Human are causing Global Warming?

[awake]

"Indeed, over the past decade, the evidence for human-induced climate change has become one of the most widely accepted scientific findings of our time. Inhofe and Coburn are like soldiers climbing out of caves to fight a war that their generals long ago surrendered."

The above is from the Obama Script writers at the Brooking institute Propaganda dept.

Is not the climate change green revolution the largest socialist installation under the guise of the greater good? Environmental inspections, whole industries put out of business, neo enviro religious fanaticism. Go green or you are a climate criminal?.... utter madness.

Climate change is happening - but humans are not causing it. At the very least the debate is still very much open that it is a normal cycle of climate history.

The sad fact is this issue is in full 'ram through' mode as there are literally billions of dollars that are being salivated over by those who can care less about real science.

This 'global threat' works for great for government (taxes) , works for corporate industrialists (carbon credit bankers) and the poor and working classes will bear the burden.

[Kotin]

not only are we causing the earth to heat up.. but we are also the cause of every other planet in our solar system heating up..

we need more laws to restrict this, but dont worry I'm sure the change we just voted in will run its course ;)

[Theocrat]

Your thread title should read, "Humans are Causing Global Warming?"

In relation to your post, humans may be contributing to global warming, but so what? Humans are also killing bacteria in their bodies through their immune systems and antibiotics they use. Should we be just as concerned with "bacteria rights" as we are with "Earth rights," as much as the Leftist communitarians would have us be?

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Things have been cooling for the last 10 YEARS. Don't buy into their BS.

We are likely heading into a mini-iceage, and I suspect they are not telling anyone because they want to wipe out masses of people. Just watch this winter... We'll break last years records, and last years records broke the previous records for the last 150 years... Like it snowed in Baghdad for the first time in recorded human history!

[dwdollar]

Global Warming gives me hope.

No really!

The propaganda ministers have been pushing global warming for two decades now, but Americans can't quite choke it down. It gives me hope, that no matter how long they keep the propaganda flowing (on any given issue), there's always a chance Americans won't buy it.

[oilboiler]

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-%20blog

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yes...you too are a "carbon credit"...how many carbon credits would the USA get if they wipe out everyone over 44? China is petititioning to use all their aborted babies as carbon credits. This is very dangerous. Need a carbon credit? just turn off someone's oxygen tank if they dont' pay their taxes...tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

I swear, I am beginning to feel like i'm in a dang B rated Horror flick. tones

[werdd]

Did dinosaurs cause global warming in the jurassic period?

[Truth Warrior]

Don't be arrogant, we just ain't that important. ;) :D

[FindLiberty]

Did dinosaurs cause global warming in the jurassic period?

Yes, to some slight degree... BUT NOT BY MUCH! And not enough to hold off an Ice Age or two since then.

re OP: Human are NOT causing Global Warming either. It's all controlled by the Sun.

They will want to enact a Sunlight Tax next.

[nodope0695]

Human induced global warming or climate change is a myth, a fraud, and another way to prevent poor countries from advancing while maintaining western supremacy, among other things. Its also BIG business. If you believe in it after reading as much of both sides of the issue as you can, then you're stupid, and a hopeless liberal. No offense to stupid people.

[Elwar]

I just bought a house on a canal...the water is about 1-2ft deep at low tide, not much room for putting a boat out there.

I've invested a lot in this house and this global warming thing better damn well happen so that the iceburgs melt and the water levels rise enough for me to put a boat back there.

I do my part by eating a lot of beef which gives farmers incentive to breed more cows which do a lot of farting.

What have you done to help?

[smithtg]

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-%20blog


Icecap is a great website.


i also like http://climatedebatedaily.com/

[tangent4ronpaul]

This reminds me of a cartoon I saw once. Earth is in the doctors office:

Earth: My air and water is polluted, my icebergs are melting and my forests are receding.

Doc: take these (hands Earth a pill vial)

Earth: What are they?

Doc: 50,000 neutron bombs...

-t

[ghengis86]

Yes...you too are a "carbon credit"...how many carbon credits would the USA get if they wipe out everyone over 44? China is petititioning to use all their aborted babies as carbon credits. This is very dangerous. Need a carbon credit? just turn off someone's oxygen tank if they dont' pay their taxes...tones

tones, can you cite a source for the aborted chinese carbon credits? i would love to through this one out in my discussions. thanks

[winston_blade]

Wait I don't get it.

How are my carbon emissions making the sun hotter?

[Truth Warrior]

Wait I don't get it.

How are my carbon emissions making the sun hotter? Ask the Martians, their planet is getting hotter too.

[JK/SEA]

George Carlin on Global Warming..watch, listen and learn..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljNDbKpusT0

[itsthepathocrats]

nm

[Brian4Liberty]

Sorry, it's not a black and white issue. There are a multitude of parameters, and there is no way to test theories about the whole system. Anyone who gives an absolute yes or no has an agenda other than science.

"Global warming" itself is an ambiguous term. If the global water and air currents change, you can have cooling at the poles and heating (and drought) at the equator all at the same time.

But one question stands out: why is it a good idea to deforest the planet? Combine that with run-off pollution and ocean changes that kill plankton, and we may have to worry about an oxygen shortage...

[Krugerrand]

tones, can you cite a source for the aborted chinese carbon credits? i would love to through this one out in my discussions. thanks

not sure if it hits the nail dead center, but it's close:
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL30472039

[Xenophage]

Guys, this is like claiming there's no scientific proof that cigarettes cause cancer.

Yes, we are causing climate change. Its inescapable - there is going to be SOME SORT OF EFFECT on the climate when we introduce greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.

This is the thing: Its hard to say how MUCH we're contributing to the climate change. We do know that the Earth is way overdue for an ice age, and we may have simply delayed that a bit, or we may have completely eliminated it... there are historically warming periods before ice ages, as well. Sun cycles play a role in climate change, too. The effect we actually are having could be almost insignificant, or it could be very significant!

Regardless, one thing is for certain: the climate is changing, and will change, regardless of what we're doing. It needs to be accepted, and we need to adapt as we have done for millenia. Destroying our economies is the wrong approach.

[libertea]

Yes, to some slight degree... BUT NOT BY MUCH! And not enough to hold off an Ice Age or two since then.

re OP: Human are NOT causing Global Warming either. It's all controlled by the Sun.

They will want to enact a Sunlight Tax next.

not really related, but it reminds me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T52w6dFM3T4

or

http://www.cis.org.au/Policy/winter01/polwin01-11.pdf

[mczerone]

Guys, this is like claiming there's no scientific proof that cigarettes cause cancer.

Yes, we are causing climate change. Its inescapable - there is going to be SOME SORT OF EFFECT on the climate when we introduce greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.

This is the thing: Its hard to say how MUCH we're contributing to the climate change. We do know that the Earth is way overdue for an ice age, and we may have simply delayed that a bit, or we may have completely eliminated it... there are historically warming periods before ice ages, as well. Sun cycles play a role in climate change, too. The effect we actually are having could be almost insignificant, or it could be very significant!

Regardless, one thing is for certain: the climate is changing, and will change, regardless of what we're doing. It needs to be accepted, and we need to adapt as we have done for millenia. Destroying our economies is the wrong approach.

Very nice, rational post.

One thing to add: even IF we are causing climate change (perhaps, even if it IS changing at all, or on it's own), what can ANY government (local, state, federative, or global) actually do about it?

Governments are vastly overestimating their Power, and underestimating nature.

The best, and indeed the only solution that is realistic, is to make sure that you are living your own life in a sustainable way, and be prepared to either weather the storm or migrate. If the people wish their governments to force this behavior on others it becomes unethical. If the government (which, if not a grassroots effort, is by definition the "ruling elite") wishes to force this behavior on its people (or "subjects", "beasts", "proletariat", etc.), it becomes tyranny.

Tyranny for what some think may be a good idea, but tyranny nonetheless. If it was such a good, prosperous, sustaining, profitable option, people would be able to be convinced and trained voluntarily to do the "right" thing.

[awake]

All I can see is Tyranny cloaked in 'save the world environmental fascists' on the horizon ... Central planning on a new scale - what can be made what can't be made, what you can use what you can't... etc.

[anaconda]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=great+global+warming+swindle&emb=0&aq=f#

[awake]

I am currently reading Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.

The whole global warming movement walks, talks, smells, and is labeled a duck. So I am going to take the incredibly small leap to call it what it is - furthered socialistic planning through fear and promised utopia.

[ihsv]

I am currently reading Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.

The whole global warming movement walk, talks, smells, and is labeled a duck. So I am going to take the incredibly small leap to call it what it is - furthered socialistic planning through fear and promised utopia.

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[Brian4Liberty]

I am currently reading Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.

The whole global warming movement walks, talks, smells, and is labeled a duck. So I am going to take the incredibly small leap to call it what it is - furthered socialistic planning through fear and promised utopia.

Me too. Been carrying it around for two weeks trying to get a chance to reread it...

I see us as a bunch of yeast in a sealed bottle of fruit juice. We all know what will happen. Luckily our planet is more flexible and diverse than a sealed bottle, but the exponential population increase will be followed by the inevitable bubble pop.