Abortion

[scubasteve01]

I'm losing a lot of people to Ron Paul's views on abortion. He's pro life, and really... I have no opinion on the matter. What's my response to those that are turning away from Ron Paul solely for the fact that he's pro life?

[American]

Its not a Federal issue, its up to the states. Repealing or overturning roe vs wade only takes it out of the hands of the FEDS not the states.

[r3volution]

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[nullvalu]

Yep I just tell those people it's his personal view on the issue, but it really doesn't matter that much since it should be left to the states.

[JohnnyFreedom]

He may be pro-life, but as I understand his views, he believes it is not up to the federal government to decide the fate of each state's legislation on it. So if the majority vote in say, Alabama, to outlaw it, then abortions are outlawed in Alabama. I know this is a simplistic version of it, but I think that's the jist of it.

No federal involvement. I am sure if I am way off base someone will be here to correct me soon. I've only been in the flock for 4 days now so I been reading his stance on the issues like mad but there's only so much a human can consume in that amount of time without breaking things lol!

[scubasteve01]

Excellent... this has been my response but I wasn't 100% certain if that was true. I figured he was for staying out of big decisions like that, but I think this is one thing he's given mixed signals about considering the way he's voted and how he's said he's so strongly pro life.

[r3volution]

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[NoxTwilight]

And you might also point out that this issue while very important to many people, a deal breaker for some (including myself in the past) is now much less important that our freedoms and the stopping of the systematic looting our our country. How will they feel about having the right to have an abortion but very little rights in anything else?

[bbachtung]

Ask the people whether they trust W. with their "right" to choose or their State's governor (this obviously works best in blue states)?

[Mr. White]

Also point out to them that if this 'right' hangs on the elction of a prsident, wouldn't it make more sense to decentralize it so that no single eprson can take it away form them?

[fj45lvr]

shoot these doubters could be right you know because back in 1930's before the abortion industry really blossomed it could have turned out differently....can we rule out 100% the possibility that maybe Dr. Paul would have been aborted and we wouldn't have to deal with it all??? Just think of all these meddlesome folks that could have just been eliminated from the fray....there would be alot of suicides that wouldn't have had to go through all that mental anquish to do it themselves.

[RevolutionSD]

I say the issue is completely minor and it's what the MEDIA wants people to focus on.

Would you rather have Ron Paul ending the wars, bringing troops home from around the globe, ending the federal reserve stranglehold on our money, ending the income tax, but leaving abortion up to the states? OR, would you rather have Hillary Clinton with socialism, war with Syria, troops everywhere, collapsing dollar, and taxes up the ass- BUT you get to keep abortion legal in all states?

If they only vote based on abortion they're already lost, but let's try to put it in the right magnitude.

[sylvania]

I've had this conversation with a relative recently. She is pro-choice. She has even had an abortion herself. After talking about it with her at great length, I think she considered it a non-issue in regard to Ron Paul at the end of our conversation. For me, personally, it is not a hot issue. I have my hot issues, abortion isn't one of them.

We both agreed that the majority of pro-choice people want it legal everywhere. The majority of pro-life people want it illegal everywhere. I explained that when one side currently has the law on their side, then the people on the other side lose. Wouldn't it be best to leave it up to the states to chose which side is right for the people living there? This way you get the best representation for the people.

I went on to explain that even though Ron Paul is personally staunchly pro-life (just read his Statement of Faith), he is so moral and has so much integrity that he does not believe he should be dictating to other people how to live their lives. He believes those people should decide at the state level how best to make their laws work for them.

He has even said in several speeches that the best way to handle hotly contested issues is to leave it up to the states so that if one state makes a mistake by outlawing or legalizing something, not everyone in the nation is paying for that mistake.

[Mesogen]

I'm losing a lot of people to Ron Paul's views on abortion. He's pro life, and really... I have no opinion on the matter. What's my response to those that are turning away from Ron Paul solely for the fact that he's pro life?

Tell them that all their worries regarding social issues are for nothing. A president can't do anything about them, nor should they be able to.

If Ron Paul were president, he couldn't outlaw abortion any more than he could outlaw anything else.

[jmarinara]

he is not pro life or choice , he wants the states to decide for them-selfs .


He's pro-life. Read his official website for goodness sake.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'm losing a lot of people to Ron Paul's views on abortion. He's pro life, and really... I have no opinion on the matter. What's my response to those that are turning away from Ron Paul solely for the fact that he's pro life?

he believes in state's making the call, so I don't know why they would be critical of him lol. he would do absolutely NOTHING on the issue. I'm pro choice, but I believe in state's making the call, so I wouldn't be doing ANYTHING on the issue, unless I were maybe a state legislature, or something like that. He's the same way.

MOST libertarians are pro choice, they nominated him in 1988 ANYWAY

[r3volution]

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[Eroberer]

Ok, we should be pro-choice, but the socialist government they want will make all of the other decisions for us? Seems to me some people are not thinking deeply enough about their ideology and where they stand.

[jmarinara]

Tell them that all their worries regarding social issues are for nothing. A president can't do anything about them, nor should they be able to.

If Ron Paul were president, he couldn't outlaw abortion any more than he could outlaw anything else.

Roe V. Wade is very specific that all it would take to overturn the ruling is the decision in law, or in execution, that the fetus is alive and human and thus deserving of every right of every living human.

This could be done by either executive order or by congressional law.

Ron Paul has no plans to outlaw all abortion, but he is clear that he will cease to enforce the ruling (similar to the way Jefferson and Andrew Jackson refused to support supreme court rulings) and allow the issue to revert back to 1972 (and before) when each state decided for itself.

Not the way I would do it, but sure as heck better than Hillary's or Rudy's plan.

[r3volution]

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[hard@work]

I'm beginning to think he needs to address the pro-life camp directly now.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'm beginning to think he needs to address the pro-life camp directly now.

he made a speech at a pro-life convention not too long ago... it's in his youtube collection. I personally didn't want to watch it. It's good for him to say he's pro-life for the social conservative vote, but the facts remain.. he will leave it to the states, so it really doesn't matter what his personal beliefs are on this issue. He wouldn't really do anything but enable the states to make the call. Best way imo

morally: he's pro life

politically: he's abortion neutral

It is a great policy though.