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tangent4ronpaul
11-12-2008, 06:54 PM
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4227

"Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In

Friday, November 07, 2008


Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign slogan, "the audacity of hope," should have instead been "the audacity of deceit." After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby--four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business:

"Making the expired federal assault weapons ban permanent." Perhaps no other firearm issue has been more dishonestly portrayed by gun prohibitionists. Notwithstanding their predictions that the ban's expiration in 2004 would bring about the end of civilization, for the last four years the nation's murder rate has been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun prohibition or gun control reduces crime. Guns that were affected by the ban are used in only a tiny fraction of violent crime-about 35 times as many people are murdered without any sort of firearm (knives, bare hands, etc.), as with "assault weapons." Obama says that "assault weapons" are machine guns that "belong on foreign battlefields," but that is a lie; the guns are only semi-automatic, and they are not used by a military force anywhere on the planet.

"Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment." The amendment--endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police--prohibits the release of federal firearm tracing information to anyone other than a law enforcement agency conducting a bona fide criminal investigation. Anti-gun activists oppose the restriction, because it prevents them from obtaining tracing information and using it in frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding firearm manufacturers. Their lawsuits seek to obtain huge financial judgments against firearm manufacturers when a criminal uses a gun to inflict harm, even though the manufacturers have complied with all applicable laws.

"Closing the gun show loophole." There is no "loophole." Under federal law, a firearm dealer must conduct a background check on anyone to whom he sells a gun, regardless of where the sale takes place. A person who is not a dealer may sell a gun from his personal collection without conducting a check. Gun prohibitionists claim that many criminals obtain guns from gun shows, though the most recent federal survey of convicted felons put the figure at only 0.7 percent. They also claim that non-dealers should be required to conduct checks when selling guns at shows, but the legislation they support goes far beyond imposing that lone requirement. In fact, anti-gun members of Congress voted against that limited measure, holding out for a broader bill intended to drive shows out of business.
"Making guns in this country childproof." "Childproof" is a codeword for a variety of schemes designed to prevent the sale of firearms by imposing impossible or highly expensive design requirements, such as biometric shooter-identification systems. While no one opposes keeping children safe, the fact is that accidental firearm-related deaths among children have decreased 86 percent since 1975, even as the numbers of children and guns have risen dramatically. Today, the chances of a child being killed in a firearm accident are less than one in a million.

ihsv
11-12-2008, 07:24 PM
Hmmm... I saw a picture of Mr. Obama with his SS contingent. They had full-auto M-4s and MP-5s. And he wants to get OUR lowly semi-autos "off the streets".

F&#ker

JAlli41
11-12-2008, 07:28 PM
hopefully someone quickly takes this to the supreme court before Obama is able to appoint any new judges...

kathy88
11-12-2008, 07:34 PM
good luck getting mine

itsthepathocrats
11-12-2008, 08:04 PM
nm

worl
11-12-2008, 08:05 PM
There is no way to disarm america without a war. Does'nt matter what the court say's either. Wonder what army he intends to use.

torchbearer
11-12-2008, 08:07 PM
There is no way to disarm america without a war. Does'nt matter what the court say's either. Wonder what army he intends to use.

The civilian corp of obama automatons he has worshipping him.
He will arm them and armor them... and send them to their deaths in the name of his greatness.
And all that resist his will... will be labeled domestic terrorist.

nate895
11-12-2008, 08:13 PM
The civilian corp of obama automatons he has worshipping him.
He will arm them and armor them... and send them to their deaths in the name of his greatness.
And all that resist his will... will be labeled domestic terrorist.

They don't have the guts.

If Obama goes for an all out ban, or if he tries to go door-to-door with assault weapons confiscations, that "distant foreign battlefield" Obama speaks of will be the National Mall. Rebellion would most definitely ensue I smell a new Lexington and Concord if he crosses the line.

torchbearer
11-12-2008, 08:17 PM
They don't have the guts.

If Obama goes for an all out ban, or if he tries to go door-to-door with assault weapons confiscations, that "distant foreign battlefield" Obama speaks of will be the National Mall. Rebellion would most definitely ensue I smell a new Lexington and Concord if he crosses the line.

That has been my secret wish.
There are so many ways Obama can cross that line...

Jbrabble
11-12-2008, 08:25 PM
That has been my secret wish.
There are so many ways Obama can cross that line...

Trust me he's very close. I'm in the national guard, I know the majority of the political views of the guys in my unit and surrounding units. If people start getting their guns/insurance against tyranny taken away there would be a large portion of the military to stand in the governments way. Unlike corrupt politicians, most soldiers will give their lives to support and defend such an essential right. Obama can wish all he wants.

worl
11-12-2008, 08:46 PM
The civilian corp of obama automatons he has worshipping him.
He will arm them and armor them... and send them to their deaths in the name of his greatness.
And all that resist his will... will be labeled domestic terrorist.

He would run out of worshipers verry quick & then he would have to run. "back to kenya"

Cinderella
11-12-2008, 08:50 PM
Trust me he's very close. I'm in the national guard, I know the majority of the political views of the guys in my unit and surrounding units. If people start getting their guns/insurance against tyranny taken away there would be a large portion of the military to stand in the governments way. Unlike corrupt politicians, most soldiers will give their lives to support and defend such an essential right. Obama can wish all he wants.

yea right! i bet theyd be the first to take away guns....

newyearsrevolution08
11-12-2008, 08:51 PM
good luck getting mine

+1

Jbrabble
11-12-2008, 08:59 PM
yea right! i bet theyd be the first to take away guns....

Then you don't know the average soldier. We really don't think of ourselves as tools of the government.. I would think the majority of support for a mandate like that would come from officers, not enlisted soldiers. I like to believe in the character and general good intentions of my co workers. Although I can't wait to be out....

nate895
11-12-2008, 09:00 PM
Then you don't know the average soldier. We really don't think of ourselves as tools of the government.. I would think the majority of support for a mandate like that would come from officers, not enlisted soldiers. I like to believe in the character and general good intentions of my co workers. Although I can't wait to be out....

I think plenty in the officer corps who would refuse such an order as well. I at least know one of my family members would if he were still serving.

Cinderella
11-12-2008, 09:19 PM
i am very doubtful of this...they will do as theyre told (because thats what theyre trained to do)...

The_Orlonater
11-12-2008, 09:22 PM
Nobody is going to take my family's guns. ;)

Jbrabble
11-12-2008, 09:31 PM
i am very doubtful of this...they will do as theyre told (because thats what theyre trained to do)...

No, we won't. Not as a majority. We are trained to uphold the constitution and US values and to refuse unlawful orders. Trust me I remember the endless classes. Basic training for the army had a lot to do with US history, at least when I went in 06 it did. Things may have changed.

FindLiberty
11-12-2008, 09:43 PM
...He will arm them and armor them...

...and pay them inflated wages so only they can afford hyper inflated prices for food, energy and housing. In time, they become very big, very powerful as they reward their friends and punish their enemies along the way.

We are well on our way now as history repeats its self. It has nothing to do with a particular person (Obama), it's the nature of government!

It gets uglier as our substance is gradually eaten out. Homeland security becomes "protect the tyrants and to Hell with Liberty". The common folks are crushed, sometimes even when they yield. Slowly, those in power instinctively take away guns, sound money, free trade, and freedom from the masses. They regulate, license employment and control education and media; ration food and energy consumption; restrict ballot access, communication and non-government travel or movement without valid biometric ID. And then finally, they take the false hope away from their faithful worshippers who had been delusional thinking these changes were going to somehow be "for the better".

They still lose in the end because the scheme can't be maintained forever and they begin to turn on themselves. That may involve fighting over the last cracker or ounce of water in a fortified compound under some mountain HQ after the final slave revolt.

torchbearer
11-12-2008, 09:46 PM
...and pay them inflated wages so only they can afford hyper inflated prices for food, energy and housing. In time, they become very big, very powerful as they reward their friends and punish their enemies along the way.

We are well on our way now as history repeats its self. It has nothing to do with a particular person (Obama), it's the nature of government!

It gets uglier as our substance is gradually eaten out. Homeland security becomes "protect the tyrants and to Hell with Liberty". The common folks are crushed, sometimes even when they yield. Slowly, those in power instinctively take away guns, sound money, free trade, and freedom from the masses. They regulate, license employment and control education and media; ration food and energy consumption; restrict ballot access, communication and non-government travel or movement without valid biometric ID. And then finally, they take the false hope away from their faithful worshippers who had been delusional thinking these changes were going to somehow be "for the better".

They still lose in the end because the scheme can't be maintained forever and they begin to turn on themselves. That may involve fighting over the last cracker or ounce of water in a fortified compound under some mountain HQ after the final slave revolt.

If people don't have the balls to fight back in numbers before then.. then the human race is indeed pathetic.

tonesforjonesbones
11-12-2008, 09:51 PM
Rahm Emmanual said: "yeah..and we're comin for your guns"...he's a thug. tones

FindLiberty
11-12-2008, 09:57 PM
If people don't have the balls to fight back in numbers before then.. then the human race is indeed pathetic.

YES, that's the hope part - prevent it. It moves so slowly most don't see it coming at all.

torchbearer
11-12-2008, 10:07 PM
YES, that's the hope part - prevent it. It moves so slowly most don't see it coming at all.

Well, my hope of the Obama presidency is that his flaming socialist policies would be more than just a sudtle move for some.
McCain would have been a sudtle move towards complete socialism. And the republicans who should be fighting it... would have welcomed it.
At least now, the republicans will be fighting it.

NCGOPer_for_Paul
11-13-2008, 12:21 PM
torchbearer,

I stated the same things you've posted about Federal agents having to make a life decision if they were told to confiscate my firearm at a Republican meeting earlier this week.

Six months ago I would have been called a kook. Last Tuesday, I was told that we need more patriots like me in the Republican Party.

ihsv
11-13-2008, 01:15 PM
Trust me he's very close. I'm in the national guard, I know the majority of the political views of the guys in my unit and surrounding units. If people start getting their guns/insurance against tyranny taken away there would be a large portion of the military to stand in the governments way. Unlike corrupt politicians, most soldiers will give their lives to support and defend such an essential right. Obama can wish all he wants.

I hope to God you're right.

Truth Warrior
11-13-2008, 01:28 PM
Come and get 'em. :)

torchbearer
11-13-2008, 02:20 PM
torchbearer,

I stated the same things you've posted about Federal agents having to make a life decision if they were told to confiscate my firearm at a Republican meeting earlier this week.

Six months ago I would have been called a kook. Last Tuesday, I was told that we need more patriots like me in the Republican Party.

Good. I hope they also have the same resolve.

SnappleLlama
11-13-2008, 02:22 PM
He got the "audacity" part right.

psywarrior13
11-14-2008, 01:26 AM
Rahm Emmanual said: "yeah..and we're comin for your guns"

Tones could you share your reference for this quote? I would really like to see/hear this one.