Supreme Court to hold "conference" over Obama birth

[Madison]

This doesn't mean the case is going to be heard, but a "preliminary" hearing of sorts will take place to look at the merit of the case. This is a step further than what Justice Souter previously said, ordering Obama to produce a certificate by the 1st.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

[SnappleLlama]

FTA:

"The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists as his campaign has stated, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors."

This.

[Elwar]

Either way, it'll clear up the natural born citizen question if it comes up.

Something tells me that the answer will involve Obama falling into the category of natural born citizen.

[SnappleLlama]

Either way, it'll clear up the natural born citizen question if it comes up.

Something tells me that the answer will involve Obama falling into the category of natural born citizen.

It could set an interesting precedent. I wonder if we'll really hear the whole story?

[angelatc]

Either way, it'll clear up the natural born citizen question if it comes up.

Something tells me that the answer will involve Obama falling into the category of natural born citizen.

I don't see how. If he was born in Hawaii, he would be a natural born citizen. If he was born in Kenya, then he isn't.

[slothman]

...
If he was born in Kenya, then he isn't.

Unless either one, or both, of his parents are citizens.
There may be even other reasons Congress created.

[ShowMeLiberty]

I don't see how. If he was born in Hawaii, he would be a natural born citizen. If he was born in Kenya, then he isn't.


Unless either one, or both, of his parents are citizens.
There may be even other reasons Congress created.

Or it may be more complicated...


"[Leo C. Donofrio's] law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship "at birth" and therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States. A "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth".

Full article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd415.htm

[Elwar]

I don't see how. If he was born in Hawaii, he would be a natural born citizen. If he was born in Kenya, then he isn't.

His father was a british citizen which would make him a naturalized citizen of Britain just as anyone born on foreign soil of US parents becomes a naturalized citizen of the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen

The question isn't whether he's a US citizen or not, it's whether or not he's a Natural born citizen.

It would be good to clear it up at least, considering it hasn't been defined.

[bojo68]

Either way, it'll clear up the natural born citizen question if it comes up.

Something tells me that the answer will involve Obama falling into the category of natural born citizen.

Well, under british law at the time, his alleged father was a british citizen, and the citizenship of offspring derived from the father. The founding fathers of this country specifically worded the constitution to PREVENT the president from ever being acquired by the Brittish in any form. So, in order to get around the constitution here, it will be necessary to completely desecrate the founding fathers intent, and specific language. No small step.

[WRellim]

Or it may be more complicated...

"[Leo C. Donofrio's] law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship "at birth" and therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States. A "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth".

Full article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd415.htm

Sure they can. They IGNORE virtually the rest of the entire document -- they can (and will) ignore those two word. (OK, technically they will re-interpret them in the form of a "living document" sort of way and say some bloviating bullshit like "the founders never anticipated air travel" or something inane like that.)

[cindy25]

the parental rule only applies if the citizen parent lived 10 years in the USA, 5 of which were over the age of 18.

since Stanley was under 23 she did not have the 5 years over the age of 18

[hotbrownsauce]

As long as one of Obama's parents was a natural born citizen no matter where he is born it is possible for him to be a Natural Born Citizen.


Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

from http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

I've also taken a constitutional class in which we discussed McCain and Obama and if they are eligible to be elected last year. So that is why I'm so sure he is a citizen if he is born in Kenya or Hawaii. My area of interest is if he took his fathers citizenship or his mothers, if he ever denounced his US citizenship while he went to school in Indonesia where his step father lived.

Also I wonder about Dual citizenship???

[cindy25]

no action he took before age 18 would be valid, so the Indonesia part is a non-issue.

but the law at the time was 10 years, of which 5 were after 18.

Obama is dual UK/USA but so is the mayor of London. and Karzai is duel Afghani/USA, Netanyahu is dual Israeli/USA, as is Rahm Emanuel.

[hotbrownsauce]

no action he took before age 18 would be valid, so the Indonesia part is a non-issue.

but the law at the time was 10 years, of which 5 were after 18.

Obama is dual UK/USA but so is the mayor of London. and Karzai is duel Afghani/USA, Netanyahu is dual Israeli/USA, as is Rahm Emanuel.

We need sources to back that up. Thanks! =)

[phoenixrising]

As long as one of Obama's parents was a natural born citizen no matter where he is born it is possible for him to be a Natural Born Citizen.

### this is not true! at the time barky was born the laws differ from 1 parent to 2 (documentation at the end of this)

from http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

I've also taken a constitutional class in which we discussed McCain and Obama and if they are eligible to be elected last year. So that is why I'm so sure he is a citizen if he is born in Kenya or Hawaii.

### i'm sorry ...yet whoever your professor was...does not know constitution law.
(documentation to follow) ...or maybe you misinterpereted something(?)

My area of interest is if he took his fathers citizenship or his mothers, if he ever denounced his US citizenship while he went to school in Indonesia where his step father lived.

### to be very clear here: neither kenya (mombasa (sp?) at the time) nor the US allowed for dual citizenship. in order to attend school in indonesia he HAD to be a citizen. therefore, upon returning to the US by age 18 (+ a 3 yr grace period) he had to ***physically*** renounce his citizenship in indonesia. if it was not done-- he's screwed!!

Also I wonder about Dual citizenship???

##constitutionally...NO ONE can have a dual citizenship when seeking the highest office of the land. the founders were VERY clear on this.

[phoenixrising]

the following is just 1 msg i sent to my entire CD + several m/u's i belong to.

you may want to start w/this article (part 2) : http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd414.htm

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K...u must KNOW by now i am *not* giving up on this.... i for one (& hope there are 100's of thousands out there of like mind) who will NOT stand for the usurping of our constitution in such a flagrant format for starters!!

yes, WE have allowed it to be usurped to the point we are now--yet THIS is the last straw!!!!

please. please, please listen & FORWARD!!

i've been forwarding articles to friends & family & have put my butt on the line BIG time. so far out of 100's i only have 8 saying "don't send more" ...I am willing to take the risk --i only HOPE/PRAY you are too!!

i have sent you all several e/m's w/INCREDIBLE links (especially from devvy kid) that really needed your time & ears ..especially to peruse her links!

there is so much controversy about barky's birth certificate --yes. yet you also need to know it's always been BIGGER that that in my communications. leo is coming from the same space i am..it is NOT about party, color or race!! the whole question of kenya --really needs to be scrutinized.

with this in mind--i am now imploring you to PLEASE take the time to read & listen to the following links... in background at least.


this is a HUGE read:

http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/



listen:

http://www.plainsradio.com/show/Voice%2011-17-08.mp3

http://www.plainsradio.com/show/Voice%2011-18-08.mp3

btw: there are over 2 mil people listening to this show!!!


plus...there has been an entire movement that has now snail mailed documentation to every elector in every state.

[phoenixrising]

& for the record .... the MSM presented us w/**2*** candidates who were not able to constitutionally run!!


http://www.plainsradio.com/show/Voice%2011-19-08.mp3 <------ this is very significant (new release!) ....in a nutshell leo's case will now be heard in full conference (all 9 justices) ....he will need 4 justices to deem the case to "hear in full" (say a prayer!!)

btw: i e/m'd ernest, of freedoms phoenix (see below) & hooked him into these interviews for his further info.

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916 <------------------- check this out--especially around the 12 min mark!!!! i think the guys are rather rude at times...yet this was still interesting!

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Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency

Ernest Hancock
Website: www.ernesthancock.com
Date: 11-18-2008
Subject: Obama Administration

Latest Story on issue... http://www.rense.com/general84/scotus.htm

(The Validity of the following information has come into doubt. It may be an effort to continue press coverage of an issue using a false claim that an appeal to the US Supreme Court has been forwarded. Any additional information about the following email sent to FreedomsPhoenix would be appreciated and the truth will be published. Thank you - Ernest Hancock - Publisher)



Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that
a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack
Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing
is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details.

A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly
clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is
not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial
discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the
Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen ...
shall be eligible to the office of President..."

What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II
must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged
primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almost inconceivable
that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and
he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy his original birth
certificate.

Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the
pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the
President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the
President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in
their respective state capitals around the nation and casts their votes to elect
the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs
two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of
Certiorari.

The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing
process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a
potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days
premature.

The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course,
revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic
Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal
Elections Commission can independently verify.

Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect
Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship:

· The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to
automatically grant him American citizenship;

· The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that
he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of
allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;

· The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may
not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;

· The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any
hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be
an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other
countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit
claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.

· The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother
and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states." Reports
reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was
prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of
pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a
flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she
flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."

· The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since
state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;

Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the
suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose
their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother
married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she
forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

[micahnelson]

Remember when there was a worry about Obama losing, followed by riots?

How about him winning, then it being taken away?

[Truth Warrior]

Well a little general house cleaning is necessary every once in a while. ;)

[ClayTrainor]

http://digg.com/politics/Detroit_Michigan_Radio_Hosts_Prove_Obama_Was_Born_ In_Kenya

Digg It!!!

[Truth Warrior]

WRIF Radio – Detroit Michigan
Mike In The Morning Calls The Kenyan Embassy, and talks to an ambassador who confirms that Barack Obama was indeed born in Kenya and he his birthplace is a well known location.
Kenya Ambassador Confirms
Obama BORN IN KENYA!
11-21-8
Kenyan Ambassador plainly admits Obama was born in Kenya and that the location of his birth is “already an attraction” and that a monument may be built there by the government. This is the second testimonial to come out that indicates Barack Obama may not be a naturalized American citizen.
His Kenyan Grandmother recently admitted that Barack was born in Kenya over the phone recently as well. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo)

http://thestateoftruth.com/2008/11/detroit-michigan-radio-hosts-prove-obama-was-born-in-kenya/ (http://thestateoftruth.com/2008/11/detroit-michigan-radio-hosts-prove-obama-was-born-in-kenya/)

:D

[phoenixrising]

in case you haven't heard leo's website was hacked on saturday--not only that they brought down the entire network.

there are several places working on getting his info back up now...for starters go here:

http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/


Saturday, November 22, 2008
NEW OFFICIAL BLOG OF LEO C. DONOFRIO, Esq. - NJ CITIZEN CHALLENGING THE ELEGIBILITY OF THE '08 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN THE US SUPREME COURT
Yesterday, Nov. 21 2008, my previous blog - blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen - was taken down as was the entire blogtext.org network.

I have relocated here to Blogger.com. Mirror sites containing the exact content have been (or will be shortly) set up. Everybody is hereby authorized to mirror the contents of this blog. The following sites are trusted by me to have exact content:

ZAPEM is up now

LanLamphere.com will have a mirror up shortly. Lan also has in depth radio interviews with me.

The Plains Radio Network also has in depth interviews with me.


Below is a copy of my blog from last night.

NJ CITIZEN CHALLENGING '08 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN US SUPREME COURT MAKES ALLEGATION OF JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT DIRECTED AT NJ APPELLATE DIVISION JUDGE - OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

Today, Leo C. Donofrio filed, with the NJ Supreme Court’s Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct, an official allegation of Judicial Misconduct against Appellate Division Judge Jack M. Sabatino with regard to the initial stage of this litigation which was originally filed in the NJ Superior Court, Appellate Division. The case, having come directly from an appeal to the New Jersey Supreme Court is now before the the United States Supreme Court, “DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008″ before all nine Supreme Court Justices.

I am very concerned that if the United States Supreme Court requests the official records of the case from the NJ Appellate Division, a fraudulent case file - not including all relevant documents - will be forwarded to the SCOTUS and thereby the case now pending might be jeopardized.

A copy of the official complaint - by way of a New Jersey Supreme Court generated form - will be uploaded to this blog shortly.

[Madison]

A local radio station called the an embassy in Kenya, and they claim Obama was born in Kenya, and that a memorial would be placed at his birth place:

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

Edit: Sorry, didn't see this was already posted here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=169800