What do you think about these comments on Ron Paul?

[Jeremy]

From some of the Republicans on that site



Wow, just wow. This is the most popular idea here? Libertarians (sounds a lot like Liberals to me) have no agenda other than Marijuana advocacy and so called "9/11 thruth" (trust me, that's a causal relationship). Yes, what a great idea, let's leave the future of the GOP in the hands of its most drug addled minds! Thanks, but no thanks.




Oh great. If it isn't the barking moonbats sent by Kos it must be the bat shit crazy Ron Paulian reactionaries. I wonder how many of them are Kossacks or Astroturfers... hmmm? I wonder.




Besides being an 'old grumpy white guy' himself, Dr. Rep. Ron Paul is soft on anti-american terrorists, soft on anti-american illegal immigrants, and soft on peaceful displays of nuclear strength and power. We should trade Dr. Rep. Ron Paul to the demoncrat party, for Rep. Joe Lieberman, who stood behind Gov Mother Sarah Palin better than most Republicans. But we'll need to keep an eye on him.

[mczerone]

Notice they attack not with reason, but with name calling and Misinformation.

This is why we can't hope to reform the GOP - ignoramuses can't handle actually thinking about any viewpoint other than their own. Which they came to not through logic, reasoning, philosophy, or even book learning but through peer ridicule and fear.

Scratch what I said about reforming the GOP. This is why we can't hope to save America.

[Minlawc]

I have to quote Yoda.
"That is why you fail."

[Jeremy]

Notice they attack not with reason, but with name calling and Misinformation.

This is why we can't hope to reform the GOP - ignoramuses can't handle actually thinking about any viewpoint other than their own. Which they came to not through logic, reasoning, philosophy, or even book learning but through peer ridicule and fear.

Scratch what I said about reforming the GOP. This is why we can't hope to save America.

No, we can. :rolleyes: There isn't much we can do.

[constitutional]

"Gov Mother Sarah Palin".

:bunchies:

[nodope0695]

Tellin' y'all, the GOP is a shipwreck...I say let 'em sink. Make the GOP the third party...they're nothing but a bunch of NeoCons now anyway - republican only in name, but not in substance.

Let the GOP sink. Perhaps in a few decades we'll take a dive and have a look that what remains of the former glory of the GOP at the bottom of the sea.

:bunchies:

[Jeremy]

Tellin' y'all, the GOP is a shipwreck...I say let 'em sink. Make the GOP the third party...they're nothing but a bunch of NeoCons now anyway - republican only in name, but not in substance.

Let the GOP sink. Perhaps in a few decades we'll take a dive and have a look that what remains of the former glory of the GOP at the bottom of the sea.

:bunchies:

That's the same thing the founders of the LP and CP thought I'm sure... they aren't going anywhere. The Democratic Party did MUCH worse when Reagan was elected and now look where they are today. We must stop talking about waiting for a 3rd party because that's not going to happen. The GOP is weak, so we must pounce. We must be a part of it now so we are the leaders when it comes to life again.

[ihsv]

Wow, just wow. This is the most popular idea here? Libertarians (sounds a lot like Liberals to me) have no agenda other than Marijuana advocacy and so called "9/11 thruth" (trust me, that's a causal relationship). Yes, what a great idea, let's leave the future of the GOP in the hands of its most drug addled minds! Thanks, but no thanks.


My response: Well, how about we leave the future of the GOP with people like you? How's it working out for you so far?


Oh great. If it isn't the barking moonbats sent by Kos it must be the bat shit crazy Ron Paulian reactionaries. I wonder how many of them are Kossacks or Astroturfers... hmmm? I wonder.

My response: I think you're jealous. Go smoke one and then we'll talk :)


Besides being an 'old grumpy white guy' himself, Dr. Rep. Ron Paul is soft on anti-american terrorists, soft on anti-american illegal immigrants, and soft on peaceful displays of nuclear strength and power. We should trade Dr. Rep. Ron Paul to the demoncrat party, for Rep. Joe Lieberman, who stood behind Gov Mother Sarah Palin better than most Republicans. But we'll need to keep an eye on him.

My response: Spoken like a true statist. If you're still wondering why the GOP lost, then I'm afraid there isn't a great deal of hope for y'all.

War is peace, comrade

☭ All hail the motherland! ☭

[Andrew-Austin]

Besides being an 'old grumpy white guy' himself, Dr. Rep. Ron Paul is soft on anti-american terrorists, soft on anti-american illegal immigrants,

McCain is soft on domestic fascism, and his policies are anti-American.

McCain was fucking endorsed by members of Al-Qaeda because of his 'maverick' interventionist policies in the middle east. Interventionism can be debunked by simply cracking open a history book. McCain was for amnesty like all of his fellow neocon brethren.



and soft on peaceful displays of nuclear strength and power

Displays of aggression are not peaceful, possible oxymoron detected.



We should trade Dr. Rep. Ron Paul to the demoncrat party, for Rep. Joe Lieberman, who stood behind Gov Mother Sarah Palin better than most Republicans. But we'll need to keep an eye on him.

Ron Paul's economic policies are superior to that of any other Republican in the federal government, if you would trade him for Lieberman just because you don't understand his foreign policy, well that really explains why the GOP just got their ass handed to them by a bunch of socialists.

You should keep an eye on him, you might learn a thing or two.

[Anti Federalist]

Allow me a re-post.

I listened to Hannity on the radio the other day, just to see what the mouthpieces had to say.

Well, this newly self described "conservative in exile" was quick to point out the GOP failures and why they were crushed Tuesday.

Paraphrasing he said: "republicans (and by extension I'm assuming conservatives) must be the party of national security, they must be the party the realizes America's unique role in bringing freedom and democracy to the world". And so on.

He then, in the very next breath, said that the GOP must stand for the constitution and limited government.

Welcome to the FAILroad Mr. Hannity.

No where in the constitution does it give the authority to the government to be the "bringer of democracy" at gunpoint, to the world proper. Nowhere does it give the authority to establish a national security state. And nothing will grow the power and size of the state faster than endless war.

You cannot be in favor of global empire and claim to be a champion of the constitution and limited government at the same time.

The two are mutually exclusive and cannot be reconciled.

As has already been mentioned, the GOP had a choice: either stay true to it's principles and platform or choose empire and war.

They chose war.

And they were thrown out, vigorously.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Any so-called conservative who'd take Lieberman over Ron Paul is the biggest damn fool. It shows how blindled by "keep us in Iraq for all eternity" some of them have become. Lieberman is a liberal.


Dr. Rep. Ron Paul is soft on anti-american terrorists

Iraq was such a winning issue in 2006 and 2008, huh? It is the single biggest reason the republicans got slaughtered in those two elections and why Bush's job approval rating is in the toilet. I truly believe that had we never invaded Iraq, there would be no speaker Nancy Pelosi and no president Barack Obama right now.

But by all means, let the republicans campaign on "keeping us in Iraq" in 2010. I'm sure that is the quickest way back to political relevancy.
:rolleyes:

[Anti Federalist]

Forget the Honeymoon

Getting down to bizness with Obama
by Justin Raimondo

When I hear talk of a "honeymoon" for the President-elect – to last as long as six months, by some accounts – I think: "Fine. You lay off, and I'll do the same." But oh no, it doesn't work that way. Obama has already started in on us, and he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet. I'm talking about his appointments, starting with Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff.

Hey, I thought we were gong to be treated to a bipartisan approach by the Obama administration, that he was going to "reach across the aisle" – what happened to that? Señor Emanuel is known as a street-fightin' Democrat, and that's understating it. A Rolling Stone profile of Emanuel had this to say:

"There's the story of how, the night after Clinton was elected, Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting 'Dead! . . . Dead! . . . Dead!' and plunging the knife into the table after every name. 'When he was done, the table looked like a lunar landscape,' one campaign veteran recalls. 'It was like something out of The Godfather.'"

He's mean, he's ultra-partisan, and he's a fully-paid up member in good standing of the War Party: during the Democratic primaries in 2006, when Emanuel headed up the Dems' congressional operation, he backed pro-war candidates over antiwar Democrats every time. As Bill Safire put it on "Meet the Press" just before Tim Russert died:

"What about Rahm Emanuel [for Vice President], the most powerful voice in the House of Representatives that agrees with Hillary Clinton on foreign affairs? He's a hawk. And although he's a rootin' tootin' liberal on domestic affairs, he is a hawk on foreign affairs. I was at the – a roast for him for Epilepsy Association, and Hillary Clinton was there, and I said, quite frankly, here you have the hawkish side of the Democratic Party. If they get together, the bumper sticker will read 'Invade and bomb with Hillary and Rahm.'"

When the House Democratic majority passed a military appropriations bill slated for Iraq, a clause that would have prohibited an attack on Iran without a vote in Congress was deleted at the instigation of Emanuel and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. When Rep. John Murtha presaged the popular rebellion against the Iraq war by coming out against it in no uncertain terms, Emanuel urged Pelosi to refrain from endorsing his call for withdrawal, arguing that it would hurt the Democrats politically.

With the smiling face of Don Obama serving as a front for the knife-wielding Emanuel and his "legendary intensity" – as Rolling Stone writer Joshua Green puts it – one has to wonder: what (or who) else does the Prez-elect have in store for us?

The answer is: Jane Harman – as head of the CIA! (If she doesn't get it, not to worry: she's also up for head of Homeland Security – and if she doesn't get that, she's on the short list for National Intelligence czarina).

Will somebody go see if Glenn Greenwald is okay? I fear he may have done something drastic, especially after all that gushing he's done over the Dear Leader.

Harman has always taken the side of the Bushies when it comes to eavesdropping: during Gen Michael Hayden's confirmation hearings for CIA director, she was against making government eavesdropping an issue. When the New York Times revealed the illegal eavesdropping program authorized by Bush, she was outraged – at the Times, which she strongly hinted ought to be prosecuted. She was pro-war, and did her part in spreading the "bad intel" she now claims to have been fooled by – declaring not only that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but also purveying the rather far-out notion that al-Qaeda had taken up residence there prior to the US invasion.

Harman's ambition is matched only by her recklessness: she came up against the FBI, in 2006, when she was investigated for going a little too far in her aggressive campaign to retain her seat as head of the House Intelligence Committee. Apparently she had AIPAC officials and major Democratic donors personally lobby Pelosi, in return for the promise that she, Harman, would intercede on behalf of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, two top AIPAC officials currently being prosecuted for stealing US top secret intelligence and passing it on to Israeli officials. Law enforcement officials aver hard evidence for this quid pro quo was never uncovered. I'm hoping, however, that some Republican back-bencher has the balls to bring it up at her confirmation hearing. Perhaps they could call Pelosi as a witness.

Combined with the foreign policy views of Dennis Ross, Obama's senior advisor for Middle East affairs – who is reportedly up for the National Security Advisor slot – what seems to be shaping up is a perfect trifecta of trouble on the horizon. The old adage that presidents rarely govern in synch with the way they campaign applies here, and in spades. Change? Not in the foreign policy realm, buster. Indeed, if any change is involved, it may well be for the worse.

By the time Obama is through making his appointments, all those Hollywood liberals over at the HuffPuffPost will be huffing and puffing with outrage: and, in true Hollywood style, they'll be screaming: "Forget the honeymoon – I want a divorce!"

But it will be too late for that. The Big O marches on, with all sorts of plans for our future, including perhaps "national service," and – for sure – a significant ratcheting-up of the war in Afghanistan. In the meantime, Iran continues to loom large as an issue.

Just as Obama was claiming his victory, the Iranians were warning us to stay away from their airspace – there have apparently been a number of close calls recently. Also, the Russians announced they were putting missiles near their border with Poland, to counter the sophisticated anti-missile "defense" systems put in place by the US and its Eastern European ally. Adding insult to injury, the official explanation for the US deployment is that the anti-missile system is there to guard against an Iranian attack. Whether the Obama-ites buy into this sort of malarkey or not isn't clear. What is all too obvious, however, is that President Obama will continue the West's war of words – and "soft power" – against the Russians, a prospect that bodes ill for the cause of peace.

So, you thought you were turning over a whole new leaf for the country when you marked your ballot for the Dear Leader – didn't you? Well, surprise – surprise!

~ Justin Raimondo

[georgiaboy]

Bingo, AF, AA, & ihsv, this is the time and place, while this loss is still stinging, to take the arguments right to them. They're off balance and we can topple them. go, go, go.

[rprprs]

No, we can. :rolleyes: There isn't much we can do.

When I read your post, I thought that should be our motto. NO, We Can!

(Quick and dirty)
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm139/rprprs/paul_no_we_cancopy.jpg

And yeah, I know.... FAIL! lol

[ihsv]

When I read your post, I thought that should be our motto. NO, We Can!

(Quick and dirty)
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm139/rprprs/paul_no_we_cancopy.jpg

And yeah, I know.... FAIL! lol


Awsome! Now put a nice, big, fat underline beneath the "We" and it'll be perfect!

[Carole]

From some of the Republicans on that site
What site???????

url please. :)

[ClockwiseSpark]

What site???????

url please. :)

Make sure you vote.

http://rebuildtheparty.com/

[ihsv]

ideas.re (http://ideas.re)buildtheparty.com/ (http://buildtheparty.com/)

[Malakai]

Most of the people who really understand political philosophy are libertarians. Big minority. Most people will argue with you till their heads explode not realizing they know nothing about anything relevant to politics or econ.

[trey4sports]

nothing more than ridicule, there mad and scared thats it. They feel threatened by our strong belief set.

human nature says that no army can stop an idea whos time has come, and it seems our ideas are proving truer by the minute. Continued articulation of liberty principles will keep the message on the tracks, further a little nudge of neocon misery should kick us into passing gear.........






















besides, my sources tell me the billionare is going to support us in 2012

[WRellim]

You can find assholes and idiots in ANY crowd.

Believe it or not, there are even some here on RPF.

[moostraks]

nothing more than ridicule, there mad and scared thats it. They feel threatened by our strong belief set.

human nature says that no army can stop an idea whos time has come, and it seems our ideas are proving truer by the minute. Continued articulation of liberty principles will keep the message on the tracks, further a little nudge of neocon misery should kick us into passing gear.........






















besides, my sources tell me the billionare is going to support us in 2012

Ooo, ooo...I want to know what billionare? When will we find out who it is?? Next week??? :D:rolleyes:

[Driftar]

I've gotten banned from the hannity forums several times, and never for a great reason.

[Flash]

Wow, just wow. This is the most popular idea here? Libertarians (sounds a lot like Liberals to me)

Ya'll just a bunch of Lib-err-Alls. You wanna let the alqueda win this war?

i'll continue this post later, american gladiators is on.