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paulitics

12-01-2008, 04:53 PM

Well Ron Paul is a racist according to these geniuses. Meanwhile there are troops being deployed on U.S soil, 7 trillion dollars stolen, and fascism on our doorstep and these same people don't give a damn about real issues. They care very much about the color of Barack Obama's skin, and how cool it is we have a dark skinned president. I'm sure when he drops bombs on Pakistan, they will be intelligent, good natured bombs.
Its like the same self important asswipes care about global warming because they are told to. Its trendy. Meanwhile, they don't give a droplet of crap about the honey bees dying, or gmo foods and cloned meat that are intoxicating our bodies and causing cancer to skyrocket and people to die. These liberals only care when they are told to, so that they feel important, and can stick their noses in the air like they are so compassionate.
I predict they will become very silent when Obama continues the Bush foreign policy, and keeps the horrendous civil liberties violations in place. I'm sick of them too, because just now, I had to reread what I just wrote just to make sure there isn't anything that can remotely be interpreted as racist.

The One

12-01-2008, 04:55 PM

Then you should stop criticizing The One!

http://www.moonbattery.com/obama-sign-of-progress.jpg

WTF???:confused:

Danke

12-01-2008, 05:00 PM

WTF???:confused:

Sorry, you have been replaced.

constituent

12-01-2008, 05:34 PM

Try this: Agree with everything Obama says, exaggerate it so much that his policies sound pretty ridiculous.

That's what i've been doing.

Hammer LBJ too.

Also, stop being a racist.
(lol)

jkm1864

12-01-2008, 05:38 PM

Well I am a racist and I am becoming more of one every day because of these ignorant people. Everyone is a racist I'll just go ahead and admit it so there You go. Everyone uses judgement in everything they do. Old people have a hard time finding jobs ... Fat people don't get laid ... Good looking people have an easier love life than ugly people ... We use descrimination every where in our lives and I will admit that I do ... The idiot is the guy calling racism every five seconds ... This guy apparently doesn't understand mother nature ... I am so getting tired of blacks saying whites are more racist than blacks .....

When I was young I hated people that had more than me its called envy. The poor hates the middle class because We have what they do not money. They assume that We the middle class are blessed by some magic wand. I find most middle class people are generally less racist because they understand what it takes to survive and have come to the conclusion that everything costs something. You will see racism generally in areas of rampant poverty because people want to blame someone else for their faults in life. So under my understanding I would have to conclude that the most racist people are the poorest people. So what group makes up the poorest group in our society well You decide...

tonesforjonesbones

12-01-2008, 05:47 PM

LOLL..well..that's what I do now. If they call me a racist my answer is "So? Whatcha gonna do about it?"..once you agree with them...they have nothing left lolol. too funny. tones

DJ24966

12-01-2008, 05:53 PM

They need to stop playing the damn race card honestly. Here is the thing.

Lets say in high school, a black kid were to come up to me and start bullying around, calling me names and all that, I report him, he gets to sit down and be told bullying is wrong... ok...

Now, If I were to do that, I would immediately be expelled for racism. It's ridiculous, I understand the history and all, but seriously, that was how long ago?? LET IT GO. Get over it, just because your ancestors had a bad time, gives you no right to expect to be treated any differently than the rest of us.

newyearsrevolution08

12-01-2008, 05:53 PM

I am being called a racist more now than before the election.
The Obamabots are really playing the race card hard.
Everything I say negative about Obama they just throw down the race card. :mad:

Why worry so much about what others think about you. If you get defensive like it seems you might it will only make them want to push you further.

Why not ask them WHY they think that just because YOU don't care for the man himself that makes you a racist AND if that is really their only "comeback" then I would make sure and LAUGH at their pitiful attempt to "stump you".

If anything THEY are the ones with the racist mentality because ASSuming that the only reason someone could NOT vote for that prick is simply because of his race. I would also let them know PLENTY of other reasons NOT to vote for obama and that list is NOT a short list.

Why not ask them why they didn't vote for clinton? it must have been because they are sexist then. That reasoning makes as much sense as you not voting for obama due to his race.

newyearsrevolution08

12-01-2008, 05:57 PM

LOLL..well..that's what I do now. If they call me a racist my answer is "So? Whatcha gonna do about it?"..once you agree with them...they have nothing left lolol. too funny. tones

I have used that plenty of times myself being a white male, shaved head and some tattoos. Apparently that classifies me as a racist just with that generalization.

If someone wants to try and "call me" something I am more than willing to confront them whether they THINK they are right.

patriot- "And if I am, what?"

most come back with bullshit reasoning,

small minded fools- "well racists are this or that"

patriot- "ok and...."

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most people don't know how to get passed that part because MOST odds are, are SOOOOOO scared to be labeled a racist or an asshole or anything for that matter and try and PROVE how they are not and what better way then to vote for a dumbass like obama.

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Personal opinions mean nothing unless you can't get passed what others think about you or assume about you.

constituent

12-01-2008, 06:04 PM

or, make a bunch of fliers that say something like this:

THE WELFARE/WARFARE STATE

http://www.usj.com.my/Upload/uploads/cluster_bomb_victim46.jpg

SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY

hand them one and say, "well, i guess it beats 'warmonger' you fascist cheerleader, enjoy the 'change' of venue."

Elwar

12-01-2008, 07:05 PM

Not all Obama supporters are like that.

You can find some welcoming supporters of Obama at http://www.theobamaforum.com

Tell them that you found the link on ronpaulforums and they'll welcome you with open arms.

mediahasyou

12-01-2008, 07:50 PM

criticism is not equal to racism.

tonesforjonesbones

12-01-2008, 08:05 PM

Elwar..I would be bounced in less than 2 posts..lol tones

qh4dotcom

12-01-2008, 08:17 PM

I am being called a racist more now than before the election.
The Obamabots are really playing the race card hard.
Everything I say negative about Obama they just throw down the race card. :mad:

My experience is that Obamabots assume I'm a Republican / McCain supporter who's upset that he lost.

Now I always say I voted 3rd party...and I ignore any racist comments.

BlackTerrel

12-01-2008, 09:21 PM

I am being called a racist more now than before the election.
The Obamabots are really playing the race card hard.
Everything I say negative about Obama they just throw down the race card. :mad:

Give it a rest. Nobody is calling you a racist for just criticising Obama, unless you're specifically targeting his race.

There's nothing I hate more than whining about being called a racist or starting a sentence with "I'm not racist but"

If you're not racist you don't have to say it. Maybe if you didn't make racist statements no one would accuse you of it.

The_Orlonater

12-01-2008, 09:24 PM

I live in Chicago, what kind of shit do you think I have to deal with?
Free State Project, I shall be with thee in a few winters.

orafi

12-01-2008, 09:32 PM

RickyJ

12-01-2008, 09:42 PM

nate895

12-01-2008, 10:02 PM

Give it a rest. Nobody is calling you a racist for just criticising Obama, unless you're specifically targeting his race.

There's nothing I hate more than whining about being called a racist or starting a sentence with "I'm not racist but"

If you're not racist you don't have to say it. Maybe if you didn't make racist statements no one would accuse you of it.

That is quite possibly one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read. People call me a racist just because I have the Stars and Bars in my avatar some other places (I have taken it out because it really hampers all discussion, even about videogame mods). I am no racist, life is too short to hate or defend something so indefensible.

BlackTerrel

12-01-2008, 10:06 PM

Well I am a racist and I am becoming more of one every day because of these ignorant people.

Don't blame other "ignorant people" for making you a racist. If you're a racist then it's on you.

BlackTerrel

12-01-2008, 10:12 PM

That is quite possibly one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read. People call me a racist just because I have the Stars and Bars in my avatar some other places (I have taken it out because it really hampers all discussion, even about videogame mods). I am no racist, life is too short to hate or defend something so indefensible.

What possible reason would you have for having the confederate flag as your avatar for anything except racism? Are you proud of your Southern Heritage from 150 years ago? And why would you do it when you know that so many people consider it racist and offensive?

It would be like if someone wore a KKK shirt and then said "oh it's for strikeouts". The KKK might represent a strikeout, and maybe you're not a racist, but 99% of people are going to think it stands for the Klan, so why wear something just to offend people?

nate895

12-01-2008, 10:17 PM

What possible reason would you have for having the confederate flag as your avatar for anything except racism? Are you proud of your Southern Heritage from 150 years ago? And why would you do it when you know that so many people consider it racist and offensive?

It would be like if someone wore a KKK shirt and then said "oh it's for strikeouts". The KKK might represent a strikeout, and maybe you're not a racist, but 99% of people are going to think it stands for the Klan, so why wear something just to offend people?

The KKK and the CSA have nothing to do with one another.

Yes, I am proud of my Southern Heritage, and I shouldn't have to apologize for someone other person's ignorance of history, and simply taking what the government propaganda center near you preaches as fact.

Kludge

12-01-2008, 10:19 PM

Everything I say negative about Obama they just throw down the race card. :mad:

Quit being so racist. "We" is the future. We are accepting the abused and pitied Black people by accepting Obama. It's beautiful, and unfortunate that you don't realize Progress when you see it. One day, Stormfront and racism will be the past, and Black people will be the future. We will be Black people, and I welcome the Progress.

http://samueljscott.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/multiculturalism.jpg

We are the future, because "We" is the future.

Andrew-Austin

12-01-2008, 10:26 PM

Before Political Correctness:

http://flagspot.net/images/f/fic-spk1.gif

After Political Correctness:

http://geek-woman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/southpark_flag.gif

What possible reason would you have for having the confederate flag as your avatar for anything except racism? Are you proud of your Southern Heritage from 150 years ago? And why would you do it when you know that so many people consider it racist and offensive?

It would be like if someone wore a KKK shirt and then said "oh it's for strikeouts". The KKK might represent a strikeout, and maybe you're not a racist, but 99% of people are going to think it stands for the Klan, so why wear something just to offend people?

This was my school flag:

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/889/flagif2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And to the entire school, including the blacks, it did not represent slavery or any of that crap. Its just a symbol, symbols mean different things to different people. No one at my school would think of racism or slavery when they saw the flag. Other schools however, apparently liked to bitch about it (after we beat them in football), and eventually the school board scrapped it as our official flag. Just a little story.

And no, I don't care that it offended other people in the slightest.

newyearsrevolution08

12-01-2008, 10:45 PM

o great, now we are gunna get people bitching in here about the damn confederate flag.....

I find it funny that people talk a ton of individual freedom and then bitch over a persons right to believe this or that or what flag they fly. I think more people gripe about the conderate flag than a commi flag.

I wonder who still gripes about the dukes of hazzard as well.

Kludge

12-01-2008, 10:46 PM

o great, now we are gunna get people bitching in here about the damn confederate flag.....

I find it funny that people talk a ton of individual freedom and then bitch over a persons right to believe this or that or what flag they fly.

Gadsden > Confederate. There's no reason to fly a confederate flag considering all the negative connotations associated with it.

newyearsrevolution08

12-01-2008, 10:51 PM

Gadsden > Confederate. There's no reason to fly a confederate flag considering all the negative connotations associated with it.

lol, ok bud.

josephadel_3

12-01-2008, 10:54 PM

Most people who call someone a racist have never studied racism and actually have no clue what it is. It's like calling someone a Marxist, when you've never read the Communist Manifesto.

newyearsrevolution08

12-01-2008, 10:55 PM

Most people call someone a racist have never studied racism and actually have no clue what it is. It's like calling someone a Marxist, when you've never read the Communist Manifesto.

or telling someone not to fly a flag because it MIGHT cause an issue. Sounds so libertarian. We need to stop doing ANYTHING that MIGHT cause SOMEONE to think down on you based on their own personal issues.

Kludge

12-01-2008, 10:57 PM

or telling someone not to fly a flag because it MIGHT cause an issue. Sounds so libertarian. We need to stop doing ANYTHING that MIGHT cause SOMEONE to think down on you based on their own personal issues.

Woohoo! Stormfront flag with a Ron Paul sign!

Praise Jesus, I see the Wonkette articles now, and when MSNBC reports on it, I'll just laugh at their inability to understand just how libertarian racism is!

ha ha ha.

newyearsrevolution08

12-01-2008, 11:04 PM

Woohoo! Stormfront flag with a Ron Paul sign!

Praise Jesus, I see the Wonkette articles now, and when MSNBC reports on it, I'll just laugh at their inability to understand just how libertarian racism is!

ha ha ha.

yup because a flag does mean racism....

should we all sport "obama" patches so people can know we are not racist either?

Maybe always have a black friend around just so people don't assume the worst of us?

lol....

stretchin it a bit.

racism isn't libertarian BUT libertarians respect OTHERS rights to believe as they choose so long as it does not infringe on their own liberties.

Kludge

12-01-2008, 11:08 PM

racism isn't libertarian BUT libertarians respect OTHERS rights to believe as they choose so long as it does not infringe on their own liberties.

I respect your right to believe in what you believe, that doesn't mean it isn't bullshit to be called out at every opportunity, and it certainly doesn't protect you from attacks on your character for believing in bullshit.

People associate you with what you associate yourself with, which means the Ron Paul movement is being associated with bullshit when the Confederate flag is being used to represent you.

newyearsrevolution08

12-01-2008, 11:12 PM

I respect your right to believe in what you believe, that doesn't mean it isn't bullshit to be called out at every opportunity, and it certainly doesn't protect you from attacks on your character for believing in bullshit.

People associate you with what you associate yourself with, which means the Ron Paul movement is being associated with bullshit when the Confederate flag is being used to represent you.

your opinion indeed

So if I hang out with someone who LOOKS like a gangster than I should odds are NOT hang out with him because he might make OTHERS look down on me?

Maybe not hang out with gay people because people might ASSume something of me in that respect as well?

I think you worry too much about what other people think of you. What would happen if people thought you were something you really were not? What would really happen? they talk behind your back and you do what? maybe go on with your life because you odds are would never see the "closeminded" people again?

Kludge

12-01-2008, 11:24 PM

your opinion indeed

So if I hang out with someone who LOOKS like a gangster than I should odds are NOT hang out with him because he might make OTHERS look down on me?

Maybe not hang out with gay people because people might ASSume something of me in that respect as well?

I think you worry too much about what other people think of you. What would happen if people thought you were something you really were not? What would really happen? they talk behind your back and you do what? maybe go on with your life because you odds are would never see the "closeminded" people again?

Now you're just being emo...

OF COURSE I CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ME, because I seek to use other people. I seek to spread a message, and I don't want it tainted with nonverbal communication which will be associated with my message. People are very important when they decide our fate.

If I walk around with my pants hanging below my ass and hair in my eyes, people are going to wonder if I'm a gay prison parolee, and rightfully so, because that's the connotative message given by the clothes. In contemporary use, clothes aren't something to keep your genitals warm so much as they're a mechanism to tell people about you or to use for displaying your opinion on something.

Andrew-Austin

12-01-2008, 11:25 PM

your opinion indeed

So if I hang out with someone who LOOKS like a gangster than I should odds are NOT hang out with him because he might make OTHERS look down on me?

Maybe not hang out with gay people because people might ASSume something of me in that respect as well?

I think you worry too much about what other people think of you. What would happen if people thought you were something you really were not? What would really happen? they talk behind your back and you do what? maybe go on with your life because you odds are would never see the "closeminded" people again?

Stubborn racist! Anti-social gangster! No man is an island!

Now you're just being emo...

OF COURSE I CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ME, because I seek to use other people. I seek to spread a message, and I don't want it tainted with nonverbal communication which will be associated with my message. People are very important when they decide our fate.

If I walk around with my pants hanging below my ass and hair in my eyes, people are going to wonder if I'm a gay prison parolee, and rightfully so, because that's the connotative message given by the clothes. In contemporary use, clothes aren't something to keep your genitals warm so much as they're a mechanism to tell people about you or to use for displaying your opinion on something.

Machiavellian con man! Dangerous radical! Phony pretender!

newyearsrevolution08

12-01-2008, 11:34 PM

Racist! Anti-social gangster! No man is an island!

:(

I couldn't find a "Crying Emoticon" so that is the best I could do lol.

wait found something better, I can now self sooth

http://www.mytherapybuddy.co.uk/images/6xBBuddies.jpg

BlackTerrel

12-02-2008, 12:59 AM

The KKK and the CSA have nothing to do with one another.

Yes, I am proud of my Southern Heritage, and I shouldn't have to apologize for someone other person's ignorance of history, and simply taking what the government propaganda center near you preaches as fact.

What are you proud of? And are you more proud of being Southern than of being American? Have you ever met anyone who flew a Northern flag or said they were proud to be Northern.

newyearsrevolution08

12-02-2008, 01:04 AM

What are you proud of? And are you more proud of being Southern than of being American? Have you ever met anyone who flew a Northern flag or said they were proud to be Northern.

Isn't that technically what we all are now since the south lost? so aren't we still flying the northern flag?

I don't see why forgetting the past is needed. I still love the 1776 flag and love the confederate flag as well. I like that flag more for that "Rebel" reasoning plus it looks cool. My family is from Alabama among many other places. I think all the versions of the various state and national flags are pretty cool.

BlackTerrel

12-02-2008, 01:05 AM

your opinion indeed

So if I hang out with someone who LOOKS like a gangster than I should odds are NOT hang out with him because he might make OTHERS look down on me?

Maybe not hang out with gay people because people might ASSume something of me in that respect as well?

I think you worry too much about what other people think of you. What would happen if people thought you were something you really were not? What would really happen? they talk behind your back and you do what? maybe go on with your life because you odds are would never see the "closeminded" people again?

I'm going to paraphrase Dave Chapelle here for a second. Do you realize how dumb all this sounds?

What if I decide to dress in a police officer's uniform and then when someone was being attacked they came to me for help and I acted offended and said "oh excuse me, just because I dress like a police officer doesn't mean I'm a police officer" :D

You can dress however you want and fly whatever flag you want but don't bitch about it then when people assume you're a racist because of it.

newyearsrevolution08

12-02-2008, 01:13 AM

I'm going to paraphrase Dave Chapelle here for a second. Do you realize how dumb all this sounds?

What if I decide to dress in a police officer's uniform and then when someone was being attacked they came to me for help and I acted offended and said "oh excuse me, just because I dress like a police officer doesn't mean I'm a police officer" :D

You can dress however you want and fly whatever flag you want but don't bitch about it then when people assume you're a racist because of it.

I saw that comedy special as well. Got to love Dave, I dig chris rock a bit more though. Both play some bad ass characters in movies

Once again, if you actually read my response to anyone who would ever consider me a racist has already been stated in this thread. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about me and find it sad that so many in here really do.

Maybe re-read the thread to see other statements just like mine as well as plenty more worried about what others think about them then worrying about shit that actually needs to be worried about.

If you dress however you want and others look at you differently then that is on THEM not you. That is something wrong with THEM and their prejudices and if you can't see that then I don't think I can clear it up much more than that.

Pauls' Revere

12-02-2008, 01:24 AM

Irony: A combination of circumstances or a result that is the opposite of what is expected or might be considered appropriate: Websters unabridged dictionary

i.e. Like when I walk into a grocery store and see an African-American female wearing a shirt which states "Property of Barack Obama 2008"

:rolleyes:

newyearsrevolution08

12-02-2008, 01:26 AM

Danke

12-02-2008, 01:53 AM

I'm going to paraphrase Dave Chapelle here for a second. Do you realize how dumb all this sounds?

What if I decide to dress in a police officer's uniform and then when someone was being attacked they came to me for help and I acted offended and said "oh excuse me, just because I dress like a police officer doesn't mean I'm a police officer" :D

You can dress however you want and fly whatever flag you want but don't bitch about it then when people assume you're a racist because of it.

Non sequitur.

Wearing a police officers uniform is fairly defined. The civil war was not (initially) about slavery. Most in the south, including many blacks, fought and were not slave owners.

The flag may be seen as representing the lost cause of preserving slavery, but the facts speak otherwise.

So just because some are ignorant of the facts surrounding the civil war, the southerners should give up a symbol that to them represents independence?

GMFB.

I am a Northerner where many from my land fought for the Union. I can realize they were wrong in their actions.

Elwar

12-02-2008, 09:08 AM

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/5/5d/Thatsracist.gif

lucius

12-02-2008, 09:25 AM

I am being called a racist more now than before the election.
The Obamabots are really playing the race card hard.
Everything I say negative about Obama they just throw down the race card. :mad:

Robert Jay Lifton, in his classic text on thought control in totalitarian China, discussed the "thought-terminating cliché" as a tactic to ensure conformity. He spoke of compressing "far-reaching and complex problems" into "brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases" that prevent real analysis. Racist has been reduced to just such a thought-terminating cliché.

It is good to read the cryptocracy's playbook:

Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of Brainwashing in China

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0807842532.01._BO2,204,203,200_45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

CUnknown

12-02-2008, 10:33 AM

I am so sick of Obama already. He hasn't even been sworn in yet.

My Dad was watching PBS the other day and they were just fawning over Obama's picks for his National security team. It was disgusting. There were three commentators and all of them said variations on "Oh, I just love the people he's picked! I want to have his babies!" I wanted to puke. Can't they have someone who disagrees, even a little?

And they were saying nonsense like, "Obama's going to bring change, that's why he's picked the people he has. He also needs stability, and the people will bring that, too." Aren't change and stability opposites??? And how can the people bring "change" when they are all long time Democrat and Repub insiders?? For God sakes, Gates was picked by BUSH. He's not going to bring change. And Hillary? Yeah, she just screams change. Have they forgotten that she is related to a certain former President?

I wanted to strangle them. Just be honest and say "Well, it looks like as soon as Obama was elected, he totally abandoned any pretense of bringing change, but that is good, because all us commentators like the way things are. We think his team is top notch."

You can say his team is great, you can say they are all talented, you can say they bring experience, dedication, competance, stability, blah blah blah... but don't say they also bring change.

newyearsrevolution08

12-02-2008, 10:38 AM

Robert Jay Lifton, in his classic text on thought control in totalitarian China, discussed the "thought-terminating cliché" as a tactic to ensure conformity. He spoke of compressing "far-reaching and complex problems" into "brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases" that prevent real analysis. Racist has been reduced to just such a thought-terminating cliché.

It is good to read the cryptocracy's playbook:

Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of Brainwashing in China

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0807842532.01._BO2,204,203,200_45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://books.google.com/books?id=FU_ifHrIIg0C&dq=Thought+Reform+and+the+Psychology+of+Totalism:+ A+Study+of+Brainwashing+in+China&pg=PP1&ots=6pZyhxmQkC&source=bn&sig=Xnmmalr-OHYVeg9gHsFIHx3MDS4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

Nirvikalpa

12-02-2008, 10:53 AM

You are probably dealing with mentally challenged people.

Try this: Agree with everything Obama says, exaggerate it so much that his policies sound pretty ridiculous.

It's called reductio ad absurdum and it works marvelously. :D

nate895

12-02-2008, 03:37 PM

What are you proud of? And are you more proud of being Southern than of being American? Have you ever met anyone who flew a Northern flag or said they were proud to be Northern.

I am proud my ancestors stood their ground against all odds against an overbearing Federal government, and fought to the bitter end.

The war was never about slavery to the Southerners, you cannot raise an army of around one million (including 90,000-200,000 who were African-American), if your goal was to permanently protect an institution that was to the detriment to everyone but the slaveholder (even then, one could argue that is was to their detriment as well), and anyone with three brain cells back then could have told you that.

SnappleLlama

12-02-2008, 03:47 PM

I have no problem with the Confederate flag. Then again, I majored in History (focused on Civil War History) and tend to look upon it as a historical item and not necessarily a racist item. The southern states did rely upon slave labor to fuel their economy, but to me, the Confederate Flag is more of a symbol of rebellion than anything derogatory.

Just my opinion, though.

*bring back Bunchies!*

eOs

12-02-2008, 04:04 PM

I'm seeing some pretty disturbing commentary in this thread...If you're a racist you are in fact a sheep. Which makes you a different animal altogether. The irony.

JeNNiF00F00

12-02-2008, 04:45 PM

I am proud my ancestors stood their ground against all odds against an overbearing Federal government, and fought to the bitter end.

The war was never about slavery to the Southerners, you cannot raise an army of around one million (including 90,000-200,000 who were African-American), if your goal was to permanently protect an institution that was to the detriment to everyone but the slaveholder (even then, one could argue that is was to their detriment as well), and anyone with three brain cells back then could have told you that.

Exactly. The only thing that had to do with slavery and the civil war was that slavery went from privatized to government owned. We still have slavery today. The government owns you, you cant even take home a full paycheck if you work.

Slavery 150 years ago was no joke, however the North was the one selling the slaves to the South but found the industrial revolution to be more lucrative. Slavery would have died out, civil war or not. The Civil War was more about the Federal Govt.(the north) taking power over the States. So with that, I am proud that my ancestors stood up to this.

The irony is having a biracial man promote more "slavery" via the government towards his people. The people voting for all of this socialized care does not understand the freedoms that will be lost, nor do they realize that the standard of living will go straight to hell just as our economy is doing right now. You like things like having a flat screen tv, and nice cars, well socialism and marxist ideas will not get you any of that. A lot will have to be given up. I am not ready to give up things that I have earned.

With saying that, when you hear that the south will rise again, this could be very well true in the future seeing what is going on today. That is not a racial statement, we want the overbearing government off of our backs. We just want to be free people with no government involvement. The flag represents rebellion of big government point blank.

nate895

12-02-2008, 04:49 PM

Exactly. The only thing that had to do with slavery and the civil war was that slavery went from privatized to government owned. We still have slavery today. The government owns you, you cant even take home a full paycheck if you work.

Slavery 150 years ago was no joke, however the North was the one selling the slaves to the South but found the industrial revolution to be more lucrative. Slavery would have died out, civil war or not. The Civil War was more about the Federal Govt.(the north) taking power over the States. So with that, I am proud that my ancestors stood up to this.

The irony is having a biracial man promote more "slavery" via the government towards his people. The people voting for all of this socialized care does not understand the freedoms that will be lost, nor do they realize that the standard of living will go straight to hell just as our economy is doing right now. You like things like having a flat screen tv, and nice cars, well socialism and marxist ideas will not get you any of that. A lot will have to be given up. I am not ready to give up things that I have earned.

With saying that, when you hear that the south will rise again, this could be very well true in the future seeing what is going on today. That is not a racial statement, we want the overbearing government off of our backs. We just want to be free people with no government involvement. The flag represents rebellion of big government point blank.

If they do rise again, I will be there in a heartbeat (or before, preferably).;)

Theocrat

12-02-2008, 09:29 PM

Exactly. The only thing that had to do with slavery and the civil war was that slavery went from privatized to government owned. We still have slavery today. The government owns you, you cant even take home a full paycheck if you work.

Slavery 150 years ago was no joke, however the North was the one selling the slaves to the South but found the industrial revolution to be more lucrative. Slavery would have died out, civil war or not. The Civil War was more about the Federal Govt.(the north) taking power over the States. So with that, I am proud that my ancestors stood up to this.

The irony is having a biracial man promote more "slavery" via the government towards his people. The people voting for all of this socialized care does not understand the freedoms that will be lost, nor do they realize that the standard of living will go straight to hell just as our economy is doing right now. You like things like having a flat screen tv, and nice cars, well socialism and marxist ideas will not get you any of that. A lot will have to be given up. I am not ready to give up things that I have earned.

With saying that, when you hear that the south will rise again, this could be very well true in the future seeing what is going on today. That is not a racial statement, we want the overbearing government off of our backs. We just want to be free people with no government involvement. The flag represents rebellion of big government point blank.

The after-effects of the Civil War didn't get rid of the plantation. It only extended its borders on a national scale.

RSLudlum

12-02-2008, 09:44 PM

I am tired of being called a racist

yeah, so is this guy ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V62I3g4cXFE#t=52s

RickyJ

12-02-2008, 10:22 PM

So under my understanding I would have to conclude that the most racist people are the poorest people.

You couldn't be more wrong. The most racist people are the super rich.

nate895

12-02-2008, 10:46 PM

You couldn't be more wrong. The most racist people are the super rich.

Yes, and they tend to live in rich neighborhoods north of the Mason-Dixon.

I love when Yankees bash Southerners for being racist, and yet you come up here, and I can count how many black kids are in my high school class on, maybe, two hands.

Zera

12-02-2008, 10:48 PM

Yes, and they tend to live in rich neighborhoods north of the Mason-Dixon.

I love when Yankees bash Southerners for being racist, and yet you come up here, and I can count how many black kids are in my high school class on, maybe, two hands.

I dunno, just where I live in Roswell, Georgia, it's pretty racist. Not really just towards black kids, but just hate for difference in general.