People ARRESTED in DC for putting up posters....? What?!

[rp08rp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EAfPgX7gs0

Look how the cops act, esp the one on the Horse

[constituent]

rp08rp.... i'd say 90% of your threads this morning should have been posted in
issues for america or general politics.

i believe the mods have been trying to show those other forums some love as of late, so do them a favor as well and contribute to some activity over there.

[Wendi]

1. This is in the wrong forum.

2. Does the law apply to all posters or only those political in nature?

[torchbearer]

Cops have taken on the attitude of their handlers...

[rp08rp]

rp08rp.... i'd say 90% of your threads this morning should have been posted in
issues for america or general politics.

i believe the mods have been trying to show those other forums some love as of late, so do them a favor as well and contribute to some activity over there.

Sorry but this is very close to Ron's positions..
I'll move them to other boards.

[constituent]

no need to apologize... i just think that was probably the driving motivation
between the thread-upheavel and subsequent rebellion experienced here in days past.

and since then the traffic to those other forums has been up relative to this one.

[Tn...Andy]

Wallpaper paste ! I LOVE IT....thanks for another idea !!

[maggiebott]

This post belongs here just as the posters belong in Washington.

[deedles]

dbl post

[deedles]

The cop on the horse was using crowd control tactics, just like they were taught by the federal gov't funded training. I work in a prison and this is exactly how the officers approach prisoners that aren't listening. GET BACK, GET BACK, GET DOWN!!! They scream at you, which tends to cognitively throw you off balance. It's hard to think when all the stimuli of loud yelling is flooding your brain. It's all about getting people 'off balance' because then you are in control of them. The goal is control.

I've sat through many training episodes about just this and see it all the time.

Our police no longer protect and serve, they are separate from "us". They have been trained to be. We are all a potential threat just waiting to happen.

If you really want to get freaked out, google Incident Command System. This is what ALL police, firemen, prison guards, ambulance drivers, anyone in city, county, state or federal service is being trained in. There are several levels of this, 100, 200, 300 etc, depending on your level of employment. I can't help but think it's the command system of the New World Order. It completely subverts the police chief, fire commander, etc etc... removes their authority in the event of a federal gov't declared 'emergency' and an 'Incident Commander' is put in place over everyone. The "Incident Commander" can be anyone, including someone supplied by the feds.

FEMA is paying for the training of people (myself included) all over the country, teaching them to operate under this 'centralized command' structure in the event of emergencies, including public unrest.

FEMA has also paid for the replacement of all gov't (at all levels)walkie-talkies and radios, so the police can communicate with the fire, with the prisons, with the blah, blah blah. See, it's all being centralized for a police state, IMHO.

Oh, and if We the People get upset enough to actually get out and start demonstrating, the prison guards will be used to augment the local police force. Including use of force tactics; tazers, stun guns, batons, etc.:eek: Having worked in corrections for 10+ years, this really unnerves me a bit. I know the mentality of some of these folks. Scary.

I sat through the 100 level training and this is what we were told. I asked the Captain giving the training if he thought this wasn't a bit Big Brother-ish, "oh yes, it's really scary" he replied. And yet, he's giving the training, because that's his job. I asked him if he would ever be able to fire on Americans... he said he wouldn't but knew many that would.

Oh, and states didn't have to get involved with this... except if they didn't they'd lose all their federal highway $$.

Nice.

[richard1984]

The cop on the horse was using crowd control tactics, just like they were taught by the federal gov't funded training. I work in a prison and this is exactly how the officers approach prisoners that aren't listening. GET BACK, GET BACK, GET DOWN!!! They scream at you, which tends to cognitively throw you off balance. It's hard to think when all the stimuli of loud yelling is flooding your brain. It's all about getting people 'off balance' because then you are in control of them. The goal is control.

I've sat through many training episodes about just this and see it all the time.

Our police no longer protect and serve, they are separate from "us". They have been trained to be. We are all a potential threat just waiting to happen.

If you really want to get freaked out, google Incident Command System. This is what ALL police, firemen, prison guards, ambulance drivers, anyone in city, county, state or federal service is being trained in. There are several levels of this, 100, 200, 300 etc, depending on your level of employment. I can't help but think it's the command system of the New World Order. It completely subverts the police chief, fire commander, etc etc... removes their authority in the event of a federal gov't declared 'emergency' and an 'Incident Commander' is put in place over everyone. The "Incident Commander" can be anyone, including someone supplied by the feds.

FEMA is paying for the training of people (myself included) all over the country, teaching them to operate under this 'centralized command' structure in the event of emergencies, including public unrest.

FEMA has also paid for the replacement of all gov't (at all levels)walkie-talkies and radios, so the police can communicate with the fire, with the prisons, with the blah, blah blah. See, it's all being centralized for a police state, IMHO.

Oh, and if We the People get upset enough to actually get out and start demonstrating, the prison guards will be used to augment the local police force. Including use of force tactics; tazers, stun guns, batons, etc.:eek: Having worked in corrections for 10+ years, this really unnerves me a bit. I know the mentality of some of these folks. Scary.

I sat through the 100 level training and this is what we were told. I asked the Captain giving the training if he thought this wasn't a bit Big Brother-ish, "oh yes, it's really scary" he replied. And yet, he's giving the training, because that's his job. I asked him if he would ever be able to fire on Americans... he said he wouldn't but knew many that would.

Oh, and states didn't have to get involved with this... except if they didn't they'd lose all their federal highway $$.

Nice.

Good post. Thanks for the info.

[inibo]

1. This is in the wrong forum.

2. Does the law apply to all posters or only those political in nature?

Here is the law in question, sort of. The full bill of DCMR Title 24 is not available online.

http://www.dcboee.org/information/info_can/cam_post.shtm

I believe what is at issue is whether the traffic light control boxes are legal under the bill (are they legally a "street light or traffic signal" as define in the law?" and are such boxes DC property or Federal property when they are in a National Park like Lafayette?) and whether or not the adhesives used "prevent their complete removal from the fixture, or that do damage to the fixture."

As an aside, if you've ever been to DC you've seen that the city is literally plastered with all sorts of politically oriented posters on every flat surface in sight. To the casual observer it certainly appears as though the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition posters are being singled out.

I'm kind of torn between going to the antiwar demonstration or this meetup thingy for campaign training http://ronpaul.meetup.com/193/calendar/6297904/

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

[constituent]

I'm kind of torn between going to the antiwar demonstration or this meetup thingy for campaign training http://ronpaul.meetup.com/193/calendar/6297904/

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

i'd recommend not wasting your time preaching to/with the choir...

club that demonstration like a baby seal

[McDermit]

the dude on the horse.. oh man.

[dircha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EAfPgX7gs0

Look how the cops act, esp the one on the Horse

Listen, let's be realistic here. They are posting signs on public property. Now whatever you think about public property - I'm surprised I have to say that - I think we can all agree that restricting individuals from tacking, painting, pasting, or otherwise affixing signs and posters of any sort to public buildings, signs, streets, and utility installations is legitimate.

How would you feel if the local Marxist group plastered the electrical utility box on your street corner with pro-Marxist propaganda? You would be upset. If you wouldn't, most reasonable people would.

So instead of playing dumb like these folks are and gluing signs to public utility fixtures in front of the cops, have the courage and the conviction to take the sign you were going to glue up somewhere, and put it on a stick and stand along that same street sign in hand, video camera in hand.

And if the law enforcement officers come for you then, you will have a case.

[torchbearer]

Listen, let's be realistic here. They are posting signs on public property. Now whatever you think about public property - I'm surprised I have to say that - I think we can all agree that restricting individuals from tacking, painting, pasting, or otherwise affixing signs and posters of any sort to public buildings, signs, streets, and utility installations is legitimate.

How would you feel if the local Marxist group plastered the electrical utility box on your street corner with pro-Marxist propaganda? You would be upset. If you wouldn't, most reasonable people would.

So instead of playing dumb like these folks are and gluing signs to public utility fixtures in front of the cops, have the courage and the conviction to take the sign you were going to glue up somewhere, and put it on a stick and stand along that same street sign in hand, video camera in hand.

And if the law enforcement officers come for you then, you will have a case.

I like to always bring up that story of throwing tea in the harbor... not exactly legal... but when you are fighting for liberty, sometimes, well, tea has to be thrown in the harbor and signs have to be put up on public property, which is short-hand for government elite's property.... that's how they get to tell you that its illegal for you to put a sign on it... because they own it, not you....
Anyone for tea?

[inibo]

Listen, let's be realistic here. They are posting signs on public property. Now whatever you think about public property - I'm surprised I have to say that - I think we can all agree that restricting individuals from tacking, painting, pasting, or otherwise affixing signs and posters of any sort to public buildings, signs, streets, and utility installations is legitimate.

Actually if you look into the particulars of this case, putting up posters like this is ostensibly legal in DC. If you read the link I posted above (http://www.dcboee.org/information/info_can/cam_post.shtm) you'll see the city law allows it with some restrictions--surprisingly few in my opinion, especially if you understand what a People's Republic DC's Municipal Government is. What appears to be happening is that A.N.S.W.E.R. is being singled out because of the content of their posters. For the most part A.N.S.W.E.R. seems to be a coalition of every left-wing, pro-socialist group under the sun, but they are trying to stop the bloodbath in Iraq and they are spitting in the face of Neocon tyranny. I say hats off to them.

[Give me liberty]

Sorry but i dont buy this dc poster thingy, i have feeling they wanted this to be staged.

And from what i heard didnt they do this near the white house?

[Shink]

This is fucked up, no matter what 'law' you guys may think justifies the police actions against these people. PUBLIC PROPERTY=YOU PAID FOR IT, I DID, HE DID, SHE DID. It is NOT government property, we paid for so many things you use in everyday life, and if you aren't allowed to lay a little claim to public areas and to utilize your First Amendment rights....we're further down the toilet than anybody thinks, and that's saying a lot.

[ChooseLiberty]

Great post. BTW they've been using highway funds to control the states for decades. Another reason we need Dr. Paul.

It would be great to have a group of cops, firemen, prison guards, etc. for Dr. Paul who could give updates on this kind of training - anon. of course. The public has no idea what's going on.


The cop on the horse was using crowd control tactics, just like they were taught by the federal gov't funded training. I work in a prison and this is exactly how the officers approach prisoners that aren't listening. GET BACK, GET BACK, GET DOWN!!! They scream at you, which tends to cognitively throw you off balance. It's hard to think when all the stimuli of loud yelling is flooding your brain. It's all about getting people 'off balance' because then you are in control of them. The goal is control.

I've sat through many training episodes about just this and see it all the time.

Our police no longer protect and serve, they are separate from "us". They have been trained to be. We are all a potential threat just waiting to happen.

If you really want to get freaked out, google Incident Command System. This is what ALL police, firemen, prison guards, ambulance drivers, anyone in city, county, state or federal service is being trained in. There are several levels of this, 100, 200, 300 etc, depending on your level of employment. I can't help but think it's the command system of the New World Order. It completely subverts the police chief, fire commander, etc etc... removes their authority in the event of a federal gov't declared 'emergency' and an 'Incident Commander' is put in place over everyone. The "Incident Commander" can be anyone, including someone supplied by the feds.

FEMA is paying for the training of people (myself included) all over the country, teaching them to operate under this 'centralized command' structure in the event of emergencies, including public unrest.

FEMA has also paid for the replacement of all gov't (at all levels)walkie-talkies and radios, so the police can communicate with the fire, with the prisons, with the blah, blah blah. See, it's all being centralized for a police state, IMHO.

Oh, and if We the People get upset enough to actually get out and start demonstrating, the prison guards will be used to augment the local police force. Including use of force tactics; tazers, stun guns, batons, etc.:eek: Having worked in corrections for 10+ years, this really unnerves me a bit. I know the mentality of some of these folks. Scary.

I sat through the 100 level training and this is what we were told. I asked the Captain giving the training if he thought this wasn't a bit Big Brother-ish, "oh yes, it's really scary" he replied. And yet, he's giving the training, because that's his job. I asked him if he would ever be able to fire on Americans... he said he wouldn't but knew many that would.

Oh, and states didn't have to get involved with this... except if they didn't they'd lose all their federal highway $$.

Nice.

[inibo]

Sorry but i dont buy this dc poster thingy, i have feeling they wanted this to be staged.

And from what i heard didnt they do this near the white house?

Of course they staged it. They are trying to draw attention to the fact that they have been hit with almost $10,000 in fines while the city seems to be ignoring a hundred bazillion other posters every day.


Anti-War Posters Draw Threat of Fine
posted 12:28 pm Wed August 15, 2007 - WASHINGTON


The District is cracking down on posters and signs pasted on street lights and traffic boxes.

One of the Department of Public Works' biggest targets is The ANSWER Coalition.

ANSWER spokeswoman Sarah Sloan said they received 64 citations on Monday, each with a $150 ticket attached. Sloan said she knows more are on the way.The group has 72 hours to take down the signs or pay nearly $10,000 in fines.

Sloan called the actions "selective prosecution and it's political purposes."

The group believes D.C. is trying to curry favor with the Bush Administration since many of the signs promote an upcoming anti-war march.

William Howland with the Department of Public Works says Answer can post signs but cannot use adhesive that's hard to remove.* He also says the department will enforce the fines if the posters are not removed by Thursday.

http://news.wjla.com/news/stories/0807/447455.html


*That was the point of the wheat paste. They claim they were abiding by the law when they got the jack-boot treatment in the video.

[Colleen]

The cop on the horse was using crowd control tactics, just like they were taught by the federal gov't funded training. I work in a prison and this is exactly how the officers approach prisoners that aren't listening. GET BACK, GET BACK, GET DOWN!!! They scream at you, which tends to cognitively throw you off balance. It's hard to think when all the stimuli of loud yelling is flooding your brain. It's all about getting people 'off balance' because then you are in control of them. The goal is control.

I've sat through many training episodes about just this and see it all the time.

Our police no longer protect and serve, they are separate from "us". They have been trained to be. We are all a potential threat just waiting to happen.

If you really want to get freaked out, google Incident Command System. This is what ALL police, firemen, prison guards, ambulance drivers, anyone in city, county, state or federal service is being trained in. There are several levels of this, 100, 200, 300 etc, depending on your level of employment. I can't help but think it's the command system of the New World Order. It completely subverts the police chief, fire commander, etc etc... removes their authority in the event of a federal gov't declared 'emergency' and an 'Incident Commander' is put in place over everyone. The "Incident Commander" can be anyone, including someone supplied by the feds.

FEMA is paying for the training of people (myself included) all over the country, teaching them to operate under this 'centralized command' structure in the event of emergencies, including public unrest.

FEMA has also paid for the replacement of all gov't (at all levels)walkie-talkies and radios, so the police can communicate with the fire, with the prisons, with the blah, blah blah. See, it's all being centralized for a police state, IMHO.

Oh, and if We the People get upset enough to actually get out and start demonstrating, the prison guards will be used to augment the local police force. Including use of force tactics; tazers, stun guns, batons, etc.:eek: Having worked in corrections for 10+ years, this really unnerves me a bit. I know the mentality of some of these folks. Scary.

I sat through the 100 level training and this is what we were told. I asked the Captain giving the training if he thought this wasn't a bit Big Brother-ish, "oh yes, it's really scary" he replied. And yet, he's giving the training, because that's his job. I asked him if he would ever be able to fire on Americans... he said he wouldn't but knew many that would.

Oh, and states didn't have to get involved with this... except if they didn't they'd lose all their federal highway $$.

Nice.

Thanks for the inside scoop. It is so good to hear it from someone in the know!