Mark Sanford on the issues

[literatim]

Voted NO on maintaining right of habeas corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on 'Fast Track' authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_track_(trade)) for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm

[StateofTrance]

I also checked out his votes. He's NO liberty candidate just because he "opposes" Real ID.

[WRellim]

My god... you found FOUR votes -- I mean FOUR whole votes -- that weren't EXACTLY how you would want them to be !?!?!?!?!?

...and you're ready to execute the guy.

Go kiss up to one of your "celebrity" candidates instead then, I'm sure they're just perfect.

[literatim]

My god... you found FOUR votes -- I mean FOUR whole votes -- that weren't EXACTLY how you would want them to be !?!?!?!?!?

...and you're ready to execute the guy.

Go kiss up to one of your "celebrity" candidates instead then, I'm sure they're just perfect.

Four? There are more than that. These are just the four that I considered the most important on showing his true character.

[ArrestPoliticians]

Four? There are more than that. These are just the four that I considered the most important on showing his true character.

Most important is his endorsement of McCain.

[yongrel]

Oh FFS... can't any of you folks find something more important to do than bicker about candidates for president FOUR YEARS FROM NOW?!?!?!

Christ hangin' off the cross... sometimes I think you all just like drama.

[scandinaviany3]

Mark Sanford on Abortion
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* Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
* Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)

Mark Sanford on Budget & Economy
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* Limit spending increases to population growth plus inflation. (Nov 2006)
* Deficit spending hurts private business & personal finances. (Nov 2000)
* Incumbents spend more tax funds the longer they're in office. (Nov 2000)
* Federal deficit weakens dollar against foreign currencies. (Nov 2000)
* No congressional pay raise until budget is balanced. (Nov 2000)
* Highway bills are congressional bribery. (Nov 2000)
* Sponsored bill allowing $3 on tax form to pay National Debt. (Sep 2000)
* Supports balanced budget amendment & line item veto. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Civil Rights
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* No civil unions; define one-man-one-woman marriage. (Nov 2002)
* Affirmative action in state contracts, but not colleges. (Nov 2002)
* Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
* Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)

Mark Sanford on Corporations
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* Sugar subsidy is corporate welfare to a wealthy few. (Nov 2000)

Mark Sanford on Crime
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* End parole for repeat violent offenders. (Nov 2002)
* Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
* Voted NO on maintaining right of habeas corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
* Voted YES on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
* More prisons, more enforcement, effective death penalty. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Drugs
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* Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)

Mark Sanford on Education
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* Supports merit pay for teachers. (Nov 2006)
* Endorses teacher-led prayer & displaying Ten Commandments. (Nov 2002)
* Voted YES on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
* Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)

Mark Sanford on Energy & Oil
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* Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)

Mark Sanford on Environment
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* Market-based incentive for private land conservation. (Nov 2006)

Mark Sanford on Families & Children
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* Use tax code to reinforce families. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Foreign Policy
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* 1997: proposed freezing State Department budget at $6.3B. (Nov 2000)
* Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
* Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
* Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)
* Sponsored bill allowing Americans to travel to Cuba. (May 2000)

Mark Sanford on Free Trade
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* Sugar and peanut subsides make no sense. (Nov 2000)
* Voted NO on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)

Mark Sanford on Government Reform
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* Bring horse-and-buggy government into the 21st century. (Nov 2006)
* Limit campaign contributions but not campaign spending. (Nov 2002)
* Term-limited Congressmen do behave differently. (Nov 2000)
* Cut his own staff and returned funds for staff pay annually. (Nov 2000)
* Supported 6- year congressional term-limits. (Nov 2000)
* Pledged never to take any PAC money. (Nov 2000)
* 1995 government shutdown was a good thing, not a crisis. (Nov 2000)
* Require that congressional pay raises have open votes. (Nov 2000)
* Voted YES on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999)
* Limit punitive damages; term limits on Congress. (Sep 1994)
* Government is too big, too intrusive, too easy with money. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Gun Control
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* Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)

Mark Sanford on Health Care
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* Transfer more Medicaid recipients into managed care programs. (Nov 2002)
* Voted NO on subsidizing private insurance for Medicare Rx drug coverage. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
* Voted YES on establishing tax-exempt Medical Savings Accounts. (Oct 1999)

Mark Sanford on Homeland Security
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* Voted YES on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill. (Jul 1999)
* Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
* No US troops under UN command; more defense spending. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Immigration
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* Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
* Declared English the official language of the US. (Jan 1999)

Mark Sanford on Jobs
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* Incentives to businesses create jobs & raise wages. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Principles & Values
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* Religious affiliation: Episcopalian. (Nov 2000)
* Rated C by the Club for Growth, pro-growth but not targeted. (Sep 2004)
* Contract with America: 10 bills in 1st 100 days of Congress. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Social Security
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* Off-budget accounting undermines trust in government. (Nov 2000)
* Voted NO on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
* Voted NO on strengthening the Social Security Lockbox. (May 1999)
* Sponsored bill for personal retirement accounts in Soc.Sec. (Jul 2000)
* Reduce taxes on Social Security earnings. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Tax Reform
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* Voted YES on eliminating the "marriage penalty". (Jul 2000)
* Voted YES on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000)
* Repeal marriage tax; cut middle class taxes. (Sep 1994)

Mark Sanford on Technology
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* Highways are Congress' responsibility, but don't break bank. (Nov 2000)

Mark Sanford on War & Peace
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* Voted YES on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)

Mark Sanford on Welfare & Poverty
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* Redirect welfare funding to faith-based organizations. (Nov 2002)
* Voted NO on responsible fatherhood via faith-based organizations. (Nov 1999)
* Limit welfare to 2 years & cut welfare spending. (Sep 1994)

[literatim]

You really didn't have to post the entire thing, I did link it in the thread.

[scandinaviany3]

its unusual to have someone that vetted first from congress then from the governship is the point...lots of record to pre work out now.

That is a plus...we know exactly what issues we think are not ideal and we can go ask him about them.

If there are any no go's we can quickly find this out.

But again like with johnson post..there are no perfect candidates

Ron voted for going into afghanistan..knowing what he knows now i doubt he would have signed onto the NWO/Bush lie.

Some of us could say he should have known better...but i doubt it...same with these other guys unless you in person send a delegation to talk to the guy in private you wont get the truth.

[powerofreason]

My god... you found FOUR votes -- I mean FOUR whole votes -- that weren't EXACTLY how you would want them to be !?!?!?!?!?

...and you're ready to execute the guy.

Go kiss up to one of your "celebrity" candidates instead then, I'm sure they're just perfect.

Do you need any more than that to see what the guy's about? 4 very important 100% neocon votes.

[powerofreason]

* Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)

What the fuck is that? Like how does that make any sense to vote yes for someone who's pro liberty?

[scandinaviany3]

Do you need any more than that to see what the guy's about? 4 very important 100% neocon votes.

So is ron a neo con for going into afghanistan...of course not..

Was ron a bigot for those publications in his name..of course not..

Did Ron have great inputs on lincoln and reagan brought forth on face the nation.

Yes..but it butchered him those comments...up to that point people were really taking a liking to him...but you cant take on legends and peoples hereos, or for that matter directly attack any concept they hold most dear. The war on drug's was a reagan idea.

Policeman in our convention got up and gave stats on the marijuana cases they have an driving accidents,etc...that killed our arguement and even the non recreational arguement for hemp use,etc.

We have no idea what is going through any of these guys heads.

They dont get into these position by being stupid

But we need to get a group together, sit down across from them and vet them...

Anything less than vetting every ounce of the candidate that could cause us battles or things we dont like about their record we have to go over with them in person and in private.

[TruthAtLast]

So is ron a neo con for going into afghanistan...of course not..

Was ron a bigot for those publications in his name..of course not..

Did Ron have great inputs on lincoln and reagan brought forth on face the nation.

Yes..but it butchered him those comments...up to that point people were really taking a liking to him...but you cant take on legends and peoples hereos, or for that matter directly attack any concept they hold most dear. The war on drug's was a reagan idea.

Policeman in our convention got up and gave stats on the marijuana cases they have an driving accidents,etc...that killed our arguement and even the non recreational arguement for hemp use,etc.

We have no idea what is going through any of these guys heads.

They dont get into these position by being stupid

But we need to get a group together, sit down across from them and vet them...

Anything less than vetting every ounce of the candidate that could cause us battles or things we dont like about their record we have to go over with them in person and in private.

QFT

part of this Movement wants a utopia candidate that says and has done all of the correct things since birth even if it means that candidate gets slaughtered politically.

Other people in this Movement realize that we are playing a massive political game of chess where a whole number of strategies MUST be used to reach the ultimate goal.

One of those tactics is to continue to use someone like Ron Paul to spread the message and wake people up while also choosing political candidates that are pro-liberty but do not appear so hardcore that they actually have a chance to get elected and make an impact.

We are all smart people and yet sometimes it appears that we haven't learned a darn thing from our enemy. We know what they have done to take this country from us over hundreds of years and yet we continue to play the game like amateurs rather than using their own techniques against them.

[literatim]

I don't expect a utopian candidate. What I expect is one that isn't part of the elite. George W. Bush was, in comparison to most, an excellent governor. Look what happened when he got the reigns of the entire country instead of just a state.

[TruthAtLast]

I don't expect a utopian candidate. What I expect is one that isn't part of the elite. George W. Bush was, in comparison to most, was an excellent governor. Look what happened when he got the reigns of the entire country instead of just a state.

you might have a point but we probably run that risk of internal corruption from almost any candidate. We have no idea what kind of backroom deals and pressure is applied to anyone that stands a chance of winning. I guess it really does come down to TRUST. Who do we trust and what can we do to be sure we really CAN trust these candidates?

We should probably sit them down privately and talk to them. I would also really like to hear what Ron Paul thinks.

[literatim]

You can tell by their actions and inaction. Mark Sanford refused to endorse Ron Paul and then went and supported McCain.

[TruthAtLast]

You can tell by their actions and inaction. Mark Sanford refused to endorse Ron Paul and then went and supported McCain.

that doesn't really bother me so much. now, if he told me that he doesn't believe in anything that Ron Paul believes in and called all of his supporters crazy conspiracy junkies, then that would seal it for me.

My hope is that he was playing politics and appeasing the GOP elite. In fact that move alone may be a big reason why he even has a chance in 2012.

[literatim]

that doesn't really bother me so much. now, if he told me that he doesn't believe in anything that Ron Paul believes in and called all of his supporters crazy conspiracy junkies, then that would seal it for me.

My hope is that he was playing politics and appeasing the GOP elite. In fact that move alone may be a big reason why he even has a chance in 2012.

So he when he signs the new PATRIOT Act bill, the excuse will be " he is just appeasing the GOP elite"?

[TruthAtLast]

So he when he signs the new PATRIOT Act bill, the excuse will be " he is just appeasing the GOP elite"?

you can hardly compare the two. Plus you are talking about something he might do AFTER he became President with a mere endorsement as a state governor before he even ran for President.

The goal is to win the nomination first. If our candidate can do that (whether it is Sanford or Johnson or someone else), then they have to win the general election against an incumbent Obama machine. If someone he managed that, then the hard part is over and he could use the power of the presidency to begin making changes.

But the honest truth is YES, even if our candidate became President, they would have to use their power of persuasion and popularity to pressure Congress. They could hold firm on spending issues, balanced budgets, etc and most people wouldn't think it out of the ordinary because most Americans (from both sides) think that's what we should be doing. But I don't expect our guy to get into office and instantly try to abolish the FED. He doesn't even have the authority to do that. He would have to work the political game just like every other president. The difference is that he would be using it to push the country in the right direction rather than the wrong one. And the president could use the power of his position to possibly influence the GOP platform even more and allow us to get more liberty candidates elected in the mid-term election, thereby giving us even more power to make real change.

[literatim]

If he is a spineless politician before he becomes president, why would he grow a spine afterwards?

[Kludge]

sometimes I think you all just like drama.

Oh pleeeeeeeease!

Why don't you answer my calls for you to answer that post in which I inquired of your identity?! HMMMMM?!


Everyone knows you are VTV!!! Why don't you quit your lying and go play with the little kids in the sandbox and let us HONEST GROWNUPS do the decision-making for once!


SERIOUSLY, you need to get OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE and stop DOODLING YOUR DILLY! Us HONEST folks are just trying to get liberty candidates ELECTED and YOU'RE UNDERMINING US!!!


WHY DO YOU HATE RON PAUL?!?!!




P.S. This isn't about me, Kludge, because I, Kludge, am HONEST and FORTHRIGHT in all my POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111


I LOVE AMERICA! WHY DON'T YOU?!

[me3]

QFT

part of this Movement wants a utopia candidate that says and has done all of the correct things since birth even if it means that candidate gets slaughtered politically.

Yeah, and the other part only wants partial liberty, and would be happy running an idiot CIA candidate like Bob Barr.

How did that work out for the libertarian party? Their Georgia peach, Republican supreme Bob Barr was USELESS.

If Ron Paul had run libertarian, he would have down 10 better than Barr. I know he would have raised at least $10 million!

Learn the lesson. The quality of the candidate matters. There is no point in fighting for principle if you will compromise it to get ahead. The lesson Barr should have learned, is that running on principle is about teaching people why they should follow you. Barr wasted his entire campaign trying to appeal to disaffected Republicans.

What an idiot! Ron Paul spoke to everyone!

[Cowlesy]

Oh pleeeeeeeease!

Why don't you answer my calls for you to answer that post in which I inquired of your identity?! HMMMMM?!


Everyone knows you are VTV!!! Why don't you quit your lying and go play with the little kids in the sandbox and let us HONEST GROWNUPS do the decision-making for once!


SERIOUSLY, you need to get OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE and stop DOODLING YOUR DILLY! Us HONEST folks are just trying to get liberty candidates ELECTED and YOU'RE UNDERMINING US!!!


WHY DO YOU HATE RON PAUL?!?!!




P.S. This isn't about me, Kludge, because I, Kludge, am HONEST and FORTHRIGHT in all my POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111


I LOVE AMERICA! WHY DON'T YOU?!

I am so, so glad Sally08 is gone. She hasn't logged on since the day I banned her -- must not have been that big of a RP fan afterall.

[scandinaviany3]

If he is a spineless politician before he becomes president, why would he grow a spine afterwards?

he sure didnt look spineless on a lot of issues...very ron paul like.

In terms of mccain i would bet he took a strategic path trying to get into the vp slot and the whitehouse...

There are different approachs. If method A doesnt work then you wisely try another method.

But definitely i am not saying not to vet him. if he doesnt vet well in private then he should be dropped.

But i still think reagans 80% rules works very well. Probably is that no one has used it since reagan :)