Mainstream media in Phoenix, must see!

[qwerty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZqO40YKxP8

[AlexAmore]

I dunno, those signs looked like graffiti (more than the usual revolution signs)...not giving a very presidential look, but more of a fringe look. I know Ron Paul is different than the cookie cutter presidential candidates, but somewhere we need to draw a line that we aren't going to promote Ron Paul like some DJ or Rock station.

http://www.town.stoneville.nc.us/images/twcnts2.gif

[Sematary]

I dunno, those signs looked like graffiti (more than the usual revolution signs)...not giving a very presidential look, but more of a fringe look. I know Ron Paul is different than the cookie cutter presidential candidates, but somewhere we need to draw a line that we aren't going to promote Ron Paul like some DJ or Rock station.

http://www.town.stoneville.nc.us/images/twcnts2.gif

why?

[Thunderbolt]

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[Akus]

AlexAmore, I share your POV.

[Corydoras]

I loved them! And the videography is great, too!

[AlexAmore]

why?

Just like why businesses spend so much of their time and money in marketing...to promote a beneficial look for them. Are these signs promoting a beneficial look for Ron Paul to the average joe?

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1272/ronpaulsignsuh6.png
Are these signs projecting Ron Paul as presidential material? First tier? Civilized? Mainstream?

I'm not knocking the effort in putting up signs all over the place. I'm just questioning the sign itself.

[McDermit]

Depending on the reaction locally, you may need to adjust your methods a bit. And I'd try to avoid overly controversial subject matter... That stuff should be left out unless requested or highly targeted.

Wonderful effort. You just have to be careful to not let the excitement take over. Harness it and use it in the most effective manner you can. :)

[james1906]

I dunno, those signs looked like graffiti (more than the usual revolution signs)...not giving a very presidential look, but more of a fringe look. I know Ron Paul is different than the cookie cutter presidential candidates, but somewhere we need to draw a line that we aren't going to promote Ron Paul like some DJ or Rock station.

http://www.town.stoneville.nc.us/images/twcnts2.gif

So even though I'm voting for Ron Paul, I'm not getting Bon Jovi tickets?

[qwerty]

Just like why businesses spend so much of their time and money in marketing...to promote a beneficial look for them. Are these signs promoting a beneficial look for Ron Paul to the average joe?

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1272/ronpaulsignsuh6.png
Are these signs projecting Ron Paul as presidential material? First tier? Civilized? Mainstream?

I'm not knocking the effort in putting up signs all over the place. I'm just questioning the sign itself.


now you totally forget which signs started the WHOLE ron paul revolution, I think those signs are good, cause it shows that there´s a grass root support for Ron!

[AlexAmore]

So even though I'm voting for Ron Paul, I'm not getting Bon Jovi tickets?

You didn't get the memo?

[Corydoras]

Are these signs promoting a beneficial look for Ron Paul to the average joe?

This may be a matter of local tastes. They look fine to me, whereas at least in my neighborhood, ads that look too "professional" are easy to tune out visually, you know, like the way that chain restaurant signs always fade into the background visual noise compared to the signs for locally owned restaurants. But I guess in other areas, these RP signs' creative look might be just too outre. I say judgment call.

[McDermit]

well, plus there is a point where you have to transition. If you've been doing the same style signs for months, and they're no longer effective (or just annoy most people) it might be time to take of to a new level.

[AlexAmore]

now you totally forget which signs started the WHOLE ron paul revolution, I think those signs are good, cause it shows that there´s a grass root support for Ron!

Ok so let's say there is a "Ron Paul Revolution". What defining characteristics is the average joe going to project onto the "Revolution" upon seeing one of those signs? A civilized Revolution? A mainstream revolution? A winning revolution? I think more like a fringe revolution.


This may be a matter of local tastes. They look fine to me, whereas at least in my neighborhood, ads that look too "professional" are easy to tune out visually, you know, like the way that chain restaurant signs always fade into the background visual noise compared to the signs for locally owned restaurants. But I guess in other areas, these RP signs' creative look might be just too outre. I say judgment call.

Are you looking at it completely objectively with no Ron Paul favoritism which already exists in your mind? Try looking at it from a soccer mom's eyes driving her children home. Try looking at it from an elderly person's (who are big voters overall) eyes.
I just don't think it works. Imagine if it said "Romney Revolution"...I doubt you would give it good marks, however because it has "Ron Paul" on it we all get gitty inside because we love to see his name everywhere.

[Ozwest]

Nice work Phoenix! This a grass roots Revolution not a commercialised McRomney corporate paid for event. Quality signs like these show others that Ron Paul supporters will put in the "hard yards"for their man. Forget about the "wet blankets"and continue building on the successes you've already achieved.

[G-khan]

You didn't get the memo?

I think it all depends on where they are going.. For the younger crowd or on a campus they are great. The kids really get fired up using the word revolution, Just like some flyers I saw a while back that focused on legalizing pot. They were great at some rock concerts or others that focus on guns at gun shows?

I personally like the revolution signs and it charges me up and makes me want to be a part of it?

I don't think we will win if we try to run and look like all other candidates do. It is Ron Pauls message that is going to make or break us and it will take all different types of styles and people to spread that message. Some people will respond to different things and ways.

I use different style music with videos to reach different people.

Now Phoenix may not be the best place for this type of sign - some places it would be the best!

If you start telling people they are doing something bad when they put all this effort into RP soon they will do nothing and stop supporting him.

[G-khan]

Ok so let's say there is a "Ron Paul Revolution". What defining characteristics is the average joe going to project onto the "Revolution" upon seeing one of those signs? A civilized Revolution? A mainstream revolution? A winning revolution? I think more like a fringe revolution.



Are you looking at it completely objectively with no Ron Paul favoritism which already exists in your mind? Try looking at it from a soccer mom's eyes driving her children home. Try looking at it from an elderly person's (who are big voters overall) eyes.
I just don't think it works. Imagine if it said "Romney Revolution"...I doubt you would give it good marks, however because it has "Ron Paul" on it we all get gitty inside because we love to see his name everywhere.

Also try and look at it as someone that is sick and tired of this current government and is ready to revolutionize it!

If you set up those normal political signs like all the others no one will notice or decide to find out what it is all about. You know what happens when they go and decide to find out about RP - they get hooked!

[Ozwest]

Some good points G-khan... Most of Ron's supporters are individualists and free thinkers not conformists.

[austin356]

ugh many post on here make me feel a bit sick!!!!

If you plan on running a Romney style campaign then I am out. This is not because I despise order or anything (I have been advocating for official state structure here) but rather because we cannot win fighting with traditional methods.


Homemade signs/banners = Attention = GOOD (all media attention now short of Paul raping children is good)

Homemade signs/banners = Name association = Exactly what we need; "ron paul who" " oh that guy that wants to end the IRS"

[AlexAmore]

Fine. At least if you're going to do it, do it nicely! Those signs looked actually DIRTY and written/colored in by a 7 year old.

Make it nice like these revolution signs:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/ronpaul.jpg
Instead of
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1272/ronpaulsignsuh6.png

I never advocated a Romney style campaign, just not a campaign run by rushed looking signs.

[Chernitsky]

Fine. At least if you're going to do it, do it nicely! Those signs looked actually DIRTY and written/colored in by a 7 year old.

Make it nice like these revolution signs:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/ronpaul.jpg
Instead of
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1272/ronpaulsignsuh6.png

I never advocated a Romney style campaign, just not a campaign run by rushed looking signs.

exactly

[AlexAmore]

ugh many post on here make me feel a bit sick!!!!

If you plan on running a Romney style campaign then I am out. This is not because I despise order or anything (I have been advocating for official state structure here) but rather because we cannot win fighting with traditional methods.


Homemade signs/banners = Attention = GOOD (all media attention now short of Paul raping children is good)

Homemade signs/banners = Name association = Exactly what we need; "ron paul who" " oh that guy that wants to end the IRS"

C'mon, this is no different than Ron Paul supporters who hated the look of Ron Paul's first website, or Ron Paul supporters who didn't like how these forums first looked. Then things changed and people rejoiced, why? Because looks unfortunately are important....especially in a presidential campaign! My grandma loves Romney because he looks strong and manly. Those signs look fringe, not even because of the words on them.

[Ozwest]

AlexAmore... I disagree, the video shows these guys have a efficient, factory-like set-up with quality stencils and they're using a compressor/paint pot which is faster and cheaper than aerosol cans. Some of the "coloring in" was done in a grafittii style. Perhaps this is what bothers you. I reckon "half-assed" is a harsh assesment of some great work done by hard working people who are getting the message out.

[austin356]

exactly



Ok I concede a x2 on this specific issue, but not the broader principle.

[AlexAmore]

AlexAmore... I disagree, the video shows these guys have a efficient, factory-like set-up with quality stencils and they're using a compressor/paint pot which is faster and cheaper than aerosol cans. Some of the "coloring in" was done in a grafittii style. Perhaps this is what bothers you. I reckon "half-assed" is a harsh assesment of some great work done by hard working people who are getting the message out.

Even graffiti can look nice. It can be impressive to even the most uptight egotistical pompous asses.
http://www.sauer-thompson.com/junkforcode/archives/Graffiti1.jpg

But then you get the graffiti that people find annoying and lowers real estate prices...
http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/69/images/graffiti.jpg

Let's give Ron Paul the nice graffiti look.

[qwerty]

Ok so let's say there is a "Ron Paul Revolution".

Yes, there is and the signs like these started the whole thing with the internet.



What defining characteristics is the average joe going to project onto the "Revolution" upon seeing one of those signs?

That the "normal" people who don´t have the millions support him and are making signs with the money from their own pockets.

Perhaps, i should give you few videos which shows how much media coverage these signs have had and how much people talk about these signs.

This is a different kind of campaign and it ahs been all the time, do your own thing but never attack these Phoenix guys. I think the whole Ron Paul revolution started from Phoenix...


A civilized Revolution? A mainstream revolution? A winning revolution? I think more like a fringe revolution.

A gras-root revolution, support from the working class, something which you can´t buy...

[AlexAmore]

Qwerty, I concede that the Revolution Signs are good in general. I just think these ones in particular look run-down and hard to read.

[qwerty]

Qwerty, I concede that the Revolution Signs are good in general. I just think these ones in particular look run-down and hard to read.

Ok

[Ozwest]

AlexAmore, Perhaps a couple of the signs don't belong in a Museum of fine Art. But surely, to criticise a hard working succesful group, as the Phoenix group is, is counter productive. "With friends like you, Who needs enemies?" comes to mind.

[goldenequity]

Keep going!!!!!!
The More the better!!!!!!!!!
Don't Stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(reminds me of a conversation about the "proper" way to fight the British in 1776.....any way you can man, any way you CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) :) :) :)
loved the vid btw.

[lucius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZqO40YKxP8

That was wonderful! DON'T STOP!!!

Your time, your efforts, your materials, your money, your r3vOLution... :D

[AlexAmore]

AlexAmore, Perhaps a couple of the signs don't belong in a Museum of fine Art. But surely, to criticise a hard working succesful group, as the Phoenix group is, is counter productive. "With friends like you, Who needs enemies?" comes to mind.

You guys kept pushing me and pushing me and so yeah my 4th post in I got rude and I edited it quickly after. I think my criticism was justified before that and since.

I was critiscising the signs, but I forgot that "free thinkers" can't take critiscism without a hissy fit and accusing me of directing a...grassroots effort *GASP* The HORROR *GASP*.

Now i'm a blasphemous heathen.

[Dlynne]

Surely there is a place for both grassroots efforts as well as a traditional and organized campaign. It is the grassroots efforts that launched Ron Paul to where the campaign is today.

I say good work, Phoenix.

[mavtek]

Call me nuts, but I thought the signs were fine for the most part, maybe get rid of the pro life one, but if your area is heavily pro life maybe it's no big deal.

Anyway it's all about the name Ron Paul to me. Get people asking their friends and family who Ron Paul is, I saw some banner on the interstate, have you heard anything?

This is what we need.

[Lois]

The video was Great!

The signs are Great!

Thank you so much for doing this for Ron Paul!

How dare anyone criticize others, unless he/she has spent that many hours and effort making and putting up that many signs in their own neighborhood.

(Get rid of the Pro-Life sign, because that issue takes explaining.) :)

[constituent]

to- alexamore, akus, and thunderbolt

i guess this means you'll just have to work that much
harder to get your PROFESSIONAL looking signs
plastered around your town to make sure you
counter all of their work...

i believe it was 200 signs they said?

nose to the grindstone, better get busy.
no time to complain, get to work...
gotta prove he's "presidential" and
not a "dj or rockstar"

[Revolution9]

promote Ron Paul like some DJ or Rock station.



Yeah.. All those guys are always singing or playing songs that will close the IRS and have doctors behind them..

What a bunch of wet dishrag obfuscating and enthusiasm damping whiners..

Phoenix crew rocks!

Randy

[Revolution9]

You guys kept pushing me and pushing me and so yeah my 4th post in I got rude and I edited it quickly after. I think my criticism was justified before that and since.

I was critiscising the signs, but I forgot that "free thinkers" can't take critiscism without a hissy fit and accusing me of directing a...grassroots effort *GASP* The HORROR *GASP*.

Now i'm a blasphemous heathen.

Free thinkers realize your mind is trapped in a prison of conformity. They do not wish to participate having decided that free is where their thinking is meant to be. Try it sometime..then get a grip on it and make it yours. Then you will undertand the Phoenix crew. And may stop with the low level condescension gambits that are failing you so miserably at the moment.

Randy

[Captain Shays]

The point is to get people familiar with the name RON PAUL.

Great signs people. Keep it up. Ron paul isn't of the pretty haircut crowd anyway.

No fancy glossy tri-folds @ $3.00 per copy because we get money from the oligopoly in crowd either.
This is low budge content. It ain't how you say it, its what you say.

And if the media is trying to black us out we won't let them. The name is going to get to the people any way because of patriots like this.

[Bossobass]

Ancient Italian Proverb:

"Man who is standing with hands in pockets should never tell man who is working what to do."

Bosso

[Kregener]

There has GOT to be change-agents in the place.

Sematary,

I thought that was friggin GREAT!

"Scaring" the electorate notwithstanding...:rolleyes:

[BLS]

The video was Great!

The signs are Great!

Thank you so much for doing this for Ron Paul!

How dare anyone criticize others, unless he/she has spent that many hours and effort making and putting up that many signs in their own neighborhood.

(Get rid of the Pro-Life sign, because that issue takes explaining.) :)

THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT, BECAUSE I WAS GETTING READY TO, AND MINE WOULD HAVE BEEN FILLED WITH F BOMBS. I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE, OR WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE. I SPENT ALL DAY YESTERDAY MAKING OVER 100 RON PAUL REVOLUTION SIGNS, AND I HAD TO DRIVE OVER 1.5HRS TO GET THERE. WHAT DID YOU DO YESTERDAY??

[max]

I dunno, those signs looked like graffiti (more than the usual revolution signs)...not giving a very presidential look, but more of a fringe look. I know Ron Paul is different than the cookie cutter presidential candidates, but somewhere we need to draw a line that we aren't going to promote Ron Paul like some DJ or Rock station.

http://www.town.stoneville.nc.us/images/twcnts2.gif

always a naysayer in here...always


those signs are great......how about u make 100 more to your liking and hang them instead of criticizing these patriots who are breaking their balls for rp

[BrianH]

I think it's great. This is grass roots. And it's not by definition as "main stream" or as dignified as very expensive billboards. If at least 1% can get into legal places (private property with owners consent) all the better.

[rodent]

I dunno, those signs looked like graffiti (more than the usual revolution signs)...not giving a very presidential look, but more of a fringe look. I know Ron Paul is different than the cookie cutter presidential candidates, but somewhere we need to draw a line that we aren't going to promote Ron Paul like some DJ or Rock station.

http://www.town.stoneville.nc.us/images/twcnts2.gif


A long time ago, a guy from Microsoft gave a speech at our college campus. He said there's basically a few key points (I may have forgotten a few) to optimize in software:

- Time to Market
- Correctness
- Cost to produce

He put the points together and made a triangle and said that you can pick a point anywhere inside the triangle, and try to get as close to each of the objectives as possible. Some will not be as emphasized as the other.

This sign effort is good because they preferred cost to produce and time to market. They're probably working people who only have so much time. I don't think what they did was unreasonable.

They can always improve on their methods, go back out there, and do a better job. The important part right now is to offset the lack of media coverage in their area.

[cdigi]

I dunno, those signs looked like graffiti (more than the usual revolution signs)...not giving a very presidential look, but more of a fringe look. I know Ron Paul is different than the cookie cutter presidential candidates, but somewhere we need to draw a line that we aren't going to promote Ron Paul like some DJ or Rock station.

http://www.town.stoneville.nc.us/images/twcnts2.gif

Personally I love the look. it helps break out from the presidential cookie cutter look and invites younger audiences to explore further.

[Kregener]

A rock radio DJ can gather 10,000 people in a matter of hours...

[Travis]

I just want to say that I am here in Phx, and I go to these sign making events. We are capable of making 150 signs in 1 night. Each sign costs about 80cents AFTER paint & banner materials. Each banner can get anywhere from 1,000-20,000 views in its lifetime. This past labor day weekend there were 150+ everywhere in Phoenix. You couldnt go 2 miles without seeing one. These arent supposed to to be nice and pretty; we dont have the time, money or patience for that. What we need is Ron Paul's name to be in the public eye, because if people dont even know he exists then its over before it even starts.

And let me say something else, these signs are working! I met someone through the Students for Ron Paul facebook sight, and he is the one of the most passionate, enthusiastic RP supporter I know. How did he hear about Ron Paul?? He saw our signs all over town and was like "What the frick is this all about?" He Googled RP and found Youtube videos and now he is one the most active RP supporters in PHX. When its closer to Primaries, we can get prettier; but right now we are desperate for name recognition.

[Ozwest]

Travis... 99% are behind you 100%. Don't worry about the other 1%. Keep inspiring everyone!

[speciallyblend]

A Sign,is better then no sign,GREAT JOB Phoenix,they make the point and if someoen isnt going to vote for Ron Paul,becasue of a made-up sign,they have bigger issues like finding a padded room;) RON PAUL 2008

[katao]

We all need to remember that diversity among us is good! We each can attract similar freedom-loving people. Those that want a more professional image, please, please sponsor professional advertising.

Awesome job Pheonix!

[Thunderbolt]

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[Thunderbolt]

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[constituent]

Those are folks whose property value is going down thanks to these signs.

yea, these are the same idiots who munched up the inflation on everyone else's tab... and then wanna cry when their house of cards comes tumbling down.

their declining property values has everything to do with their bad investment (dipshitness) practices and nothing (or very little) to do w/ some signs being posted on the weekend.

get over yourself.

[Kregener]

((((shaking head)))))

[Thunderbolt]

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[Thunderbolt]

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[Kregener]

We need TEN TIMES the amount of these signs here in Phoenix!

[katao]

Thunderbolt, chill my friend. You make some good points but enemies in the process - they won't listen to your suggestions if you attack them after all their hard work.

[katao]

Have you looked at who gets elected? Do you really think you can win with only "freedom loving" people behind you? These folks vote FOR video cameras on their freeways. How many "freedom loving" people do you think there are? Not enough to get Ron Paul elected.

You do realize that people who care about the Constitution are fringe. That means you and me. Cheap, ugly signs hurt his chances. Plus, red and black? Could you get any more goth? Give me a break.

You MUST keep your eye on the prize: votes. Nothing else matters. What good does name recognition do if every time they think his name they think graffiti, lower property values, it makes the areas they post them in look dangerous.

They started with the Ron Paul Revolution signs. Those were ok. Then they went nuts and now they won't listen to anyone else. They are very selfish and righteous and turn people off. That does not help us.

Think of a 60 year old man. You need his vote. You stick 20 of these signs in his neighborhood. Is he happy? Has he learned anything about Ron Paul? Yes, he has learned that whoever this guy is, he is making his neighborhood look like crap and might be attracting hoodlums and thieves. He is scared. He is turned off. He is angry. And he is a voting Republican.

Phoenix has more old folks than the rest of the country put together. This is where all retirees go. Those folks vote because of SS. They vote a lot. They also like things clean!

If you really think this will appeal to the 60 - 70 crowd, go ahead. But you are going after a few teenagers who don't usually vote anyway.


By far the biggest block of potential voters in our county (nearly 50%), including Phoenix, is the apathetic voter. Most are just plain fed up of politics and especially politicians. Ron Paul appeals to these people like none before.

In a primary election, where only the most die-hard people vote, these are the ones we've got to win over and they are the ones most likely to appreciate the non-traditional, grassroots campaigning rather than being offended by it. And frankly, without those cheap signs, no one would even know who Ron Paul is, let alone vote for him.

That said, you can help the effort reach more traditional folks by sponsoring nice professional, traditional advertising.

[Stealth4]

I really like and appreciate the effort, but I humbly request that you make signs that will look more appealing to all people. You must know what some people will see those signs and think 'fringe'

Putting the signs in different locations is good, but please do consider making them cleaner, more professional looking.

Thanks.

[constituent]

actually friend,

i've said my peace on this very issue many times over, perhaps you should read up before display so vulgerarly your troll like behavior.

you are the one who took it on wild tangents, you are the wanker fouling the air of discussion.... you are exactly what is wrong with this country.

that being said... i'm done with you...

back to your trolling.

kthanxbye

[hopeforamerica]

bwahahahaha!

"Our voters are conformed. You are only appealing to the fringe element and instead of pulling the soccer moms to your point of view you are losing a lot of people. Why do you think in general Ron Paul seems so weird to people?"

I'm the soccer Mom who MADE this video! Argue all you want, this operation will continue to go on. Our folks in Phoenix kick ass! We are hard working and passionate. Yes, some signs out there are more professional looking, but they take a lot more time and $$. Phoenix is an enormous city spread far and wide. Which one of you naysayers will fund our more "professional looking" campaign? Willing to come sweat it out 4-5 hours every Friday night with us making the signs, and then the time to about 2:00 am to hang them??

Glad my video is causing some people to get excited and motivated to DO SOMETHING! Keep in mind we have many other events that involves actually talking to people and spreading the word. Just this weekend we had people working the Right to Life convention, and working the Gun Shows both days. Our calendar is full of events to reach the people. Go take a look at some other calendars and see if they are half as full or well attended as ours. So, with the combination of our signs and feet to the pavement, word is spreading. And as Travis pointed out, the signs are causing people to question and find out about Ron Paul. I know the young man he speaks of, and Yes, this college student is doing more positive things for this campaign than anyone I know.

So the bottom line is..... you are going to see a lot more signs like this, and a lot more videos that hopefully pump you up!!

:p

[austin356]

PHOENIX will you guys accept a challenge from Birmingham Alabama? PLEASE, someone accept the challenge or reject it, but dont ignore it.

We can produce 200 8' x 3' & 9' x 4' banners with 8-10 people in an afternoon.

Memphis (Chris) has said they will not accept a challenge, cause they just cant make enough. Anyone from PHX in? (other metro's reading this?) Hell I will f**king have my group take on the whole DC-Boston Corridor if that is what it takes; 45 Million vs 1 Million.

I am talking about the "Paint the town Ron" night this coming 29th. Can Phoenix get 500 out? 600? 700? 800? 1000? 1000+?


If Phoenix cannot hang with Birmingham, a metro 1/4th-1/5th the size of Phoenix then yall are fairly sorry to be honest. :) :) :) :)


Us 2 weeks ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iatjmj6TCjM



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[austin356]

Have you looked at who gets elected? Do you really think you can win with only "freedom loving" people behind you? These folks vote FOR video cameras on their freeways. How many "freedom loving" people do you think there are? Not enough to get Ron Paul elected.


WTF?

Thunder have you actually run the numbers on what we need to win?

In Alabama we need only 6% of registered voters to turn out and vote for Dr. Paul on Feb. 5th to receive ALL delegates.


Energizing a select core of freedom fighters is essential; these signs are a great way. Ron Paul CANNOT win a traditional campaign. Ron Paul CAN win if he is running a revolutionary campaign.

[Kuldebar]

The R[evol]ution signs and slogan are great, Ron Paul said so himself: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpos...88&postcount=1

It is the Ron Paul Revolution.

If it didn't invade or infringe on or upon someone's property, it is not graffiti.

People who are conformists to the status quo will have a bevy of reasons not to support Ron Paul, spray painted Paul support signs will be the least likely factor on the list.

Even terrorists understand the idea that people have to be shakened and awakened before they can begin to start on a path to change.

Now, did I just advocate terrorism? No, I just point out the reality of what social change is all about by using an extreme example to underscore the point.

[cjhowe]

While there may be some signs that produce greater benefit than others, ALL signs are better than bitching about it online. If you want better signs, put them up yourself! Personal responsibility.

[Kuldebar]

I like this sign:

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tletoon/1984.jpg

Of course, most people wouldn't find it controversial enough to take notice.

[G-khan]

It seems to me some people want to control how others promote who they want for President. If you want to worry about something I would worry about those that want to turn this into your typical professional campaign.

Some people may not like it but the truth is this is a revolution..

Ron Paul wants to..

Get rid of the IRS
End the income tax
Get rid of the Fed
Get rid of homeland security
Get rid of the Dept of energy
Get rid of the Dept of Ed.
Close the boarders
Bring the troops home now..

Ya right we are going to have a normal campaign with normal signs and the normal way of doing things..

Face it this is a revolution and it should be promoted as such. I would say that none of us go out and do all the work we do because we want a normal President. We want a revolutionary President that will change things. We are not going to attract people that want another so called normal President, to vote Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not typical or normal - that is the truth - we all know he is one of a kind and that is what needs to be promoted.

Freedom to promote RP as I choose - you go out and promote him how you like!

[Kuldebar]

It seems to me some people want to control how others promote who they want for President. If you want to worry about something I would worry about those that want to turn this into your typical professional campaign.

Some people may not like it but the truth is this is a revolution..

Ron Paul wants to..

Get rid of the IRS
End the income tax
Get rid of the Fed
Get rid of homeland security
Get rid of the Dept of energy
Get rid of the Dept of Ed.
Close the boarders
Bring the troops home now..

Ya right we are going to have a normal campaign with normal signs and the normal way of doing things..

Face it this is a revolution and it should be promoted as such. I would say that none of us go out and do all the work we do because we want a normal President. We want a revolutionary President that will change things. We are not going to attract people that want another so called normal President to Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not typical or normal - that is the truth - we all know he is one of a kind and that is what needs to be promoted.

Freedom to promote RP as I choose - you go out and promote him how you like!

QFT.

I firmly believe you can't fight the status quo by being the the status quo.

Many Americans didn't approve of those uppity blacks who refused to sit in the back of the bus or obey the Jim Crow laws. After all, most honest Americans look down their noses at protest. It appears that protesting lost any respectability in the minds of the masses after the 1960's.

This political campaign is a movement, a protest movement. No one said it isn't an uphill battle.

But Americans will have to wake up and realize that protest is a preferable means to seek change. Some sensitivities should not be respected because they simply stand in the way of change.

And we are talking change on a massive scale, folks. You can't sugar coat that. Ron Paul is the man to bring that change as smoothly and less harshly as possible, the alternative won't be as pretty and will be largely out of our hands.

[jj111]

Thanks for the signs, guys. Keep up the good work.
Personally, I think white letters on black or black on white, or red on white are legible, but the red letters on black seem illegible to me.
Also I think "pro life" is best only at a specific target audience, not a general audience. The abortion debate is much more complicated than "pro life" versus "pro choice", and it is what is called a "wedge" issue that divides people. States rights can bring people together to compromise, but it's complicated and I think there are much better issues to put out there on a general sign.

I'm just giving you my personal impression. My humble opinion.

Thank you for all your good work for Ron Paul.

[Ozwest]

Thunderbolt... You were obviously not a breast fed baby.

[Cunningham]

I like the Revolution signs but they don't really communicate very much. They don't say who Ron Paul is or what he's revolting against. The "love" part doesn't really communicate anything about a presidential campaign. Ron Paul Revolution could be a band for all it says.
I like the idea behind them and they took on a life of there own in the grass roots. I sometimes wonder if they've served there purpose or exceded there shelf life. They managed to get some press and attention. I wonder if it's time that another viral type sign was put together that would be fresh and garner more attention but at the sametime be associated in the viewers mind with a presidential campaign. Something more cutting edge then your traditional political sign but spread the same info. Just a thought, don't take this as shitting on the Revolution signs.

[BLS]

Our voters are conformed. You are only appealing to the fringe element and instead of pulling the soccer moms to your point of view you are losing a lot of people. Why do you think in general Ron Paul seems so weird to people?

Grow up a little. You won't win this with 20 year olds. You need people older than 30 to vote for him. Those are folks whose property value is going down thanks to these signs. Their city looks like crap and they ain't happy.

So, just go on and do whatever you want to do and don't listen to anyone who has some constructive criticism. Instead, hurt Ron Paul, the whole campaign and all the rest of us who are working so hard to get him elected.

Those look like dirty signs for a grunge or punk band. That is the only group they will appeal to. Plus, it is a TERRIBLE idea to have policy signs. Ron Paul Pro-Gun (where, for whom, for kids?) Ron Paul No IRS (What is he a nut? How can the country run without the income tax. He is nuts. The country will fall apart without taxes). Ron Paul Pro-Life (Goodbye ALL pro-choice people).

And then there is the overall view that only crazy people who have no idea what the rest of the world thinks is putting up these signs.

You are losing votes for Ron Paul. You may be gaining recognition, but you are losing votes. Do you care?

Now, you folks are going to go to ASU and vandalize the whole campus with chalk.

You can give up on Phoenix, unless that Meetup group hits 1.9 million they are killing his chances.

But who cares huh? Viva la Revolution?

The point of the signs is to get people interested in Ron Paul, not afraid of him or turned off to him.

If you break into everyone's house and tattoo his name on their head, they will remember him. But they won't vote for him.

For god's sake. Listen to a few of the grownups here who have regular jobs and are mainstream. We are telling you how they affect the general public.

If you don't own property and live in your own home, no comments on this response please.

I'm a home owner, a grownup, an active RP supporter, an Organizer for my own meetup group, and I believe you are an idiot.

[hopeforamerica]

I'm a home owner, a grownup, an active RP supporter, an Organizer for my own meetup group, and I believe you are an idiot.

The people that show up to these sign making events are from all walks of life. Any where from 20 years old to 65! Each week this is the case. Some are home owners, some are college students, and some live in apartments.

And how is chalk on a side walk vandalizing? Did you know it washes off with ease?

Oh well, can't please EVERYONE ;)

[BLS]

The people that show up to these sign making events are from all walks of life. Any where from 20 years old to 65! Each week this is the case. Some are home owners, some are college students, and some live in apartments.

And how is chalk on a side walk vandalizing? Did you know it washes off with ease?

Oh well, can't please EVERYONE ;)

I simplly can't understand why someone would bash this effort by the Phnx folks..
It's just stupid......

[austin356]

I'm a home owner, a grownup, an active RP supporter, an Organizer for my own meetup group, and I believe you are an idiot.



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Especially about Thunder talking about "policy signs"; While pro-life should be used carefully, here, if you put these policy signs (below) you will have support of most all of the population that you target (suburbs).


Ron Paul
Pro-Gun

Ron Paul
No-IRS

Ron Paul
No-U.N.

Ron Paul
Secure Boarders

Ron Paul
Anti-Hillary



Go out into the country and add:

Ron Paul
No-NAFTA

Ron Paul
Pro-Life

Ron Paul = Pro
States-Rights



I would guess that in Shelby County Alabama, less than 10% of the population has a single disagreement with a single of the above messages.



The below link is to another stencil template; Though it is "unfit for children" or people who may be offended by bad language. Real funny though.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f380/austinw356/Temp.jpg



Anyone think I should use that template?
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[lucius]

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Especially about Thunder talking about "policy signs"; While pro-life should be used carefully, here, if you put these policy signs (below) you will have support of most all of the population that you target (suburbs).


Ron Paul
Pro-Gun

Ron Paul
No-IRS

Ron Paul
No-U.N.

Ron Paul
Secure Boarders

Ron Paul
Anti-Hillary



Go out into the country and add:

Ron Paul
No-NAFTA

Ron Paul
Pro-Life

Ron Paul = Pro
States-Rights



I would guess that in Shelby County Alabama, less than 10% of the population has a single disagreement with a single of the above messages.

That is a great idea about putting up RP signs on lonely country telephone poles...

Ron Paul
No-TTC!!!

Thanks for the prompt! :D

[austin356]

The below link is to another stencil template; Though it is "unfit for children" or people who may be offended by bad language. Real funny though.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f380/austinw356/Temp.jpg



Anyone think I should use that template?
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Come' on now people, someone has to find this either funny or offensive.

[specsaregood]

Its's all been said already on this thread so I'll just quote others for my 2 cents.


I simply can't understand why someone would bash this effort by the Phnx folks..
It's just stupid......


To Thunderbolt: I'm a home owner, a grownup, an active RP supporter, an Organizer for my own meetup group, and I believe you are an idiot.


Ancient Italian Proverb:
"Man who is standing with hands in pockets should never tell man who is working what to do."


Thank you for your time. And keep up the efforts in whatever way you personally see fit to do.

[specsaregood]

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[Matt Salla]

THANK YOU PHOENIX! Keep doing what you are doing. Ron Paul needs all the help.

These are suggestions for people who want to conform. It isn't a bad thing to run this campaign like a traditional one as long as the grassroot support stays strong. For the people who disagree, do what you feel helps the best.

If we are to use specific issues to garner support, we should call people in the local area and poll them. This way we can figure out what the majority of people are truly worried about and focus on that message. We can start accumulating data and adjust the campaign to hit on issues that people feel are important.

It is a good idea to use messages that appeal to most people. Saying Ron Paul is Pro-Life will turn off pro-choice people. Someone I know almost dismissed him entirely over this one issue. If we have a message that says 'abortion shouldn't be used as birth control', all sorts of people will agree with that. That is what we want, people agreeing with our message.

But if you poll your area and 85% are pro-life, then a pro-life message would probably be best...

[hopeforamerica]

I really like and appreciate the effort, but I humbly request that you make signs that will look more appealing to all people. You must know what some people will see those signs and think 'fringe'

Putting the signs in different locations is good, but please do consider making them cleaner, more professional looking.

Thanks.


Okay Stealth, I'll get right on that. Wait, better yet, why don't you get right on that :p

[Thunderbolt]

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[Thunderbolt]

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[Ozwest]

HEY THUNDERBOLT... At least a puppy stops whining when it grows up. GIVE IT A REST!!!

[Stealth4]

Okay Stealth, I'll get right on that. Wait, better yet, why don't you get right on that :p

I dont live in Phoenix or I would get right on that!

[Ozwest]

Sounds like the same old shit but from a different asshole.

[Bob Cochran]

Surely there is a place for both grassroots efforts as well as a traditional and organized campaign. It is the grassroots efforts that launched Ron Paul to where the campaign is today.

I say good work, Phoenix.
I'm with you.

All this hand-wringing over the signs looking not-so-nice is silly. Get over what you cannot control, and go out and do something positive for Ron Paul's campaign. If you insist on staying planted in front of the computer, at least get out your bank card and donate to his campaign.

[Bob Cochran]

I just came from Phoenix and the place looks terrible with those signs all over the place. It looks like what we used to call "tagging". You may get a few curious taggers who want to know about the signs and they may like Ron Paul, but I am a Ron Paul supporter and I was turned off.
Stop fretting over something that you CANNOT CONTROL. It's a waste of time and energy.

[Stealth4]

Stop fretting over something that you CANNOT CONTROL. It's a waste of time and energy.

Its not about control, its about constructive criticism (which I wrote in a friendly way). Why are you afraid of this constructive criticism?

Yes, were on the same team, but cant we discuss how we might do better?

[hopeforamerica]

Thunderbolt,

You keep posting that same picture. Don't you realize that those people had to have those made for big $$. I had one of those made for my business and it cost about $30. Times that by 100 or 200 per week. Want to fork over the $$. Thought not.

As for the 4:30 am start time. We had to beat foot traffic from the students. Otherwise you would be in there way. Much more respectful don't you think?

Your constant belittling of our efforts will not stop the process. So just go make your town with pretty and expensive signs. Mmmkay?

[Thunderbolt]

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[Ozwest]

Thunderbolt. Some day you will find yourself... and wish you hadn't.

[acstichter]

Thunderbolt's vote is in. He dislikes black colored signs and signs with issues on them. Thanks. Next.

The same people in Phx designed the white and yellow banners in your picture. There are hundreds of them up. Try not to piss Phx sign makers off and just offer your opinion. You don't control them, so try being friendly in hope of influencing their next sign making design.

These signs have been shipped out across the country. It's a frickin factory here, don't shit on it. Tell you what, give us a simple stencil design and maybe we'll make it. How bout that? Draw it up in paint or something. I'll sincerely consider turning my backyard into a sign making factory and payroll the whole thing. Give me a good design.

And how arrogant of you to say only homeowners can respond. Like they are the only people who care how their community looks. Are you dumb or out of touch? Plus, 90% of these signs in Phx are on abandoned chainlink fence properties or active construction fences. If there is not a property owner around to cut the thing down, how much pride is there in the neighborhood anyways?

And do you really know much about politics? Do you know how Revolutionary Ron Paul is? There are a dozen reasons why a timid person might skip out on voting for him. We need to recruit strong minded people. People who can be shown the light. Only like 7% vote in primaries. These signs are going towards the disillusioned and the freethinkers. People willing to participate in the Revolution.

[Dinomyte]

This post proves exactly what I have been saying. 1. You are not willing to learn anything. 2. You pay no attention to facts: this is the first time I ever posted those pics. 3. One of the pics in the nice groups was homemade too. 4. You have never answered the question over and over of "what if this is hurting Ron Paul?" 5. Children don't care about consequences, they just do what they want to do and ignore every one else. 6. You are acting like a child. (In case you didn't read that properly, I didn't say you were a child, I said you were acting like one.) 7. We are all on the same team. 8. There is such a thing as negative publicity or publicity which does not help. and 9. According to ASU chalking the campus is considered vandalism and they do not appreciate it at all. They consider it graffiti and it is not allowed on campus. You can call 480-965-3406 and ask yourself if you want, and clearly you didn't do that ahead of time. But then you don't seem to care whether or not you piss off a lot of people and hurt those who have been trying to do a lot of work with the event services folks at ASU and have built up goodwill.

1, 2, 3) I'm sure that they're willing to learn, but it's hard to take advice from someone who's being very aggressive with his criticism. Yes, they could make the signs more professional looking, but at the moment Phx's goals are to get Ron Paul's name out to the general public as much as possible.

They are doing an awesome job and it shouldn't be put down in any way. And yes, YOU ARE PUTTING THEM DOWN.

There are better ways to give constructive criticism than the way you've been doing things. Maybe start with a "Great effort guys. In the future, I'd like to suggest putting out more polished/professional signs after your name recognition blitz is done with, that way we can start bringing in more of the "conformed" voters of Phoenix. An example of such signs can be seen in this picture here.. etc"

Telling them that their signs look horrible (which they don't!) is not the way to get someone to agree with your points.

4) I'm sure that they in no way want to hurt Ron Paul's chances to the White House one bit, and being passionate about your candidate is a great thing to bring to a campaign. They're not being overly zealous in my opinion, and if the ASU was truly considered to be vandalism by the school then they'll make sure to avoid such mistakes in the future. Mistakes can be made by people as long as one learns from them.

5) Name calling doesn't help anyone.

6) Adults can act ridiculously stubborn as well... it's time to step back and maybe look over your posts to see if you could have written them with a bit more tact

7) Then act like a teammate and be more supportive.

8) Thinking that those signs are going to bring a hugely negative impact is really reaching...

9) Again, you could have just stated, "It was really cool what you guys did in the ASU, but I'd recommend giving them a call at ***-***-**** next time to make sure that you're not stepping on any toes. Some big wigs up there were apparently not too happy about it. Let's make sure to do things right and be respectful"


^^^^ that's my long reply to you.

Short reply, please try to be more considerate and think about the time and effort spent by those in Phoenix before you start giving your advice. No one likes a back seat driver.

Edit: What the heck is a bad seat driver???.. changed to proper phrase.

[constituent]

here, i've got the solution for everyone...

Black and Red...






Guiliani RevfartLution banners....

yea, that'll do it.

thunderbolt... get on it quick. That way everyone will blame
Rudy for their declining property value...

friggin' brilliant (and i'm the dumbass around here)

you fella's must be sleeping on the job.

[Thunderbolt]

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