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dude58677
11-13-2008, 10:53 AM
If so, do you always find yourself raising your hand and correcting your professor? I was like that at Pitt.

lodge939
11-13-2008, 11:08 AM
They're pointless. You can learn that shit by reading blogs.

Matt Collins
11-13-2008, 11:14 AM
I so want to go get a second BS in Pol Sci and then continue onto law school
But I don't have the money for it. RP should start a scholarship

smithtg
11-13-2008, 11:18 AM
If so, do you always find yourself raising your hand and correcting your professor? I was like that at Pitt.

Its been 15 years ago, but I distinctly remember some BS polsci prof making the class read Gore's first book "earth in balance". Brainwashing supreme. She almost made me a believer, then I started thinking on my own

I still have that book and thought about trying to read it again; then it would also make good fuel for my firepit.

Shotdown1027
11-13-2008, 01:00 PM
PoliSci professors suck, they're mostly neocons or democratic socialists.

"I so want to go get a second BS in Pol Sci and then continue onto law school"

Take out student loans and do it. You can pay the student loans off with a law degree,trust me.

Jeremy
11-13-2008, 01:02 PM
Yes. And yes, my professor is always wrong, but I usually let it go. He's one of those guys that has to be right, so there is no point. The Poli Sci profs don't even know what a republic is. On the first day my prof asked if we had a Democracy. Other students said yes. He said no and asked what so I said "Republic." He said I was right and then asked what a republic was. No one knew so I answered again: "rule under law, not majority." He said, "Not law." He said a republic is a "representative democracy." He thinks the only difference between a democracy and a republic is that in a republic we elect "experts" since we all can't know about the issues. That may be somewhat true, but his ignorance shocked me on that day. Not to mention he said my right answer was wrong. I'm not going to bother with this fool. I'll get my credits and leave. The funny thing is I think he thinks I'm some sort of prodigy. The grades on my tests are unbeatable. =p He always says little nice things to me because I'm probably his best student, but I can't stand him.

A week ago he essentially said libertarians were crazy. I tried to let him know that I was one, but he didn't hear me. I would have loved seen the look on his face when he realized the smartest kid in his class was a libertarian. He pretends to be neutral, but he is clearly a typical modern "liberal"... major statist.

Elwar
11-13-2008, 01:10 PM
Didn't have Poli Sci but my history classes taught me that Columbus was evil and anything bad that happened to the native americans was his fault.

mport1
11-13-2008, 01:17 PM
I stirred up the classes quite a bit in my poli sci classes.

Matt Collins
11-13-2008, 01:35 PM
"I so want to go get a second BS in Pol Sci and then continue onto law school"

Take out student loans and do it. You can pay the student loans off with a law degree,trust me.I hate debt, and I'm still trying to pay off the first BS. Oh, and I never said I wanted to become an attorney, I said I wanted to go to law school. BIG difference!:cool:

StudentForPaul08
11-13-2008, 01:53 PM
I am freshman Poli sci major.

It is bullshit they are all liberals i just sit their and laugh. I argued over the bailout and that was the first and last time i do that. Class and Students vs. me. These people need to think on their own.

SnappleLlama
11-13-2008, 02:01 PM
If so, do you always find yourself raising your hand and correcting your professor? I was like that at Pitt.

OMG! I went to Pitt, too! In fact, I'm in one of their grad programs, now! :D

JeNNiF00F00
11-13-2008, 02:06 PM
I was actually lucky. I had a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN GAY political science professor.

Truth Warrior
11-13-2008, 02:08 PM
"Political Science" is just another freakin' oxymoron. :rolleyes:

Matt Collins
11-13-2008, 02:22 PM
It is bullshit they are all liberals i just sit their and laugh. I argued over the bailout and that was the first and last time i do that. Class and Students vs. me. These people need to think on their own.Of course no one wants to be "that guy" who argues with their prof all the time. But seriously, grow some and do it anyway, so long as you know without any doubt that you are correct and have the high ground.

I'll never forget getting into arguments with my professor in copyright law class. The rest of the students would roll their eyes and laugh, but dammit, the guy was wrong and didn't know what he was talking about and it was my responsibility to set the record straight; copyright infringement DOES NOT equal theft!

dude58677
11-13-2008, 03:03 PM
OMG! I went to Pitt, too! In fact, I'm in one of their grad programs, now! :D


You ever hear of Nathan Firestone? I had him as my Constitutional Law professor and I raised my hand and said "There is no law requiring Americans to pay income taxes." The class roared with laughter. I then explained my position but it didn't seem anyone was willing to listen. I walked out of the room.

torchbearer
11-13-2008, 03:13 PM
Minor was in Poli SCi. after awhile, my professors would no longer recognize me to ask a question.
I made them look like fools often, and never did well on their test because I gave them the right answer and not the wrong one they wanted.

dude58677
11-13-2008, 03:22 PM
Minor was in Poli SCi. after awhile, my professors would no longer recognize me to ask a question.
I made them look like fools often, and never did well on their test because I gave them the right answer and not the wrong one they wanted.

My American history professor did that as well.

Aldanga
11-13-2008, 03:58 PM
I love my PoliSci classes. My profs are really open to discussion and even encourage it. Our discussions are between socialists and libertarians like myself, as well as social conservatives and neoconservatives.

Now, I can't say I'm learning anything. I'm probably actually teaching my professor and classmates more often, but I still enjoy it.

IamRealPerson
11-13-2008, 04:41 PM
I have a degree in pol Sci.

I had so much fun correcting my constitutional law professors who don't understand the plain meaning of the Constitution because it was incompatible with their political handicaps.

RedLightning
11-13-2008, 04:46 PM
I wasn't fully awake when I took my political science classes, but I remember not always agreeing with my prof.

DeadheadForPaul
11-13-2008, 04:55 PM
All of my poli sci professors believed that a strong central government was essential. Any time I would took any position that was remotely libertarian, it would be shot down

SeanEdwards
11-13-2008, 04:58 PM
I took an international relations class a couple of semesters back and enjoyed it. The professor was pretty careful about not dictating personal opinion to the class, and to this day I don't really know what her political leanings may be. She certainly never said anything like "Libertarians are crazy!".

But oh my god, the other students were a bunch of whiny little communists. Pure brainwashed drivel. One assclown started lecturing me on the irrelevance of the constitution since it was archaic, and the need for powerful national governments to bring glory or some crap to the people. Major facepalmage.

tonesforjonesbones
11-13-2008, 06:23 PM
LOL...i was a poly sci major at FSU for a year...if and when i go back...they won't like me! lol

i do remember at that time i was a die hard republican and only watched fox...me and one other guy..lol (he always wore his Savage Nation t shirt) would talk about Michael Savage in the class , much to a lot of moans and groans. I made an A in the class though. I loved my teacher...he aways started the class with:

"Any comments? Questions? Smart remarks?" funny as hell. tones (that was in my Public Policy class...we read a lot of the Federalist papers.)

Matt Collins
11-13-2008, 06:33 PM
Major facepalmage.Got ya covered.....



































http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10071/picard-no-facepalm.jpg

Matt Collins
11-13-2008, 06:35 PM
LOL...i was a poly sci major at FSU for a year...if and when i go back...they won't like me! lol I would SO love to go to FSU for a Pol Sci degree.

FSU has a 4:1 girl/guy ratio. I had a girlfriend there once when I lived in Orlando and I would go to TLH to party with her every once in a while, and it would be like me, and 18 of her friends. It was PHAT! :D

JamesButabi
11-13-2008, 09:00 PM
not polisci but I caused some rutkus is economics classes the past few years.

Mini-Me
11-13-2008, 09:09 PM
Yes. And yes, my professor is always wrong, but I usually let it go. He's one of those guys that has to be right, so there is no point. The Poli Sci profs don't even know what a republic is. On the first day my prof asked if we had a Democracy. Other students said yes. He said no and asked what so I said "Republic." He said I was right and then asked what a republic was. No one knew so I answered again: "rule under law, not majority." He said, "Not law." He said a republic is a "representative democracy." He thinks the only difference between a democracy and a republic is that in a republic we elect "experts" since we all can't know about the issues. That may be somewhat true, but his ignorance shocked me on that day. Not to mention he said my right answer was wrong. I'm not going to bother with this fool. I'll get my credits and leave. The funny thing is I think he thinks I'm some sort of prodigy. The grades on my tests are unbeatable. =p He always says little nice things to me because I'm probably his best student, but I can't stand him.

A week ago he essentially said libertarians were crazy. I tried to let him know that I was one, but he didn't hear me. I would have loved seen the look on his face when he realized the smartest kid in his class was a libertarian. He pretends to be neutral, but he is clearly a typical modern "liberal"... major statist.

In terms of the technical definition of a republic, your professor may actually be correct. From dictionary.com, the first definition listed for the word "republic" is:

a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them
That's why I try to consistently use the qualifying word "Constitutional" before I say the United States is a republic, e.g. "The United States is a Constitutional republic." The word "republic" in and of itself may not actually guarantee rule under law or strictly limited government that protects the rights of the people. Although it may be the statists who have subverted the word to remove part of its meaning (that which guarantees limited government and rule of law), it's also quite possible that we (and the John Birch Society before us) are subverting the word ourselves by applying the more specific definition of a limited Constitutional republic to the more general word, "republic."

dr. hfn
11-13-2008, 09:12 PM
Yes. And yes, my professor is always wrong, but I usually let it go. He's one of those guys that has to be right, so there is no point. The Poli Sci profs don't even know what a republic is. On the first day my prof asked if we had a Democracy. Other students said yes. He said no and asked what so I said "Republic." He said I was right and then asked what a republic was. No one knew so I answered again: "rule under law, not majority." He said, "Not law." He said a republic is a "representative democracy." He thinks the only difference between a democracy and a republic is that in a republic we elect "experts" since we all can't know about the issues. That may be somewhat true, but his ignorance shocked me on that day. Not to mention he said my right answer was wrong. I'm not going to bother with this fool. I'll get my credits and leave. The funny thing is I think he thinks I'm some sort of prodigy. The grades on my tests are unbeatable. =p He always says little nice things to me because I'm probably his best student, but I can't stand him.

A week ago he essentially said libertarians were crazy. I tried to let him know that I was one, but he didn't hear me. I would have loved seen the look on his face when he realized the smartest kid in his class was a libertarian. He pretends to be neutral, but he is clearly a typical modern "liberal"... major statist.

thats freaking awesome, you need to argue with him in front of the class. kick his statist philosophy ass

dr. hfn
11-13-2008, 09:17 PM
You ever hear of Nathan Firestone? I had him as my Constitutional Law professor and I raised my hand and said "There is no law requiring Americans to pay income taxes." The class roared with laughter. I then explained my position but it didn't seem anyone was willing to listen. I walked out of the room.

you need to argue with this prof in class in front of everyone. research the topic alot first though and go buy the republic magazine issue that covered the income tax scam. buy copies of this issue and hand them out to your classmates and the teacher. Dig up all the dirt you can on the illegality of the income tax. the income tax is a plank of the communist manifesto, research that and print it out: "Are We Practicing Communism". Also get the jekyll island book

dr. hfn
11-13-2008, 09:19 PM
All of my poli sci professors believed that a strong central government was essential. Any time I would took any position that was remotely libertarian, it would be shot down

fight back, hard. Print stuff out like "Are We Practicing Communism" and hand it out to class. Pass out Republic Magazines. Write for the school newspaper from a libertarian viewpoint. Start a Young Americans for Liberty Club. I have done all these things and a,m making huge inroads on campus!!!

Mini-Me
11-13-2008, 09:26 PM
you need to argue with this prof in class in front of everyone. research the topic alot first though and go buy the republic magazine issue that covered the income tax scam. buy copies of this issue and hand them out to your classmates and the teacher. Dig up all the dirt you can on the illegality of the income tax. the income tax is a plank of the communist manifesto, research that and print it out: "Are We Practicing Communism". Also get the jekyll island book

dude58677 might want to check around this forum for more specific information about the income tax. It seems to be a really sticky issue. According to this recent thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=168131), there is a law, and it may be Constitutional depending on who it applies to, but it's debatable whether it applies only to a select number of people (those employed by the government in particular, for example) or to just about everyone who is gainfully employed (and its Constitutionality may also hinge on that). I know practically nothing about it myself though, despite reading many various arguments for/against, seeing From Freedom to Fascism, etc.

dude58677
11-13-2008, 09:33 PM
dude58677 might want to check around this forum for more specific information about the income tax. It seems to be a really sticky issue. According to this recent thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=168131), there is a law, and it may be Constitutional depending on who it applies to, but it's debatable whether it applies only to a select number of people (those employed by the government in particular, for example) or to just about everyone who is gainfully employed (and its Constitutionality may also hinge on that).

The Preamble to the Bill of Rights states that "in order to prevent abuses and miscontruction of powers, further declatory and restrictive clauses shall be added". The ninth amendment states that the enumerated limitations on the government are not the only limitations. The ninth amendment prohibits Congress under the 16th amendment the power to tax for no reason, for unconstitutional programs, tax for political gestures such that everyone should pay their fair share, or taxing to pay off an unconstitutional debt. The judical branch is power under the ninth amendment to uphold the income tax for the reasons Congress cannot enact them. The Bill of Rights applies to all three branches.

heavenlyboy34
11-13-2008, 09:41 PM
Of course no one wants to be "that guy" who argues with their prof all the time. But seriously, grow some balls and do it anyway, so long as you know without any doubt that you are correct and have the high ground.

I'll never forget getting into arguments with my professor in copyright law class. The rest of the students would roll their eyes and laugh, but dammit, the guy was wrong and didn't know what he was talking about and it was my responsibility to set the record straight; copyright infringement DOES NOT equal theft!

I'm like that too! Usually my profs don't mind, but I drove other students quite mad back in the day. ;)

roshie
11-13-2008, 09:45 PM
My professor just sits there listening to people talk about their views. He's pretty quiet.

Oh and Bill Ayers is a professor at my university.

danberkeley
11-13-2008, 10:01 PM
My professor just sits there listening to people talk about their views. He's pretty quiet.

I had an economics class like that. Although, I mostly debated the protectionists. I guess commies dont takes economics.

smileylovesfreedom
11-13-2008, 10:04 PM
My politics professor is now a congressman! nuff said :eek:

trey4sports
11-14-2008, 12:51 AM
I am a freshman poly sci student and I always run the table in my class. My teacher really feels threatend by me i think. but im always respectfull in class.

but i do have a quick ? for you guys

me and my poly sci teacher got in a bit of a debate, i said keynesian economics is based on monetary expansion and she said no, its based on deficit spending with public works.

so whos right?

Antonius Stone
11-14-2008, 01:03 AM
one of my poly sci teachers (the person who is actually the faculty advisor for the Poly Sci department at my CC) equated Non-Interventionism with ostrich-head-in-the-sand isolationism.

I had to correct him and tell him that closing bases and withdrawing troops isn't Isolationism. North Korea is Isolationism.

trey4sports
11-14-2008, 01:08 AM
one of my poly sci teachers (the person who is actually the faculty advisor for the Poly Sci department at my CC) equated Non-Interventionism with ostrich-head-in-the-sand isolationism.

I had to correct him and tell him that closing bases and withdrawing troops isn't Isolationism. North Korea is Isolationism.

i always point out how isolationism incompases economic protectionism as well, and how people should learn the word before they use it.

Mini-Me
11-14-2008, 02:16 AM
The Preamble to the Bill of Rights states that "in order to prevent abuses and miscontruction of powers, further declatory and restrictive clauses shall be added". The ninth amendment states that the enumerated limitations on the government are not the only limitations. The ninth amendment prohibits Congress under the 16th amendment the power to tax for no reason, for unconstitutional programs, tax for political gestures such that everyone should pay their fair share, or taxing to pay off an unconstitutional debt. The judical branch is power under the ninth amendment to uphold the income tax for the reasons Congress cannot enact them. The Bill of Rights applies to all three branches.

You make a good point: Article I, Section 8 specifically enumerates those powers Congress may lay and collect taxes in order to fund. This by itself still does not invalidate the personal income tax entirely, and such an argument would only fly once the government (or at least the people) recognized that most federal laws and actions are unconstitutional in the first place...but it's still a good point nevertheless that any power the government cannot Constitutionally exercise, it also cannot Constitutionally tax for.

Matt Collins
11-14-2008, 02:31 AM
dude58677 might want to check around this forum for more specific information about the income tax.
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com

revolutionary8
11-14-2008, 02:37 AM
I once majored in PolySci (Psy).
I Dropped that shit like the fuming sack of rancid like it is-- FWIW. :D
(not to discourge anyone who could potentially make it through the mind maze and actually become a navigator)
To add,
the more I read, the more OP becomes one of the PolyPsy hopefuls.
You have this board OP. :D
I was not as lucky. :(

Matt Collins
11-14-2008, 02:46 AM
I once majored in PolySci (Psy).
I Dropped that shit like the fuming sack of rancid like it isBitter? :p

Mini-Me
11-14-2008, 02:56 AM
I am a freshman poly sci student and I always run the table in my class. My teacher really feels threatend by me i think. but im always respectfull in class.

but i do have a quick ? for you guys

me and my poly sci teacher got in a bit of a debate, i said keynesian economics is based on monetary expansion and she said no, its based on deficit spending with public works.

so whos right?

You're both right, depending on the context in which you're using the word "Keynesian." In today's world, your answer is pretty appropriate. Your teacher is right in the academic sense though, if we're talking about Keynesian economics as written by John Maynard Keynes himself. At its core, Keynesian macroeconomics is based on deficit spending with public works.* However, over time, Keynesian economists have been largely influenced by criticisms from other schools, including monetarist criticism (which emphasizes monetary policy over fiscal policy due to the way the "crowding out" effect diminishes the effectiveness of deficit spending to "stimulate" the economy**). Since then, newer Keynesian economists have placed more of an emphasis on manipulating the monetary supply than they used to back in the day when they were all about fiscal policy. Today's mainstream economics is primarily Keynesian in terms of macroeconomics and neoclassical in terms of a microeconomic basis (the combination of the two was called "neoclassical synthesis"). Wikipedia has some pretty good articles explaining the basic thoughts of each school and the relationship between the schools. :)

*Technically speaking, this does not require monetary expansion or government borrowing: The government can run up a surplus as it cuts spending during good times, and it can then spend that surplus to "stimulate" the economy during bad times. Of course, the reality of government shows that no matter how intellectually sound Keynesian economics is or isn't, a government with the power to deficit spend will constantly do it whether times are good or bad, and this obviously requires constant borrowing and monetary expansion in practice. In other words, the irresponsibility of government has shown that it doesn't even matter whether interventionist economists understand the economy well; if the government is incapable of following "the rules," bad consequences will result.
**It's also worth noting that the monetarists themselves advocate and focus on price stability rather than manipulating the monetary supply to fuel consumer demand (which is a more Keynesian view...he pretty much started the whole obsession with demand-side economics, the idea that people who save money "hurt" the economy, and the idea that unrestrained consumer spending is good for the economy). Then again, price stability is the Fed's stated aim as well, and you've seen how contradictory their actual policies are. ;)

Mini-Me
11-14-2008, 03:00 AM
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com

Proving the Sixteenth was never ratified would definitely help, but none of the other questionably ratified Amendments have ever been revoked either...and the original Thirteenth Amendment, which was ratified, still isn't followed. :-/ Unfortunately, I think if someone actually succeeded in proving the Sixteenth was null and void, the government and the complicit states would waste no time ratifying it (and/or creating a new one to make it worse, just as punishment for "insolence" :rolleyes: ).

revolutionary8
11-14-2008, 03:05 AM
Bitter? :p
Of Course.
:D It was a SHAM. :D
Unfortunately, I was too young to listen to the truth.
(that is not meant to say that had I been armed with "the truth" at that age, I wouldn't have battled the PolyPsy Legions. :D)

Revlett
11-14-2008, 07:23 AM
If you like fervent democracy worship from professors and students then you'll love Political Science courses.

Truth Warrior
11-14-2008, 09:56 AM
Just for grins, I once took a Poli Sci class, and got an "A". I wasn't disappointed. Political Science IS an oxymoron. :p :rolleyes:

torchbearer
11-14-2008, 10:00 AM
Just for grins, I once took a Poli Sci class, and got an "A". I wasn't disappointed. Political Science IS an oxymoron. :p :rolleyes:

The science of force by the state. And they do have it down to a science.
G. Edward Griffin even calls them scientist in his lecture "The Reality of Money" and explains we he uses the term.
Political Scientist and Monetary Scientist working together.

Truth Warrior
11-14-2008, 10:09 AM
The science of force by the state. And they do have it down to a science.
G. Edward Griffin even calls them scientist in his lecture "The Reality of Money" and explains we he uses the term.
Political Scientist and Monetary Scientist working together. Nah, just the same old crap, multi millenia old. :rolleyes: Fear, threats and intimidation.

Bogus shit an other oxymorons just get fabricated every day. :p You can't polish a turd.