If gays are allowed to marry

[HollyforRP]

Will there be less brokeback mountain scenerios where gay men marry women?

What do you think? Think of how many gay men marry straight women and how many straight women are duped into thinking they are with a straight guy only to find out much later the man is actually gay.

Think of how much heart ache it could save and free up the womanic market for straight guys so that more women are on the shelves not being snatched up by gay men!

Is marriage about love or taxes?

[nodope0695]

I never watched Bareback Mountain....never will either.

[coyote_sprit]

I've never watched it either, and it's not because I don't like gays but that what I've heard from it makes it seem like a softcore gay porno.

[evilfunnystuff]

gay men marrying straight wome isnt about taxes or laws its about them being ashamed of what they are and wanting to hide or supress it

you will continue to see this happen until being gay become more "socialy acceptable" and even then im sure it will still happen but not as much

[TastyWheat]

Is marriage about love or taxes?
Good question.

[Natalie]

Funny signature, TastyWheat.

[Andrew-Austin]

Will there be less brokeback mountain scenerios where gay men marry women?

What do you think? Think of how many gay men marry straight women and how many straight women are duped into thinking they are with a straight guy only to find out much later the man is actually gay.

Think of how much heart ache it could save and free up the womanic market for straight guys so that more women are on the shelves not being snatched up by gay men!

Is marriage about love or taxes?

Depends on why gay men decide to marry straight women.. Is it simply due to the benefits given to legally married couples, or is it due to societal pressures?


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[UnReconstructed]

marriage is about pride. people just want to say "I'm married" or "this is my h/w"

does it really change how you feel about a person or does it change your commitment to someone just because you are married? it shouldn't.

remember that marriage is a 3 way contract... you, your spouse and the state.

before christians jump in my booboo, God made the family but not marriage... man did that. you know, the whole ceremony and stuff.

[dr. hfn]

gov't has no place in marriage, it is a personal and religious issue. the only reason gov't is in marriage is for taxation purposes. it is wrong to discriminate and deny an individual their rights

[Xenophage]

If gay people are allowed to marry, God will personally come to San Francisco and a take giant god-like shit all over the golden gate bridge! It says so in the bible.

[HollyforRP]

If gay people are allowed to marry, God will personally come to San Francisco and a take giant god-like shit all over the golden gate bridge! It says so in the bible.

Nah, God believes in free will so long as you aren't hurting others or abusing free will.

Gay marriage is not abuse of free will. Gay marriage isn't about taxes but I hear alot of people that are scared about more tax breaks.

Discrimination is still alive. I know of a boss that didn't know the man he hired was gay. The gay man was a great employee and he later learned he was gay. The boss told me if he had known he was gay, he wouldn't have hired him. Now that he knows he's gay, that is irrelavant because he does a good job for the company.

I had the same treatment for being born a female with a technically inclined mind. I was turned away left and right from these places and directed to the nearest shit paid receptionist job that I wasn't all that great with nor happy with.

All it takes is a few people to break the mold of prejudism because alot of our fear is very much so from the media.

Black criminals, old white pedophiles, autism.

MTV keeping stereotypes alive. The message they are spreading is, if you want to be a rapper you must portray yourself as a gangsta. If you are female you must be a hoe. If you are a white male you must be a weak whiner.

If you do enough digging you'll learn who the puppeteers are. I'm sure alot of you have already figured it out since RP supporters are good at research or they wouldn't have learned about Ron Paul because the media didn't do justice for Ron Paul's message.

[nate895]

before christians jump in my booboo, God made the family but not marriage... man did that. you know, the whole ceremony and stuff.

You ought read Genesis.

[JohnMeridith]

Government shouldn't be involved in marriage.

[pacelli]

Will there be less brokeback mountain scenerios where gay men marry women?

What do you think? Think of how many gay men marry straight women and how many straight women are duped into thinking they are with a straight guy only to find out much later the man is actually gay.

Think of how much heart ache it could save and free up the womanic market for straight guys so that more women are on the shelves not being snatched up by gay men!

Is marriage about love or taxes?

Would your theory still hold in the case of male & female bisexuality?

[UnReconstructed]

just tell me what it says nate... about marriage, not man and wife

[s35wf]

gov't has no place in marriage, it is a personal and religious issue. the only reason gov't is in marriage is for taxation purposes. it is wrong to discriminate and deny an individual their rights


and this is why i voted against their constitutional amendment; but it passed anyways.

[nate895]

just tell me what it says nate... about marriage, not man and wife

Genesis 2: 24 (parentheses is my comment)


24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife (marriage), and they will become one flesh.

[UnReconstructed]

thats not a marriage ceremony brother... thats the baby dance

[nate895]

thats not a marriage ceremony brother... thats the baby dance

It proves that God setup the institution of marriage for that purpose. It is immoral and an affront to God to have gays marry. Now, I don't mind if they want to think of themselves as married, but the state should stay out of it. If an employee comes to me and says they want benefits for their gay partner because they are married, I want the full right to say "You can't get married to another man, therefore you are not married. If you don't like that, go find another job."

[UnReconstructed]

It proves that God setup the institution of marriage for that purpose. It is immoral and an affront to God to have gays marry. Now, I don't mind if they want to think of themselves as married, but the state should stay out of it. If an employee comes to me and says they want benefits for their gay partner because they are married, I want the full right to say "You can't get married to another man, therefore you are not married. If you don't like that, go find another job."

I think it proves that God set up the family but not a marriage ceremony. I agree about homosexuality being immoral and an affront to God. I also agree that the state should stay out of it and that you as an employer should have the right to discriminate on any basis you choose.

[nate895]

I think it proves that God set up the family but not a marriage ceremony.

The one day ceremony isn't as important as the lifetime spent with the person you are marrying, that is the substance of the issue.

[UnReconstructed]

The one day ceremony isn't as important as the lifetime spent with the person you are marrying, that is the substance of the issue.

agreed!

[Forefall]

The one day ceremony isn't as important as the lifetime spent with the person you are marrying, that is the substance of the issue.

Yes, and what about the people whom are not Christian, like myself? Where do our beliefs and ideals fit into your glorious little picture, huh?

:bunchies:

[nate895]

Yes, and what about the people whom are not Christian, like myself? Where do our beliefs and ideals fit into your glorious little picture, huh?

:bunchies:

If the government stays out of marriage, I, or anyone who was a businessman can choose who I were to recognize as married. That would mean for me any marriages between a man and a woman. If a gay wants benefits to extend to his partner, his out of luck at my business.

[nickcoons]

If the government stays out of marriage, I, or anyone who was a businessman can choose who I were to recognize as married. That would mean for me any marriages between a man and a woman. If a gay wants benefits to extend to his partner, his out of luck at my business.

I'm guessing you're not actually an employer; I am. While you should be free to discriminate in any way you like, such a policy practiced over an extended period of time will lose you valuable labor and put you at a financial disadvantage against your competitors who are more concerned about the abilities of their employees and less about their personal lifestyle choices.

[nate895]

I'm guessing you're not actually an employer; I am. While you should be free to discriminate in any way you like, such a policy practiced over an extended period of time will lose you valuable labor and put you at a financial disadvantage against your competitors who are more concerned about the abilities of their employees and less about their personal lifestyle choices.

I know. Living a moral life is more important to me than profit.

Also, you could look at this way from a business angle: There are many more people who are opposed to gay marriage and wouldn't want to work at a business that recognizes it than there are people who would be a beneficiary.

[HollyforRP]

I disagree that employers should be practicing discrimination based on gender, race and sexuality.

There is line to be drawn and valid reasons to discriminate.

If an employer feels their employees lives are in jeopardy over someone having a shady past then sure, you are looking out for your employees BUT hiring a gay person, a black person and female does not put your employees life in jeopardy.



If being libertarian means not standing up for the liberties of those who are gay, female the wrong color then I think people in the libertarian movement need an upgrade.

How do we expect to get anywhere with this movement if it's restricted for just your kind?

Freedom is for everyone. Not just for you, not for just your cultural and not for just your sexual preference.

This does not include NAMBLA or pedophiles though as this is about consenting adults so please don't go there.

How would any of you discriminating employers like it if nobody gave you a chance because of stereotypes?

[nate895]

I disagree that employers should be practicing discrimination based on gender, race and sexuality.

There is line to be drawn and valid reasons to discriminate.

If an employer feels their employees lives are in jeopardy over someone having a shady past then sure, you are looking out for your employees BUT hiring a gay person, a black person and female does not put your employees life in jeopardy.



If being libertarian means not standing up for the liberties of those who are gay, female the wrong color then I think people in the libertarian movement need an upgrade.

How do we expect to get anywhere with this movement if it's restricted for just your kind?

Freedom is for everyone. Not just for you, not for just your cultural and not for just your sexual preference.

This does not include NAMBLA or pedophiles though as this is about consenting adults so please don't go there.

How would any of you discriminating employers like it if nobody gave you a chance because of stereotypes?

I don't care if you're gay, it is an affront to God to recognize gays as married give them equal rights as a regular married couple. I refuse to recognize them as married, they can do whatever they want behind closed doors, but I do not need to be forced to recognize them as a married, as it is an affront to God.

[HollyforRP]

I don't care if you're gay, it is an affront to God to recognize gays as married give them equal rights as a regular married couple. I refuse to recognize them as married, they can do whatever they want behind closed doors, but I do not need to be forced to recognize them as a married, as it is an affront to God.

The bible also says you can sell your daughters:

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated:



If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

[nate895]

The bible also says you can sell your daughters:

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated:



If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Old Testament, The blood covering protects us from the law. Go take it up with the those who practice Judaism.

[HollyforRP]

New testament:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)



Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

[nate895]

New testament:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)



Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

It also says in the New Testament for slaves to attempt at every turn to free themselves in a peaceful manner. Anyway, I am not here for the merits of my religious beliefs, I have the freedom to believe whatever I want to, and you have no right to force me to do what I believe is an affront to God.

[heavenlyboy34]

It also says in the New Testament for slaves to attempt at every turn to free themselves in a peaceful manner. Anyway, I am not here for the merits of my religious beliefs, I have the freedom to believe whatever I want to, and you have no right to force me to do what I believe is an affront to God.

Likewise, you have no right to use the coercive force of law to force your religious beliefs on others. :D

[BlackTerrel]

MTV keeping stereotypes alive. The message they are spreading is, if you want to be a rapper you must portray yourself as a gangsta. If you are female you must be a hoe. If you are a white male you must be a weak whiner.

MTV doesn't choose which rappers become successful. They usually highlight people after they've already had success. 50 Cent to give one example was the most popular hip hop artist in the underground for a decade before MTV invented him. Black people always loved him, it took a while for MTV and white people to catch on.

As far as white people being portrayed as weak - I haven't noticed.


If you do enough digging you'll learn who the puppeteers are. I'm sure alot of you have already figured it out since RP supporters are good at research or they wouldn't have learned about Ron Paul because the media didn't do justice for Ron Paul's message.

Don't be cryptic, just say who it is.

[HollyforRP]

I'm not forcing you to do anything. This is how I reach conclusions. Debate. This is not an argument. I'm playing devil's advocate and have heard some interesting things off the messageboard regarding this issue about concerns.

One person has said: If two same sex couples adopted a kid, the kid will end up gay too.

My response: That isn't true. If that were true then Madeline Murray O'Hare's son wouldn't have turned into a southern baptist preacher and would have instead became an atheist.

If that were true, there would be no homosexuals because they would have copied after their heterosexual parents.



Next person: mentioned taxes and how it should be just for women and men who marry and have biological children.

My response: Well that makes no sense. Married couples who have adopted children also get tax breaks and it's not THAT much.


Another person: Gay people should not marry because of health threats and aids.

My response: Oh okay so not allowing gays to marry only leaves them options of forever being promiscious or marrying a straight person to hide the fact that they are gay and then the gay person not being fullfilled in their current relationship may seek gay mistresses and misteresses that could transmit sexual diseases onto their straight partner.

Then again, it's not like straight relationships are always monogamus either but it actually increases promiscuous behavior feeling like an outcast over your sexuality and pressure to lead a double life over how society treats you.

If someone is actually really all that concerned about health threats and "aids" which I highly doubt because it's just a false concern so the person won't have to flat out admit that they just don't like gay people, then supporting gay marriage means supporting someone to be themselves openly and not bringing down their straight unsuspecting spouses.


Now I'm hearing about the bible. There is also a passage in the bible about gays being allowed to be saved.

Being gay was also before the 80's in the DSM for psychiatric disorder which it clearly is not.

Here in America, marriage isn't all about religion considering non christians get married.

Also let us not forget in our own constitution:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;


I think as far as religion goes, religion should be allowed in school and not condoned to pray or others feeling as though if someone is allowed to pray and some other kid makes a fuss that there will be a lawsuit.

Prayer is discouraged from school even though it's a constitutional right.

As far as marriage goes, marriage was around before the new testament. Marriage has always been a society based idea and it's been through changes along with the times.

God wants us to have free will. God if running for president would be a freedom candidate not an oppressor.

All around on this forum, there have been some discouraging posts against women, gays, blacks at times and this isn't what freedom is about.

If you misinterpretted the freedom message to mean it includes only your way of life, your religion, your new testament, your wallet, your views then maybe freedom isn't really your thing.

Freedom- liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another, independence.


Libertarian philosophies have long been used to free others from the control of domineering fascists telling them what they can and cannot do usually pertaining to bigoted rules.

Even though this is libertarian philosophy, what happens is that after freedom is gained, the liberals come in and proclaim it as liberal and then offer a co-dependant approach to controlling those same people.

It was the practice that was libertarian and if you don't agree with that then perhaps you took the thoughts of "founding father" a little too literally into meaning back to women being discouraged from doing anything with their lives and blacks back to slavery.

Some changes made such as taking prayer out of school I don't agree with as it trampled on someone else's liberties.

[HollyforRP]

MTV doesn't choose which rappers become successful. They usually highlight people after they've already had success. 50 Cent to give one example was the most popular hip hop artist in the underground for a decade before MTV invented him. Black people always loved him, it took a while for MTV and white people to catch on.

As far as white people being portrayed as weak - I haven't noticed.



Don't be cryptic, just say who it is.

You used one artist, I'm talking about the mindset spreading. You can't tell me that you don't see a common theme. MTV does pick and choose who they allow. They don't just air all videos.

So what common theme do you see on MTV?

[UnReconstructed]

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