Kevin Phillips Interview by Moyers: The Clearest Update Giveaway to Finance

[EPIC1934]

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/11072008/watch3.html

He is also refreshing on how clear he distinguishes between finance and industry. It is rare that you seen anything this clearly stated on Oil Company TV. (yes PBS is now totally corporate too)

[itsthepathocrats]

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[EPIC1934]

Who isn't CFR. If you are unable to read and interpret critically......

[cswake]

Say what you will, but Kevin Phillips understands trends. We have a long road ahead of us to convince a populace that believes free markets have caused the disparity of the past two or three decades.

[slantedview]

i watch moyers regularly, but i am getting pretty sick and tired of the talk about the "free market" as being to blame for all of our problems. the media constantly blames "free market" for state corporatism when they should be blaming state corporatism itself.

[itsthepathocrats]

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[BenIsForRon]

There are thousands of members in the CFR, and it has various levels of membership. Moyers is on the our side. He constantly criticizes the military industrial complex, the corporate controlled media, and corporate welfare to name a few things.

This was a good interview. You guys really need to watch it, Kevin Phillips actually mentions "anti-bailout progressives and conservatives" coming together to create a movement in this country (@ 17 minutes). That is our movement! He also talks about traditional definitions of left and right being false. You paranoid people need to open your minds and actually LISTEN before you make judgments on people.

[ronpaulforprez2008]

There are thousands of members in the CFR, and it has various levels of membership. Moyers is on the our side. He constantly criticizes the military industrial complex, the corporate controlled media, and corporate welfare to name a few things.

This was a good interview. You guys really need to watch it, Kevin Phillips actually mentions "anti-bailout progressives and conservatives" coming together to create a movement in this country (@ 17 minutes). That is our movement! He also talks about traditional definitions of left and right being false. You paranoid people need to open your minds and actually LISTEN before you make judgments on people.


How it's all gonna go down ----> http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html

Dude, you're pushing the peak oil myth....and if you can't understand how peak oil propaganda falls into the long term global plans, then how should one expect you to see the subtle propaganda being promoted by CFR media elites?

Phillips wrote Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics, and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism (http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Money-Reckless-Politics-Capitalism/dp/0670019070) to make a case against “things as they are” (Time Magazine). This book is a combination of predictive programming and the Dialectic, just checkout this from the book description:

"America’s current challenges (and failures) run striking parallels to the decline of previous leading world economic powers—especially the Dutch and British. Global overreach, worn-out politics, excessive debt, and exhausted energy regimes are all chilling signals that the United States is crumbling as the world superpower"

If you read Club of Rome's First Global Revolution you will learn that the goal is to create global scarcity (real or imagined) and degrade our systems of the Republic, in a dialectical attempt to get the people to accept a new system. It is this new system that we must fear, for it includes global supra-national systems of governance, not government by the people for the people. We're talking unelected rulers who meet in secret and tell nation states what to do. To implement this new system, they must degrade our current system, or make us believe that our system is degraded beyond repair. So, Phillips, at a minimum is trying to make us believe that: (1) our system is beyond repair; and (2) a new system is needed to fix the problems, whether these problems are real or imagined.

I just watched minute 15:30 thru 17:30. Geesh, first thing I hear him talk about is how conservatism is dead and how we have socialism for the rich. First, Ron Paul taught us true conservatism is alive and well. Secondly, the socialism for the rich is and isn't true. But let's not argue that point, he's making this statement because he's shilling for Obama's redistribution of wealth plans, which will wipe-out any remaining middle class and put the finishing touches on the economic 3rd-Worldization being perpetrated in the USA.

One can't evaluate the words of these guys without knowing who they are speaking for, who are their backers and what are those backer's interests. Damn, if you can't evaluate this stuff in a sophisticated manner, then ask some questions before you start making statements. These insiders play a sophisticated game, and they can run all over the public who has not developed a keen understanding of the game.

[cswake]

And do you really think he is going to tell the audience the real trend based on real survey data? How can you be so sure that anything Phillips says is accurate or truthful? Perhaps the public doesn't think free markets have caused the disparity, but you are being told otherwise. Ever thought of that?

Yes, he does describe the trends he observes, for a profit, through the sales of his books. By himself he is not the cause and more of an observer.

I am firmly convinced the media has an impact into the thoughts the populace has on many subjects, including this one. Regardless if the media are the cause for the trend, if Phillips' predictions turn out to be right, we still need to deal with the factual errors that are perpetuated.

[BenIsForRon]

One can't evaluate the words of these guys without knowing who they are speaking for, who are their backers and what are those backer's interests. Damn, if you can't evaluate this stuff in a sophisticated manner, then ask some questions before you start making statements. These insiders play a sophisticated game, and they can run all over the public who has not developed a keen understanding of the game.

I think the problem is that you're so paranoid you can't listen to anyone with an open mind. If they speak any ill will against capitalism they must be a globalist.

Now let me respond to the rest of your post.


Dude, you're pushing the peak oil myth....and if you can't understand how peak oil propaganda falls into the long term global plans, then how should one expect you to see the subtle propaganda being promoted by CFR media elites?

Lay off the Alex Jones man. Many INDEPENDENT geologists throughout the world have done studies that show we are near or already past peak oil, and I don't think your average geologist is in on the plan for world domination. Let me ask you this, is it not plausible that peak oil is real AND our leaders are taking advantage of the scarcity?


Phillips wrote Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics, and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism to make a case against “things as they are” (Time Magazine). This book is a combination of predictive programming and the Dialectic, just checkout this from the book description:

"America’s current challenges (and failures) run striking parallels to the decline of previous leading world economic powers—especially the Dutch and British. Global overreach, worn-out politics, excessive debt, and exhausted energy regimes are all chilling signals that the United States is crumbling as the world superpower"


Okay so what in that quote is not true? I see no argument for world government, just responsible government.



If you read Club of Rome's First Global Revolution you will learn that the goal is to create global scarcity (real or imagined) and degrade our systems of the Republic, in a dialectical attempt to get the people to accept a new system. It is this new system that we must fear, for it includes global supra-national systems of governance, not government by the people for the people. We're talking unelected rulers who meet in secret and tell nation states what to do. To implement this new system, they must degrade our current system, or make us believe that our system is degraded beyond repair.

I know, that's why I like Ron Paul.


So, Phillips, at a minimum is trying to make us believe that: (1) our system is beyond repair; and (2) a new system is needed to fix the problems, whether these problems are real or imagined.

Our system is broken. He's not saying all forms of capitalism are bad, just the current form, that uses government to redistribute wealth upwards (which of course is not really capitalism), is bad.


I just watched minute 15:30 thru 17:30. Geesh, first thing I hear him talk about is how conservatism is dead and how we have socialism for the rich. First, Ron Paul taught us true conservatism is alive and well. Secondly, the socialism for the rich is and isn't true. But let's not argue that point, he's making this statement because he's shilling for Obama's redistribution of wealth plans, which will wipe-out any remaining middle class and put the finishing touches on the economic 3rd-Worldization being perpetrated in the USA.

Listen to what he said again, I believe when he says "state capitalism", he is referring to what we usually call corporate welfare. And again, all you are doing is taking everything he is saying and twisting it into NWO lingo. Just because he is not as conservative as Ron Paul does not mean he is a globalist. (See: Jesse Ventura, Dennis Kucinich, hell even Alex Jones)


One can't evaluate the words of these guys without knowing who they are speaking for, who are their backers and what are those backer's interests. Damn, if you can't evaluate this stuff in a sophisticated manner, then ask some questions before you start making statements. These insiders play a sophisticated game, and they can run all over the public who has not developed a keen understanding of the game.

Who the fuck are his backers, you never said it once, you're just assuming the fucking illuminati have their controls plugged into the back of his brain without doing any fucking research.

ANYWAY, my basic point is that people like you need to chill the fuck out because you could very well scare away people that could be strong members of this movement in the future. I bet you're one of the people who has been ridiculing Naomi Wolf because she doesn't agree with every damn thing you say.

[ronpaulforprez2008]

I think the problem is that you're so paranoid you can't listen to anyone with an open mind.

First, “Sometimes paranoia's just having all the facts,” which was so aptly stated by William S. Burroughs.

Second, I read, I don't listen to Alex Jones and I shy away from propaganda of the type that you subscribe. Phillips and Moyers are insiders, Phillips used to work for Nixon. You don't get these positions unless you've been "assessed."

Third, I cannot have an adult conversation with someone who has absolutely no understanding of history, propaganda, or technique.

You need to do some reading. Perhaps start with "Snakes in Suites" by Hare, that will give you insight into the minds of these individuals who hold these positions of power. If you want any other book recommendations, PM me.

[BenIsForRon]

Ok, let me get this straight, when Phillips says things like this:


"Now what I get a sense of from all of this — and then topped obviously by spending all the money in 2000 to basically buy the election — is that this is not a family that has a particularly strong commitment to American democracy. Its sense of how to win elections comes out of a CIA manual, not out of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution." — Kevin Phillips writing about the Bush family in American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush

You're saying he's just playing with us, and he doesn't actually believe in the constitution or basic human decency? Wouldn't saying things like this hurt his cause of "subverting the system".

[ronpaulforprez2008]

Ok, let me get this straight, when Phillips says things like this:


"Now what I get a sense of from all of this — and then topped obviously by spending all the money in 2000 to basically buy the election — is that this is not a family that has a particularly strong commitment to American democracy. Its sense of how to win elections comes out of a CIA manual, not out of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution." — Kevin Phillips writing about the Bush family in American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush

You're saying he's just playing with us, and he doesn't actually believe in the constitution or basic human decency? Wouldn't saying things like this hurt his cause of "subverting the system".


First, always happy to answer questions and provide information as long as I think the person is genuinely interested, respectful and open minded. So, I'll be available if we can keep it on that level.


Second, with respect to the book you quote from, which was published on September 7, 2004 -- an election year, Phillips' statement:

(a) is within the false left-right paradigm, which is acceptable as it maintains and perpetrates the left-right framing of issues. It's crucial that the country remain divided in this way, when in fact the left-and-right operate as one.
(b) focuses on the Bushes as the parties responsible for buying elections, which is also acceptable as it isolates the frame to a single individual or family, and therefore are not systemic. This is crucial!
(c) focuses ones attention on the election machinery rather than the entire political system, keeping the public focused on "election" fraud when in fact the election is only a small part of the control mechanisms in place.

So, what we see from insiders are crafting of issues within "authorized" framesm which is key, as it is this technique that keeps the public believing the propaganda that our Constitutional framework is still in-place.

Further, this statement frames the dynasty issues as one that only applies to the Bush family, when in fact it is inherent across all top-level politicians....whether thru marriage or closet bloodlines. So, Phillips successfully frames issues which are systemic as isolated, and maintains authorized perceptions of these issues.

These techniques are very standard, and have been used for hundreds of years. We're not seeing anything new. You're job is to open your mind long enough to recognized these techniques so that you can start to accurately analyze reality.

[BenIsForRon]

But if you watch the whole Moyers interview, he's talking the whole time about the systemic problem. And in an earlier post, you said I have to think about who is backing him.

Who exactly is he protecting with that statement from his book? The bankers, the illuminatti? You're saying he's protecting them by talking about things like voter fraud and the constitution? My impression would be, if you got open minded people to think about things like that, they would be able to see the violations everywhere. I mean, look at us. I knew about the false paradigm long before I heard about Ron Paul.

Like I said, unless you have proof, maybe you should chill out on the accusations, because this dude could be on our side at some point in the future.

[ronpaulforprez2008]

But if you watch the whole Moyers interview, he's talking the whole time about the systemic problem.

The goal is to destroy the existing governmental system in the USA and bring in a new one. Hence, it is now authorized to discuss the current system in negative terms....it's the "problem" step in the dialectic.



And in an earlier post, you said I have to think about who is backing him.

Who exactly is he protecting with that statement from his book?

He is part of a system of control....an insider who is attempting to achieve an agenda that is well documented throughout history.



Who exactly is he protecting with that statement from his book?

He is protecting the system and its agenda by using deception.



Like I said, unless you have proof, maybe you should chill out on the accusations, because this dude could be on our side at some point in the future.

The proof is that he is an insider. One is not an insider at that level and also an outsider, for that is simply not possible. If you are unable to see this, then you must educate yourself through the reading list. One can only get thru to to this type of understanding on their own. A simple forum-type response will not provide the answers, and no one can give you the answers.

[BenIsForRon]

One is not an insider at that level and also an outsider, for that is simply not possible.

I can kind of agree with this statement, but think for a second of this example: Bruce Fein. Is he just playing the R3volution for fools and secretly distracting us from what the elites are pulling on us?

The rest of your post is incredibly vague. How do you think he wants to change the system? Towards the NWO or socialism? And based on what evidence? It seems to me like he could end up having an opinion closer to ours as time goes on (a la Bruce Fein).

[ronpaulforprez2008]

I can kind of agree with this statement, but think for a second of this example: Bruce Fein. Is he just playing the R3volution for fools and secretly distracting us from what the elites are pulling on us?

The rest of your post is incredibly vague. How do you think he wants to change the system? Towards the NWO or socialism? And based on what evidence? It seems to me like he could end up having an opinion closer to ours as time goes on (a la Bruce Fein).

Send me an audio and/or article written by Fein and I'll tell you what I think. But generally, only those who meet certain criteria can make it to the inside, and they're psychological makeup would not lend them to double-crossing other insiders for the sake of the profane...it just is not logical for them. You need to read Hare's book: Snake in Suites, which I linked to in an earlier post in this thread.


The rest of my post is only vague, and I don't mean to be personal here, because your brain is still analyzing information based upon frames create through a lifetime of propaganda. You, like the vast majority of the public globally, are stuck in Platos cave and evaluate information based upon what shadows you've seen on the wall. For you to understand, you must get yourself outside the cave, which is an incredibly challenging task and one that only you, yourself, can do. No one can do it for you, no one can tell you, all we can do is offer you choices that you will ultimately need to act upon.

There are a few here in this forum who have embarked on the journey, and it is blatantly obvious from their posts who they are. One who has made the journey easily recognizes others AND recognizes the traits of insiders and their techniques. If you want clarity, then make the journey. Their are reading, audio programs and documentaries that will need to be absorbed, but the path is available if you choose to follow it.

[BenIsForRon]

Bruce Fein was at Rally for the Republic, in my opinion he had the best speech there. He has also been on Moyer's show talking about impeachment.

And I wonder who is still "in the cave", when you're the one who believes peak oil is a myth perpetrated by the elites. I think I'm perceiving your vagueness rather spot on, as you are making broad generalizations about people based on the fact that they were in the Nixon administration. Therefore, there is no way they're pro-liberty, right? I mean look at that Ron Paul guy, he led the Texas delegation to the '76 convention for Regan, and look at him now, total globalist.

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[BenIsForRon]

Damn, that's a nasty statement. Does it hurt to have your paranoid delusions shot down?

[ronpaulforprez2008]

RonPaul4Prez, I honestly don't know how you have the patience for this. If it was me, I would have B-slapped this punk at least 10-posts ago.

This kid would be wise to shut their trap and listen to someone who obviously knows what the hell he/she is talking about, especially when it's obvious that you haven't read a damn thing that's necessary to understand what is being discussed here.

Hey, itp, thanks for the comment. I've seen some of your posts around and appreciate your advanced insight...you're one of the few that I was referring to earlier who "gets-it."

With respect to this poster, I agree that we are witnessing Immature, Disrespectful, Ignorant and extremely Arrogant behavior here, but that is to be expected, especially by those who unfortunately think they are awake and do not yet know what they don't know.

ITP, I believe one of your posts is quite applicable to this thread, so I will quote an excerpt below:


Until one is willing to evaluate all motive alternatives for each vector-leader then
one will continue to be stuck in vector-leader-worship and not be able to
develop the most logical conclusion to the set of facts at hand. It is important to
break free from the assumptions that the leaders in ones particular vector
represent the vectored-group's interests. Why can one so clearly see this with
Obamabots but not see it when it applies to ones own vector?

Until you remove your own constraints you will continue to use illogic to
rationalize a vector-leaders actions.

And if your getting your direction and "insight" from the likes of AJ, then
it is understandable why you are unable to see. Deception is key, and those
that want to manipulate are masters at its execution. You will need much
further study to see it.

Further, I've found that one must study numerous sciences to understand how these sciences work in concert to manage society... a few examples are cited below:


Technique (extremely vast array of tools, including things like the Dialectic)
Propaganda (including psycholinguistics)
Psychopathy


Additionally, I recently found a Youtube producer who is doing a good job going thru much of the critical reading material. While I don't agree with all of his analysis, he provides an excellent overview and is an inspiration to those who are attempting to break through their own limitations.

For those reading this thread who wish to expand themselves, here is one video that this gentleman produced (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ERYb-p0lSQ) which is quite interesting. In this brief video, he discusses Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, and specifically, the concept of duality (also commonly referred to as the dialectic). But what is crucial to understand is that this duality is manufactured and controlled by the same source. That is the secret that no one sees, that no one understands.

Finally, that, my friend, is how I know that Phillips is controlled, because that is how the system was setup hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. Vector-leaders, as ITP puts it, are controlled by nature. They give the public their leaders. It's just how it works. It's how it always worked.

And if you read some of the books in this list (http://matterik.googlepages.com/conspiracysources), you will see that this is precisely what was discussed, planned and implemented. It is all quite public, and there to be discovered. The only thing preventing you from seeking the truth that you say you want to find is your own fear and laziness.

I hope others in this forum will begin this journey and find it illuminating and rewarding.

[BenIsForRon]

Jesus, I don't really know what to say. You guys are stuck in such a narrow perspective of the world. I don't give a fuck if the new age movement is being pushed by the elites, it makes up such a small percentage of the population it doesn't really matter. The people in the r3volution and other activist groups are where the real power lies. The illuminati/bankers/reptiles only have the power we let them have.

[ronpaulforprez2008]

Jesus, I don't really know what to say. You guys are stuck in such a narrow perspective of the world. I don't give a fuck if the new age movement is being pushed by the elites, it makes up such a small percentage of the population it doesn't really matter. The people in the r3volution and other activist groups are where the real power lies. The illuminati/bankers/reptiles only have the power we let them have.

I call it mental shut down...the point where one is unable to process the suite of information in front of them. It's overwhelming and it is easy to be overwhelmed.

But until one is able to think on their own and independently evaluate the world around them, without vector-leaders, one will continue to be dependent on the system and susceptible to manipulation by those who control the system.

So, from one perspective, this entire thread is moot, for it does not matter if a given media "personality" has your best interest or not, or is providing misinfo, as one should not require the input of amedia personality in order to develop ones thinking. But we've been trained to allow others to think for us, so we are accustomed to listening to these supplied "thinkers."

[BenIsForRon]

Ok, so what makes you think this is one of my "vector leaders"? I hadn't heard anything about this guy before the interview, I just watched it and agreed with a lot of what he was saying. Much like when I saw Ron Paul in the debate.

Are the authors of these books you are pushing not "vector leaders"? What makes them not vector leaders? And how do you know?

I think the truth is that we both make decisions on who we can trust based on various criteria, but your processes are a little more shrouded in paranoia than rational thinking.

[ronpaulforprez2008]

I think the truth is that we both make decisions on who we can trust based on various criteria, but your processes are a little more shrouded in paranoia than rational thinking.

I am my own vector and my own vector-leader.....that is the key, for if you are not the master of your own mind, then someone else is.

Do you believe that the WWF is real too, and that anyone who can see its fakery is "shrouded in paranoia?" Some, my friend, who understand the game, can see the fakery....they do not have to guess. You have to learn to see behind the curtain, and stop calling people who can names.