Petition for public release of barack hussein obama's birth certificate

[Volitzer]

PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE

To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities
Whereas, by requirement of the United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, no one can be sworn into office as president of the United States without being a natural born citizen;

Whereas, there is sufficient controversy within the citizenry of the United States as to whether presidential election winner Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims;

Whereas, Barack Obama has refused repeated calls to release publicly his entire Hawaiian birth certificate, which would include the actual hospital that performed the delivery;

Whereas, lawsuits filed in several states seeking only proof of the basic minimal standard of eligibility have been rebuffed;

Whereas, Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth allowed births that took place in foreign countries to be registered in Hawaii;

Whereas, concerns that our government is not taking this constitutional question seriously will result in diminished confidence in our system of free and fair elections;

SIGN THE PETITION

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

[newyearsrevolution08]

PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE

To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities
Whereas, by requirement of the United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, no one can be sworn into office as president of the United States without being a natural born citizen;

Whereas, there is sufficient controversy within the citizenry of the United States as to whether presidential election winner Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims;

Whereas, Barack Obama has refused repeated calls to release publicly his entire Hawaiian birth certificate, which would include the actual hospital that performed the delivery;

Whereas, lawsuits filed in several states seeking only proof of the basic minimal standard of eligibility have been rebuffed;

Whereas, Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth allowed births that took place in foreign countries to be registered in Hawaii;

Whereas, concerns that our government is not taking this constitutional question seriously will result in diminished confidence in our system of free and fair elections;

SIGN THE PETITION

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550


Quick question though,

once we get enough to sign this petition, and he is found to NOT be legal what then?

Does mccain get the presidency because he was closest to winning OR do you see them simply NOT allowing this to be an issue and go forward as planned with an obama presidency?

If this was an actual issue don't you think it would have STOPPED his campaign dead in its tracks?

[nate895]

Quick question though,

once we get enough to sign this petition, and he is found to NOT be legal what then?

Does mccain get the presidency because he was closest to winning OR do you see them simply NOT allowing this to be an issue and go forward as planned with an obama presidency?

If this was an actual issue don't you think it would have STOPPED his campaign dead in its tracks?

It depends on whether the Supreme Court follows the Constitution to a letter, or simply enforces the obvious provision of only natural born citizens being able to be President. Constitutionally, if the SC rules before December 15th that Obama is ineligible, then the DNC or the Democratic Convention meet and choose the new nominee who their electors will vote for. If they rule after, then Obama's EC votes are not counted when the Congress certifies the results. McCain would be the only person to receive votes, unless there is a faithless elector(s) who casts their ballot for someone else, McCain would be de facto president because no other candidate would qualify for the Congressional vote. Biden would still be VP.

However, most likely the SC would rule that due to extraordinary circumstances the electors wouldn't cast their vote and a new election would be held. We'd have to relive the whole thing all over, though in much shorter order (instead of one 10 months from Iowa to General, probably 4).

[Truth Warrior]

How about a petition for the KENYAN birth certificate? ;)

[newyearsrevolution08]

It depends on whether the Supreme Court follows the Constitution to a letter, or simply enforces the obvious provision of only natural born citizens being able to be President. Constitutionally, if the SC rules before December 15th that Obama is ineligible, then the DNC or the Democratic Convention meet and choose the new nominee who their electors will vote for. If they rule after, then Obama's EC votes are not counted when the Congress certifies the results. McCain would be the only person to receive votes, unless there is a faithless elector(s) who casts their ballot for someone else, McCain would be de facto president because no other candidate would qualify for the Congressional vote. Biden would still be VP.

However, most likely the SC would rule that due to extraordinary circumstances the electors wouldn't cast their vote and a new election would be held. We'd have to relive the whole thing all over, though in much shorter order (instead of one 10 months from Iowa to General, probably 4).

What does the constitution have to do with our laws though? They haven't use that piece of paper for a long time... Why would they rule with it when they have the man in office that they want? He is perfect for our courts and government because he will give them the power to rule over us. What judge doesn't like the power to sentence someone to death, jail for life and so on.

[Volitzer]

Much like the Taft Administration from the territory of Ohio made the 16th Amendment invalid.




This is my absolute favorite anti-income-tax argument. Most claims that Americans aren't required to pay income tax rely on legal interpretations so tortured only a tax resister could possibly believe them. But the Ohio thing has just enough plausibility to give even sane people pause.
It all started when Ohio was preparing to celebrate the 150th anniversary of its admission to the Union in 1953. Researchers looking for the original statehood documents discovered there'd been a little oversight. While Congress had approved Ohio's boundaries and constitution, it had never passed a resolution formally admitting the future land of the Buckeyes. Technically, therefore, Ohio was not a state.
Predictably, when this came to light it was the subject of much merriment. One senator joshingly suggested that his colleagues from Ohio were drawing federal paychecks under false pretenses.
But Ohio congressman George Bender thought it was no laughing matter. He introduced a bill in Congress to admit Ohio to the Union retroactive to March 1, 1803. At a special session at the old state capital in Chillicothe the Ohio state legislature approved a new petition for statehood that was delivered to Washington on horseback. Congress subsequently passed a joint resolution, and President Eisenhower, after a few more jokes, signed it on August 7, 1953.
But then the tax resisters got to work. They argued that since Ohio wasn't officially a state until 1953, its ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1911 was invalid, and thus Congress had no authority to enact an income tax.
Baloney, argued rational folk. A sufficient number of states voted for ratification even if you don't count Ohio.
OK, said the resisters, but the proposed amendment had been introduced to Congress by the administration of William H. Taft. Taft had been born in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1857. The Constitution requires that presidents be natural-born citizens of the United States. Since Ohio was not a state in 1857, Taft was not a natural-born citizen, could not legally be president, and could not legally introduce the 16th Amendment. (Presumably one would also have problems with anything done by presidents Grant, Hayes, Garfield, B. Harrison, McKinley, and Harding, who were also born in Ohio.)
Get off it, the rationalists replied. The 1953 resolution retroactively admitted Ohio as of 1803, thereby rendering all subsequent events copacetic.
Uh-uh, said the resisters. The constitution says the Congress shall make no ex post facto law. That means no retroactive admissions to statehood.
Uh, we'll get back to you on that, said the rationalists.
A call to the IRS elicited the following official statement: "The courts have . . . rejected claims that the Sixteenth Amendment . . . was not properly ratified. . . . In Porth v. Brodrick, 214 F.2d 925 (10th Circuit 1954), the court dismissed an attack on the Sixteenth Amendment as being 'clearly unsubstantial and without merit,' as well as 'far fetched and frivolous.'"
Just one problem. The Porth decision didn't specifically address the Ohio argument. It just sort of spluttered that attacks on the 16th Amendment were stupid.
OK, they're stupid. But great matters have turned on seemingly sillier points of law. It's not like the Ohio argument couldn't have been defeated on the merits. One suspects that from a legal standpoint "ex post facto" doesn't mean exactly the same thing as "retroactive." And of course the weight of 150 years of history, during which time everyone thought Ohio had been properly admitted, ought to count for something.
I'm not defending the crackpots. But if you're a parent you recognize that "because I said so" isn't much of an argument. Guess it's different if you're a judge.


If Obama gets in then nothing he signs into law will be valid and will be challenged in every possible court even if it is good for America.

An Obama Administration is as Constitutionally invalid as the Taft Administration.

[BlackTerrel]

Quick question though,

once we get enough to sign this petition, and he is found to NOT be legal what then?

Not going to happen. This petition is meaningless :D

[Matt Collins]

The problem is that if the officials release that document it might violate Hawaiian state law. That puts them in a wall vs hard place situation.

[Truth Warrior]

The problem is that if the officials release that document it might violate Hawaiian state law. That puts them in a wall vs hard place situation. The SCOTUS CAN grant them a waiver and cover.<IMHO>

[jrich4rpaul]

Signed

[The_Orlonater]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Discuss.

[pcosmar]

Not going to happen. This petition is meaningless :D

I suspect you are right.
I mean if the fact that he has No real experience.
Vaporous positions, that are subject to change or evaporate
And no definitive plan,,,for anything

and yet somehow was still elected to the office

Why should a little thing like being illegitimate stop him.

I doubt that much will come of it even if found that he is not and never had been a citizen.

But a small ray of hope is still a ray of hope.