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inibo
11-07-2008, 07:25 PM
Ouch, that's going to leave a mark. :D


For all intents and purposes, conservatism — as a national movement — is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.

Soon after G.W. Bush was elected, it quickly became obvious he was no conservative. On the contrary, George Bush has forever established himself as a Big-Government, warmongering, internationalist neocon. Making matters worse was the way Bush presented himself as a conservative Christian. In fact, Bush's portrayal of himself as a conservative Christian paved the way for the betrayal and ultimate destruction of conservatism (something I also predicted years ago). And the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

For example, Bush and his fellow neocons like to categorize and promote themselves as being "pro-life," but they have no hesitation or reservation about killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in reckless and unconstitutional foreign wars. By the same token, how many unborn babies were saved by six years of all three branches of the federal government being under the control of these "pro-life" neocons? Not one! Ask the more than eight million unborn babies who were killed in their mothers' wombs during the last eight years how "pro-life" George W. Bush and John McCain are.

As a result of this insanely inconsistent and pixilated punditry, millions of Americans now laugh at the very notion of "pro-life" conservatism. Bush and McCain have made a mockery of the very term.

Consider, too, the way Bush and McCain have allowed the international bankers on Wall Street to bilk America's taxpayers out of trillions of dollars. Yes, I know Obama also supported the Wall Street bailout, but it was the Republican Party that controlled the White House for the last eight years and the entire federal government for six out of the last eight years. In fact, the GOP has won seven out of the previous ten Presidential elections. They have controlled Supreme Court appointments for the past thirty-plus years. They have appointed the majority of Treasury secretaries and Federal Reserve chairmen. They have presided over the greatest trade imbalances, the biggest deficits, the biggest spending increases, and now the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression.
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In South Carolina, for example, pro-life Christians and conservatives had an opportunity to vote for a principled conservative-constitutionalist for the U.S. Senate. He is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, and pro-traditional marriage. He believes in securing our borders against illegal immigration. He is against the bailout for the Wall Street banksters. His conservative credentials are unassailable. But the vast majority of Christian conservatives (including those at Bob Jones University) voted for his liberal opponent instead.

The man that the vast majority of Christian conservatives voted for in South Carolina is a Big-Government neocon. He supported the bailout of the Wall Street banksters. He is a rabid supporter of granting amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. In fact, this man has a conservative rating of only 29% in the current Freedom Index of the New American Magazine.

Why did Christian conservatives support the liberal neocon and not the solid pro-life conservative? Because the conservative ran as a Democrat and the neocon is a Republican. I'm talking about the race between Bob Conley and Lindsey Graham, of course.

Had South Carolina's pastors, Christians, evangelicals, and pro-life conservatives voted for Bob Conley, he would be the new senator-elect from that state. In fact, Bob was so conservative that the Democratic leadership in South Carolina endorsed the Republican, Lindsey Graham! No matter. A majority of evangelical Christians in South Carolina stupidly rejected Bob Conley and voted for Graham.

Read the rest... (http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/3904-conservatives-lost-more-than-an-election-)

Sergeant Brother
11-07-2008, 07:38 PM
An excellent article by Baldwin.

youngbuck
11-07-2008, 07:42 PM
Just goes to show how dumb the public is. And, just like the bible says: in the end times even the very elect will be deceived.

Theocrat
11-07-2008, 07:43 PM
That article reflects all of my sentiments toward the Christian conservatives who voted for the lesser of two evils (out of fear for Obama). Not only did they compromise hugely on the right principles, but they failed shamefully in their tactic of trying to get McCain in the White House.

More importantly, I think they showed a poor example towards the non-Christians in our country who actually stood on better principles than they did, and I believe the result will be a further driving away of unbelievers from the Church and its message because the Christian Church refused to be united and live by its message during this election.

HOLLYWOOD
11-07-2008, 08:07 PM
Great Call Chuck Baldwin!

I keep saying... Ignorance is Bliss

We have more Morons and Idiots per square mile than any where else on the planet.

It's going to take a depression and people starving and homeless for the Dumbed Down Public to realize the Extent of the Charade, Facade, Gimmicks, Lies, and Fleecing of the American Citizens.

Lindsey Gramham and the Democratic party is the PREFECT EXAMPLE of the 2 party dictorial gimmick of government.

Bob Conley should of communicating this like Chuck Baldwin just did... Bob needs some polishing in dealing with these tricky bastards that have been doing this for decades.

Pay it foward... pass Chuck's message along!

moostraks
11-08-2008, 07:46 AM
Boy do I share his seething frustration and anger at the ignorance of so-called pro-life Christians. This has been a thoroughly aggravating election cycle and so much energy has been devoted to fall on deaf ears. My greatest fear is with this systemic dumbing dumb of the public we will face an even more difficult battle as the belief to fall further into the evangelical mindset of preemptive war becomes the absolute standard bearer of conservatism. Much the same as the most liberal ideals of the pro-choice movement have corrupted the democratic party.

Pennsylvania
11-08-2008, 07:51 AM
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LibertyEagle
11-08-2008, 07:57 AM
Tell it like it is Chuck!!! :)

Conservative Christian
11-08-2008, 11:42 PM
Chuck pretty much nailed it. I was glad to see Ron endorse him, instead of Bob Barr.

However, I don't believe that conservatism as a national movement is "completely and thoroughly dead".

In need of genuine and capable leadership, yes.

Lovecraftian4Paul
11-09-2008, 12:03 AM
Awesome article. Should ring in the ears of any religious rightists with a shred of rational thought left too, coming from a Pastor.

inibo
11-09-2008, 12:20 AM
However, I don't believe that conservatism as a national movement is "completely and thoroughly dead".

We can talk about "real" conservatives all day long, but conservatism has come to mean two things: War and Puritanism.

Kludge
11-09-2008, 12:40 AM
We can talk about "real" conservatives all day long, but conservatism has come to mean two things: War and Puritanism.

Fuck those definitions. This is the second time Baldwin has managed to piss me off with his use of language (the first was when he was giving a speech and repeatedly used globalism in a NWO conspiracy sense).


Stop allowing people to alter our language for their own benefit!


Liberal =/= Social Liberal

Globalist =/= NWO supporter

Conservative =/= Neocon

libertarian =/= Anarchist

Capitalism =/= Corporatism

Ron Paul =/= 9/11 "truth", Don Black supporter, anarchist, etc.