Neocons former Democrats?

[wgadget]

Could someone please explain this to me. I'm sure Dr. Paul wouldn't make such a statement without facts to back it up. Who was he referring to specifically that was a former Democrat?

[Shink]

I don't have the answer myself, but I can say that they are obviously socialists in fake 'conservative' clothing. That relates them to Dems, but is not concrete.

[cujothekitten]

That's where the neoconservatism philosophy started from... democrats that turned republican.

check it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

[cujothekitten]

a little more info about it

Neocons Are Socialists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drrmNFdQ4D8

[Hamburglar]

That wiki is atleast partially bullshit. Barry Goldwater is a Ron Paul conservative.

[cujothekitten]

That wiki is atleast partially bullshit. Barry Goldwater is a Ron Paul conservative.

Kind of... he didn't really switch to full blown awesomeness until about the 70's. He saw something bad was brewing and changed his views. He helped bring over democrats and those democrats turned into the neocons. Regan is an example of that.

[LibertyEagle]

Could someone please explain this to me. I'm sure Dr. Paul wouldn't make such a statement without facts to back it up. Who was he referring to specifically that was a former Democrat?

Yes, they are. The first ones were ex-Trotskyites and were students of Strauss.

Watch Dr. Paul's speech Neoconned.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4156174553630131591&q=neocon%2C+%22ron+paul%22&total=161&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Hook]

William Kristols parents were Trotskyites.

[Spirit of '76]

Yes, Irving Krystol, who is widely considered one of the founders of neoconservatism, was a hardcore trotskyite. He later described himself as a "liberal who was mugged by reality".

The early neocon movement coalesced around Democrat Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson. Members of his staff included Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle.

[BuddyRey]

Ron Paul was actually being very conservative in broaching the topic. The original neocons were far worse than normal Democrats. They were Trotskyists.

[Marceline88]

Research Leo Strauss, father of the Neo-Conservative movement.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5010.htm

[Dustancostine]

Phil Gramm the former Rep Senator from Texas and a Bush Ally through '04 was a Dem turned Neocon. So is Rick Perry Governor of Texas (Dem turned Neocon). Rudy Guliani is another Dem turned Neocon.

Here is a interesting story I just uncovered. Phil Gramm ran and won as a Dem in 1982 to the US House of Representatives. Guess who his campaign manager was?........


Karl Rove. Yep his first major election was helping Phil Gramm a Demorcrat win an election.


Then guess what good ól Phil and Karl did in 1984?........ They switched parties and ran for the Senate.......and guess who their opponent was in the Republican Primary in 1984. Long standing Conservative Republican from Lake Jackson, Dr. Ron Paul.

No wonder RP hates the Neocons guts. Phil Gramm and Karl Rove switched parties from the Democrats and beat him in '84 for the Senate.

[klamath]

Phil Gramm the former Rep Senator from Texas and a Bush Ally through '04 was a Dem turned Neocon. So is Rick Perry Governor of Texas (Dem turned Neocon). Rudy Guliani is another Dem turned Neocon.

Here is a interesting story I just uncovered. Phil Gramm ran and won as a Dem in 1982 to the US House of Representatives. Guess who his campaign manager was?........


Karl Rove. Yep his first major election was helping Phil Gramm a Demorcrat win an election.


Then guess what good ól Phil and Karl did in 1984?........ They switched parties and ran for the Senate.......and guess who their opponent was in the Republican Primary in 1984. Long standing Conservative Republican from Lake Jackson, Dr. Ron Paul.

No wonder RP hates the Neocons guts. Phil Gramm and Karl Rove switched parties from the Democrats and beat him in '84 for the Senate.

That isn't the only time. Another democrat turned republican was pushed by the republican leadership against Ron Paul in his congressional district.

[Starks]

I don't have the answer myself, but I can say that they are obviously socialists in fake 'conservative' clothing. That relates them to Dems, but is not concrete.
The left-wing is a little confused as to what constitutes its "base" at the moment. It's one of the reasons why I've shifted to the up-wing and started to learn more about libertarian philosophy.

[Geronimo]

The Power of Nightmares shines a pretty good light on the history of the neocons.
This is one of those films that I feel every American must see.

The Power of Nightmares Part 1 (http://video.google.com/url?docid=881321004838285177&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=3552&q=The%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B1&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D881321004838285177&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D881321004838285177%2 6q%3DThe%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B1%26to tal%3D79%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3D search%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H23tam648j0hdoAU2bffkEkV6DiR9Q)
The Power of Nightmares Part 2 (http://video.google.com/url?docid=4602171665328041876&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=3553&q=The%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B2&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D4602171665328041876&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D4602171665328041876% 26q%3DThe%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B2%26t otal%3D101%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type% 3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H21Cmmb0_bwN7IV3Qx8LboVGtVyjDw)
The Power of Nightmares Part 3 (http://video.google.com/url?docid=2081592330319789254&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=3581&q=The%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B3&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D2081592330319789254&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D2081592330319789254% 26q%3DThe%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B3%26t otal%3D100%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type% 3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H21DB_agTF2f-VIn2mfsg66P3nWNEw)

[apropos]

I might be walking into a buzzsaw here, but Strauss gets a bad reputation. His academic work is kind of like a loaded gun - it is a tool that is only as dangerous as the guy using it. Some of Strauss' followers have made important contributions against the ills of PC and groupthink in higher learning.

Generally speaking, neoconservatives believe that history has shown the liberal democratic capitalism system to be the best form of government. This attitude is mixed with a kind of militancy of their superior enlightenment. It is distinctly different from traditional Western Civilization (which was a blend of scientific inquiry, categorization, and Christian belief). Neocons feel that all meaningful questions of human interaction have been answered - communism and socialism having failed and cultures like Islam having brought so much misery to their peoples. With their answers now in hand, it becomes merely asking how we are to convert the rest of the world to the liberal democratic capitalism worldview.

LBJ, MacNamara, and many New Deal democrats would be neoconservatives today, for example.

[torchbearer]

Could someone please explain this to me. I'm sure Dr. Paul wouldn't make such a statement without facts to back it up. Who was he referring to specifically that was a former Democrat?

The Republican Incumbent I will be running against for congress next year is a former life-long Democrat.

[dmitchell]

Read The Neoconservative Persuasion (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp) by Irving Kristol, the so-called godfather of neoconservatism.

[LibertyEagle]

Kind of... he didn't really switch to full blown awesomeness until about the 70's. He saw something bad was brewing and changed his views. He helped bring over democrats and those democrats turned into the neocons. Regan is an example of that.

I wouldn't call Reagan a neocon. ie. I don't think he was one.

[nullvalu]

Watch Dr. Paul's speech Neoconned.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4156174553630131591&q=neocon%2C+%22ron+paul%22&total=161&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I'm half-way into this now.. Damn it's good! :P

[LibertyEagle]

NEOCONS:

1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means…that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

-Ron Paul (R)

[nullvalu]

I wouldn't call Reagan a neocon. ie. I don't think he was one.

People tend to forget he granted amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens.

[chopdave]

Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle were democrats back in the 70's.

[they walked in line]

Justin Raimondo's book Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement is essential reading for someone who wants to understand neo-conservatism.

Here (http://weekendinterviewshow.com/audio/raimondo.mp3) is a very informative radio interview from a few years ago where Justin talks about the history of the neo-conservative movement.

[LibertyEagle]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/08-13-2001/vo17no17_neoconservatism.htm
http://antiwar.com/raimondo/book1.html
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/08-13-2001/vo17no17_neoconservatism.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/neo-con-explained.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarthy23.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/15935

This is interesting...
http://72.3.247.199/IUser/42/streams/829/Hultberg122006.mp3

[Delaware]

Over the past 50 years or so, the whole political spectrum has moved farther towards the left.

Todays conservatism is much different than the conservatism of, lets say, the 1950s.

Same goes with liberalism. Liberalism today, on a whole, is much closer than socialism than it used to be.

[LibertyEagle]

Over the past 50 years or so, the whole political spectrum has moved farther towards the left.

Todays conservatism is much different than the conservatism of, lets say, the 1950s.

Same goes with liberalism. Liberalism today, on a whole, is much closer than socialism than it used to be.

Well, the conservative movement was hijacked by the ex-trotskyite, statist, neocons. Now, that they have successfully taken it over, they are trying to do away with the name "neoconservative". Which by the way, they gave to themselves.

Traditional conservatism is still the same as it always was. A lot of the traditional conservatives left the Republican party in disgust and are all over the place. Independents, members of the Constitution Party and a few, members of the Liberarian party. Some stayed with the Republican party, hoping to bring it back. And some have been so propagandized by FOX news,etc., that they have forgotten their principles. Dr. Paul is trying to get them to remember.

[Delaware]

I wish traditional conservatism was more popular, if it was actually put to use in the Republican party, i dont think we'd have lost seats this past year.

I'm only 18 years old, but i think ive found my true political ideology, and that is traditional or paleoconservatism.

[klamath]

I wish traditional conservatism was more popular, if it was actually put to use in the Republican party, i dont think we'd have lost seats this past year.

I'm only 18 years old, but i think ive found my true political ideology, and that is traditional or paleoconservatism.

You are the future of the party! You will make it happen.

[Brandybuck]

I'm half way through reading "Radicals for Capitalism". Some of the history of the conservative movement is expanded in Rothbard's "Betrayal of the American Right". Basically, the Old Right was generally libertarian, capitalist and anti-interventionist. Many were also against government involvement in domestic social matters. The Great Depression and WWII had expanded the size of US government to leviathan levels, and the Right wanted to roll back FDR's socialism.

After WWII, the conservative movement started breaking up. The biggest factor was communism. The New Right wanted to stop communism around the world, by any means necessary. The Old Right wanted to go back to a pre-WWI policy of neutrality. The New Right gained ascendance. Neo-conservatism was one small branch of the New Right, but as a highly ideological faction, they increasingly came to write the conservative's playbook.

[nullvalu]

Now, that they have successfully taken it over, they are trying to do away with the name "neoconservative". Which by the way, they gave to themselves.

What do they want to be called? Or do they just want to blend in with true conservatives?

[purplechoe]

What do they want to be called? Or do they just want to blend in with true conservatives?

Just like Hillary wants to be called progressive because being a liberal has gotten a bad rap lately.

[LibertyEagle]

What do they want to be called? Or do they just want to blend in with true conservatives?

Yes.

[Thom1776]

Hmmm... Wasn't Rudy a Democrat in a previous life?

[purplechoe]

Hmmm... Wasn't Rudy a Democrat in a previous life?

He's still is. Just wants to bomb Iran, unlike the other democrats, the people not the candidates who are open to the idea.

[Delaware]

I can't believe how gullible the Republican masses are....

Mitt Romney, governor of Massachussetts, one of the most liberal states in the nation.

Rudy Guiliani, mayor of New York city, one of the most liberal cities in the nation.

John McCain, a moderate republican, so basically hes a progressive.

Fred Thompson, a member of the CFR, trying to make himself the true conservative, but i see through the BS.

or

Ron Paul, constitutionalist, small government, true conservatism.

[Geronimo]

Mitt, Rudy, McCain, Thompson, Obama, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards, and Richardson are all members of the CFR.

[nullvalu]

Justin Raimondo's book Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement is essential reading for someone who wants to understand neo-conservatism.

Welcome to the forum.. "they walked in line" - very good song by Joy Division.

[Corydoras]

I might be walking into a buzzsaw here, but Strauss gets a bad reputation. His academic work is kind of like a loaded gun - it is a tool that is only as dangerous as the guy using it. Some of Strauss' followers have made important contributions against the ills of PC and groupthink in higher learning.

No, I agree that, for example, Alan Bloom's "Closing of the American Mind" was a valuable effort. I have read that Strauss taught different things to different graduate students...!

[Spike Kojima]

The Power of Nightmares shines a pretty good light on the history of the neocons.
This is one of those films that I feel every American must see.

The Power of Nightmares Part 1 (http://video.google.com/url?docid=881321004838285177&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=3552&q=The%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B1&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D881321004838285177&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D881321004838285177%2 6q%3DThe%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B1%26to tal%3D79%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3D search%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H23tam648j0hdoAU2bffkEkV6DiR9Q)
The Power of Nightmares Part 2 (http://video.google.com/url?docid=4602171665328041876&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=3553&q=The%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B2&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D4602171665328041876&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D4602171665328041876% 26q%3DThe%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B2%26t otal%3D101%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type% 3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H21Cmmb0_bwN7IV3Qx8LboVGtVyjDw)
The Power of Nightmares Part 3 (http://video.google.com/url?docid=2081592330319789254&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=3581&q=The%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B3&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D2081592330319789254&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D2081592330319789254% 26q%3DThe%2BPower%2Bof%2BNightmares%2BPart%2B3%26t otal%3D100%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type% 3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H21DB_agTF2f-VIn2mfsg66P3nWNEw)

Wow, very revealing, we all need to see this.

[Stealth4]

Wow, very revealing, we all need to see this.

Summary?

[kenc9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

The term neoconservative was first used derisively by democratic socialist Michael Harrington to make clear that a group, many of whom called themselves liberal, was actually a group of newly conservative ex-liberals. The name eventually stuck, both because it was reasonably accurate, and because neoconservatives came to accept that they were, in fact, conservative. The idea that liberalism "no longer knew what it was talking about" became one of the central themes of neoconservatism,[3] and by the 1980s, being considered a conservative was far from an insult.

[Revolution9]

Here is a great explanation from the Fred Thompson Forum (http://www.fredthompsonforum.com/index.php)

You have to realize...this is the "Neoconservative" NOT the "Conservative" Fred Thompson Forum.......

We have to put on the dog and pony show for the media that Fred Thompson is conservative.....But his Council On Foreign relations membership and support by the current administration show his "Neoconservative" NOT "Conservative" values....

Now most people don't find their way here....only the ones who might be smart enough to have a chance to be educated.....or are already Neoconservatives on the inside....

Since you support Fred....you are probably a globalist neoconservative with out even knowing it.....you prolly think you're a conservative...

We are gonna end up getting Hillary as prez UNLESS we can bring more conservatives like you in the Globalist Neoconservative fold and FAST!

So in hope you are not braindead, I will teach you about Neoconservatism....

Irving Kristol is considered the father of Neoconservatism....

He described it as being a liberal mugged by reality....

His glorious beliefs are parroted by his son Bill Kristol and the weeley standard....so if you read that...you are probably a Neocon like us and can relax and embrace your Neoconservatism here...

Neoconservatism is....

A Strong and INTERNATIONALLY ACTIVE Military

An Aggressive Militant foreign policy less deferential to traditional conceptions of diplomacy and international law and less inclined to compromise principles, even if that meant unilateral action.

Social Welfare programs in line with liberals and a greater acceptance of the welfare state.

A much weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government than conservatives.

Low Taxes for Corporations.

Minimilist Interpetation of the first amendment.

Aggressive support for exporting democracy by force and nation building to reduce extremisim.

Agressive free trade even if it compromises American citizens.

A strong belief that Democracy can be INSTALLED in non Democratic countries based on the succes of Japan.


The "traditional" conservative Claes G. Ryn has argued that neoconservatives are "a variety of neo-Jacobins." Ryn maintains that true conservatives deny the existence of a universal political and economic philosophy and model that is suitable for all societies and cultures, and believe that a society's institutions should be adjusted to suit its culture, while Neo-Jacobins

are attached in the end to a historical, supranational principles that they believe should supplant the traditions of particular societies. The new Jacobins see themselves as on the side of right and fighting evil and are not prone to respecting or looking for common ground with countries that do not share their democratic preferences. (Ryn 2003: 387)

Further examining the relationship between Neoconservatism and moral rhetoric, Ryn argues that

Neo-Jacobinism regards America as founded on universal principles and assigns to the United States the role of SUPERVISING the REMAKING of the world. Its adherents have the intense dogmatic commitment of true believers and are highly prone to moralistic rhetoric. They demand, among other things, "moral clarity" in dealing with regimes that stand in the way of America's universal purpose. They see themselves as champions of "virtue." (p. 384).

Thus, according to Ryn, neoconservatism is analogous to Bolshevism: in the same way that the Bolsheviks wanted to destroy established ways of life throughout the world to replace them with communism, the neoconservatives want to do the same, only imposing free-market capitalism and American-style liberal democracy instead of socialism.

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, had the following to say in a December, 2005 interview with the German weekly Der Spiegel: "They are not new conservatives. They're Jacobins. Their predecessor is French Revolution leader Maximilien Robespierre."

So let's recap....

NEOCON :A Strong and INTERNATIONALLY ACTIVE Military.
CONSERVATIVE:A Strong DEFENSE.

NEOCON:An Aggressive Militant foreign policy less deferential to traditional conceptions of diplomacy and international law and less inclined to compromise principles, even if that meant unilateral action.
CONSERVATIVE:A foreign policy based on diplomacy and the rule of law.

NEOCON:Social Welfare programs in line with liberals and a greater acceptance of the welfare state.
CONSERVATIVE: A Distaste for the welfare state.

NEOCON:A much weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government than conservatives.
CONSERVATIVE: A dedication to a policy of minimal government.

NEOCON:Low Taxes for Corporations.
CONSERVATIVE:Low taxes for indviduals.

NEOCON:Minimilist Interpetation of the first amendment.
CONSERVATIVE:Strict Interpetation of the first amendment.

NEOCON:Aggressive support for exporting democracy by force and nation building to reduce extremisim.
CONSERVATIVE:Support for exporting constitutional republics by setting a good example to reduce extrimism.

NEOCON:Agressive managed trade even if it compromises American citizens and sovereignty.
CONSERVATIVE:Free trade not managed trade like NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, WTO, ETC.... without compromising American sovereignty.

NEOCON:A strong belief that Democracy can be INSTALLED in non Democratic countries based on the succes of Japan.
CONSERVATIVE:A strong belief that Constitutional Republics can be exported by setting a good example to be mimiced by less fortunate countries that want to duplicate America's success.

Conservatives are American nationalists who hate globalist organizations like the Council On Foreign Relation (Fred Thompson is a member and I was once director.)

Neoconservatives believe in global government with America as the world's police force.....

Now fred may say some non globalist things....but he has to to sucker the conservatives...It worked like a charm with President George W. Bush...Remember the "HUMBLE FOREIGN POLICY" he campaigned on...HAhahahAHHAHHA...how about that Big Spending and debt?.....conservatives are so stupid....works every time....just like them double digit IQ conservative hicks to fall for it and most of em don't even figure it out until they've voted for a liar twice.....

Fred Thompson sells it even better because he is an actor like Ronald Reagan. Even more will buy into it like Bush because he's an actor....OUR VERY OWN NEOCONSERVATIVE VERSION OF RONALD REAGAN if you will...

So join the empire, if we can't get enough conservatives to convert to Neoconservative Globalism like Fred...we don't stand a chance against them Bolshevik Neo-Lib Commie Bolsheviks like Hillary and we'll have a Boleshevik commie global rule instead of our way....We need more true Neoconservatives to help us sell that fred is a conservative to the conservative cattle unlike George W. Bush....We made a lot of conservatives go neoconservative without even knowing it the past 8 years....Unfortunately, many of those that went along with us for awhile started breaking back away from Suffering Neoconservative Bush Fatique...

So we need every past conservative who supports neoconservatism to make the conscious switch now and give it our all to convert more conservatives to our side....

Otherwise we will have Hillary as a Neoliberal president and a Neoliberal congress, becuase they are where we were in 2000 into hoodwinking their party into globalism.....they liberals haven't seen this trick yet.....

So join the team....

Support Neoconservatism....

Support Globalism....

Support the CFR....

Support David Rockefeller....

And support Fred Thompson's neoconservative values!

On the conservative forums you can spout that crap.....

But please don't here...we are neoconservatives....and we ABHOR conservatives....

all we need from the conservtive cattle is their vote for Fred Thompson and to not pay attention to what we're doing......

Make your choice, Neoconservatism on Fred's Team and success.....

Or stick with conservative values and end up internned here at FEMA concentration camp awaiting gassing for going against us when we have totallitarian controll of this Nationa nd the world.....

[Geronimo]

Summary?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

[Cindy]

I wasn't surprised when I learned that Hitlary use the be the president of her Universities REPUBLICAN party.

[LibertyBelle]

Just like Hillary wants to be called progressive because being a liberal has gotten a bad rap lately.

'Progressive' is a commie buzz word, and that she is. :D She acts like a robot Manchurian candidate, so monotonous and heartless.

[hard@work]

I think you guys missed that he was calling the men on stage democrats as well.

:)

[RevolutionSD]

I wouldn't call Reagan a neocon. ie. I don't think he was one.

Reagan was not one himself but he was surrounded by neocons who ran things when he was president.

[Lord Xar]

NEOCONS:

1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means…that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

-Ron Paul (R)


Hey Liberty, where did you find this... I want to send this to the TOWNHALL meetup groups.... with

ronpaullibrary.com
AND
http://www.fdrs.org/ron_paul_quotes.html

[they walked in line]

Hey Liberty, where did you find this... I want to send this to the TOWNHALL meetup groups.... with

ronpaullibrary.com
AND
http://www.fdrs.org/ron_paul_quotes.html

I know that the above wasn't directed at me, but it's from a speech that Dr. Paul gave on the House floor back in 2003:

Neo-CONNED! (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm)

Here are the videos of the entire speech, if you're interested:

Neo-CONNED! (part 1) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=aewpvcxAwTk)

Neo-CONNED! (part 2) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=O7Wn7s8cwQs)

Neo-CONNED! (part 3) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FHPoKhF6hW0)

Neo-CONNED! (part 4) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PYdxD8UgG3A)

Neo-CONNED! (part 5) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8w_aT6L44Mg)

Neo-CONNED! (part 6) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7i_TmD1Y9tc)

Neo-CONNED! (part 7) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0EDScCuh4bw)

Neo-CONNED! (part 8) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=el8evuL5Sr4)

Neo-CONNED! (part 9) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LR31DZrrYDI)

Neo-CONNED! (part 10) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xFOz5zC6drA)

Neo-CONNED! (part 11) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ymh1iZaGkyM)

[LibertyEagle]

Hey Liberty, where did you find this... I want to send this to the TOWNHALL meetup groups.... with

ronpaullibrary.com
AND
http://www.fdrs.org/ron_paul_quotes.html

What are Townhall Meetup groups?

As far as where I found it goes... I don't remember. I've wondered if it was taken from his speech, neo-conned, but I've never taken the time to go back and listen to that again and check. I've posted it on Townhall many times, but I leave off who wrote it, just in case. I know much of it I have heard him say at different times.

I don't feel comfortable sending it in to ron paul quotes or ron paul library unless we can make absolutely sure of where it came.

[they walked in line]

As far as where I found it goes... I don't remember. I've wondered if it was taken from his speech, neo-conned, but I've never taken the time to go back and listen to that again and check.

It is from the "Neo-Conned" speech.
Just scroll about a third of the way down the page and you should find the passage in question. :D

Neo-CONNED! (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm)

[LibertyEagle]

It is from the "Neo-Conned" speech.
Just scroll about a third of the way down the page and you should find the passage in question. :D

Neo-CONNED! (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm)

Thanks. :)

[michaelwise]

Thank You, Geronimo.
"The Power of Nightmares shines a pretty good light on the history of the neocons.
This is one of those films that I feel every American must see."

The Power of Nightmares Part 1
The Power of Nightmares Part 2
The Power of Nightmares Part 3

That is some powerful education on political philosophies, and religious ideologies used, in order to control the masses. The end game of the radical islamo fascist ideology, as I understand it, has each and every one of them promoting it, killing each other, when all is said and done. That's OK by me. The critical flaw in the neo-conservative philosophy, which I am banking on, is that they did not anticipate the money running out, to promote their philosophy. End of game for the neo-cons. The mind games that these groups play to further their causes is mind boggling, except to me. At the heart of the game is the power brokers, the wealthy elite, and the worlds central bankers, profiting from all this. Now that we are at the beginning of a world wide credit derivatives implosion, soon it will be end game for them too. Who does that leave, Us. Now it's our turn, the constitutionalists, the Ron Paul Revolution.