Man arrested for McCain t-shirt

[MGreen]

So much for change. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94N1TkuLWss) It's the kind of horrendous police action we've seen during the Bush years, and these people go fucking crazy for it.


Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter — by peaceful or revolutionary means — into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.

... As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.

The Republicans got to oppress the Democrats the last eight years, so now the Democrats get to oppress Republicans. Revenge is the only fair response, after all. Besides, it's not bad, per se, to intimidate or even arrest people for their speech, it's just bad when it's done to your group.

The more things change, the more you get hauled off to prison.

[Jeremy]

omg... when they paned the camera to the crowed chanting for his arrest... scariest thing I have seen

they want to jail their political opponent... wow! and look at them drooling like monsters

[Brassmouth]

I saw this video a few days ago. It scared me to no end. Obama's disciples were chanting to crush all dissent. Welcome to the USSA. The people have finally caught on, and they love their new socialist state.

[kojirodensetsu]

I dunno, I'm a tad skeptical mainly because the video didn't show what happened prior to the police confrontation with him. But regardless of why he was arrested exactly it's still scary seeing those Obama supporters.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Looks like the police did him a favor. I can't imagine that crowd would have been very friendly.

Overall I have to wonder if there is more to this than what we are seeing.

[MGreen]

In an extended video, you see that he has something like a plastic sword in his back, which is taken away (the video claims by an Obama supporter, not a cop). Regardless, the cops don't seem to go after him for that or for some unseen outburst. They tell him to leave to avoid something starting (which is BS anyway; it's not a crime), and he starts walking back. You hear a cop say to just take him in, and they arrest him when he doesn't vacate fast enough - or because he's talking to the camera.

Like the "Don't tase me, bro" guy, his intentions may or may not have been sinister, but it's irrelevant. He did nothing wrong, was arrested, and these people cheer the police on. There are some boos though, which may be booing the cops or booing the shirt. I'm cynical, so I say the latter.

[ClockwiseSpark]

In an extended video, you see that he has something like a plastic sword in his back, which is taken away (the video claims by an Obama supporter, not a cop). Regardless, the cops don't seem to go after him for that or for some unseen outburst. They tell him to leave to avoid something starting (which is BS anyway; it's not a crime), and he starts walking back. You hear a cop say to just take him in, and they arrest him when he doesn't vacate fast enough - or because he's talking to the camera.

Like the "Don't tase me, bro" guy, his intentions may or may not have been sinister, but it's irrelevant. He did nothing wrong, was arrested, and these people cheer the police on. There are some boos though, which may be booing the cops or booing the shirt. I'm cynical, so I say the latter.

The question I would have is: Was he actually arrested after this video was taken? That would have been damn inappropriate.

Either way, not enough information to say much other than those Obama supporters are freaking scary.

[libertarian4321]

So much for change. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94N1TkuLWss) It's the kind of horrendous police action we've seen during the Bush years, and these people go fucking crazy for it.



The Republicans got to oppress the Democrats the last eight years, so now the Democrats get to oppress Republicans. Revenge is the only fair response, after all. Besides, it's not bad, per se, to intimidate or even arrest people for their speech, it's just bad when it's done to your group.

The more things change, the more you get hauled off to prison.

Well, the title of this thread is disingenuous. The guy wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, he was arrested for no moving along after being told to do so several times.

Cops do this all the time, folks- it doesn't mean we are all going to a Gulag next week. The do the same thing at events all around the country, even if no "crime" is committed.

Try getting in a loud, belligerent argument at your county fair next year. Odds are pretty darned good that you (and the person you are arguing with) will be separated and told to move along. Its not that the cops are trying to "crush your freedom"- they are trying to keep a potentially volatile situation from exploding into violence. If you don't move along, you'll get a ride in the squad car, just like this guy did.

We didn't see much in the video, so we don't know what the guy was doing (he sounded like he may have been intoxicated)- I'd be willing to bet he wasn't just standing quietly on the corner watching the festivities. In any event, its a pretty safe bet that when a guy shows up at an Obama victory celebration wearing a "McCain" shirt, he's looking for trouble. I guarantee the cops weren't thinking "lets destroy this guy's Constitutional rights", they were thinking "lets get this jackass out of here before a fight breaks out."

[iVoteConstitution]

I guarantee the cops weren't thinking "lets destroy this guy's Constitutional rights", they were thinking "lets get this jackass out of here before a fight breaks out."

and you're entitled to that opinion. Unfortunately, it's not illegal to peacefully protest. And you should fight for that constitutional right, just like everyone else.

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[Anti Federalist]

Well, the title of this thread is disingenuous. The guy wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, he was arrested for no moving along after being told to do so several times.

Cops do this all the time, folks- it doesn't mean we are all going to a Gulag next week. The do the same thing at events all around the country, even if no "crime" is committed.

Try getting in a loud, belligerent argument at your county fair next year. Odds are pretty darned good that you (and the person you are arguing with) will be separated and told to move along. Its not that the cops are trying to "crush your freedom"- they are trying to keep a potentially volatile situation from exploding into violence. If you don't move along, you'll get a ride in the squad car, just like this guy did.

We didn't see much in the video, so we don't know what the guy was doing (he sounded like he may have been intoxicated)- I'd be willing to bet he wasn't just standing quietly on the corner watching the festivities. In any event, its a pretty safe bet that when a guy shows up at an Obama victory celebration wearing a "McCain" shirt, he's looking for trouble. I guarantee the cops weren't thinking "lets destroy this guy's Constitutional rights", they were thinking "lets get this jackass out of here before a fight breaks out."

"She deserved to get raped because of the skimpy clothes she was wearing. She was looking for trouble."

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[sratiug]

The question I would have is: Was he actually arrested after this video was taken? That would have been damn inappropriate.

Either way, not enough information to say much other than those Obama supporters are freaking scary.

Shut the fuck up. Comments like this should qualify you for a lifetime ban. Don't be stupid. Don't defend fascism here. Where's my handcuffs, somebody get my handcuffs... this person has the wrong text on their forum post shirt.

[gls]

The police didn't want to do their job and protect him from an unruly mob so they hauled him in. I hope he sues for wrongful arrest.

Between this and the black panthers intimidating people at the polling stations, I don't think I'll be going to Philadelphia anytime soon.

[Goldwater64]

Truly scary. That's about all that can be said.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Shut the fuck up. Comments like this should qualify you for a lifetime ban. Don't be stupid. Don't defend fascism here. Where's my handcuffs, somebody get my handcuffs... this person has the wrong text on their forum post shirt.

You are a complete idiot. I didn't defend fascism you freaking moron. Learn to read.

[James Madison]

"It takes a man little to defend speech he supports; it takes a patriot to defend speech he opposes."-Me

[devil21]

It's not the job of police to protect you from yourself.

[tremendoustie]

Well, the title of this thread is disingenuous. The guy wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, he was arrested for no moving along after being told to do so several times.

Cops do this all the time, folks- it doesn't mean we are all going to a Gulag next week. The do the same thing at events all around the country, even if no "crime" is committed.

Try getting in a loud, belligerent argument at your county fair next year. Odds are pretty darned good that you (and the person you are arguing with) will be separated and told to move along. Its not that the cops are trying to "crush your freedom"- they are trying to keep a potentially volatile situation from exploding into violence. If you don't move along, you'll get a ride in the squad car, just like this guy did.

We didn't see much in the video, so we don't know what the guy was doing (he sounded like he may have been intoxicated)- I'd be willing to bet he wasn't just standing quietly on the corner watching the festivities. In any event, its a pretty safe bet that when a guy shows up at an Obama victory celebration wearing a "McCain" shirt, he's looking for trouble. I guarantee the cops weren't thinking "lets destroy this guy's Constitutional rights", they were thinking "lets get this jackass out of here before a fight breaks out."

It's not the job of the cops to determine that someone is "looking for trouble", it's the job of the cops to stop people when they are committing a crime, or arrest them after the fact. I don't give a rats ass if the cops think exercising your freedom of speech in a particular way might lead to "trouble". Speaking against the government and for personal liberty on the street is likely to lead to trouble also, at least for them.

Apparently the first amendment protects our right to free speech unless the cops don't like the speech, then they can arrest you. Nice to know. I guess the fourth amendment protects us from unlawful search or seizure, unless we have something the government doesn't like, which could lead to "trouble". I guess the press is free as long as they only say things that can't lead to trouble, and we can keep our guns if the government is sure it won't lead to trouble.

I'm so glad our rights are being protected.

[Brad Zink]

Here's the full video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vynzd9cpQRQ