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Dojo
12-02-2008, 03:41 AM
Potential Revenue for State: $1 Billion from Indian Taxes?


The Governor says New York State's financial future looks grim, with a projected $15 billion dollar deficit. But, there's a big potential revenue source basically sitting on his desk. Earlier this year, the state legislature passed a bill making it easier to collect taxes from Indian nations on gasoline and cigarettes.

Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos, (R-Long Island) says, "Sales tax on Indian reservations that passed the legislature early in the year, the Assembly has refused to send it down to you at this point for you to make a decision as to whether you're going to sign it or veto it."

State Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos pushed the idea at Tuesday's leaders meeting in Albany. "There's perhaps half a billion to a billion dollars," said Skelos, his suggestions for closing the budget gap.

Western New York State Senator Dale Volker says it's a better idea than making cuts to schools and in healthcare. Volker (R-Depew), "You could get part of it now, the bill is sitting in the Assembly. If it was referred to the Governor, we could start collecting tax probably within a week."

But when Governor Pataki attempted to collect taxes from Indians in the 90's, protests got ugly. And now, the Senecas have launched a television ad campaign against the idea.

Paterson (D-NY) says, "We are addressing the issue of collecting not only cigarette but, gasoline taxes from Indian nations. That is my next priority, but no matter what I do I won't be able to get $500 million dollars to a billion dollars in this budget cycle. 2009, 2010, now we're talking about a different story." The governor is working on hammering out a deal with the Indian nations.....

(HERE'S THE HAMMER)

The Associated PressPosted Nov 26, 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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Seneca Falls, N.Y. — Authorities in two upstate New York counties RAIDED cigarette shops operated by the Cayuga Indian Nation on Tuesday. Deputies from Cayuga and Seneca counties seized boxes of untaxed cigarettes from two Lake Side Trading convenience stores owned by the Cayuga Indian Nation in Union Springs and Seneca Falls. The raids were staged simultaneously. The stores were violating state law by selling cigarettes without charging the required tax, authorities said.

Representatives from the Cayuga Nation said they were contacting their lawyer.Cayuga Nation representatives Clint Halftown and Tim Twoguns were inside the store later Tuesday afternoon.“We’re speechless,” Twoguns told The Post-Standard of Syracuse. He referred questions to the Cayuga County sheriff.

At a news conference Tuesday, Seneca County District Attorney Richard Swinehart and Cayuga County District Attorney Jon Budelmann said the two stores were not on sovereign Indian land or on reservation land, so they must be treated as ordinary private businesses illegally selling untaxed cigarettes.

Swinehart and Budelmann said they acted against the Cayugas based on an Oneida Indians dispute with the city of Sherill. In that case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Indian nations could not claim land they simply bought as sovereign. The two Cayuga stores are on purchased land. Deputies blocked the entrances to both stores, turning customers away while other officers carried out boxes of merchandise and cigarettes for loading onto trailers.


Cayuga Nation takes legal action after raidBy Nate Robson / The Citizen

Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:18 PM EST

After the Cayuga County Sheriff's Office raided two of its convenience stores for untaxed cigarettes last Tuesday, the Cayuga Nation will seek to have any pending felony tax evasion charges dismissed before they are filed on the grounds that the search warrant violated their sovereignty.

The tribe's attorney, Dan French, said his office will argue on Wednesday that a warrant obtained by the sheriffs' and district attorneys' offices in Cayuga and Seneca counties violated a state injunction that limited the enforcement of tax laws on American Indians, and that the Lake Side Trading stores in Union Springs and Seneca Falls are part of a 64,000-acre reservation established in a treaty by President George Washington in the 1794.

The tribe, along with other Indian nations in New York, have claimed they are exempt from collecting sales and excise taxes on their property because their businesses are protected by their sovereign nation status.

The tribe will also argue that all of the evidence collected in the raid, which includes 1.5 million cigarettes, needs to be returned because the search was illegal.

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Cayuga Indian Nation seeks court order to resume selling cigarettes in Seneca and Cayuga counties

Court hearing to decide if Cayugas may resume sale of tax-free cigarettes.
Tuesday, December 02, 2008
By Scott Rapp
Staff writer

It's back to court for the Cayuga Indian Nation in its long-running tax feud with Cayuga and Seneca counties.

On Wednesday, the Cayugas will seek a court order that would allow them to resume peddling tax-free cigarettes at their convenience stores in Union Springs and the town of Seneca Falls.

The nation was forced to stop selling cigarettes Nov. 25 after sheriff's deputies in both counties seized all of their 17,600 cartons of smokes for not paying some $485,000 in state excise taxes on them.


The Cayugas plan to ask state Supreme Court Judge Kenneth Fisher, of Monroe County, for an injunction on grounds that last week's searches were illegal and that the counties are trying to enforce a law that is not in effect, Daniel French, a nation lawyer, said Monday.

The counties say otherwise. They will argue that the Cayugas' LakeSide Trading stores are not on sovereign, tax-free reservation land and that it is illegal to possess and sell unstamped cigarettes on nonreservation land, Seneca County District Attorney Richard Swinehart said.

"We say we have the right to do it; they say we don't. The judge will decide; that's the bottom line," Swinehart said.

The court hearing is scheduled for 11:30 a.m. in Cayuga County.

Both counties have been trying for about 31/2 years to force the Cayugas to pay taxes on sales of cigarettes and gasoline at their convenience stores.

The excise tax on the confiscated cigarettes amounts to $27.50 per carton but does not include sales tax. The counties say the Cayugas are driving competitors out of business because the nation can sell their goods at lower, tax-free prices.

"There's no exemption for them not to pay the tax. They're simply evading paying millions of dollars of taxes," Cayuga County District Attorney Jon Budelmann said.

The Cayugas own many properties, including the two stores, in their ancestral homeland around the north end of Cayuga Lake. Their application to have the stores and other properties put into federal trust - which would make them sovereign and tax-free forever - is pending before the federal government.

French said the dispute has little to do with whether the

stores are on sovereign, tax-free reservation land.

Instead, the state tax code lists the nation as a "qualified reservation," a designation, he said, that allows for the Cayugas to sell tax-free cigarettes.

Also, French said, a state Supreme Court judge in Buffalo has barred the state from collecting taxes on sales at Native American businesses. The judge issued the injunction in January 2007 because the state failed to issue tax-exemption coupons for Indians who buy goods from Native American merchants, French said.

"Our contention is the law the district attorneys (in both counties) are trying to prosecute is enjoined from being enforced," he added.

The state Taxation and Finance Department has yet to implement a coupon system for collecting taxes from the Cayugas and other Indian merchants, nearly two years after the injunction was issued.

HOLLYWOOD
12-02-2008, 04:19 AM
Government = Parasites

Wow... state budget deficit

NY: $15.0 Billion
CA: $11.2 Billion
NV: $ 7.2 Billion

They are all waiting for the Obama Communist Lite government, to socialize the states with a government BAILOUT of GOVERNMENT!

Dojo
12-02-2008, 04:29 AM
The state says it loses millions of dollars in tax revenues through the sale of untaxed cigarettes by Indians. But the Indians AREN'T making those millions, they don't add taxes. They are being competitive by selling cheaper cigs. Isn't that capitalism?

And if it is on sovern land, then it isn't actually New York, right, you can't lose what isn't yours.

Bloomberg is in a bind and he will makes the Indians pay

angelatc
12-02-2008, 04:33 AM
The state says it loses millions of dollars in tax revenues through the sale of untaxed cigarettes by Indians. But the Indians AREN'T making those millions, they don't add taxes.

If you can just remember that it's not our money, that sentiment makes perfect sense.

Dojo
12-02-2008, 05:06 AM
Senecas intro 2nd anti-tax campaignBusiness First of Buffalo - by James Fink Business First

Senecas appeal latest federal ruling
Senecas want to snuff out bill

For the second time this fall, the Seneca Nation of Indians have launched a multi-week campaign aimed at convincing Gov. David Paterson to veto a controversial tax bill.

The proposed legislation seeks to tax wholesalers who sell various retail products to stores on Indian territories

Similar bills have been vetoed by past governors, but the proposal is sitting on Paterson’s desk at a time when New York is facing a potential $14 billion budget deficit in the next year and lawmakers are looking at both slicing services and raising revenues.

“This law threatens our right to commerce and could result in job losses for more than 1,000 families on the Seneca Nation alone and cuts into the revenue the nation has for investment and expansion,” said Seneca Nation Tribal Council President Richard Nephew. “The ripple effect of such a regressive legislative effort are clear.”

Representatives from Paterson’s office said the bill was still being reviewed by the governor.

The Seneca Nation of Indians has 6,300 employees and a $313 million retail sector base. Last year, it paid $166 million in taxes and fees to New York state while spending more than $90 million local and state vendors.

“Our ads argue that the Seneca Nation’s economy is a bright spot in a region that has too few, and may have fewer, the way things are going,” Nephew said.

heavenlyboy34
12-02-2008, 07:20 AM
AZ has contracts with the tribes that keep the state in line (last time I checked). Perhaps the aforementioned states' tribes should look into that kind of thing.

Dojo
12-02-2008, 07:44 AM
AZ has contracts with the tribes that keep the state in line (last time I checked). Perhaps the aforementioned states' tribes should look into that kind of thing.


I hope something can help them. The part of this story that blew my mind was that the Cayuga County Sheriff's Office raided two of its convenience stores for selling untaxed cigarettes last Tuesday, and took their cigarettes................ I thought OMG, 2 convenience stores RAIDED? If they were selling lipstick for pigs, the authorities wouldn't give a crap. This violated their sovereignty.

They are looking for ways to collect revenue, they could care less what this does to the local economy for the tribe.......

acptulsa
12-02-2008, 08:06 AM
They are looking for ways to collect revenue, they could care less what this does to the local economy for the tribe.......

...which is likely actually using the money efficiently. So, the money is helping more people now than it will when they cut off the supply by making the indian smoke shops not worth the trip. We run into that issue here repeatedly. I, for one, voted against our entry into the Lotto scam--I figured let the tribes handle all the gambling. Now we wonder why we're not getting anything like the promised revenues--or even our own people's losses back--from these charlatains.

But then, I forgot--God forbid people be able to buy affordable smokes! We're quickly getting back to where we started the Great Depression--every sort of tension release will be illegal (except alchohol now, nicotine then).