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jeepndesert
11-20-2008, 11:19 PM
"Too big too fail"; "Privatize profits, socialize losses"

You can bet there will be an American automobile bailout. First, the politicians will have to seem like they care because the banker bailout, takeover, or whatever it you consolidation of wealth and power of the ruling elite, didn't go over so well.

They're planning on distracting the left and the right with political philosophy debate while they ignore what they're really doing, deconstructing our economy and bringing in their planned police, military, and nanny state for the planned chaos.

I'm a left libertarian second and an information warrior first. Don't get sucked into the debate. Fight the NWO first. Debate philosophy 2nd.

So I'll put in my philosophy.

Learn about the merits of Henry George. It is the answer to the welfare state. Yes, the government which governs the least, governs the best. However, geolibertarianism (geo implies henry george) is a good principled stepping stone which will also help prevent government to fall back into a complete welfare state like it is today.

You have to deal with the realities of corruption and evil and the desire for government to expand and attract tyrants.

You'll ignore the last 2 paragraph, which is the point, people are usually stuck in their philosophy so why force it upon someone unless someone is asking a question to find out more about a political philosophy. So i'll continue to the main point....

You have billionaires. They make horrible slaves, but they are useful to help control the masses and to suck wealth from them.

Then, you have trillionaires. Billionaires aren't so bad, but trillionaires are. There is a point where having too much wealth gives a person or group of people the ability to buy and take over the world.

Just recognize this. One goal of the free market is ultimately to prevent people from gaining too much wealth and power over the rest of the people -- by giving everyone the ability to compete with the wealthy and powerful.

I don't know my point really. I'm just expressing some thoughts. They aren't my thoughts. I have no control over the thoughts. The thoughts aren't me.

LibertyEagle
11-20-2008, 11:30 PM
I'm a left libertarian second and an information warrior first. Don't get sucked into the debate. Fight the NWO first. Debate philosophy 2nd.

So I'll put in my philosophy.

huh?

jeepndesert
11-20-2008, 11:39 PM
huh?

hope and change

Grimnir Wotansvolk
11-21-2008, 12:48 AM
In regards to geolibertarianism - I've completely neglected reading about this side of things, just fell by the wayside so I'm a little out of the loop on a lot of details.

I have to ask, though: who controls all of the money that's being given away through land?

And what gives them the authority to dictate this? Keep an eye on the inherently parasitic nature of government. Once it's determined itself to be the final arbiter in one case, it moves on to another.

Now, if the earth could speak for itself, or send a delegation of woodland critters (http://media.southparkstudios.com/media/images/1111/1111_woodland_critters.jpg) to our congress, we would know what to do. In this case, though, you're putting a massive amount of responsibility in flawed human beings and simultaneously quelling competition for that role.

Conza88
11-21-2008, 02:04 AM
Fighting for Liberty IS FIGHTING against the NWO... :eek:

Philosophy involves THINKING, if you had done any of that - you'd have come to that conclusion.

NWO = Tyranny

Anti-thesis of TYRANNY = LIBERTY...

And you don't need to be seen as a conspiracy nut in the process.

Truth Warrior
11-21-2008, 05:07 AM
The Marxists and the lame wannabes just need to get the hell off the RPF. You don't belong here. Don't you folks have forums of your own psychosis to haunt and pollute?

Deborah K
11-24-2008, 07:54 AM
The Marxists and the lame wannabes just need to get the hell off the RPF. You don't belong here. Don't you folks have forums of your own psychosis to haunt and pollute?

I think the opposite. The more marxists and "lame wannabes" that come to this forum, the greater our chances are of converting them - IF we don't act like smug a$$holes about it. (That's not directed at you, TW). :)

Truth Warrior
11-24-2008, 08:25 AM
I think the opposite. The more marxists and "lame wannabes" that come to this forum, the greater our chances are of converting them - IF we don't act like smug a$$holes about it. (That's not directed at you, TW). :) What's the current successful "convert" count, so far? :rolleyes: My SWAG count BTW, ZERO! ;)

They're just an ongoing disruption, distraction, diversion and complete waste of time and energy.<IMHO> There's already more than enough regular RPF folks to inform and educate. The Marxists are only here to "convert" and weaken us. :p

Deborah K
11-24-2008, 08:34 AM
What's the current successful "convert" count, so far? :rolleyes: My SWAG count BTW, ZERO! ;)

Probably because most of us suck at our conversion attempts. :rolleyes:


They're just an ongoing disruption, distraction, diversion and complete waste of time and energy.<IMHO> There's already more than enough regular RPF folks to inform and educate.

Are you speaking of anyone in particular? Granted, it is impossible to convert everyone, and to some people, it's a waste of time. Have you ever done it, TW? Because, I have. Maybe not on this forum, but I have brought people over who were heading down the socialist path and I gotta tell ya, it's a pretty incredible feeling of accomplishment and one that keeps me driven.

Truth Warrior
11-24-2008, 08:44 AM
Probably because most of us suck at our conversion attempts. :rolleyes:

Yep, that's a big chunk of it.<IMHO> :)

Are you speaking of anyone in particular? Granted, it is impossible to convert everyone, and to some people, it's a waste of time. Have you ever done it, TW? Because, I have. Maybe not on this forum, but I have brought people over who were heading down the socialist path and I gotta tell ya, it's a pretty incredible feeling of accomplishment and one that keeps me driven.

Many more statist to libertarian converts, than Marxists to sanity, per se. Hence my perspective and point of view. ;)


Have a good one. :)

tonesforjonesbones
11-24-2008, 10:54 AM
There has been a capitalist vs communist war going on in USA for about 100 years . tones

The_Orlonater
11-24-2008, 05:13 PM
I think the opposite. The more marxists and "lame wannabes" that come to this forum, the greater our chances are of converting them - IF we don't act like smug a$$holes about it. (That's not directed at you, TW). :)

Those morons can't admit they're wrong, besides I am a smug asshole.

JohnMeridith
11-24-2008, 05:28 PM
Those morons can't admit they're wrong, besides I am a smug asshole.
yeah that