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Virginia Libertarian
11-30-2008, 10:31 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/business/economy/30view.html?em=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1228107426-93GAbUqOnQk5UihG3metqA

IF you were going to turn to only one economist to understand the problems facing the economy, there is little doubt that the economist would be John Maynard Keynes. Although Keynes died more than a half-century ago, his diagnosis of recessions and depressions remains the foundation of modern macroeconomics. His insights go a long way toward explaining the challenges we now confront.

According to Keynes, the root cause of economic downturns is insufficient aggregate demand. When the total demand for goods and services declines, businesses throughout the economy see their sales fall off. Lower sales induce firms to cut back production and to lay off workers. Rising unemployment and declining profits further depress demand, leading to a feedback loop with a very unhappy ending.

The situation reverses, Keynesian theory says, only when some event or policy increases aggregate demand. The problem right now is that it is hard to see where that demand might come from.

The economy’s output of goods and services is traditionally divided into four components: consumption, investment, net exports and government purchases. Any expansion in demand has to come from one of these four. But in each case, strong forces are working to keep spending down.

CONSUMPTION The Conference Board reports that consumer confidence is near its record low. It is easy to understand why consumers are so scared. House values have declined, 401(k) balances have shrunk and unemployment is up. For many people, the sense of economic uncertainty is greater than they’ve ever experienced. When it comes to discretionary purchases, like a new home, a car, or a washing machine, wait-and-see is the most rational course.

A bit more saving is not entirely unwelcome. Many economists have long lamented the United States saving rate, which is low by international and historical standards.

For the overall economy, however, a recession is not the best time for households to start saving. Keynesian theory suggests a “paradox of thrift.” If all households try to save more, a short-run result could be lower aggregate demand and thus lower national income. Reduced incomes, in turn, could prevent households from reaching their new saving goals.

INVESTMENT In normal times, a fall in consumption could be met by an increase in investment, which includes spending by businesses on plant and equipment and by households on new homes. But several factors are keeping investment spending at bay.

The most obvious is the state of the housing market. Over the past three years, residential investment has fallen 42 percent. With house prices continuing to decline, increased building of new homes is not likely to be a source of robust demand over the next few years.

Business investment has lately been stronger than residential investment, but it is unlikely to pick up the slack in the near future. With the stock market down, interest rates on corporate bonds up and the banking system teetering on the edge, financing new business projects will not be easy.

NET EXPORTS Not long ago, it looked as if the rest of the world would save the United States economy from a deep downturn. From March 2004 to March 2008, the dollar fell 19 percent against an average of other major currencies. By increasing the price of foreign goods in the United States and reducing the price of American goods abroad, this depreciation discouraged imports and bolstered exports. Over the last three years, real net exports have increased by about $250 billion.

In the coming months, however, the situation may well go into reverse. As the United States financial crisis has spread to the rest of the world, fast-moving international capital has been looking for a safe haven. Ironically, that haven is the United States. Since March, the dollar has appreciated 19 percent, a move that will put a crimp in the export boom.

GOVERNMENT PURCHASES That leaves the government as the demander of last resort. Calls for increased infrastructure spending fit well with Keynesian theory. In principle, every dollar spent by the government could cause national income to increase by more than a dollar if it leads to a more vibrant economy and stimulates spending by consumers and companies. By all reports, that is precisely the plan that the incoming Obama administration has in mind.

The fly in the ointment — or perhaps it is more an elephant — is the long-term fiscal picture. Increased government spending may be a good short-run fix, but it would add to the budget deficit. The baby boomers are now starting to retire and claim Social Security and Medicare benefits. Any increase in the national debt will make fulfilling those unfunded promises harder in coming years.

Keynesian economists often dismiss these long-run concerns when the economy has short-run problems. “In the long run we are all dead,” Keynes famously quipped.

The longer-term problem we now face, however, may be more serious than any that Keynes ever envisioned. Passing a larger national debt to the next generation may look attractive to those without children. (Keynes himself was childless.) But the rest of us cannot feel much comfort knowing that, in the long run, when we are dead, our children and grandchildren will be dealing with our fiscal legacy.

So what is to be done? Many economists still hope the Federal Reserve will save the day.

In normal times, the Fed can bolster aggregate demand by reducing interest rates. Lower interest rates encourage households and companies to borrow and spend. They also bolster equity values and, by encouraging international capital to look elsewhere, reduce the value of the dollar in foreign-exchange markets. Spending on consumption, investment and net exports all increase.

But these are not normal times. The Fed has already cut the federal funds rate to 1 percent, close to its lower bound of zero. Some fear that our central bank is almost out of ammunition.

Fortunately, the Fed has a few secret weapons. It can set a target for longer-term interest rates. It can commit itself to keeping interest rates low for a sustained period. Most important, it can try to manage expectations and assure markets that it will do whatever it takes to avoid prolonged deflation. The Fed’s decision last week to start buying mortgage debt shows its willingness to act creatively.

It is hard to say how successful monetary and fiscal policy will be in avoiding a deep downturn. But as events unfold, you can be sure that policymakers in the Fed and Treasury will be looking at them through a Keynesian lens.

In 1936, Keynes wrote, “Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slave of some defunct economist.” In 2008, no defunct economist is more prominent than Keynes himself.

N. Gregory Mankiw is a professor of economics at Harvard. He was an adviser to President Bush and advised Mitt Romney in his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.

Mitt Romneys sideburns
11-30-2008, 10:40 PM
are. . .

are these people retarded?

Brassmouth
11-30-2008, 10:47 PM
I'm at a loss for an actual response.

Well, maybe not...

Marx and Keynes:

Has any other field been so muddled and destroyed by so few individuals?

Brooklyn Red Leg
11-30-2008, 11:26 PM
Brilliant! Turn to the wisdom of the douchebags whose very 'solutions' got us here in the first place. Anyone else feeling like Alice as she interacted with the various denizens of Wonderland?

Mitt Romneys sideburns
12-01-2008, 01:47 AM
These are the parts that struck me as completely insane



IF you were going to turn to only one economist to understand the problems facing the economy, there is little doubt that the economist would be John Maynard Keynes.

According to Keynes, the root cause of economic downturns is insufficient aggregate demand. When the total demand for goods and services declines, businesses throughout the economy see their sales fall off.

CONSUMPTION

In normal times, the Fed can bolster aggregate demand by reducing interest rates. Lower interest rates encourage households and companies to borrow and spend. They also bolster equity values and, by encouraging international capital to look elsewhere, reduce the value of the dollar in foreign-exchange markets.

The Fed has already cut the federal funds rate to 1 percent, close to its lower bound of zero. Some fear that our central bank is almost out of ammunition.

Fortunately, the Fed has a few secret weapons. It can commit itself to keeping interest rates low for a sustained period.

lodge939
12-01-2008, 04:49 AM
I was just in total disbelief reading that article.

Mitt Romneys sideburns
12-01-2008, 07:03 AM
Its like a child wrote this

Truth Warrior
12-01-2008, 07:56 AM
John would probably just call the Rothschilds for specific advice. :p


"There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose." -- John Maynard Keynes

FunkBuddha
12-01-2008, 09:40 AM
Man, talk about a grave I'd like to piss on. Anyone know where he's buried? I'm sure it's in England somewhere. Maybe we could make a RPF field trip.

brandon
12-01-2008, 10:03 AM
Its like a child wrote this

It was written by a professor of economics at Harvard and an adviser to both Romney and Bush.

Andrew-Austin
12-01-2008, 10:32 AM
In the long run we are all dead.

bill50
12-01-2008, 02:06 PM
John would probably just call the Rothschilds for specific advice. :p


"There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose." -- John Maynard Keynes


No way he said that. Apart from the fact that more like 1/10,000 understand Austrian Economics well enough to recognize when problems are caused by a destruction of a currency, he was actually right about something.

Paulitician
12-01-2008, 02:11 PM
To the "in the long run we're all dead" quip:

LOL, yeah, we don't care if our policies cause the Great Depression, Stagflation of the 70s, or today's crisis--it is morally just to let other generations deal with it. Thanks assholes!

angelatc
12-01-2008, 02:38 PM
IF you were going to turn to only one economist to understand the problems facing the economy, there is little doubt that the economist would be John Maynard Keynes.

Well, I see the first problem with the article already.

Truth Warrior
12-01-2008, 03:48 PM
No way he said that. Apart from the fact that more like 1/10,000 understand Austrian Economics well enough to recognize when problems are caused by a destruction of a currency, he was actually right about something. I didn't make it up. Look it up. :) Hint: 1919.

mediahasyou
12-01-2008, 07:40 PM
In the long run we are all dead.

ahhh. so you are unaware of http://agorism.info

mediahasyou
12-01-2008, 07:40 PM
In the long run we are all dead.

ahhh. so you are unaware of counter-economics (http://agorism.info)

nate895
12-01-2008, 07:46 PM
Its like a child wrote this

No, children have not yet been brainwashed. They still understand that saving money is good, and it would be better if they could buy the same thing with that saved money when they need to spend it. I could have guessed that at five years old.

Theocrat
12-01-2008, 09:20 PM
Yeah. It seems the New York Times is totally oblivious to one economist (among others) who was spot on for years about all of the major contributing factors to our current financial crisis--Peter Schiff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlo8uvlwQeQ).

Dequeant
12-01-2008, 09:22 PM
I cannot comprehend how this editor has not lost his job. Little doubt would ask a man's advice who said, and i quote


In the long run we are all dead


While his short term economics may be the most accurate yet, he has NO long term economic strategy....none....not even so much as THEORY.

Keynesian economies flourish for a short period then die.
Austrian economies last forever and maintain stability.

emazur
12-01-2008, 10:42 PM
No way he said that. Apart from the fact that more like 1/10,000 understand Austrian Economics well enough to recognize when problems are caused by a destruction of a currency, he was actually right about something.

JBS put out a video that includes this quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Siol4JWKg
"By a continuous process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved,
an important part of the wealth of their citizens" -John Maynard Keynes

I didn't read the context in which that was written, so I didn't know whether or not that was a warning or a battle plan. Guess I know now