Seasteading.

[boethius27]

I know this has been brought up in these forums before, because this is where I first heard of this project which is being headed up by Patri Friedman, son of Milton Friedman.

However, the power of word-of-mouth advertising was made apparent to me regarding this issue. I just happen to know somebody who has retired early due to injury from being a merchant seaman and working on ship systems his entire life. He is happy to find the seasteading project and I know that Patri and crew need all the volunteers and talented people they can find.

So, once again, I give you all: http://seasteading.org/learn-more/intro

[wizardwatson]

As a way to escape the NWO controlled world I think its not really a solution. But as a concept I like it. A lot like I guess space travel would be.

I went on a cruise ship a few years ago, after dreading it, as I though I would hate it. Turned into the best vacation I've ever been on and I always joke with my wife that I want to retire permanently on a cruise boat, since you could live there for about $4K a month.

[mediahasyou]

So when do we move in?

[ihsv]

That would be cool, depending on who ran the place and what kinds of rules there were. The other thing is you'd need to make it as self-sufficient as possible.

[danberkeley]

That would be cool, depending on who ran the place and what kinds of rules there were. The other thing is you'd need to make it as self-sufficient as possible.

Why be self-sufficient? Why not trade with others?

[ihsv]

Why be self-sufficient? Why not trade with others?

What would you trade? Fish?

[danberkeley]

What would you trade? Fish?

Yes. You could trade fish to land people.

[Flirple]

The possibilities are endless. For example, be a tourist destination and trade with land goers. You give them a unique travel destination experience and they give you their money.

I think seasteading will thrive under Friedman's decentralized model. The key is to make it a mecca for creativity and diversity. Maybe parts of it will be temporary (sort of like an annual burning man festival) maybe parts of it are permanent. Maybe parts are business/tax havens (Google recently announced it's interest to locate it's servers off shore to avoid government meddling (http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128815.html)). The secret is to not really plan what this thing will be. Just let it evolve naturally and allow each seastead to operate under it's own sovereignty.

This is a great way to demonstrate how freedom works. Show a thriving stateless economy built from scratch in the middle of water. The lessons will be obvious to the landites.
Just get lots and lots of all sorts of structures out there and have a sort of roaring Hong Kong economy of the seas.
http://www.reason.com/UserFiles/artifact0809.jpg
Land...yeah...so yesterday.

[mport1]

All this sounds great to me.

[Flirple]

http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2008/05/seasteading

Here's a good article from Wired on seasteading.

[Elwar]

I've had an idea for a while along these lines but by creating underwater domes.

Build a single self sufficient dome with electricity from the water current and large enough to grow your own food. Then have others do the same and interconnect them.

[Libertarian Ideals]

Patri Friedman, Executive Director of The Seasteading Institute will be speaking
on the topic at the annual New Hampshire Liberty Forum (http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum) in March , 2009.

[dannno]

I'll design and help build the artificial reefs so on each side of the structure for year around surf so we can bring in surf tourists. It's actually a huge industry.


New Zealand artificial reef:

http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0512/6e65e25bb1e4067626f9.jpeg

[boethius27]

Patri Friedman, Executive Director of The Seasteading Institute will be speaking
on the topic at the annual New Hampshire Liberty Forum (http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum) in March , 2009.

Awesome, I'm just about close enough for that.

[Flirple]

I've had an idea for a while along these lines but by creating underwater domes.

Build a single self sufficient dome with electricity from the water current and large enough to grow your own food. Then have others do the same and interconnect them.

Right. That's the spirit. Everyone brings their own ideas (structures) to the community of seasteading nations. So if there are already some converted oil platform-type of seasteading nations/structures you might decide that there is a market for some underwater domes nearby benieth the water's surface. They could be undewater homes, hotels, scuba diving destinations, business retreat rental space, conference halls, Eco-tourism observation destinations, restedaunts, shopping mall, etc.

Not to mention that such a collection of above water and under water soveriegn seasteading nations would be a natural destination for cruise ships to visit.

This cocept is too good not to thrive eventually.

[Flirple]

I'll design and help build the artificial reefs so on each side of the structure for year around surf so we can bring in surf tourists. It's actually a huge industry.


New Zealand artificial reef:

http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0512/6e65e25bb1e4067626f9.jpeg

Interesting. But at what depth does that become unfeasable? Are you talking about sinking old battle ships to create artificial reefs?

[mrkurtz]

I know this has been brought up in these forums before, because this is where I first heard of this project which is being headed up by Patri Friedman, son of Milton Friedman.


Oh wow, I went to college with Patri... just wow...

Anyway, he's the grandson of Milton Friedman.

[RevolutionSD]

I know this has been brought up in these forums before, because this is where I first heard of this project which is being headed up by Patri Friedman, son of Milton Friedman.

However, the power of word-of-mouth advertising was made apparent to me regarding this issue. I just happen to know somebody who has retired early due to injury from being a merchant seaman and working on ship systems his entire life. He is happy to find the seasteading project and I know that Patri and crew need all the volunteers and talented people they can find.

So, once again, I give you all: http://seasteading.org/learn-more/intro

This is fantastic. I'm so fed up with this country and most other countries. I'd love to try this out, hopefully they can get this kicked off soon before Obama's reign takes a lock hold on us!

[dannno]

Interesting. But at what depth does that become unfeasable? Are you talking about sinking old battle ships to create artificial reefs?

Ya it would take some time to design, cause a 10 foot wave can easily contain energy that goes 100-200 feet below the surface.

So you would have to build a shelf.. whether the shelf went all the way to the bottom of the ocean or just connects to the structure depends on the depth you're in.

I don't know that it is really "feasible" at any depth, to be honest. I think they spent a couple hundred thousand dollars to build an artificial reef at a random beach break in LA that gets a lot of swell but has a rather unflattering shape to the wave.. but the reef got buried with sand, it wasn't nearly enough to do anything, and the materials they used for the sand bags were lousy.

[Flirple]

Just came across this fantastic in-depth interview with Patri Friedman from a little while back on the EconTalk podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2008/10/patri_friedman.html