Full Page Ad in the Chicago Tribune about Obama's Birth Certificate

[LiveToWin]

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/01/obama-birth-certificate-rears-its-ugly-head-again/



Here is the Ad - http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/ChicagoTribune-ObamaLtr-Nov-2008.pdf


"Congress would be unable to remove you, a usurper , from the Office
of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos
including a potential for armed conflicts within the General
Government or among the States and the People to effect the
removal of such a usurper."

[Truth Warrior]

:cool: :)

Oh, that'll go over REAL BIG in Chicago.<IMHO> :D < LMAO! >

[bojo68]

I'll bet the MSM doesn't even mention it too. Ya know they're purposely burrying something when it's in the paper and not on TV, many of the morning news shows simply parrot the paper.

[fr33domfightr]

I sent an email to CNN over a month ago, to ask them to look into this. So far, nothing. Obama should show his records to at least someone in authority (Judge or U.S. Senate??) to verify his "natural born" status.


FF

[UtahApocalypse]

The plot does indeed thicken. How long can this issue be swept under the rug?

[ShowMeLiberty]

The plot does indeed thicken. How long can this issue be swept under the rug?

Seems to me this is at a point where any reasonable person has to at least ask one question - if he is a natural born citizen and there is nothing to hide, why doesn't he just show the documents instead of spending millions to fight all these legal challenges?

[Elwar]

Obama's citizenship will be to the Republicans what George Bush's 2000 vote recount is to the Democrats.

You can scream about it until the cows come home...the cows won't be coming home.

[A. Havnes]

It's going take more than an ad here and there and a few emails to new anchors to drag this thing out of the dark. I think a demonstration is in order.

[Truth Warrior]

Seems to me this is at a point where any reasonable person has to at least ask one question - if he is a natural born citizen and there is nothing to hide, why doesn't he just show the documents instead of spending millions to fight all these legal challenges? They're just "stone walling" and counting on the sheeple's microsecond attention span. ;) :p :(

[Agent CSL]

Really. They are just fucking with us.

[fr33domfightr]

They're just "stone walling" and counting on the sheeple's microsecond attention span. ;) :p :(


I think people believe their representatives will do the right thing, without their need to prod them. After all, they were voted into office to take care of business.


FF

[Truth Warrior]

I think people believe their representatives will do the right thing, without their need to prod them. After all, they were voted into office to take care of business.


FF

"The road to HELL is paved with the most 'optimistic' of good intentions, gone bad." ;)

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- Benjamin Franklin

[constituent]

uhhhh.... he's got a "mandate," remember?


which in a weird way reminds me, i came up with an idea the other day to draft a bill that would insert an "r" between the "f" and the first "e" in all instances of "federal" found in the federal reserve act, just to f* w/ 'em (to borrow an expression from Agent CSL).

frederal reserve.... tee hee hee

[mport1]

Nice, more money wasted that could have been used to advance liberty.

[constituent]

Nice, more money wasted that could have been used to advance liberty.

reckon it's theirs to waste.

frankly, i don't see anyone "advancing liberty" these days, particularly not amongst the "libertarian" circle(jerks).

personally, i always like seeing a nice shot over the bow.

[dannno]

The comments at the bottom are pissing me off.

[Truth Warrior]

The comments at the bottom are pissing me off. :eek: :D

[LiveToWin]

Nice, more money wasted that could have been used to advance liberty.

If Obama is actually not a nautral born citizen, (Im not saying either way, Im waiting to see how this unfolds) and is not able to become president; then the money was spent defending the Constitution. Not a waste in my eyes.

[angelatc]

Did you guys see the Obama Draft Registration saga? It's got just as many questions. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html

[Zera]

Good job dipshits, now they all think and know that it was Ron Paul supporters who want this and hate us as well. You know that hole you kept digging yourself in? It's caved in. This movement is over.

[ShowMeLiberty]

Good job dipshits, now they all think and know that it was Ron Paul supporters who want this and hate us as well. You know that hole you kept digging yourself in? It's caved in. This movement is over.

Fail.

I've never seen you post anything that doesn't look suspiciously like what a liberal troll would post. What's up with that?

[JoshLowry]

Good job dipshits, now they all think and know that it was Ron Paul supporters who want this and hate us as well. You know that hole you kept digging yourself in? It's caved in. This movement is over.

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/9286/nnjlrb1.png

Please don't insult members.

Read the forum guidelines.

[Zera]

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/9286/nnjlrb1.png

Please don't insult members.

Read the forum guidelines.

I'll admit that that was a fail on my part, but it goes to show how quick people jump to conclusions.

ShowMeLiberty, there is no fail in that post at all. A brief look at a sample of the many comments on that page confirms the content of my post.

[Danke]

I'll admit that that was a fail on my part, but it goes to show how quick people jump to conclusions.

ShowMeLiberty, there is no fail in that post at all. A brief look at a sample of the many comments on that page confirms the content of my post.

We The People isn't about Ron Paul. It has been around for quite a while. They are liberty minded/constitutional organization, so more than likely they have many Ron Paul supporters. But that doesn't have anything to do with taking out this ad.

[Zera]

We The People isn't about Ron Paul. It has been around for quite a while. They are liberty minded/constitutional organization, so more than likely they have many Ron Paul supporters. But that doesn't have anything to do with taking out this ad.

But as I said, if you look at just a few comments, you'll see people are associating Ron Paul and his supporters as being behind this. If you don't believe me, just simply look. And because of that, they think we are idiots and freaking crazy, and again, you can see this in the comments.

[brandon]

Good job dipshits, now they all think and know that it was Ron Paul supporters who want this and hate us as well. You know that hole you kept digging yourself in? It's caved in. This movement is over.


I'll admit that that was a fail on my part, but it goes to show how quick people jump to conclusions.

ShowMeLiberty, there is no fail in that post at all. A brief look at a sample of the many comments on that page confirms the content of my post.


But as I said, if you look at just a few comments, you'll see people are associating Ron Paul and his supporters as being behind this. If you don't believe me, just simply look. And because of that, they think we are idiots and freaking crazy, and again, you can see this in the comments.

http://blogs.nitobi.com/alexei/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/shipment_of_fail.jpg

[Zera]

[IMG]http://blogs.nitobi.com/alexei/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/shipment_of_fail.jpg[IMG]

You can ignore if you want, the fact remains there.

[Gin]

This issue is alot bigger than most think... It's all over the net... go to www.facebook.com/foxnews there is alot of discussion here..

Right now everyone is waiting for the US Supreme Court on Friday. A petition will go to conference this Friday. If only 4 Justices agree to hear the case then it will go to arguments....

There will be a rally in front of the Supreme Court at 8 am on Friday.... No signs, etc.. just to show our presence on this most important issue...

Go to these websites for more in depth info....

This is the case that is in conference on Friday
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org/

http://www.faith2action.org/NewsStory.cfm?Story_ID=2806

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

[brandon]

This issue is alot bigger than most think... It's all over the net... go to www.facebook.com/foxnews there is alot of discussion here..

Right now everyone is waiting for the US Supreme Court on Friday. A petition will go to conference this Friday. If only 4 Justices agree to hear the case then it will go to arguments....

There will be a rally in front of the Supreme Court at 8 am on Friday.... No signs, etc.. just to show our presence on this most important issue...

Go to these websites for more in depth info....

This is the case that is in conference on Friday
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org/

http://www.faith2action.org/NewsStory.cfm?Story_ID=2806

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

Wow, this is getting much bigger then I thought. I really hope this is resolved in some manner, and not just swept under the carpet. Thanks for the links.

[Gin]

I figured you all had already picked up on it... yes, this is getting really huge.. History in the making... it's a fight to save the Constitution...

Leo D. is talking about it right now at http://www.plainsradio.com

[tropicangela]

Opposition.


The people over at the "We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education Inc." must have money to burn.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1308626,CST-NWS-mitch02.article

[pepperpete1]

[QUOTE=tropicangela;1852138]Opposition.



We The People Foundation does not have money to burn. They have been taking donations for months to get that ad published. I am so happy to see that they made their goal.

We can write to our individual electoral college members and let them know that we do not feel that Obama has proven his citizenship and they must not vote for him. Send a copy of the ad if you do not feel up to the task of arguing the points.

[Danke]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1308626,CST-NWS-mitch02.article

To author of article, email sent.

marym@suntimes.com

[fr33domfightr]

Look on the bright side. All future presidential candidates will have to prove their citizenship status to run for public office, and the Constitution will either prove to be relevant or trampled on by the Supreme Court. Either way, we'll learn how much our government believes in the Constitution.


FF

[ClayTrainor]

Obama could shut a lot of people up by just presenting the dam thing already. His silence is what makes me distrust him, the medias silence is pretty astonishing too.

They want to supress this until they no longer can. If SCOTUS throws this case out, it'll be like this never happened.

[RickyJ]

It's going take more than an ad here and there and a few emails to new anchors to drag this thing out of the dark. I think a demonstration is in order.

Wherever Obama goes someone needs to ask him why he won't show is his birth certificate. That should be the first question any reporter asks him from now on.

[RickyJ]

Good job dipshits, now they all think and know that it was Ron Paul supporters who want this and hate us as well. You know that hole you kept digging yourself in? It's caved in. This movement is over.

I hope they know Ron Paul supporters want this. It's not just Ron Paul supporters, it's lovers of liberty everywhere who want this. This isn't DU. We defend the Constitution here.

[Jaykzo]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

There is NO PROOF that the birth certficate that Barack Obama has released publicly is a false document.

This crap is ridiculous.

[sidster]

Obama could shut a lot of people up by just presenting the dam thing already. His silence is what makes me distrust him, the medias silence is pretty astonishing too.

They want to supress this until they no longer can. If SCOTUS throws this case out, it'll be like this never happened.

I don't doubt that the SCOUTS would ignore the case.

Here is what I think though. I wouldn't be surprised that Obama
is in fact born in Hawaii. I think after all this BS, if he is forced to
release his Certificate of Live Birth, it'll show a birth place of HI.

I think if it was that easy to bump him as not qualified the Clintons
would've done it already. I'll grant you that the GOP is too dumb
to have looked into this, but the Clintons wouldn't have missed it.

What I do believe might be the real smoking gun, is his Columbia
Univ school records, which, AFAIK, he won't release either! It
seems that he attended under his stepfather's last name (Barry
Soetoro), and as a foreign student.

If this is true, then it shows as an adult Obama renounced his
US citizenship, which disqualifies him for office of Presidency
of the United States.

I'm a bit disappointed WTP aren't asking for Obama's school
records at the same time. But maybe, one step at a time.

[sidster]

There is NO PROOF that the birth certficate that Barack Obama has released publicly is a false document.

This crap is ridiculous.

He has NOT released his birth certificate. He has release a
Certification of Live Birth. There is a difference between the
two documents.

[hotbrownsauce]

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/electoral-college-facts-obama-not-eligible-electors-must-vote-per-us-constitution-faithless-electors-federal-election-laws-state-laws-elector-pledges-states-and-electors-must-uphold-us-constitu/

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=170871

[Truth Warrior]

The FIRST lawsuit on this issue, was filed by a Democrat and Hillary supporter. :rolleyes: Something or other about the CONSTITUTION. :eek:

Just so ya know. :p

[Truth Warrior]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

There is NO PROOF that the birth certficate that Barack Obama has released publicly is a false document.

This crap is ridiculous. Explain your point of view to his present at his birth eye witness grandmother in Kenya, and to the Kenyan ambassador. :rolleyes: That would make the Hawaiian COLB merely a cover up AND a lie. BTW, neither of these types of actions are unprecedented for politicians.

Get a clue. :p

[Pete]

Explain your point of view to his present at his birth eye witness grandmother in Kenya, and to the Kenyan ambassador. :rolleyes: That would make the Hawaiian COLB merely a cover up AND a lie. BTW, neither of these types of actions are unprecedented for politicians.

Get a clue. :p

The fact that Obama's Indonesian-born sister Maya has an identical COLB is enough to make me wonder about Hawaii's insistence that the document is 'legitimate'. They never came out and said that he was actually born in Hawaii. Even if he were, other problems are:

His African father would have given him dual citizenship, NOT the definition of a 'natural born citizen'. I'm surprised that this point is not often discussed.
He apparently acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian and moved there.

I suspect that Obama is a naturalized citizen, and that is why he and Maya have the COLBs.

This whole mess stinks like a coverup, including MSM complicity. Obama could clear the whole thing up with a $12 document, so why does he run the legal gamut, reportedly at a cost of $500k?

Those who thought GWB was a secretive President and looked for relief from Obama, look out!

[Truth Warrior]

The fact that Obama's Indonesian-born sister Maya has an identical COLB is enough to make me wonder about Hawaii's insistence that the document is 'legitimate'. They never came out and said that he was actually born in Hawaii. Even if he were, other problems are:

His African father would have given him dual citizenship, NOT the definition of a 'natural born citizen'. I'm surprised that this point is not often discussed.
He apparently acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian and moved there.
I suspect that Obama is a naturalized citizen, and that is why he and Maya have the COLBs.

This whole mess stinks like a coverup, including MSM complicity. Obama could clear the whole thing up with a $12 document, so why does he run the legal gamut, reportedly at a cost of $500k?

Those who thought GWB was a secretive President and looked for relief from Obama, look out! Agreed! ;)

:)

[Gin]

Here is a speech that Justice Thomas did not too long ago on the role of government... very interesting and worth the time to listen..

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=281823-1&showVid=true

Here is a time line on Obama from 1961 to the present day.... http://colony14.net/id41.html

Worldnet Daily has an effort to send as many letters as possible to the Justices concerning this. Already over 35,000 letters are to be sent

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82449

There was also discussion about a rally in front of the supreme court at 8 am on Friday to simply show our presence. It is suggested to not bring signs, bullhorns or chanting, just be there and talk about the issue....

Russian News put this out today.... http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-2/
Concerning the fact that Obama's grandmother never got a funeral...or he was putting her on ice for 2 months... as there has been no mention since her supposed death Nov. 3rd.

Lots of info out there...and for the record, this isn't about whether or not Obama is a Citizen.. it is about the fact he had a Dual Citizenship at birth at the very least and can not hold the office of President according to the Constitution....

He is dodging all court requests to show is original, vault copy Birth Certificate...spending something like $800,000 in attorney fees to do so. Makes one really wonder what he is hiding.....

[Jaykzo]

Explain your point of view to his present at his birth eye witness grandmother in Kenya, and to the Kenyan ambassador. :rolleyes: That would make the Hawaiian COLB merely a cover up AND a lie. BTW, neither of these types of actions are unprecedented for politicians.

Get a clue. :p

Please provide me with links to any credible news sources that have reported what you are saying.

[brandon]

Please provide me with links to any credible news sources that have reported what you are saying.

Links to the audio of both of these are not that hard to find. Just do a search.

[Gin]

Interesting development

Honolulu Hospitals have NO RECORDS of admission for OBAMA's MOTHER

http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

[Truth Warrior]

Please provide me with links to any credible news sources that have reported what you are saying. "Credible" news is a toughie. What the MSM? < LMAO > So whatever I post you'll just deny it. I know your type. :rolleyes: If you bought the COLB, you really SHOULD buy just about anything.<IMHO>

DYODR. :p

[Danke]

Has this been debunked?

http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf

[Truth Warrior]

Has this been debunked?

http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf Define debunked. Do you merely mean denied? There's a difference.

[RickyJ]

Has this been debunked?

http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf

What's there to debunk? Anyone can list anything in the newspaper at any time. It hardly means Obama was born in Hawaii, or even that he was born at all. :D

[RickyJ]

Interesting development

Honolulu Hospitals have NO RECORDS of admission for OBAMA's MOTHER

http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

Which also means nothing. It is not against the law to have your kid at home.

[Truth Warrior]

Which also means nothing. It is not against the law to have your kid at home. Or in Kenya. :D

[Gin]

Please provide me with links to any credible news sources that have reported what you are saying.

Kenyan Ambassador admits Obama born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14

Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4FqVRWgrNw

Obama Grandmother audio: Barack Born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

Affidavit and Tape-Proof Obama Born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OirvxsUsxb0


Question about Obama's birth certificate avoided
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7sXEt4zQ8


They All Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8b_usFyLHQ

The Greatest American Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spPrzvYWRI

Michelle Obama Rags the API
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exZOEcVF-SY

[Gin]

Has this been debunked?

http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf

Anybody can put a birth announcement in the paper. You don't need to prove it

[Gin]

Which also means nothing. It is not against the law to have your kid at home.

you are right. But it is against Constitutional Law to have a dual citizenship and be president... which is the point here... Obama can hold office as a Senator only being a Citizen, but to be prez.. you Must be born on US Soil, to US Citizen Parents who are at least 19.

If this case were bunk, why on earth is the Highest Court in the Land having a Conference on it???? It's not like they have all the time in the world and not a million cases to consider

[Pete]

Kenyan Ambassador admits Obama born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14

Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4FqVRWgrNw

Obama Grandmother audio: Barack Born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

Affidavit and Tape-Proof Obama Born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OirvxsUsxb0


Question about Obama's birth certificate avoided
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7sXEt4zQ8


They All Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8b_usFyLHQ

The Greatest American Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spPrzvYWRI

Michelle Obama Rags the API
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exZOEcVF-SY

Nice list!

Liked this comment on one of the Tubes, saving it here for future reference:

Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

[RickyJ]

you are right. But it is against Constitutional Law to have a dual citizenship and be president... which is the point here... Obama can hold office as a Senator only being a Citizen, but to be prez.. you Must be born on US Soil, to US Citizen Parents who are at least 19.

If this case were bunk, why on earth is the Highest Court in the Land having a Conference on it???? It's not like they have all the time in the world and not a million cases to consider


Hehehe, I didn't say it was bunk. I just said that not being born in a Hawaiian hospital does not prove he was not born in Hawaii by itself.

I firmly believe he was born in Kenya or else he would just produce his original birth certificate rather than paying law firms to fight it.

[Danke]

Anybody can put a birth announcement in the paper. You don't need to prove it

Yes I know. But isn't it the least bit odd if they were half way around the world in a third world village giving birth, that they would take out an ad in Hawaii, listing a Hawaiian address?

[libertarian4321]

Anybody can put a birth announcement in the paper. You don't need to prove it

Yeah, his parents were trying to protect his viability for the Presidency in a time when black folks couldn't even eat in the same restaurants as white people.

lol.

[libertarian4321]

Yes I know. But isn't it the least bit odd if they were half way around the world in a third world village giving birth, that they would take out an ad in Hawaii, listing a Hawaiian address?

Exactly- I find it a bit hard to believe that Obama's parents would have rushed home, put an ad in the paper, and pretended the birth was in the USA if he wasn't.

Its a bit unlikely that they were anticipating his Presidential ambitions, given that in 1961, blacks were still getting the "fire hose and dogs" treatment.

[libertarian4321]

On a serious note, I wish these knuckleheads at "we the people" had created a separate website for this article.

Now, people who read the newspaper ad will come to the site, which is covered with pro Ron Paul stuff, and will immediately associate Ron Paul, his followers, and the CFL with this "birth certificate" crap.

We are already being dismissed as fringe nuts, this will just reinforce that thought in the minds of most people.

Not smart for us to be associated with this stuff- leave it to the right wing nut sites.

[sidster]

Why so much attention on his birth certificate?? He very well could
have been born in Hawaii.

As I mentioned earlier (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=170758&page=4#post1852332), there is a much tighter case against his
qualification for the office of President based on his University
records (which he won't release).

[Ex Post Facto]

I think it's a valid legal question and should easily be solved by producing the document in full. The question is IF THIS IS TRUE what should be done about it. Obama can't be held responsible. Certainly, nobody can even remember the day they were born let alone where that was located. Produce the document, it's a specific requirement of the constitution and the question is floating out in the world, it can be solved with a phone call.

About Ron Paul people being associated with this...they aren't really. This is a constitutional question that SCOTUS probably needs to address after December 15th. SCOTUS should immediately take up this issue to verify Obama's birth certificate. They are a check and balance on this issue. The question may come then who wins if Obama is disqualified? Does McCain assume office or does Bush get another term? Or maybe Biden becomes President. Oh doesn't that work out well for the NWO.

[Danke]

On a serious note, I wish these knuckleheads at "we the people" had created a separate website for this article.

Now, people who read the newspaper ad will come to the site, which is covered with pro Ron Paul stuff, and will immediately associate Ron Paul, his followers, and the CFL with this "birth certificate" crap.

We are already being dismissed as fringe nuts, this will just reinforce that thought in the minds of most people.

Not smart for us to be associated with this stuff- leave it to the right wing nut sites.

I was a automatic monthly donor to WTP. I just canceled. They were a great liberty organization, but spending money on this (my money) I feel it can't support them any longer.

[libertarian4321]

I was a automatic monthly donor to WTP. I just canceled. They were a great liberty organization, but spending money on this (my money) I feel it can't support them any longer.

It doesn't make sense to waste money on this stuff- even if you for some reason believe there is something to the story.

There are plenty of right wing neocon nuts going on and on about it- let them blow their money tilting at windmills. We should spend our money more intelligently.

[BeFranklin]

I don't doubt that the SCOUTS would ignore the case.

Here is what I think though. I wouldn't be surprised that Obama
is in fact born in Hawaii. I think after all this BS, if he is forced to
release his Certificate of Live Birth, it'll show a birth place of HI.

I think if it was that easy to bump him as not qualified the Clintons
would've done it already. I'll grant you that the GOP is too dumb
to have looked into this, but the Clintons wouldn't have missed it.

What I do believe might be the real smoking gun, is his Columbia
Univ school records, which, AFAIK, he won't release either! It
seems that he attended under his stepfather's last name (Barry
Soetoro), and as a foreign student.

If this is true, then it shows as an adult Obama renounced his
US citizenship, which disqualifies him for office of Presidency
of the United States.

I'm a bit disappointed WTP aren't asking for Obama's school
records at the same time. But maybe, one step at a time.

A classic tactic from the 90s during the Clinton administration seems to have been to steer discussion into certain false alleys to discredit the real problems right under everyones nose. Then Obama releases his real birth place, and it discredits the actual argument. To do this, you need agents on the other side "really working for you" and getting it wrong to steer the conversation. Most people never do any research themselves, and fall for this easily. All it takes is money. The only thing people have going for themselves is time, but they always follow the money powers. Lazy.

Obama isn't a citizen because he was a natural born British citizen at birth. That he was a natural born British citizen at birth isn't even secret, its right out in the open. You can't be a natural born citizen of two countries at once. Its the whole meaning of the word.

The rest of this is a distraction to ignore whats right out there.

[FindLiberty]

A classic tactic from the 90s during the Clinton administration seems to have been to steer discussion into certain false alleys to discredit the real problems right under everyones nose. Then Obama releases his real birth place, and it discredits the actual argument. To do this, you need agents on the other side "really working for you" and getting it wrong to steer the conversation. Most people never do any research themselves, and fall for this easily. All it takes is money. The only thing people have going for themselves is time, but they always follow the money powers. Lazy.

Obama isn't a citizen because he was a natural born British citizen at birth. That he was a natural born British citizen at birth isn't even secret, its right out in the open. You can't be a natural born citizen of two countries at once. Its the whole meaning of the word.

The rest of this is a distraction to ignore whats right out there.

Ah yes, I remember Monica -vs- Chinagate; it's a SnowJob not a BJ! Nothing to see here. Move along citizen...

Maybe this ad is also intended to soften Chicago up for the Electoral College vote on 12-15-08 that could elect Ron Paul to become our next POTUS.

[BeFranklin]

Ah yes, I remember Monica -vs- Chinagate; it's a SnowJob not a BJ! Nothing to see here. Move along citizen...

Maybe this ad is also intended to soften Chicago up for the Electoral College vote on 12-15-08 that could elect Ron Paul to become our next POTUS.

Shame of it is, "natural born citizen" is just the Americanized version of "natural born subject" from English law, and the legal principles from both countries come from the exact same roots. And Obama was a British citizen at birth, and he doesn't dispute it.

Maybe if Obama was born in *any* other country, you might be able to try to argue, but to be a natural born citizen under British law because of those legal principles, well established and in Blackstone , means for the very same reason you aren't a natural born citizen here, because America was using the same legal definitions when the constitution was adopted. Obama isn't a natural born American citizen, he is a natural born British citizen.

[Elle]

This is now on the front page of Google News. I am surprised it made it to Google News.

[sidster]

A classic tactic from the 90s during the Clinton administration seems to have been to steer discussion into certain false alleys to discredit the real problems right under everyones nose. Then Obama releases his real birth place, and it discredits the actual argument. To do this, you need agents on the other side "really working for you" and getting it wrong to steer the conversation. Most people never do any research themselves, and fall for this easily. All it takes is money. The only thing people have going for themselves is time, but they always follow the money powers. Lazy.

Obama isn't a citizen because he was a natural born British citizen at birth. That he was a natural born British citizen at birth isn't even secret, its right out in the open. You can't be a natural born citizen of two countries at once. Its the whole meaning of the word.

The rest of this is a distraction to ignore whats right out there.

You confused me... not sure I followed you point and I read your
reply two times.



Shame of it is, "natural born citizen" is just the Americanized version of "natural born subject" from English law, and the legal principles from both countries come from the exact same roots. And Obama was a British citizen at birth, and he doesn't dispute it.

Maybe if Obama was born in *any* other country, you might be able to try to argue, but to be a natural born citizen under British law because of those legal principles, well established and in Blackstone , means for the very same reason you aren't a natural born citizen here, because America was using the same legal definitions when the constitution was adopted. Obama isn't a natural born American citizen, he is a natural born British citizen.

From what I've read and heard, the only reason it is claimed
that he is a British subject is if he was born in Kenya. Is this
your stance as well?

I'm willing to bet that Obama was actually born in Hawaii.

[BeFranklin]

You confused me... not sure I followed you point and I read your
reply two times.




From what I've read and heard, the only reason it is claimed
that he is a British subject is if he was born in Kenya. Is this
your stance as well?

No, Obama claimed British citizenship at birth because his father is British. Also, its not being claimed "he should be", its a documented fact that he had British citizenship at birth. He may also have been born in Kenya, but that would just give two reasons for his British citizenship, not one.

Under the definition of natural born from common law (called natural born subject over there, and natural born citizen here because they had kings, and we were a republic), you are natural born if you are citizen at birth of that country and subject to its laws alone; which occurs if you are born in the country, *or* if your father is a citizen.

Natural born is a more inclusive definition of citizenship then the 14th amendment, and can involve both where you are born and parentage. If you are born outside the country and/or there is a dispute over which citizenship the child should have, the citizenship of the father comes to the forefront.

In other words, Obama is a British citizen by using the natural born interpretation over in that country, and he was considered a British citizen because his father was. That is the same natural born principle written in the US constitution, and by the same virtue, Obama is not a natural born citizen here because his father wasn't an America.

Its the same common law principle in both places, and that principle doesn't admit to a citizen being natural born in two different countries because there is no claim to being subject to one of them. Obama was a natural born citizen of Britian. He may also have been *a* citizen here, but he wasn't a natural born citizen. Simply being a citizen does not meet the presidential requirements.

Its Obama's British citizenship at birth that destroys his eligibility. His birth certificate doesn't matter, just that that was his citizenship which is already documented.

[BeFranklin]

You confused me... not sure I followed you point and I read your
reply two times.


From what I've read and heard, the only reason it is claimed
that he is a British subject is if he was born in Kenya. Is this
your stance as well?


Or to try to make it really simple without explanation.

Obama was a citizen of Britain because of their natural born laws. (Not claiming it should be so, its a documented fact Obama was a British citizen at birth). Those British natural born laws are rooted in the same laws we had when the Constitution was written, and they don't allow being natural born in two countries. Obama being a natural born british citizen proves he isn't an American one.

[BeFranklin]

FYI


Washington Times

The Supreme Court plans to decide Friday whether to hear a case that could determine whether President-elect Barack Obama ever becomes the nation's full-fledged president.

The Supreme Court judges' conference today will consider the lawsuit filed by New Jersey attorney Leo Donofrio. He contends Mr. Obama is not a "natural born citizen," as the U.S. Constitution requires.

Mr. Donofrio concedes Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii. He argues, however, that Mr. Obama was a British citizen due to his father's British citizenship.

The judges' conference today resulted from more than a dozen lawsuits challenging Mr. Obama's right to be president based on his citizenship at birth.

Mr. Donofrio originally sued New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells seeking a court order to stop the Nov. 4 presidential election. That was denied.

At least four of the Supreme Court's nine judges must approve before the case is heard. It would mark the first time in American history the questionable citizenship of a winning presidential candidate would go before the Supreme Court.

[LiveToWin]

What time is the conference suppose to be? I wonder if it will be on any MSM channels. If it gets the 4-9, this will get quite intresting.

[pauletteNV]

to meet in private, in chambers...no TV to the best of my knowledge. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall? (I mean just this once ;) )

[pauletteNV]

Yes I know. But isn't it the least bit odd if they were half way around the world in a third world village giving birth, that they would take out an ad in Hawaii, listing a Hawaiian address?

report that the address given was Obama's grandparents...easily done and his mother was very interested in having US citizenship for her children.

[LiveToWin]

to meet in private, in chambers...no TV to the best of my knowledge. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall? (I mean just this once ;) )

I see, but is the time that this will be taking place public? Im sure if it gets 4 of 9 it will be all over the news.

[anaconda]

Tomorrow, Dec. 5th, the SCOTUS reviews the case in New Jersey. Let's see if they do their job, or if they're on the take.

[LiveToWin]

If they are meeting tommorow because of this that already means it is legit enough for them to consider. I think it will definitly get 1 or 2 votes, if it gets 4... well we will just have to wait and see; will be Very intresting to see what happens if it does.

Actually, what do you guys think would happen if they say Obama can not be president? Does that make McCain president? Are Obama supporters gonna riot?

[fr33domfightr]

If they are meeting tommorow because of this that already means it is legit enough for them to consider. I think it will definitly get 1 or 2 votes, if it gets 4... well we will just have to wait and see; will be Very intresting to see what happens if it does.

Actually, what do you guys think would happen if they say Obama can not be president? Does that make McCain president? Are Obama supporters gonna riot?


If the SCOTUS refuses to hear the case, then what, it just disappears right? If so, I don't think anyone can do anything about it. It will just be this doubt that hangs over Obama.

McCain can't be president because he didn't get the vote total to win. He's on the lawsuit too.

If B.O. couldn't be president, after the rioting was finished, a new election could be performed to again elect a president. I'd expect all political parties to hastily nominate someone. Hillary would probably be the Dems choice.

If this couldn't be performed quickly, I think the Speaker Of The House (Nancy Pelosi) would take over on Jan. 20th, until the new election could be completed. Biden would continue to be the VP. Hmmm, would that work?? What if Ron Paul won, could there be a mixed party administration?? I think the Dems would be so pissed, Hillary would get it.

You can always tell who's the Obama supporter in your office, just mention this lawsuit and they'll give you an earful. They're very easy to spot. It's the emotional response that's the clue. They almost take it personally, and I believe they feel that by questioning their candidate, you're questioning their judgement. They can't believe people would try and drag up some BS stuff like this that isn't true, in their mind. To them, Obama is on this pedestal so high, he's almost Godlike. You can't speak anything bad about him without repercussions. They start getting hostile, so yes, I do expect some rioting. The SCOTUS may feel this too, so that could be one of the reasons they decide NOT to hear the case, in an attempt to keep the peace.


FF

[sidster]

*IF* the case is heard, and *IF* it is found that Obama isn't eligible for
the office of Presidency, I would *really* question why the Clintons missed
this during the primaries.

It simply doesn't make sense to me.

[John of Des Moines]

*IF* the case is heard, and *IF* it is found that Obama isn't eligible for
the office of Presidency, I would *really* question why the Clintons missed
this during the primaries.

It simply doesn't make sense to me.

The guy Berg is a Hillery man. And as for the Clintons missing it - if tptb told you not to make an issue out of BHO bc would you pursue it?

[LiveToWin]

Today is the day, lets see what happens.

[LiveToWin]

Did it happen yet?

[hillertexas]

http://www.americasright.com/


Nine Justices, Four Needed, One Conference
By the end of today, we should know whether Leo Donofrio's case will be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court. As I mentioned before, the odds aren't good. Still, as soon as I hear anything from my sources in the Court and elsewhere, you'll know here in this place -- regardless of whether or not I'm limited to my Blackberry at the time.

Also, I was planning on running a question-and-answer piece with Philip Berg, but as it turns out I think it will turn out better if we wait for a few days. Thank you for understanding.

In the meantime, keep your fingers crossed that the right thing is done for our Constitution.

[itshappening]

they will wash their hands of it.....

[HOLLYWOOD]

MSM covering this?

Where's the good ole folks @ NeoVision aka FOX NEWS?

You figure they would... oh way, someone else is in power, don;t want to piss them off... could lose tax breaks... or receive an IRS audit... yotta yotta

[phoenixrising]

Seems to me this is at a point where any reasonable person has to at least ask one question - if he is a natural born citizen and there is nothing to hide, why doesn't he just show the documents instead of spending millions to fight all these legal challenges?


actually leo's case is a bit different than what is denoted above...due to barky's own admission on his website of kenya being under british rule....where his father was born....leo's case therefore has nothing to do w/barky handing over his bc.

visit leo's blog for a full discource on what this is about as it is being distorted in many other areas.

here is a quote from today:



‘When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…’ “

Read that last line again.
“That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…”
That’s an admission that Great Britain “governed the status” of Barack Obama, Jr. Brack Obama has chosen to highlight this on his own volition.
And this leads to the relevant question:
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?
A natural born citizen’s status should only be governed by the United States. This is the core issue before the Supreme Court of the United States.






leo's blog: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/




also tune into plainsradio.com again tonite for the latest update leo & cort will be on again tonite.

[phoenixrising]

Please provide me with links to any credible news sources that have reported what you are saying.


there is so much real data out there ...you need to do this yourself.

got to leo's blog & read the blog from start to finish http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

....also go to plainsradio.com & listen to all the archived shows that leo & cort have done....

[phoenixrising]

From what I've read and heard, the only reason it is claimed
that he is a British subject is if he was born in Kenya. Is this
your stance as well?

### you are confusing the issue...it doesn't matter if barky was dropped from Mars--his father was born in kenya & to be a natural born citizen it must be to 2 parents who are US citizens & born on US soil.

hence why leo's case also disqualifies mccluk for running as well. the people were scammed...bottom line


I'm willing to bet that Obama was actually born in Hawaii.[/quote]

### doesn't matter


====================
from another poster:

This is a constitutional question that SCOTUS probably needs to address after December 15th. SCOTUS should immediately take up this issue to verify Obama's birth certificate. They are a check and balance on this issue. The question may come then who wins if Obama is disqualified? Does McCain assume office or does Bush get another term? Or maybe Biden becomes President. Oh doesn't that work out well for the NWO.

SCOTUS is in conference w/leo's case **today*** & his case is *not* about the bc...it's about being a natural born citizen.

as far as who wins? see above re: mccluk....& for the record this has never happened b/4 ...there is no precedent. & biden couldn't get it because barky is not yet in office.

[LiveToWin]

CNN - coming up after the comercial about the SCOTUS decision.

[IPSecure]

and...

[torchbearer]

and?

[LiveToWin]

Has not come on yet, and they made it sound like they didnt vote yet.

[LiveToWin]

Comercials again... I think it is next though.

[LiveToWin]

They said we may not know till monday what the SC decision is (to take the case or not).

[kombayn]

Wow, people really don't want a half white-half black president. He's proven over and over again that birth certificate. What's it going to take? One of you to fly there and see for yourselves personally? Even then you still won't believe he was born here. I get it with some of you guys, you don't like Obama or you just don't like the fact that he's black. It's retarded. Let his downfall be his failed policies, not more conspiracy theory crap, which is what this is and has been debunked. You people look silly and to others, racist.

[torchbearer]

Wow, people really don't want a half white-half black president. He's proven over and over again that birth certificate. What's it going to take? One of you to fly there and see for yourselves personally? Even then you still won't believe he was born here. I get it with some of you guys, you don't like Obama or you just don't like the fact that he's black. It's retarded. Let his downfall be his failed policies, not more conspiracy theory crap, which is what this is and has been debunked. You people look silly and to others, racist.

Because I want the law of the land upheld doesn't make me a fucking racist, you fucking dumb ass.
I haven't seen a birth certificate, and obviously, the courts haven't either.
I really don't give a fuck if he become president, because if he doesn't, it will just be another collectivist fuck who will carry out the same agenda,
What i'd like to see is the fucking courts and people finally caring about what the constitution says is law.

[itshappening]

Because I want the law of the land upheld doesn't make me a fucking racist, you fucking dumb ass.
I haven't seen a birth certificate, and obviously, the courts haven't either.
I really don't give a fuck if he become president, because if he doesn't, it will just be another collectivist fuck who will carry out the same agenda,
What i'd like to see is the fucking courts and people finally caring about what the constitution says is law.

well said!

[kombayn]

Because I want the law of the land upheld doesn't make me a fucking racist, you fucking dumb ass.
I haven't seen a birth certificate, and obviously, the courts haven't either.
I really don't give a fuck if he become president, because if he doesn't, it will just be another collectivist fuck who will carry out the same agenda,
What i'd like to see is the fucking courts and people finally caring about what the constitution says is law.

It's been proving. You can find multiple articles on it and now they're mocking people because it's still being pushed. So we can get an expert to analyze the document, confirm it's real and then you still won't believe it (I hope you would, but I'm not sure). I didn't call you a racist, I said people will perceive you as one. I don't know what more people need, there have been pictures and the proper departments in Hawai'i have confirmed that they have the original document.

Don't get fucking pissy with me because I'm calling bullshit on this whole conspiracy theory. I don't like where the Obama administration is going either, but this non-sense has to stop or no one will take a "Ron Paul Supporter" seriously. They'll line us up with a "racist group" that insisted Obama was not a U.S. citizen and try to bring up 3 different "examples" to try and prove it, which have been disproved because he was born in Hawai'i. He was born here, end of story. He's a natural born citizen.

[torchbearer]

It's been proving. You can find multiple articles on it and now they're mocking people because it's still being pushed. So we can get an expert to analyze the document, confirm it's real and then you still won't believe it (I hope you would, but I'm not sure). I didn't call you a racist, I said people will perceive you as one. I don't know what more people need, there have been pictures and the proper departments in Hawai'i have confirmed that they have the original document.

Don't get fucking pissy with me because I'm calling bullshit on this whole conspiracy theory. I don't like where the Obama administration is going either, but this non-sense has to stop or no one will take a "Ron Paul Supporter" seriously. They'll line us up with a "racist group" that insisted Obama was not a U.S. citizen and try to bring up 3 different "examples" to try and prove it, which have been disproved because he was born in Hawai'i. He was born here, end of story. He's a natural born citizen.

conspiracy theory?
him not producing a real birth certificate is not conspiracy.
Him having questionable origins is not conspiracy.
I was saying the same thing about McCain, and both of his parents were born in america.
The same litmus test applies.... you needed to be a natrually born citizen of one of these united states.
Not a "Statute citizen".

You act like you know the facts... as in, you've seen the evidence first hand. You know it.
And if that is the case, you need to let the Obama people know it so they can put you on the stand to testify to your truth.

[LiveToWin]

They are not going to the SCOTUS to say he was not born in HI, they are saying his father had british citizenship, and that was passed to Obama when he was born, giving him dual citizenship. Having dual citizenship does not make you a natural born citizen.

This case is not Just about Obama either, mind you. He is also saying McCain is not eilgible to hold the office of president either. Please get your facts straight before calling people conspiracy theorists.

This is about the Constitution, Not Obama.

[BeFranklin]

‘When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…’ “

Read that last line again.
“That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…”
That’s an admission that Great Britain “governed the status” of Barack Obama, Jr. Brack Obama has chosen to highlight this on his own volition.
And this leads to the relevant question:
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?
A natural born citizen’s status should only be governed by the United States. This is the core issue before the Supreme Court of the United States.

leo's blog: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

also tune into plainsradio.com again tonite for the latest update leo & cort will be on again tonite.

The 1948 act would only be the most recent of a long line acts that recognized (but did not create) that status. The same principle is talked about in Blackstone on how citizenship is determined at birth.

Its important to recognize that, because the founders were using the same definition of natural born; which continues to be the one used in Britain in the 1948 act, and which continues to be used in the US for presidential elibility. It means it recognizes that Obama is a natural born British citizen. Thats the outcome.

[scandinaviany3]

report that the address given was Obama's grandparents...easily done and his mother was very interested in having US citizenship for her children.

if the address in the newspaper add were of grandparents and not of parents this would make it appear questionable to trust and put much more demand on the certification of live birth, with doctor signature, hospital and and other microfished records

[Pepsi]

bump

[LiveToWin]

Its Monday, so lets see what they did. Cookie goes to the first person to find how they voted.

[Pepsi]

The U.S. Supreme Court today announced it has denied bringing Donofrio v. Wells – one of several cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president – before a full hearing of the Court.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83041

[LiveToWin]

The U.S. Supreme Court today announced it has denied bringing Donofrio v. Wells – one of several cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president – before a full hearing of the Court.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83041

You win the cookie.

Thats too bad. But I suppose if you think positivly about it, it gives us a few more months at least to prepare before the shtf.

[phoenixrising]

:( announced at 10:30 :http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf

stay was denied, yet we are trying to find out if that means the certiorari as well...nothing on leo's blog yet so we don't know what the *opinion* said

[phoenixrising]

just posted by leo:

DONOFRIO APPLICATION DENIED - WROTNOWSKI APPLICATION STILL PENDING (http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/donofrio-application-denied-wrotnowski-application-still-pending/)

Posted in Uncategorized (http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/) on December 8, 2008 by naturalborncitizen My application was denied. The Honorable Court chose not to state why.
Wrotnowksi v. Connecticut Secretary of State is still pending as an emergency application resubmitted to the Honorable Associate Justice Antonin Scalia as of last Tuesday. I worked extensively on that application and it includes a more solid brief and a less treacherous lower Court procedural history.
After six days, I think it’s kind of interesting that Scalia hasn’t either denied it or referred it to the full Court. On an emergency action, six days is a long time for no disposition.
My case may suffered from the NJ Appellate Division Judge having incorrectly characterized my original suit as a “motion for leave to appeal” rather than the “direct appeal” that it actually was. On Dec 21 I filed official Judicial misconduct charges with the NJ Supreme Court and I updated SCOTUS on that by a letter which is part of SCOTUS Docket as of Dec. 22.
On the chance that SCOTUS was looking at both my case and Cort’s case, I will say that Cort’s case does not have the same procedural hang up that mine does. It may be that without a decision on the Judicial misconduct allegation correcting the NJ Appellate Division case file, SCOTUS might have been in the position of not being able to hear my case as it would appear that my case was not before them on the proper procedural grounds.
I did file a direct appeal under the proper NJ Court rules, but the lower Court judge refused to acknowledge that and if his fraudulent docketing was used by SCOTUS they would have a solid procedural basis to throw mine out.
I don’t know if it’s significant that Cort’s case was not denied at the same time as mine. -His case argues the same exact theory - that Obama is not a natural born citizen because he was a British citizen at birth - as I did.
All eyes should now be closely watching US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469, Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz.
(http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a469.htm)
If Cort’s application is also denied then the fat lady can sing. Until then, the same exact issue is before SCOTUS as was in my case. Cort’s application before SCOTUS incorprates all of the arguments and law in mine, but we improved on mine quite a bit in Cort’s as we had more time to prepare it.
I was in a rush to get mine to SCOTUS before election day, which I did do on Nov. 3. But Cort’s case has a much cleaner lower court procedural history.
I’m not trying to play with people’s minds here. SCOTUS has not updated Cort’s Docket and until they do so there can be no closure.

[tangent4ronpaul]

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:

soap,

ballot,

jury,

and ammo.

Please use in that order."

-Ed Howdershelt


Methinks we are teetering on the knifes edge between jury box and an upgrade to ammo box...

Got ammo?

Ohbummmma!

-t

[LiveToWin]

Methinks we are teetering on the knifes edge between jury box and an upgrade to ammo box...

Got ammo?

Ohbummmma!

-t


"There are 4 steps to be taken in the defense of liberty:

Ron Paul,

2008 Election,

SCOTUS,

SHTF.

Please use in that order."

- LiveToWin



http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=190

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yes, it is disgusting the courts are ignoring the people as usual. Here's the thing, they have other issues attached to the case, McCain is on it also. I fear we are stuck with obammy, but I noticed that he is moving center right, and the progressives are lamenting "will we EVER get a real progressive candidate?". I feel their pain, because I wonder the same thing about getting a true conservative candidate. The Third Way is alive and well in Washington. Tones

www.truthwarrior.ning.com

[Andrew Ryan]

They mentioned this going to the supreme court on CNN.

[LiveToWin]

They mentioned this going to the supreme court on CNN.

They said that on friday too, but in the sense that they would vote on taking the case or not. Did they say otherwise?

[eredeath]

char

[LiveToWin]

"...We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury..."
-Declaration of Independence-

When your govenment responds to peaceful protests with riot police, what kind of country are you living in? :eek:

[UtahApocalypse]

"...We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury..."
-Declaration of Independence-

I fear that time has come. All those who are still preaching that we "talk" "retake the GOP" need to see that we no longer live in America.

[libertarian4321]

:( announced at 10:30 :http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf

stay was denied, yet we are trying to find out if that means the certiorari as well...nothing on leo's blog yet so we don't know what the *opinion* said

Gee, I'm shocked...

This was about as predictable as the sun rising, folks.

I'm going to take a huge risk and bet all the similar cases get the same treatment.

[Number19]

This was quite predictable. The Justices were, imo, just plain scared of the consequences if the facts supported Obama's foreign birth. They took the easy way out by sweeping it all under the rug.

Up until now, the Kenyan government has refused to allow any records over there to be released. If, after Obama's inauguration, a Kenyan birth certificate, or other documentation, is found, this will all come back to haunt the SC.

[John of Des Moines]

Yup, the only way the high court will touch this one is if a lower court adversely rules against the one. (Or maybe not, the justices allowing the lower court to catch most of the flack.)

[fr33domfightr]

This was quite predictable. The Justices were, imo, just plain scared of the consequences if the facts supported Obama's foreign birth. They took the easy way out by sweeping it all under the rug.

Up until now, the Kenyan government has refused to allow any records over there to be released. If, after Obama's inauguration, a Kenyan birth certificate, or other documentation, is found, this will all come back to haunt the SC.

This would almost be *sweet*. Show them what jack@sses they are.


FF

[sidster]

PRESS RELEASE: 12.08.08 7:20 pm (http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/wrotnowski-application-referred-to-full-court-by-justice-scalia-distributed-for-conference-on-dec-12-supplemental-brief-to-be-submitted-tomorrow/)



WROTNOWSKI APPLICATION REFERRED TO FULL COURT BY JUSTICE SCALIA - DISTRIBUTED FOR CONFERENCE ON DEC 12 - SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF TO BE SUBMITTED TOMORROW
Posted in Uncategorized on December 8, 2008 by naturalborncitizen
PRESS RELEASE: 12.08.08 7:20 pm

Cort Wrotnowski’s emergency application for a stay and/or injunction as to the Electoral College meeting on Dec. 15 was today referred to the full Court by the Honorable Associate Justice Anotonin Scalia. It has been distributed for Conference of Friday December 12. The official case name is WROTNOWSKI v. BYSIEWICZ, United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469.

The Wrotnowski Supreme Court application was prepared by Leo Donofrio, Esq. and is centered on the same issue from Donofrio’s case which was discussed by the Supreme Court in its conference of December 5 - whether Barack Obama is not eligible to the office of President due to the fact that he was a British citizen at the time of his birth.

Tomorrow, Dec. 9 - Cort Wrotnowski will submit a supplemental brief concerning the newly discovered ineligibility of twenty-first President Chester Arthur due to his having been born as a British subject. This is relevant to the case at hand in that Justice Gray - who wrote the seminal opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Arc - was appointed by Chester Arthur.

The Wong Kim Arc case involves an important historical opinion that SCOTUS justices will certainly consider as to the Obama natural born citizen issue.

The recent discovery calls into question the motivations of both Arthur and Gray since Arthur’s father was a British subject not naturalized at the time of Chester’s birth. In fact, William Arthur was not naturalized until 1843, fourteen years after Chester was born. In the light of historical retrospection, Justice Gray’s decision in Wong Kim Arc seems tailor made to the circumstances of Arthur’s birth.

Chester Arthur was born in 1829. The 14th Amendment wasn’t ratified until 1868, and Wong Kim Arc was decided in 1898. But under United States law in 1829 it’s not clear that Arthur would have even been considered a United States citizen at the time of his birth, let alone a “natural born citizen” eligible to be President. At best, he would have been a dual citizen of Great Britain and the United States.

It was proved earlier this week, by various articles in the Brooklyn Eagle printed circa 1880, and other authorities, that when Arthur was on the campaign trail as Garfield’s running mate he lied many times about his father’s emigration record, his parents’ life in Canada before coming to the United States, and his father’s age. Chester also burned his papers and falsified his birth year. It appears now that he was doing so to conceal the POTUS eligibility issue.

Every other President (who didn’t become eligible under the Article 2, Section 1 grandfather clause) was born to American citizen parents in the United States. The fact that he was a British subject at birth was first reported on Friday Dec. 5.

It must now be questioned whether the relationship between Chester Arthur and Justice Gray was influenced by Arthur’s eligibility problems and whether those issues effected Gray’s opinion and vote in Wong Kim Arc.

It must also be considered that the integrity of Justice Gray’s SCOTUS appointment might have been called into question if Chester Arthur’s POTUS ineligibility issues had become known.

All of the above is relevant to the issue of whether Barack Obama is a natural born citizen in that the core Supreme Court opinion in Wong Kim Arc must now be re-evaluated in lieu of the fact that the Justice who wrote the opinion was appointed by Chester Arthur.

Leo Donofrio will accompany Cort Wrotnowski to Washington D.C. tomorrow and both will be available for comment at 11:00 AM on the steps of the Supreme Court. This is not a rally, protest or vigil. If the media would like to discuss this historical brief and the issues discussed above, Donofrio and Wrotnowski will be available to answer any questions thereto.

Leo C. Donofrio, Esq.

Cort Wrotnowski

[LiveToWin]

Oooohhh, so this is not over yet, eh?

[bojo68]

Oooohhh, so this is not over yet, eh?

No, it's NOT over yet. Even better, the Cort Wrotnoski case uses the same arguments that the Donofrio case does, which the judges have all heard and dismissed, but they distributed this for conference AFTER discussing the Donofrio case. That tends to imply that this cases has something going for it that the Donofrio case didn't. As Leo Donofrio himself says, it has a clearer lower court record than his case did, and that by itself may be the reason things are going the way they are. As he says, if they reject that one, "then the fat lady can sing"

[BeFranklin]

They wouldn't have looked at the second one for a full review unless they are interested in the case.

That doesn't necessarily mean an outcome one way or other. They may be looking simply for an opportunity to clarify natural born - an obama supporter might want that as well, but these were conservative judges that referred the cases up.

[BeFranklin]

...

[Pepsi]

From Berg

U. S. Supreme Court asked to issue an injunction to stay electorial votes on December 15, 2008 until Obama proves he is "qualified" to be President as this is the largest "HOAX" in 200 years.

http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/072_ObamaPressRelease12082008.pdf

[torchbearer]

What's the deal pickle?

[Pepsi]

Rumors of a decision denying Cort’s application are unequivocally false. A SCOTUS Spokesperson just told Cort Wrotnowski there has been no decision. She indicated there will be no decision until Monday. The conference is sealed, no clerks are allowed in

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/natural-born-citizen-defined-by-14th-amendment-framers-and-in-treatise-relied-on-by-scalia/

[LiveToWin]

Ok, so this is a second case that the SC will decide on taking or not. And this one is saying that Obama was Not born in HI? Do I have that correct?

[Elwar]

I think it would be much easier if Obama just steps down and puts Ron Paul in his place.

[LiveToWin]

I think it would be much easier if Obama just steps down and puts Ron Paul in his place.

I second that motion.

[MelissaCato]

I think it would be much easier if Obama just steps down and puts Ron Paul in his place.

Very good idea. :D

[Feenix566]

obama's citizenship will be to the republicans what george bush's 2000 vote recount is to the democrats.

You can scream about it until the cows come home...the cows won't be coming home.


qft

[phoenixrising]

Ok, so this is a second case that the SC will decide on taking or not. And this one is saying that Obama was Not born in HI? Do I have that correct?

there are multiple cases ...the SCOTUS one for today is same as leo's barky not a "natural born citizen" leo & cort have not gotten into the HI BC. berg & others are doing that.

we'll know monday hopefully if cort's case goes to hearing...it's in conference today.

[phoenixrising]

I think it would be much easier if Obama just steps down and puts Ron Paul in his place.


actually i posted a *wish* & what if... in the barky forum a while ago

it's logical so it probably would work tho' ;(

seeing as the DNC & GOP both highjacked the election w/ 2 false candidates...seems to me the only *fair* way to handle this would be to go to the last 2 people standing....hillery & RP.

...then we have a legal election in april...schedule 1 or 2 REAL debates where WE, The People pose the questions & then vote. no campaign . zip. nada!

course the 3rd party people would be on the ballot as well.

can't default to a 3rd party now as they still would have need 270 elector votes (& not all on all ballots) ... actually monday ought to prove pretty interesting nationwide as things stand now.

[Pepsi]

Supreme Court refuses 2nd challenge to eligibility

The U.S. Supreme Court has rejected a second challenge to the presidency of Barack Obama, announcing today it denied an application for a stay or an injunction in a case from Connecticut.

The case brought by Cort Wrotnowski had been distributed for review by the court and apparently was considered during a conference of the justices Friday.

It met the same fate as an earlier case brought by Leo Donofrio and essentially challenged Obama on the same issue: allegations that dual citizenship based on a father who was a British subject and a mother who was an American minor disqualified him for office under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that presidents be "natural born" citizens.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83693

[libertarian4321]

Supreme Court refuses 2nd challenge to eligibility

The U.S. Supreme Court has rejected a second challenge to the presidency of Barack Obama, announcing today it denied an application for a stay or an injunction in a case from Connecticut.

The case brought by Cort Wrotnowski had been distributed for review by the court and apparently was considered during a conference of the justices Friday.

I'm shocked, lol.

Better to let the wing nuts blow their money on Quixotic attempts to overthrow the results of the election.

Hopefully, not many of us wasted money on this stuff when it could have been used for better purposes.

I'm taking some time off from donating to political causes anyway- given the economic situation, and the spirit of the season, I'm putting my spare dollars toward causes like the SA Food Bank and the Animal Defense League.