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RPIdeaMan08
11-16-2008, 05:55 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=209842906347732903&hl=en

thehighwaymanq
11-16-2008, 06:00 PM
Honestly, the 9/11 Truth Movement was what woke me up. I hated politics, current events, economics, really I was a kid. And then I went to NYC and came home and youtubed 9/11. I was opened up the Truth Movement, which opened me up to Presidential canidates who weren't mainstream. Which opened me up to Ron Paul. Which opened me up to all this!

RPIdeaMan08
11-16-2008, 06:02 PM
what really it was this site to accompany it (http://100777.com/video/twys)

RPIdeaMan08
11-16-2008, 06:03 PM
Honestly, the 9/11 Truth Movement was what woke me up. I hated politics, current events, economics, really I was a kid. And then I went to NYC and came home and youtubed 9/11. I was opened up the Truth Movement, which opened me up to Presidential canidates who weren't mainstream. Which opened me up to Ron Paul. Which opened me up to all this!

I was aware and knowledgeable about 9/11 before i really understood the scope of what was happening

sevin
11-16-2008, 06:14 PM
I saw a sticker on a telephone pole that said, "Who is Ron Paul?" That got me because I love Atlas Shrugged.

Cinderella
11-16-2008, 06:16 PM
seeing ron paul on bill maher a while back

awake
11-16-2008, 06:17 PM
A gentle tap on the shoulder...

Conza88
11-16-2008, 06:18 PM
Hmm... it has been in steps... actually from school (private) kind of set me on the right path...

Did MacBeth in English... power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely... got shown Outfoxed at school... which pretty possibly an attempt to attack the right, but here in Aus no fox news so on mainstream, so the point is that media uses certain methods and they translate here aswell.

Iraq war was wrong etc... had nothing to do with 911 was blatantly obvious.. I dunno, I think I've always hated governments.. Went into Chomsky... never really looked at the economic side..

Heard Ron Paul... sold automatically.

Jeremy
11-16-2008, 06:19 PM
Ron Paul campaign

RSLudlum
11-16-2008, 06:20 PM
When I saw this air back in 2002...I didn't know who the hell RP was then but he impressed the hell out of me by speaking of such things that was not coming out in the media at the time...It really was the point when I really really started questioning the government's intentions and the media in general. I didn't really follow RP after that interview but started asking myself alot of questions and was really an incremental slow wake up of various things I observed, personally and through the media.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2008/01/bill_moyers_rewind_ron_paul_20.html

Grimnir Wotansvolk
11-16-2008, 06:27 PM
Pot.

For years I avoided trying this wonderful plant out of fear of becoming some degenerate drug addict, until a friend finally convinced me. As soon as I'd tried it, I realized I'd been lied to. I became enamored with the war on drugs, and pushed it into every discussion I could, even as far as taping a debate over it on the school broadcast which was then censored in favor of some football shit.

As soon as I heard that a republican was running in opposition to the drug war, I had to check him out. Reading his writings on capitalism and sound money quickly steered me away from socialism, and the rest is history.

Pauls' Revere
11-16-2008, 06:50 PM
Learning that Chevron had to pay 30 million dollars to the corrupt oil-for-food program under the UN. This was the same corrupt oil-for-food program which Saddam Hussin used to get rich and somehow our CEO's of Chevron escaped the noose. It was at this point I had had enough. Luckily, there was Ron Paul and of course all of you guys and gals here at the forum. I have learned quite a lot since undetrtaking this endeaver and it has enriched me and my family.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Chevron+pays+30+million+in+oil+for+food+scandal&spell=1

RockEnds
11-16-2008, 06:54 PM
For me it was my mother's death. She died in 1981 of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head after the doctors had told us those tumors in her brain were just cysts that would never grow. If I'd been a little older, maybe I would have seen it as just an honest mistake, but I was 15. My whole world stopped, and everyone else's just kept going to work and school and church and all those other modern institutions that are supposed to keep us blind and obedient.

I packed a bag and literally walked away from my life. It's hard to do that nowadays--especially at 15. I saw the the cherry trees bloom in DC, the Statue of Liberty, the battlefield at Gettysberg, the Liberty Bell, wide-open plains, and dirty, crowded cities. I saw the best and the worst in people. I learned deep realities in unlikely places, and years later, it's hard for me to remember how I ever managed to play the charade in the first place.

AdamT
11-16-2008, 06:55 PM
9/11 made me go "what the hell" and then I really began looking into a lot of stuff. Have never been the same since.

Danke
11-16-2008, 07:20 PM
In the 90's I was studying conventional means to reduce my tax burden. I realized the arbitrary nature of the so-called "income tax." Depending on you knowledge of the code (or loop holes) one would pay less than one's neighbor. Not really a fair system. And IRS agents would determine weather they would accept such deductions or not, completely arbitrary, depending on whom you end up dealing with at that agency.

The more familiarity with the system, the more you could usually get away with. Hence why many of the people I know hire recommended certain CPAs to do their taxes. Wink Wink.

Then around 1999 a fellow introduced me to the "We The People" foundation. The rabbit hole of the Internet, where one good link leads to another. And the rest is history. Ron Paul was always in many of those early videos/ materials.

Natalie
11-16-2008, 07:25 PM
My dad is a Libertarian. In elementary school, we had to pick who we wanted for president. I asked my dad if I should pick Republican or Democrat. He said neither. Then he complained to the school for only giving us those choices. Ha!

Arklatex
11-16-2008, 07:43 PM
What finally woke me up was when I was in college studying how the internet works and net neutrality. Vowed never to associate myself with the neocons.

Conza88
11-16-2008, 08:13 PM
My dad is a Libertarian. In elementary school, we had to pick who we wanted for president. I asked my dad if I should pick Republican or Democrat. He said neither. Then he complained to the school for only giving us those choices. Ha!

Haha that is awesome.

constitutional
11-16-2008, 08:20 PM
9/11 that woke me up. Not at that time but after 4 years later when things had changed dramatically in this country. I really can't say how I discovered Ron Paul or anything for that matter. My thirst for knowledge on one issue opens door to another issue.

It's like climbing Mt. Everest. You don't know you are climbing it, but over time you suddenly realize you have reached the peak. And when you look down, the world looks scary as hell and you shat bricks. This revolution has helped me reach that peak. Never again, will the world be the same.

FindLiberty
11-16-2008, 08:26 PM
JBS late 80's.

As TSHTF, I'll may become ready for the Blue Pill - "hook me back up", 'cause it's not gonna be pretty.

Deborah K
11-16-2008, 08:26 PM
What woke us up was when my husband's haircutter of 2 years was killed by an illegal alien. He had FOUR priors and was driving a company truck when he hit her head on. Her mother became an activist fighting to get the POS put behind bars once and for all. We heard she was going to be protesting at an illegal encampment and we wanted to meet her and give her our sincerest condolences. We walked up to her and told her that my husband was a client of her daughter's. With tears in her eyes she ran her fingers through Mark's hair and said, "My baby's hands were in your hair".

We left that demonstration knowing that we had to do something so we joined the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. A year later we were on the executive council for the California Chapter. A few months later I came across Aaron Russo's film: "America: From Freedom to Fascism". It was in that film that I first discovered Ron Paul. Since then I have become friends with Dr. Katherine Albreicht, Joe Bannister, Bob Schulz, and Ed Griffin (all featured in the film) and I have had the distinct honor of meeting Dr. Paul himself when I became one of the lead organizers for the Revolution March.

I've been seriously bitten by the Freedom bug and I will never recover. :)

http://i33.tinypic.com/ve3aex.jpg

socialize_me
11-16-2008, 08:28 PM
Folgers.

Deborah K
11-16-2008, 08:31 PM
Folgers.

Pansy!! I drink a double espresso every mornin'. :p

socialize_me
11-16-2008, 08:36 PM
Pansy!! I drink a double espresso every mornin'. :p

Espresso?? wow grow a pair woman


:D lol don't go feminist on me!!! twas a joke

danberkeley
11-16-2008, 08:38 PM
What woke us up was when my husband's haircutter of 2 years was killed by an illegal alien. He had FOUR priors and was driving a company truck when he hit her head on. Her mother became an activist fighting to get the POS put behind bars once and for all. We heard she was going to be protesting at an illegal encampment and we wanted to meet her and give her our sincerest condolences. We walked up to her and told her that my husband was a client of her daughter's. With tears in her eyes she ran her fingers through Mark's hair and said, "My baby's hands were in your hair".

We left that demonstration knowing that we had to do something so we joined the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. A year later we were on the executive council for the California Chapter. A few months later I came across Aaron Russo's film: "America: From Freedom to Fascism". It was in that film that I first discovered Ron Paul. Since then I have become friends with Dr. Katherine Albreicht, Joe Bannister, Bob Schulz, and Ed Griffin (all featured in the film) and I have had the distinct honor of meeting Dr. Paul himself when I became one of the lead organizers for the Revolution March.

I've been seriously bitten by the Freedom bug and I will never recover. :)

http://i33.tinypic.com/ve3aex.jpg

I doubt he killed your husband's haircutter BECAUSE he was an illegal immigrant.

Deborah K
11-16-2008, 08:44 PM
I doubt he killed your husband's haircutter BECAUSE he was an illegal immigrant.


If he wasn't in the country illegally, Amy would, no doubt, still be alive.

Deborah K
11-16-2008, 08:46 PM
Espresso?? wow grow a pair woman


:D lol don't go feminist on me!!! twas a joke

LOL! I know, I was playin with ya. :D

danberkeley
11-16-2008, 08:47 PM
If he wasn't in the country illegally, Amy would, no doubt, still be alive.

A legal immigrant could have murdered her just as easily, if not more easily. A legal immigrant could have gone to a legal gunshop bought a gun and ammo legally and murdered Amy.

Paulite
11-16-2008, 08:51 PM
2003-2004 the 9/11 great illusion.

during the documentary they listed 3 members of congress who spoke againts the patriot act

paul wellstone
cinthya mckinney
ron paul.


i didnt know any of them but while searching for truth destiny put them back in front of my face

eric_cartman
11-16-2008, 08:54 PM
9/11 truth for sure. once i learned about 9/11, i started learning about a lot of other things, such as the federal reserve system... and once you learn all this stuff, it makes it easier to see the truth in things. and so obviously, the only candidate worth supporting is Ron Paul... it wasn't difficult to tell that he's the only real politician in the country. if there wasn't a 9/11 attack, i might have been an Obama supporter right now, freaking out over global warming. i'd like to think i would have figured things out sooner or later anyways and ultimately come around to this position... but 9/11 certainly gave me a big launching pad to start learning about the NWO.

Deborah K
11-16-2008, 09:05 PM
A legal immigrant could have murdered her just as easily, if not more easily. A legal immigrant could have gone to a legal gunshop bought a gun and ammo legally and murdered Amy.

Dan, I guess we're not going to agree on this. Statistics show that illegal immigrants kill an average of 25 Americans a day. Americans that might still be alive if we did a better job securing our borders. Add that up since 911. Eight major hospitals in California alone have closed because of illegals. Texas has even more. They are using our social services, schools, hospitals, they are in our prisons and they take our jobs: longshoremen, trucking, construction, hospitality, landscaping, manufacturing, factory and more. They have 5 million fraudulent mortgages and are significantly contributing to this sub-prime foreclosure disaster. And they don't all pay taxes so that excuse won't fly (not that you personally would use it).

Look, in an economically strong situation, I could care less about who works here as long as everyone who wants a job can get one, but that isn't the case. And this isn't a race issue either. I would be just as upset if the Canadians were doing this to us.

danberkeley
11-16-2008, 09:07 PM
What woke me up? I was never really asleep. But it happened when I began to despise Barack Obama and promised everyone I would vote for Rudy Giuliani in spite on Barack Obama. I began doing research on the Republican candidates. Eventually, I found Dr. Paul and I liked-ed what he said. Paul led me to Rothbard and Rockewell. From there, to Mises.org and Dr. Block. Finally, I became a full blown libertarian. So I went from apathetic (the good kind), to minarchist, and finally to libertarian. But as a libertarian, I support Dr. Paul because we share the goal to end the state's tyranny.

danberkeley
11-16-2008, 09:19 PM
Dan, I guess we're not going to agree on this. Statistics show that illegal immigrants kill an average of 25 Americans a day.

And over 90 people die on public (read government) roads everyday. Let's get rid of public roads.



Americans that might still be alive if we did a better job securing our borders. Add that up since 911.

I agree with you. The government has failed to keep its citizens safe. Care to fire them and replace them with someone else? Can you?


Eight major hospitals in California alone have closed because of illegals. Texas has even more. They are using our social services, schools, hospitals, they are in our prisons and they take our jobs: longshoremen, trucking, construction, hospitality, landscaping, manufacturing, factory and more. They have 5 million fraudulent mortgages and are significantly contributing to this sub-prime foreclosure disaster. And they don't all pay taxes so that excuse won't fly (not that you personally would use it).

Yes. You can thank government for that. The government forces private businesses and people to do thing against their will. The government forces you to pay taxes to fail at keeping the border safe, to pay for medical care for illegal immigrants, and to pay for pre-school through college for illegal immigrants. The Fed (read government) caused the housing bubble which, therefore, caused massive illegal immigration into the USA.


Look, in an economically strong situation, I could care less about who works here as long as everyone who wants a job can get one, but that isn't the case. And this isn't a race issue either. I would be just as upset if the Canadians were doing this to us.

Illegal immigrants didnt cause the housing bubble, nor are they cause for the failing economy, nor are they a burden in the failing economy. The government caused this and is making it worse. The illegal immigrants took advantage of the situation just like many legal immigrants and US citizens.

Deborah K
11-16-2008, 09:44 PM
And over 90 people die on public (read government) roads everyday. Let's get rid of public roads.

Sorry but this is just not a viable analogy. People choose to drive on the road. No one chooses to have drunk illegal aliens driving on those same roads. And please, spare me the "there are plenty of American drunks on the road" comeback - that does not justify allowing illegals to stay in this country.


I agree with you. The government has failed to keep its citizens safe. Care to fire them and replace them with someone else? Can you?

Those who I have voted for in my district have tried to uphold immigration laws.


Yes. You can thank government for that. The government forces private businesses and people to do thing against their will. The government forces you to pay taxes to fail at keeping the border safe, to pay for medical care for illegal immigrants, and to pay for pre-school through college for illegal immigrants. The Fed (read government) caused the housing bubble which, therefore, caused massive illegal immigration into the USA.

Yes! Government is responsible. This is by design because they wish to merge us with mexico and canada.


Illegal immigrants didnt cause the housing bubble, nor are they cause for the failing economy, nor are they a burden in the failing economy. The government caused this and is making it worse. The illegal immigrants took advantage of the situation just like many legal immigrants and US citizens

I didn't state that illegals CAUSED the housing bubble. I stated that they significantly contributed to it. There is no denying it. The illegals may not be aware of the damage they are causing but they are causing it nonetheless. Are you implying that the ends justifys the means???

Austin
11-16-2008, 09:56 PM
Initially, 9/11 truth movement.
Then, Freedom to Fascism
Then, Ron Paul vs Giuliani

Original_Intent
11-16-2008, 09:57 PM
JBS late 80's.

As TSHTF, I'll may become ready for the Blue Pill - "hook me back up", 'cause it's not gonna be pretty.

Pretty much same here. My folks had planted some seeds and when I hooked up with my local JBS chapter, I was pretty awake after a few meetings. Been a fan of Ron Paul for a long time. subscribed to his Freedom Reports for a few years.

danberkeley
11-16-2008, 10:13 PM
Sorry but this is just not a viable analogy. People choose to drive on the road. No one chooses to have drunk illegal aliens driving on those same roads. And please, spare me the "there are plenty of American drunks on the road" comeback - that does not justify allowing illegals to stay in this country.

There are plenty of American drunks on the road. :p


Those who I have voted for in my district have tried to uphold immigration laws.

Immigration laws are anti-freedom. Why do I need permission from the government to have someone from another country on my property?


Yes! Government is responsible. This is by design because they wish to merge us with mexico and canada.

I know it's semantics, but the USA has been trying to take over Mexico and Canada since the begining. Read: We Have Met the North American Union
by Anthony Gregory (http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory145.html)


I didn't state that illegals CAUSED the housing bubble. I stated that they significantly contributed to it. There is no denying it. The illegals may not be aware of the damage they are causing but they are causing it nonetheless. Are you implying that the ends justifys the means???

I was implying that the government caused the mess. The illegals simply rode along.

danberkeley
11-16-2008, 10:15 PM
Pretty much same here. My folks had planted some seeds and when I hooked up with my local JBS chapter, I was pretty awake after a few meetings. Been a fan of Ron Paul for a long time. subscribed to his Freedom Reports for a few years.

I'm surprised that JBS doesnt really have in a chapter in the San Francisco metropolitan area.

James Madison
11-16-2008, 10:43 PM
It was 9/11 for me, too. Back in my early high school days I was definitely caught up in the left/right paradigm, but as luck would have it I one day stumbled upon Alex Jones' website. Once I did my own research on 9/11 it was pretty much no going back from there.

AdamT
11-16-2008, 10:50 PM
It was 9/11 for me, too. Back in my early high school days I was definitely caught up in the left/right paradigm, but as luck would have it I one day stumbled upon Alex Jones' website. Once I did my own research on 9/11 it was pretty much no going back from there.

Yep. Once you listen to a couple weeks of full AJ shows, there's really no going back.

Theocrat
11-16-2008, 11:19 PM
For me, it began with a visit at this website (http://www.cuttingedge.org/) several years ago.

Pauls' Revere
11-16-2008, 11:24 PM
Folgers.

Instant or decaf?

MelissaCato
11-17-2008, 05:17 AM
September 11 2008 woke me up. I don't know a single fireman who agrees the planes brought down the two big towers. They all say building 7 confirms it .. :rolleyes:

... where is the gold ? Noone found the gold yet. :confused:

The first time I ever heard a Ron Paul speech .. I was hooked. Prolly about a year and ahalf ago on youtube. :D

jeepndesert
11-17-2008, 11:25 AM
I quit politics and stayed away from television since 2002, which allowed for deprogramming, especially in the realm of libertarianism because I consumed a lot of it.

I had a casual conversation with a movie producer/director where he brought up Ron Paul and libertarianism like it was something cool. Took me by surprise.

I completely stayed away from politics with only an occasional peak at cable news if someone happens to have it on television.

This was in early summer, late spring during the heat of the Ron Paul revolution, and I said, "Ron Paul, the Texas Congressman who ran for President as a Libertarian way back in 1980-something?" He seemed shocked and was like, "he's running for President now."

Later, I was stumbling around YouTube looking into aliens and UFOs. I came across Ring of Power and Zeitgeist.

Then, everything hit me, and I realized I needed to start paying attention again to politics.

Elwar
11-17-2008, 11:30 AM
Harry Browne

Truth Warrior
11-17-2008, 11:37 AM
Reality!!! ;)

wizardwatson
11-17-2008, 11:45 AM
It's great that people can think of moments that really helped them along their way of understanding truth and reality, but there is always more to learn.



“If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.” -Bruce Lee

In fact I think I'll make this one my new signature.

Truth Warrior
11-17-2008, 11:49 AM
It's great that people can think of moments that really helped them along their way of understanding truth and reality, but there is always more to learn.



In fact I think I'll make this one my new signature.

"In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits." -- John C. Lilly

lodge939
11-17-2008, 12:03 PM
Peter Schiff on FBN.

PatriotLegion
11-17-2008, 12:12 PM
Illegal Immigration back 6 or 7 years ago - also even more on ALIPAC.com and then more on the NAU and so on and so on....

Truth Warrior
11-17-2008, 12:15 PM
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/red-pill-or-blue-pill.jpg

BenIsForRon
11-17-2008, 12:30 PM
The patriot act. I was like "wait a second, is this necessary?"

s35wf
11-17-2008, 12:55 PM
how i found the good doctor???

I got really sick and ended up giving up on regular "medical" establishment. started reading alot online, everything from naturalnews.com to rense.com

really realized that 911 was definitely an inside job. came across alex jones, connie fogal from cap, just kept reading & watching documentarys, came across from freedom to facisem, havent stopped reading or learning yet. somehow came across the good doctor grilling greenspan along with the info on patriot act, etc... been hooked ever since.

at about the same time my aunt (who lives in houston & had always been a republican) had mentioned him also. :)

SnappleLlama
11-17-2008, 12:56 PM
Ron Paul in the Republican Primary debates.

Dary
11-17-2008, 02:45 PM
For me it was Newt Gingrich and his fellow republican's inability to pass a 1 percent (one penny on the dollar) across the board spending cut.

That was the last straw. I began seeking out alternative political parties. I found the libertarians. I learned about Harry Browne, Peter McWilliams and Ron Paul.

Srg1
11-17-2008, 02:47 PM
Around 15.Nafta,Travelling through guatemala.Listening to bands such as rage against the machine. reading alot of books.Learning about zionism and ww2 learning about ancient history.Can see the matrix everyday in life now.As for ron paul i seen him before on tv thought he was pretty cool.But i really got into him because of hearing him on the alex jones show.

polomertz
11-17-2008, 03:16 PM
Somewhere around 2000-2001. One of my friends freshman year of college was from Saudi Arabia. Lets just say that he had a slightly different perspective than I did at the time. Before 9/11 we would actually joke with each other about terrorists from his country and the imperialism of the U.S. I haven't been the same since.

JeNNiF00F00
11-17-2008, 03:22 PM
Pot.

For years I avoided trying this wonderful plant out of fear of becoming some degenerate drug addict, until a friend finally convinced me. As soon as I'd tried it, I realized I'd been lied to. I became enamored with the war on drugs, and pushed it into every discussion I could, even as far as taping a debate over it on the school broadcast which was then censored in favor of some football shit.

As soon as I heard that a republican was running in opposition to the drug war, I had to check him out. Reading his writings on capitalism and sound money quickly steered me away from socialism, and the rest is history.

lol same. "this is it?! THEY LIEEEEE!!!"

mediahasyou
11-17-2008, 03:32 PM
Youtube.

After watching Ron Paul videos of elib3rty and aravoth.

Then I viewed the St0pandl00k collection and there was no going back.

BCR_9er
11-17-2008, 03:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

dwdollar
11-17-2008, 03:34 PM
1984

JamesButabi
11-17-2008, 04:05 PM
Ron Paul's speeches and logicality along with a skeptical personality where truths are not immediately evident.

Finn
11-17-2008, 06:13 PM
9/11 truth movement. Somehow, it changed my whole life now that I think about it.

Xenophage
11-17-2008, 06:14 PM
A damn alarm clock. I want to go back to sleep.