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qwerty
09-09-2007, 05:36 AM
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com

Ron is winning, but we need more votes now!

:cool:

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 06:03 AM
DENMARK Votes for:
59 votes for Barack Obama
28 votes for Hillary Clinton
24 votes for Ron Paul
11 votes for Dennis Kucinich
10 votes for Mike Gravel
6 votes for John Edwards
1 vote for Bill Richardson
1 vote for John McCain
1 vote for Mike Huckabee


Oh, I'm so ashamed :o
Denmark is such a socialist country. Why oh why was i born here?!
However, at least i know that i have recruited at least 7 of those Ron Paul votes :D

Perry
09-09-2007, 10:14 AM
I am so touched whenever i come across a Ron Paul fan site from another nation like Australia or Germany because it tell me that some people around the world still care about America.

Kregener
09-09-2007, 10:16 AM
That has got to be one of the lamest and most unimportant "polls" e-v-e-r...

rodent
09-09-2007, 10:17 AM
I am so touched whenever i come across a Ron Paul fan site from another nation like Australia or Germany because it tell me that some people around the world still care about America.

It's not that they care. It's that they don't want us coming in and bombing them, or having our government talk to their government and then pass more draconian laws.

The fight for freedom in the US is the most important fight for freedom in the entire world, and we freedom lovers lost a lot under Bush.

Perry
09-09-2007, 10:20 AM
It's not that they care. It's that they don't want us coming in and bombing them, or having our government talk to their government and then pass more draconian laws.

The fight for freedom in the US is the most important fight for freedom in the entire world, and we freedom lovers lost a lot under Bush.

Actually....some of them care.:)

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 10:28 AM
It's not that they care. It's that they don't want us coming in and bombing them, or having our government talk to their government and then pass more draconian laws.

The fight for freedom in the US is the most important fight for freedom in the entire world, and we freedom lovers lost a lot under Bush.

That's pretty accurate.

There is not a lot of love for the US here in europe. It has been a trend that has carried on all the way back from the time of the cold war.
That might sound strange, since the US were the "good guys", but in fact many intellectuals here in Europe argued that it was wise not to anger the soviet union too much. (They were right next-door after all), so instead they criticised the US.
That, and the fact that Europe is a pretty socialist place all around.

angelatc
09-09-2007, 11:21 AM
Unless you're a globalist, why should you care who the world wants as the US President?

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 11:23 AM
Unless you're a globalist, why should you care who the world wants as the US President?

Aww, come on. A little care for the rest of the world never hurt anyone :D

Look at me, sitting here in Denmark working my ass off to help you guys elect Ron Paul ;)

JosephTheLibertarian
09-09-2007, 11:35 AM
DENMARK Votes for:
59 votes for Barack Obama
28 votes for Hillary Clinton
24 votes for Ron Paul
11 votes for Dennis Kucinich
10 votes for Mike Gravel
6 votes for John Edwards
1 vote for Bill Richardson
1 vote for John McCain
1 vote for Mike Huckabee


Oh, I'm so ashamed :o
Denmark is such a socialist country. Why oh why was i born here?!
However, at least i know that i have recruited at least 7 of those Ron Paul votes :D

is it all they make it out to be? I bet they have high taxes ;) Liberals think that they can help people with their programs.... you help when you create a true free market, this allows everybody to go out and do anything!

qednick
09-09-2007, 12:03 PM
RP kicks arse in Germany and Sweden WTG!! Who's the moron from Belarus that single-handedly wants Hitlary? LMAO

This is very interesting. You have to remember that a LOT of the rest of the world are essentially socialist societies - particularly the EU. So I'm surprised (but delighted) Germany in particular put RP above Obama. I am very disappointed in Switzerland though and worry that the european socialism is creeping in there.

One interesting thought though... if RP actually had the same name recognition and media attention as Obama, I think it would be a landslide for RP. :)

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 12:14 PM
is it all they make it out to be? I bet they have high taxes ;) Liberals think that they can help people with their programs.... you help when you create a true free market, this allows everybody to go out and do anything!

Top earners in denmark pay 67% of what they earn in taxes...

That is just the income tax btw.

qednick
09-09-2007, 12:18 PM
Top earners in denmark pay 67% of what they earn in taxes...

Is that just income tax on wages or is that including all other taxes such as value added taxes and sales taxes, etc.?

Don't you just love the ease in which limousine liberals--who have already made all their money--insist the rest of us pay more in taxes for their do-gooder schemes? :mad:

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 12:22 PM
Is that just income tax on wages or is that including all other taxes such as value added taxes and sales taxes, etc.?

Don't you just love the ease in which limousine liberals--who have already made all their money--insist the rest of us pay more in taxes for their do-gooder schemes? :mad:

67% is just the income tax. (poor people pay as little as 30%)

We DO have free healthcare, schools, university's and a quadrillion other services though. Not defending it, just sayin...

another tax is on cars. They cost 175-250% of their retail price.

There is also a 25% tax on any product you buy.

qednick
09-09-2007, 12:32 PM
We DO have free healthcare, schools, university's and a quadrillion other services though. Not defending it, just sayin...

Free? Is it really free??? :rolleyes:

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 12:33 PM
Free? Is it really free??? :rolleyes:

Totally :p

qednick
09-09-2007, 12:35 PM
Totally :p

Think you missed the point. It's not free because everyone pays higher taxes for it. :o

nist7
09-09-2007, 12:36 PM
Free? Is it really free??? :rolleyes:


Totally :p

There is no free lunch. While it is "free" in the sense that you/your insurance company don't have to write a paycheck to the hospital/doctors/etc. for whatever health services they provided you with, you already paid for that through your taxes.

Man from La Mancha
09-09-2007, 12:37 PM
Out of about 43,000 votes Ron leads by19,200 vs Obama 12,000 world wide
And what counts more is the USA

UNITED STATES Votes for:
15684 votes for Ron Paul
7307 votes for Barack Obama
2462 votes for Dennis Kucinich
1217 votes for Hillary Clinton
1148 votes for Mike Gravel
663 votes for John Edwards
528 votes for Fred Thompson
505 votes for Rudy Giuliani
388 votes for Mitt Romney
313 votes for John McCain
287 votes for Bill Richardson
203 votes for Joe Biden
146 votes for Mike Huckabee
112 votes for Duncan Hunter
106 votes for Tom Tancredo
65 votes for Chris Dodd
52 votes for Sam Brownback

VENEZUELA Votes for:
10 votes for Ron Paul
8 votes for Barack Obama
7 votes for John Edwards
3 votes for Hillary Clinton

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 12:38 PM
Think you missed the point. It's not free because everyone pays higher taxes for it. :o

Na, got you point, hence the: :p

qednick
09-09-2007, 12:38 PM
There is no free lunch. While it is "free" in the sense that you/your insurance company don't have to write a paycheck to the hospital/doctors/etc. for whatever health services they provided you with, you already paid for that through your taxes.

Yup. What people really mean when they say "I want free healthcare" is: "I want everyone else to cover my healthcare costs so I don't have to pay it myself." :eek:

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 12:40 PM
Think you missed the point. It's not free because everyone pays higher taxes for it. :o

Actually not everyone.

If you do not want to work at all, the state gives you a home and approx 2.500 dollars pr month.

qednick
09-09-2007, 12:40 PM
Na, got you point, hence the: :p

Thought you were sticking your tongue out because you really did think you had free healthcare and were somehow proud of that LOL :p :p :p:D

qednick
09-09-2007, 12:42 PM
Actually not everyone.

If you do not want to work at all, the state gives you a home and approx 2.500 dollars pr month.

You mean those who claim the dole/welfare???

JosephTheLibertarian
09-09-2007, 12:42 PM
Actually not everyone.

If you do not want to work at all, the state gives you a home and approx 2.500 dollars pr month.

wow lol... and you don't have to do anything? That's attractive. I mean, it's BAD economic policy, but it looks good to an individual :cool:

Gimme Some Truth
09-09-2007, 12:47 PM
Unless you're a globalist, why should you care who the world wants as the US President?


Well, its an indication of how your government effects the world more than any other. Theres no other country ,that I know of, that is so intent on invading other countries in pre-emption.

If there is any country in the world that would initiate WW3 then its you , with your neocon doctrine of "1 day they may get a bomb , so we better bomb them now" . I think we can all agree that WW3 would affect the world ;)

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 12:47 PM
wow lol... and you don't have to do anything? That's attractive. I mean, it's BAD economic policy, but it looks good to an individual :cool:

All you have to do is go to the doc and say "my back hurts, i can't work" or any other made up, unprovable illness and you qualify for "early retirement"

There is also the "people's pension" that every citizen over 67 gets.

When mom has a baby, daddy has the right to 2 months of payed vacation from work

I could go on...

qednick
09-09-2007, 12:50 PM
wow lol... and you don't have to do anything? That's attractive. I mean, it's BAD economic policy, but it looks good to an individual :cool:

There was a news story recently from the UK (been trying to find it) where a couple who had like 17 kids were given a half-million-dollar mansion and small fortune each month to look after their kids and not work. The father applied for a job that would earn him GBP250 a week but turned it down when he realized he would lose GBP400 a week in benefits. To add insult to injury, the mother said it was her sole "job" in life to have kids - she felt that is her only purpose in life.

That, my friends, is exactly why socialism has never worked and will never work.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-09-2007, 12:56 PM
There was a news story recently from the UK (been trying to find it) where a couple who had like 17 kids were given a half-million-dollar mansion and small fortune each month to look after their kids and not work. The father applied for a job that would earn him GBP250 a week but turned it down when he realized he would lose GBP400 a week in benefits. To add insult to injury, the mother said it was her sole "job" in life to have kids - she felt that is her only purpose in life.

That, my friends, is exactly why socialism has never worked and will never work.

that's not socialism.. its the abuse of capitalism

qednick
09-09-2007, 01:00 PM
that's not socialism.. its the abuse of capitalism

Aren't those two and the same?? Actually, it's abuse of ordinary hard working people - who have to foot the bill through higher taxes.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-09-2007, 01:10 PM
Aren't those two and the same?? Actually, it's abuse of ordinary hard working people - who have to foot the bill through higher taxes.

True socialism I believe in impossible, unless it's implemented in a voluntary society... it's the only way. This... this is democratic socialism, they like to use capitalism as a cash cow for their big government programs.

Michael Ingram
09-09-2007, 01:12 PM
True socialism I believe in impossible, unless it's implemented in a voluntary society... it's the only way. This... this is democratic socialism, they like to use capitalism as a cash cow for their big government programs.

Exactly

CasualApathy
09-09-2007, 01:32 PM
Did i mention that out of every 1000 people here in denmark 746 work for either;

1. The state
2. The 5 big regional governments
3. The 98 municipality's

It doesn't leave much for the industry.

qednick
09-09-2007, 01:49 PM
Did i mention that out of every 1000 people here in denmark 746 work for either;

1. The state
2. The 5 big regional governments
3. The 98 municipality's

It doesn't leave much for the industry.

That's just crazy! Why don't you move to one of the other EU states? Your English is really good - you could move to the UK. Only one in 3 people are dependant on the state welfare there. :o

JosephTheLibertarian
09-09-2007, 01:54 PM
Did i mention that out of every 1000 people here in denmark 746 work for either;

1. The state
2. The 5 big regional governments
3. The 98 municipality's

It doesn't leave much for the industry.

maybe because 'the industry' ran away lol

Delivered4000
09-09-2007, 02:51 PM
Did i mention that out of every 1000 people here in denmark 746 work for either;

1. The state
2. The 5 big regional governments
3. The 98 municipality's

It doesn't leave much for the industry.
One reason it's working for them is they have large amounts of natural resources for their size and per capita

Stefan
09-09-2007, 02:57 PM
Top earners in denmark pay 67% of what they earn in taxes...

Hey, speaking of scandinavian taxes, if I don't misremember Sweden is still the number one taxation country of the world. It is changing now, though. The coalition of every party that is neither socialist nor communist managed to win the election last year, so now it is at least moving in the right direction.

Before the election taxes were so high and unemployment so well paid that 9 out of 10 Swedish women would make more money living on wellfare than they do at their current job (subtracting the cost for gas or public transportation needed to get to work from their salary, since they would not need to pay for that if they were not working).

qednick
09-09-2007, 08:34 PM
One reason it's working for them is they have large amounts of natural resources for their size and per capita

So there's 746 people in government deciding how the other 254 people should actually dig the stuff up out of the ground? :rolleyes:

qednick
09-09-2007, 08:35 PM
Hey, speaking of scandinavian taxes, if I don't misremember Sweden is still the number one taxation country of the world. It is changing now, though. The coalition of every party that is neither socialist nor communist managed to win the election last year, so now it is at least moving in the right direction.

Before the election taxes were so high and unemployment so well paid that 9 out of 10 Swedish women would make more money living on wellfare than they do at their current job (subtracting the cost for gas or public transportation needed to get to work from their salary, since they would not need to pay for that if they were not working).

I've visited Sweden twice - nice place, very clean and very friendly people. But the prices of everything was outrageous. :eek:

CasualApathy
09-10-2007, 12:41 AM
I've visited Sweden twice - nice place, very clean and very friendly people. But the prices of everything was outrageous. :eek:

True, its an expensive place.

About the people working for government, i guess i need to add that it includes healthcare-workers, daycare workers, teachers, retirement-home workers and many other groups that would normally work in the private industry.

austin356
09-10-2007, 12:54 AM
Actually not everyone.

If you do not want to work at all, the state gives you a home and approx 2.500 dollars pr month.



your fucking kidding me right?


Thats double my income, before I pay for housing and university........... WTF


Though I must admit, housing is dirt cheap here; Sprawlville provides apartments for $.60 per sq per month.

austin356
09-10-2007, 12:59 AM
and speaking about the Danish Welfare state; They have implemented the "best working" welfare state system in the world imo.

I say this as a follower of Austrian economics, so dont blast me people; Just recognizing they have implemented their inherently failed system better than others.

CasualApathy
09-10-2007, 01:44 AM
and speaking about the Danish Welfare state; They have implemented the "best working" welfare state system in the world imo.

I say this as a follower of Austrian economics, so dont blast me people; Just recognizing they have implemented their inherently failed system better than others.

Yes, that is true, we have been wise about it at least. However even now we are facing a huge burden in obligations now that many people from "the big generations" are going to retire from the workplace, and not many young people are there to replace them.

Out of what we produce, 50% now goes to the state, and in 10 years, that will be 60%. It is a big problem and noone in danish politics really seems to have the sollution at this moment.

We have a lot of santa's running for office...

eleganz
09-29-2007, 04:15 AM
RP voted for. He is doing good!

johngr
09-29-2007, 04:28 AM
Unless you're a globalist, why should you care who the world wants as the US President?

As an ex-pat, living in the Socialist Republic of Swedistan, I find it heartening that according to the survey, Ron Paul is the most popular US president candidate here.