
12-05-2008, 04:51 PM
Yeah I hate the damn income taxes and seems to always keep growing every year. As a matter of fact I owe every year and nothing changes. We could be like texas though and pay 400 dollars a month in property taxes.

torchbearer
12-05-2008, 04:55 PM
Yeah I hate the damn income taxes and seems to always keep growing every year. As a matter of fact I owe every year and nothing changes. We could be like texas though and pay 400 dollars a month in property taxes.

They've been talking about a statewide property tax on top of the income tax.
Funny how people keep electing the same fuck ups.
We put in term limits, the jackasses just change what house of the legislature they are in...
The amount of voter ignorance in this state is beyond comprehension.

Danke
12-05-2008, 05:19 PM
Yeah I hate the damn income taxes and seems to always keep growing every year. As a matter of fact I owe every year and nothing changes. We could be like texas though and pay 400 dollars a month in property taxes.

Like most states with an income tax, my search shows that the Louisiana individual income tax liability is derived directly from the federal income tax liability.

If you are working in the private sector, there is a good chance you don't have federal liability. And therefore, no state liability.

torchbearer
12-05-2008, 05:21 PM
Like most states with an income tax, my search shows that the Louisiana individual income tax liability is derived directly from the federal income tax liability.

If you are working in the private sector, there is a good chance you don't have federal liability. And therefore, no state liability.

I always makes sure it ends up that way.. on way or another.

Why send money to a corrupt government?

awake
12-07-2008, 07:57 PM
Canada is about to be NWO'd

Read this Quote, try to find out which potential leader candidate said it...

"Adopting lesser evils is that, in a War on Terror, we simply cannot adhere to the existing
rule of law as written. If we do, we inevitably will give terrorists the advantage. We
cannot abandon the rule of law, however, because this would betray our institutions. To
defeat terror, therefore, we will be compelled to traffic in evil, i.e., strategies like
indefinite detention of suspects on lower standards of probable cause, coercive
interrogations that fall just short of torture, targeted assassinations of terrorist suspects,
and even preemptive war. Sadly, the issue is not whether we are going to do these
things—America is doing most of them already. The issue is whether we can do these
things, yet keep them under democratic control to ensure that America does not lose the
soul and substance of its free institutions."


This man is placing himself as a candidate to become our leader if the coalition wins? Harper isn't any one to write home about either....

here is the whole sorted article from our best and brightest http://www.middlebury.edu/NR/rdonlyres/6531F4FF-EED2-44EC-9831-2783EBD53D57/0/IgnatieffPaper.pdf

eric_cartman
12-07-2008, 08:26 PM
Canada really needs a Ron Paul.

HOLLYWOOD
12-07-2008, 08:28 PM
our government was born out of french nobility...
a government of nepotism and maintaining power.
then the civil war happened. What did the major plantations owners do after their farms were shut down?
They took over government.
We also don't have common law, our laws are derived from napoleanic law.

Our income tax has a sunset provision on it... media never tells people the legislators keep renewing it.
In fact, the media here helps protect the powers that be to the extreme.


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11849293 (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11849293)

Maybe some are getting itred of me always saying it here @ RPF... once again:

4th branch of the US Government: Main Stream Media (MSM) aka Department of Propaganda at it's best.

You know there's a problem with media and government, when News Veteran Dan Rather, speaks out at how colluding the 2 have become one.


Just keep makin those hot sauces... Damn best in the world! Great for a Killer Chili I'm thinking about marketing in a year or 2...

torchbearer
12-07-2008, 10:49 PM
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11849293 (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11849293)

Maybe some are getting itred of me always saying it here @ RPF... once again:

4th branch of the US Government: Main Stream Media (MSM) aka Department of Propaganda at it's best.

You know there's a problem with media and government, when News Veteran Dan Rather, speaks out at how colluding the 2 have become one.


Just keep makin those hot sauces... Damn best in the world! Great for a Killer Chili I'm thinking about marketing in a year or 2...

If we didn't have a damned over-bearing federal government we could so much more...