Ok....So what if Obama is found to be ineligible to the potus?

[KokomoJ0]

Article 2 states:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.


So if it is found that Obama is ineligible prior to the electoral college vote then it seems to me that he would never have obtained the position of president and biden would not have obtained the position of vice president!

It would seem to me according to art 2 that we would then have a nullified election that would have to be completely re-done!

On the other hand if the electors vote him in and it is later found to be that he is ineligible it seems to me that biden would then become president and obama would be out completely because he would also be ineliglble for vice president as well and biden would have to pick a vice president!

It seems to me that this could get really uglee if obama turns out ineligible!

[american.swan]

The electoral college voters can vote for anyone they want.

If there is a problem after the electoral college votes, I am not sure they could fix it.

My solution would be to have the electoral college vote again to solve the problem.

[KokomoJ0]

Then the responsibility falls unto congress and what are the chances that a democratic congress will do the right thing against a democratic president?

Just the thought of this really stinks

[nickcoons]

It seems to me that this could get really uglee if obama turns out ineligible!

What makes you think he's ineligible?

[KokomoJ0]

What makes you think he's ineligible?


Berg Writ of Certiorary to Supreme Court…answer due December 1, 2008 from defendants

Press Release 11-07-08:

US Supreme Court awaits response to Berg Writ of Certiorari from Obama, DNC and co-defendants Saturday, 08 November 2008 04:23
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[KokomoJ0]

Here is more:

24 potential Electors say they’re filing suit demanding evidence Obama
eligibility

Electoral College Electors swear an oath to uphold the US Constitution. Voting
for a presidential candidate, faced with compelling evidence that the candidate
is not eligible to be president, would be a severe violation of constitutional
law. The US Constitution rules. 24 potential Electors have stated that they were
filing suit demanding evidence of Obama’s eligibility.

Article: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/2008-presidential-election
-obama-indonesian-obama-stole-nomination-obama-attempts-to-steal-election-us-con
stitution-electoral-college-electors-chaos-anarchy-electors-must-uphold-constitu
tion/
=======================
Take Action and Contact The Electoral College Electors for your state:

The list of Electors will be posted near the end of November 2008. Go to the
website of the U.S. Electoral College:

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/certificates.html

Click on Certificates of Ascertainment which contains the names of the appointed
electors and the 2008 Presidential Election Certificates for EACH STATE. Some
have contact information and some do not. Contact those that offer information
and communicate to them that:

Electoral College Electors swear an oath to uphold the US Constitution. Voting
for a presidential candidate, Barack Obama, while faced with compelling evidence
that the candidate is not eligible to be president, would be a severe violation
of constitutional law. The US Constitution rules.

What you can do:
1) Copy this email and send it to your U.S. Senators and Congressmen/women
asking them to take up this issue to protect our Constitution!
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

LISTEN TO AUDIO of Kenya Grandmother stating that Obama born in Mombassa Kenya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

Watch This Interview With Attorney Phillip J. Berg who appealed to U.S. Supreme
Court VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT LEFT OR RIGHT. IT IS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.

[nickcoons]

Berg Writ of Certiorary to Supreme Court…answer due December 1, 2008 from defendants

I think it's fair to say that if there was any truth to this, the RNC would have been all over it.

[KokomoJ0]

I think it's fair to say that if there was any truth to this, the RNC would have been all over it.

Little "Presumption" on your part isnt it? You should consider working for the federal government :rolleyes: :)

Not at all, in fact I think its very unfair to say unless you are a fly on the wall and can over hear everything that is being said in the RNC.


Actually this is getting really good and stanky!!!


http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/use1/ObamaRegistrationCrisp1.png

Thanks to reader Matthew at The Change and Experience blog for the translation:

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Photo Documents Barry Soetoro: Indonesian Citizen, Muslim Religion

The AP caption reads: “This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam. (AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)” [NOTE: the AP did verify the photo]

Thanks to reader Matthew at The Change and Experience blog for the translation:

[sevin]

Personally, I'm sick of this stuff about Obama's birth certificate. Even if it's true and he came out publicly and said, "Yes, I wasn't really born in America," most of Congress and all the people who voted for Obama would say, "Well, that's a stupid rule, anyway." The rule would be changed, and he would still become the next president.

Let it go.

[Natalie]

Personally, I'm sick of this stuff about Obama's birth certificate. Even if it's true and he came out publicly and said, "Yes, I wasn't really born in America," most of Congress and all the people who voted for Obama would say, "Well, that's a stupid rule, anyway." The rule would be changed, and he would still become the next president.

Let it go.


True. That's why our government is so lame :mad: They just ignore the Constitution.

[Roxi]

i could be wrong, but im guessing that if you are born in the USA, then spend x amount of years as a child in another country where you have to relinquish your citizenship, but then leave that country and come back to the USA and reclaim your citizenship, your still eligible to the the POTUS

it wasn't his choice to move to indonesia, he was a child

[KokomoJ0]

Personally, I'm sick of this stuff about Obama's birth certificate. Even if it's true and he came out publicly and said, "Yes, I wasn't really born in America," most of Congress and all the people who voted for Obama would say, "Well, that's a stupid rule, anyway." The rule would be changed, and he would still become the next president.

Let it go.


So you wouldnt object to osama bin laden becoming president then?

[fedup100]

Personally, I'm sick of this stuff about Obama's birth certificate. Even if it's true and he came out publicly and said, "Yes, I wasn't really born in America," most of Congress and all the people who voted for Obama would say, "Well, that's a stupid rule, anyway." The rule would be changed, and he would still become the next president.

Let it go.

Your are absolutely correct. Now this does not mean our government is lame though, it means our government is,


TREASONOUS!

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

A must read for those who truly believe BO is honest:

ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN


Techdude delivers a final report that exceeds my wildest expectations. It is irrefutable, empirical evidence - Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. Why? Why a COLB (certificate of live birth) forgery? That is the question.

[Dr.3D]

So you wouldnt object to osama bin laden becoming president then?

You seem to assume sevin is one of those people who voted for Obama.

Read what he said again and think about what he is saying.

If the majority of people were stupid enough to vote for Osama Bin Laden, then the same thing would happen. Like it or not.

[KokomoJ0]

You seem to assume sevin is one of those people who voted for Obama.

Read what he said again and think about what he is saying.

If the majority of people were stupid enough to vote for Osama Bin Laden, then the same thing would happen. Like it or not.


I dont assume anything, if it was sarcasm you are correct I did not catch it, but from the post in itself I had no reason to pick that up as I do not follow everyone on the board.

Sure and like most everything else that the gubberment does, they break the rules of the American Republic so they can fix them with the new socialist rules under the color of Law! Been going on very obviously since the turn of the last century.

I am not so sure its a case where the American people were that stoopid as opposed to a fraud perpetrated onto the American people by the people entrusted to "protect and preserve" the constitution, not burn it.

[nickcoons]

Little "Presumption" on your part isnt it?

Yes, a little, but it's reasonably-founded. If the Republican Party could have voided Obama's eligibility, thereby giving their candidate a huge advantage, they very likely would have done it.

[Aratus]

gridlock and or otherwise, in 1868 our potus asked for a 40 day interum
so he could prepare his defense... for his firing of sec' stanton!!!

seems to me a potus has to be a potus before a potus before he can be thought to be
in a conflict with our constitution... via any oval office decisions!!!

[juice797]

I see this from a different angle.

There are two main possibilities regarding the Obama birth certificate issue:

1 - It fades away as a non-issue, no one cares, nothing happens.

2 - It becomes an issue, and of course the argument for denying Obama the presidency is an argument from the CONSTITUTION, so then what happens is all of Obama's supporters see how idiotic and outdated the Constitution is, and all future Constitutional arguments are instantly invalidated. This is the same situation we have currently regarding states' rights, as occurs if you try to make an argument based on them. You are immediately discounted as a Jim Crowe law whiner, even if the issue has nothing to do with race. So any argument using "states' rights" is now invalid.

Just think what would happen if Obama were denied the presidency because of a "goddamned piece of paper".

Every argument based on the Constitution from that point forward would be invalid in the eyes of the ignorant.

[Aratus]

what if the thingie right now that is mere speculation and g.o.p fox-and-the-grapes-itus
today is ACHINGLY for real and bona fide, meaning Biden becomes our potus, and then
we learn OBAMA can't be re-elected? this would and could be a commotion and then some!!!:eek:

PICTURE MITT ROMNEY AND HILLARY CLINTON GETTING POTOMAC FEVER! HECK... I'D OPT
SARAH PALIN A.S.A.P IF THERE ARE NO OTHER CHOISES! THE LANDSCAPE WOULD BE IN A CHAOS!!!

[bojo68]

Personally, I'm sick of this stuff about Obama's birth certificate. Even if it's true and he came out publicly and said, "Yes, I wasn't really born in America," most of Congress and all the people who voted for Obama would say, "Well, that's a stupid rule, anyway." The rule would be changed, and he would still become the next president.

Let it go.

The process for that is called a constitutional ammendment, and takes a minimum of 38 states in agreement, as well as a constitutional convention. "Let it go" is not an option.

[sevin]

You seem to assume sevin is one of those people who voted for Obama.

Read what he said again and think about what he is saying.

If the majority of people were stupid enough to vote for Osama Bin Laden, then the same thing would happen. Like it or not.

Exactly. I didn't vote for Obama. I'm just saying that trying to stop him from becoming president by questioning his birth certificate is a waste of energy. Sadly, his presidency is inevitable. And right now, all the people that would most likely take Obama's place are horrible, too.

Instead we should focus our energy on educating people about how much they're being ripped off by the banks and corporations and how corrupt the system is. Too few people understand what's really going on. Claiming Obama isn't a real citizen just makes us look crazy.

[KokomoJ0]

Exactly. I didn't vote for Obama. I'm just saying that trying to stop him from becoming president by questioning his birth certificate is a waste of energy. Sadly, his presidency is inevitable. And right now, all the people that would most likely take Obama's place are horrible, too.

Instead we should focus our energy on educating people about how much they're being ripped off by the banks and corporations and how corrupt the system is. Too few people understand what's really going on. Claiming Obama isn't a real citizen just makes us look crazy.

huh? So your solution to fixing one version of constitutional corruption is to condone by acquiescence another part of constitutional corruption?

That is incorrect, his presidency is NOT inevitable! The electoral college has not voted yet and they have sworn to uphold and protect the constitution. The supreme court justices do not take an oath "believe it or not" to uphold and preserve the constitution yet they are the presumed protectors of the constitution!

Write to your secretary of state in a hard copy letter and get it notarized! That is important to do it right. If you know how compose a Common Law notice and demand for performance and send it to htem and every one of your electors!!! Read Bergs case and list his concerns as your concerns as well or just include a copy, demand and investigation by the sec of state and your electors prior to their voting on nov 15th and insist that they uphold the constitution!! Its not inevitable!

24 potential Electors say they’re filing suit demanding evidence Obama
eligibility

Electoral College Electors swear an oath to uphold the US Constitution. Voting
for a presidential candidate, faced with compelling evidence that the candidate
is not eligible to be president, would be a severe violation of constitutional
law. The US Constitution rules. 24 potential Electors have stated that they were
filing suit demanding evidence of Obama’s eligibility.

Article: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/2008-presidential-election
-obama-indonesian-obama-stole-nomination-obama-attempts-to-steal-election-us-con
stitution-electoral-college-electors-chaos-anarchy-electors-must-uphold-constitu
tion/
=======================
Take Action and Contact The Electoral College Electors for your state:

The list of Electors will be posted near the end of November 2008. Go to the
website of the U.S. Electoral College:

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/certificates.html

Click on Certificates of Ascertainment which contains the names of the appointed
electors and the 2008 Presidential Election Certificates for EACH STATE. Some
have contact information and some do not. Contact those that offer information
and communicate to them that:

Electoral College Electors swear an oath to uphold the US Constitution. Voting
for a presidential candidate, Barack Obama, while faced with compelling evidence
that the candidate is not eligible to be president, would be a severe violation
of constitutional law. The US Constitution rules.

What you can do:
1) Copy this email and send it to your U.S. Senators and Congressmen/women
asking them to take up this issue to protect our Constitution!
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

LISTEN TO AUDIO of Kenya Grandmother stating that Obama born in Mombassa Kenya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

Watch This Interview With Attorney Phillip J. Berg who appealed to U.S. Supreme
Court VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT LEFT OR RIGHT. IT IS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.

[pcosmar]

I think it's fair to say that if there was any truth to this, the RNC would have been all over it.

Why, ???
They have the EXACT same bosses. The same agenda. And the same marching orders from the same power brokers as the Dems.

Why would they rock their own boat?

[pcosmar]

Yes, a little, but it's reasonably-founded. If the Republican Party could have voided Obama's eligibility, thereby giving their candidate a huge advantage, they very likely would have done it.

You give way too much credit to a bunch of CORRUPT politicians.

[Aratus]

did mccain agree to NARROWLY loose this election so the "W" could slip out of town to crawford???

we came very close to having a second commission report after folks surmised ommissions in the first one...

please do not totally label me a fringe person if i sound too truther about this all... its just that there were a few

deeper questions g.w bush was never directly asked. i assume hayden's cia head honco briefing of obama went well...

[nickcoons]

Why, ???
They have the EXACT same bosses. The same agenda. And the same marching orders from the same power brokers as the Dems.

Why would they rock their own boat?

Perhaps the people at the very top, but the party loyalists will take every avenue to fight tooth-and-nail for their party's nominee.


You give way too much credit to a bunch of CORRUPT politicians.

Corrupt politicians are usually highly intelligent. If they weren't, then the fact that they're corrupt wouldn't matter as much.

[sevin]

huh? So your solution to fixing one version of constitutional corruption is to condone by acquiescence another part of constitutional corruption?

[COLOR="Blue"]That is incorrect, his presidency is NOT inevitable!

Okay, then who do you expect to take his place?

[KokomoJ0]

Okay, then who do you expect to take his place?

If he is found ineligible prior to the electors voting then it appears to me that the election would have to be rerun. I personally think it should start all over from the beginning complete with primaries and the whole shot if he is found to be ineligible and let the chips fall where they may.

Those that made big investments will learn to check their investment out a bit better next time.

[Theocrat]

If Obama is allowed to be POTUS (even though it's found he's not a naturalized citizen), then that may lead the way for other non-naturalized candidates, like Arnold "The Governator" Schwartzenegger, to run for POTUS in the future, as this movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUiiO8UOs4) predicted a long time ago...

[libertarian4321]

So you wouldnt object to osama bin laden becoming president then?

Thats and irrelevant argument.

Obama was elected by the American people.

Osama bin Laden would not be elected.

Hence, stupid argument.

Frankly, I think the "natural born" requirement is both unclear (e.g. its not even clear that Barry Goldwater and John McCain were "natural born" citizens) and pointless- a lot of "naturalized" citizens are much better citizens than native born. I believe that a lot of naturalized citizens (those born abroad) are far more appreciative of what we have here in the USA than many of the utterly clueless sheep that are born here. However, it should be done by the proper amendment process.

[anaconda]

Barry Soetoro.."male prostitute..."

[lodge939]

Just stop this stupid crap.

[Anti Federalist]

Birth certificate aside, it seems clear to me that BO's mother did not satisfy recency status for the time required after the age of 16 for natural born citizen status to be applied to any of her children born before she turned 19.

Of course, she was 18 when BO was born.

That being said, I'd be flabbergasted if anything came of this.

BO is the perfect NWO puppet, and let's face it, when was the last time the government paid any mind to the constitution in any meaningful way?

[SnappleLlama]

I think this issue is pretty important, though I fear nothing will come of it. It actually wouldn't be a big deal if the Obama camp had just produced the damn birth certificate from the start. Their actions make me suspicious.

[lodge939]

I think this issue is pretty important, though I fear nothing will come of it. It actually wouldn't be a big deal if the Obama camp had just produced the damn birth certificate from the start. Their actions make me suspicious.For the same reason Sarah Palin didnt do a DNA test to prove Trig was her baby.

[SnappleLlama]

For the same reason Sarah Palin didnt do a DNA test to prove Trig was her baby.

Which is?

:confused:

[lodge939]

Which is?

:confused:The premise is ridiculous and offensive

[Smiley Gladhands]

The premise is ridiculous and offensive

Upholding the constitution is ridiculous and offensive?

[Smiley Gladhands]

For the same reason Sarah Palin didnt do a DNA test to prove Trig was her baby.

Why in the hell would Palin have to do a DNA test to prove Trig was her baby? Where in the Constitution does it say anything about DNA tests to confirm parenthood of children of future Vice Presidents?

[SnappleLlama]

The premise is ridiculous and offensive

I'm not offended. :p

Seriously, though, why would Obama be offended? There was some confusion about McCain's nationality, as well, and he had to prove the same thing. I don't understand why proving he's qualified to be POTUS is offensive. There's some mystery surrounding his true birthplace. I think that's a pretty important issue, that's all. :)

[lodge939]

There's no mystery. Even conservative blogs have debunked this kooky nonsense.

[anaconda]

There's no mystery. Even conservative blogs have debunked this kooky nonsense.
Reply With Quote

Link?

[anaconda]

There's no mystery. Even conservative blogs have debunked this kooky nonsense.
Reply With Quote

Link?

[Smiley Gladhands]

There's no mystery. Even conservative blogs have debunked this kooky nonsense.

No mystery? In which hospital was BHO born? If there's no mystery, it should be easy to answer that question.

Even conservative blogs? Oh my goodness! If 'conservative blogs' say something, then it must be true. Case closed. The conservative blogs have spoken.

[melissa22]

I hope the P.O.S. is afro-turfed. lloll

[Smiley Gladhands]

The thing that bugs me most about this case is that the judge ruling in the Berg case said that Berg has no standing to question BHO's eligibility to run for POTUS. He said that individual US citizens are not harmed by having an ineligible person serve as president, so they cannot bring suit against a candidate even if it is known will 100% certainty that the person is not eligible to serve as president.

This is just another case of institutionalized ignorance of the Constitution. Whether you think BHO was born in the US or not, you should be disturbed by the fact that you as a US citizen have no legal standing to question his eligibility. There is also no formal process for confirming the eligibility of candidates.

That is the greatest tragedy here. It's just another case of ignoring the rules laid-out by the Constitution. And it's disturbing that even questioning his eligibility gets you labeled as a loon, when the labeler himself knows very little about the details of the case and uses a factcheck entry as absolute proof that the case is closed. It's a shame to see such blatant ignoring of the Constitution.

Although I'm glad that the issue can be discussed more openly here, as opposed to some of the other sites I visit.

[Volitzer]

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html

[KokomoJ0]

The thing that bugs me most about this case is that the judge ruling in the Berg case said that Berg has no standing to question BHO's eligibility to run for POTUS. He said that individual US citizens are not harmed by having an ineligible person serve as president, so they cannot bring suit against a candidate even if it is known will 100% certainty that the person is not eligible to serve as president.

This is just another case of institutionalized ignorance of the Constitution. Whether you think BHO was born in the US or not, you should be disturbed by the fact that you as a US citizen have no legal standing to question his eligibility. There is also no formal process for confirming the eligibility of candidates.

That is the greatest tragedy here. It's just another case of ignoring the rules laid-out by the Constitution. And it's disturbing that even questioning his eligibility gets you labeled as a loon, when the labeler himself knows very little about the details of the case and uses a factcheck entry as absolute proof that the case is closed. It's a shame to see such blatant ignoring of the Constitution.

Although I'm glad that the issue can be discussed more openly here, as opposed to some of the other sites I visit.



I dont think its ignorance of the constitution as much as it is complacency and ignorance as to what our naughty gubberment has done.

US Supreme Court:
U.S. v. Rhodes, 27 Fed Cases 785, 794: "The amendment [14th] reversed and annulled the original policy of the constitution"

State v. Manuel, 20 NC 122: "the term `citizen' in the United States, is analogous to the term `subject' in common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government."

That Means: citizens of the United States are the equivalent of feudal subjects, & the Bill of Rights does not apply to you because you cannot defend them under the Common Law!


Long story short; the federal gubberment lost its sovereignty when it went into receivership in 1938 as a result of fdr declaring them bankrupt in 1933. Like any other corporation the powers then default to those who have interest in it. Ironically that is precisely the exact same time that the gubberment offered the people of the US the opportunity to join social security which gave the federal gubberment the authority to review everyones finances so they could assess their benefits and how much they had to pay in! This made it "voluntary" and very legal!

The constitution is a Common Law Declaration that declares the people above the subservient government and enumerates very limited authority to our government. A government is only valid if by consent of the governed.

That Common Law Declaration has been circumvented when they put our country into receivership. (as if the people of the states did not have enough property and money to pull the feds out of receivership, we were never asked or given the opportunity of redemption)

It was also the beginning of the institution of the present fiat at interest money monopoly of the federal reserve corporation!

Go visit, as in anywhere in the US and tell an attorney you want a common law hearing on some matter and a dumbfounded look will come over his face....duhwha?

So the feds and the states followed, have replaced our common law based form of government with a merchant form of government and they wrote what is called the UCC and went through pains to try and make it align itself to the common law, hence our judicial now follows the rules and procedures of international admiralty law. That is the law of the sea, maritime law as a result of our bankruptcy. Of course one small problem is that in admiralty law rights are reduced in law to privileges. Privileges are given by one man to another, Rights are inalienable and are given by God and are nonconvertible man. Hence the Articles of Conferderation, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence. The 3 greatest Masterpeices in Law ever created!

So Admiralty law doesnt sound to threatening but the problem of course as you can see above, is that it converted our rights into privileges, hence the reason these assholes in gubberment can give themselves immunity and literally do whatever they want and call it "legal". However its not "Lawful". AND THE COURTS KNOW THIS!

Long sordid sad story folks but there it is. Try using a court case pre-1933 in a court room and see how far it get you!

That is why the constitution is said to be only a piece of paper, or like obmama and the socialists all call it a "social contract", anything to demean it as meaningless and promote the ongoing changes in gubberment and law.

The constitution is not a piece of paper. It is a Declaration in Law, in the Common Law, the conclusions in Law of the second official court of the "States united", in which this country was founded upon. (articles of confederation being the first)

Now if you all give that a moments thought and line what I said up with the course this country has gone on and continues to go it should become painfully obvious that our government has been usurped a long time ago and the puppet part of the gubberment is actually the result of going into receivership.

Using admiralty law now gave the gubberment authority to impose on you as a matter of "presumtion". It is presumed that you owe and must pay federal income tax.

That is why if you look at our history, any time the value of our money went up to a dollar we had a war, which in turn put us back in debt, which in turn insured we stay in receivership, which in turn insures we remain a puppet government.

Through Admiralty law they have all but completely wiped out the "Sovereign" Man of the Land in this country and they use the corporations to enforce it! "I am sorry sir but we must have your social security number if you want to work for us"!!!!!

Only Sovereign people can create a Sovereign State, government or nation!

Slaves do not rule Sovereigns, slaves, (which according to Common Law you all are, [14th amendment], cannot create Law, slaves cannot create that which is higher than themselves. Only a Sovereign can create Law by the consent of other Sovereigns, or to the slaves below. Slavery today is in the form of bond slavery btw. No we are not in chains and beaten.

The creator is above the created! We created the government not the other way around. Hence as the creators we have Lawful Rights over the government, they have the privileges yet they have immunity from us????

911 is another turning point in law, where the emphasis is now being pulled away from admiralty law to positive law, or coercive law.

Some of you will see where this is going, but most of you will be in shock and awe and go into instant denial. The socialists and cointel will launch an all out attack on me for outting them and the name calling will commence! So come and git some! http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/boxing-1.gif

So anyway there you have it. Next time you say or hear it said, "why did the gubberment do something so stoopid", how can they have immunity, etc etc etc, well remember what I said above, thats why. Its not stoopid at all its simply not in your venue its in theirs.

Not only taxation with little to no representation, but also judicial with little to no representation. Surrick, the federal court ruled that Berg had no standing to sue obama and the DNC et al claiming:

"…regardless of questions of causation, the grievance remains too generalized to establish the existence of an injury in fact. To reiterate: a candidate’s ineligibility under the Natural Born Citizen Clause does not result in an injury in fact to voters. By extension, the theoretical constitutional harm experienced by voters does not change as the candidacy of an allegedly ineligible candidate progresses from the primaries to the general election."

See what I mean? No standing? Have to go to congress for redress of grievances in constitutional issues? They will send you back to the courts!

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[KokomoJ0]

Birth certificate aside, it seems clear to me that BO's mother did not satisfy recency status for the time required after the age of 16 for natural born citizen status to be applied to any of her children born before she turned 19.

Of course, she was 18 when BO was born.

That being said, I'd be flabbergasted if anything came of this.

BO is the perfect NWO puppet, and let's face it, when was the last time the government paid any mind to the constitution in any meaningful way?

Thats another problem, and along with that his grandma claims she was present at his birth in kenya!

McCain is equally an NWO puppet as a result of his activities in nam which I understand are now sealed to the public as well.

Can we really say government OF the people?

[IrateNation]

A no win situation. If he is found ineligible and prevented from taking office there would be massive rioting here. Allow him in and the Hell with the Constitution. Some conspiracy theorists believe this may have been planned to create rioting and civil unrest so we will lose more of our freedoms as Martial Law or similar action may be deemed necessary.

[Truth Warrior]

Saint Hillary rides to the rescue just in the nick of time. <SWAG!> :D

[Man from La Mancha]

Couldn't the electoral collage vote for Ron Paul, if Obama is shown not qualified?

[torchbearer]

Couldn't the electoral collage vote for Ron Paul, if Obama is shown not qualified?

they could vote for anyone they want, even if they weren't running at all.
It is their vote, and they have the only votes that count.

[Man from La Mancha]

they could vote for anyone they want, even if they weren't running at all.
It is their vote, and they have the only votes that count.


I don't think Ron ever dropped out he just quite actively campaigning

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[torchbearer]

I don't think Ron ever dropped out he just quite actively campaigning

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that must be an aside to my post. i was stating it is irrelevant if the person is running or not... or even if they are alive or real....
elector's choice.
Now, since these electors are die hard obama supporters for the most part, that tells you where their thinking is... and it isn't more freedom.

[Man from La Mancha]

that must be an aside to my post. i was stating it is irrelevant if the person is running or not... or even if they are alive or real....
elector's choice.
Now, since these electors are die hard obama supporters for the most part, that tells you where their thinking is... and it isn't more freedom.

Agreed, they are just a bunch of memorized sheeple that vote for a hollow American Idol. Though you never know some might start waking up.

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[MadEmperor]

I honestly wish some of the people that are posting on this forum wouldn't associate themselves with Ron Paul...
You make the whole movement look like crazies...

I bet 1/2 of you are the same nuts that said John McCain Couldn't qualify...

Obama won, just get on with it and stop crying about it god.

[Pepsi]

Ralph Nader did came in third place. I am sure Dr. No would not mine having him as President..

[slacker921]

I honestly wish some of the people that are posting on this forum wouldn't associate themselves with Ron Paul...
You make the whole movement look like crazies...

I bet 1/2 of you are the same nuts that said John McCain Couldn't qualify...

Obama won, just get on with it and stop crying about it god.

If McCain was eligible from the get-go then why did Clinton and Obama sponsor a bill to bend the rules a bit to allow him to run (http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/05/01/clinton-obama-sponsor-mccain-citizenship-bill/)? Eh?

My take on it? .. you're partly right. We should just get on with this and accept the fact that he won and that even if he admits he's not a natural born US citizen and not eligible to be POTUS his supporters, Congress, etc will change the rules to make him eligible. Let the Palin supporters pitch a tantrum and wave signs in the streets and throw snowballs for a change.

[libertarian4321]

If for any reason Obama can't become President prior to Jan 20, the selection process varies depending on the date.

In no instance, however, will a Republican be selected, That includes Ron Paul for those getting themselves all worked up about another nutty "Ron Paul is going to be President" fantasy.

The 2008 election is over, folks. Obama won, McCain lost, and Ron Paul was out of the running a long time ago. Time to start thinking about 2012.

[bojo68]

If for any reason Obama can't become President prior to Jan 20, the selection process varies depending on the date.

In no instance, however, will a Republican be selected, That includes Ron Paul for those getting themselves all worked up about another nutty "Ron Paul is going to be President" fantasy.

The 2008 election is over, folks. Obama won, McCain lost, and Ron Paul was out of the running a long time ago. Time to start thinking about 2012.

As par usual, your full of it again. The election is not over, and nobody has won. Electoral votes are what elect the president, and they have not been cast yet.

Do you EVER have any corelation to reality with your opinions?

[cheapseats]

If he's not eligible, he's not eligible.

Ditto, Clinton at State.