Obama will REQUIRE community service -- PLEASE DIGG

[jrich4rpaul]

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

http://www.change.gov/americaserves


Digg: http://digg.com/politics/Change_gov_or_Slaves_gov_Obama_wants_to_REQUIRE_se rvice
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7bv7z/obama_plan_will_require_50_hours_of_community/
Note: Admin added links.

EDIT: After the posting of this, the wording on the page has been changed. Wonder why?

It NOW says:


The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

[Call Me V]

Wow fuck that. He better be doing it first.:mad:

He can suck it.

[Mahkato]

Change.gov? Since when do not-yet-inaugurated citizens get their own .gov address?

[Bruno]

http://www.change.gov/americaserves

www.change.gov/americaenslaved is more like it.

[Mahkato]

So ... will home and private-school students be exempt from this requirement?

[constitutional]

Change has come to America
Last night, President-Elect Barack Obama delivered the final speech of a presidential campaign that promised change in Washington.

This is propaganda in full swing.

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

ok. And if we refuse to do the community service?

[tonesforjonesbones]

Nazi Communist. Hitlers youth. tones

[Carole]

http://www.change.gov/americaserves
Obama cannot enforce community service by people who cannot even afford the transportation to get to it.

Obama cannot force anyone to do anything. They must WANT to do it and be able to do it.

Once again, it is like forcing democracy at the point of a gun.

One leads and encourages successfully by example, not by force.

Is he planning to subsidize this? :D

[Mahkato]

http://www.change.gov/page/s/application


Thank you for your expression of interest in serving in the Obama-Biden Administration.
If you are a user with disabilities who is having trouble accessing the appointments application form, please contact the Obama-Biden Transition Project at 202-540-3000 or jobs@ptt.gov.


What's PTT.gov?

[Carole]

So ... will home and private-school students be exempt from this requirement?
There will be new laws to prevent home and private schools from existing.

Something similar to the way he plans to bankrupt the coal industry, only it will be the home and private schools.

Of course, his children will be able to attend private schools.:p

[zach]

100 hours? How is forced community service help going to improve motivation for the "better of America" if the person doesn't want to do it in the first place?

[awake]

Obama cannot enforce community service by people who cannot even afford the transportation to get to it.

Obama cannot force anyone to do anything. They must WANT to do it and be able to do it.

Once again, it is like forcing democracy at the point of a gun.

One leads and encourages successfully by example, not by force.

Is he planning to subsidize this? :D

Umm, yes he can... remember all the executive orders Bush signed?

[jrich4rpaul]

ok. And if we refuse to do the community service?

I can't wait to see Obama's answer for that.

[tonesforjonesbones]

oh yeah...they probably won't outlaw them..but like cali..they will make it so regulated ..like the parents have to have a teaching degree from some major college...BUT..there is a way around it. I taught for a home school co op where MANY of the parents had teaching degrees...tones

[Carole]

ok. And if we refuse to do the community service?
Most likely we will be further taxed for existing. :D

[constitutional]

100 hours? How is forced community service help going to improve motivation for the "better of America" if the person doesn't want to do it in the first place?

Can the government force upon you such mandate? Isn't this pretty much a light version of a military draft?

[awake]

Quite frankly when the economy implodes you will be forced to 'volunteer' to keep the services going... note the many and various corps?

[StateofTrance]

Someone posted that on Reddit..

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7bv7z/obama_plan_will_require_50_hours_of_community/


Vote it up guys...

[MsDoodahs]

Can the government force upon you such mandate?

"Yes We Can" is his slogan FOR A REASON.

[ForrestLayne]

Doesn't Israel have a mandatory 2 year civil service program? I have heard that.

[gls]

"Hey kids, are you mad that you don't get to be a slave to the federal government like your parents? Well, have we got a deal for you..."

[awake]

So when you get in trouble with the law , will they just double or triple the community service?

[mport1]

Wow, that is absurd.

[tggroo7]

Quite frankly when the economy implodes you will be forced to 'volunteer' to keep the services going... note the many and various corps?

Well that's good, I feel bad for all those executives of failing organizations. Every American should be forced to help these poor people out. Poor corporate execs, it's so sad.

[awake]

We will force you to cooperate with "us" - keep those stars in your eyes for the "ONE"

[Mahkato]

Yes You Will.

[kirkblitz]

come and try mr obama. i have a lawyer and a gun

[Mahkato]

I really want this to be a spoof site.

[awake]

Well that's good, I feel bad for all those executives of failing organizations. Every American should be forced to help these poor people out. Poor corporate execs, it's so sad.


Umm, the cooperations will be brought into replace the government systems as cost necessary solutions to over bloated systems...

[SeanEdwards]

Yeah, I'll get right on that community service, Barack, right after I see some Goldman Sachs executives picking up litter on my street.

[dannno]

Yes You Will.

:D

[MsDoodahs]

yeah, i'll get right on that community service, barack, right after i see some goldman sachs executives picking up litter on my street.

roflol!

[mczerone]

So ... will home and private-school students be exempt from this requirement?

you're assuming homeschooling will still be allowed by the "new and improved" NCLB.

[StateofTrance]

Someone posted that on Reddit..

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7bv7z/obama_plan_will_require_50_hours_of_community/


Vote it up guys...

Fucking Obama sheeps downvoting..Quick guys..register and upmode..It just takes 2 seconds unlike gay sites like Digg...

[thomaspaine23]

digg it:

http://digg.com/politics/Change_gov_or_Slaves_gov_Obama_wants_to_REQUIRE_se rvice

[dannno]

digg it:

http://digg.com/politics/Change_gov_or_Slaves_gov_Obama_wants_to_REQUIRE_se rvice

Dugg

[Mahkato]

http://i36.tinypic.com/2j11lrs.jpghttp://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2j11lrs&s=4

[paulitics]

Requiring chldren to work where there is no pay? This is getting scary. WTF.

[ihsv]

Gosh... I was reading the links under "Agenda", and I haven't seen such a comprehensive list of socialist principles and programs since reading "The Communist Manifesto".

Good heavens this man scares me!

[newyearsrevolution08]

Try and get my kids to do that....

good luck buddy

[newyearsrevolution08]

you're assuming homeschooling will still be allowed by the "new and improved" NCLB.

very good point, aren't they still trying to ban home schooling statewide in many states already?

[mczerone]

What scares me are the defenders. People that are bitching at us, for pointing out how retarded this all is. They are numerous and adamant, and not known for tempering their temperament.

All of the "gun grabber" and "wealth redistribution" talk made me uncomfortable. Forced Community service is where I draw the line.

I might sign up for slave uprising tonight.

ETA: the registration form at slave uprising is broken, who can contact someone to fix the image verification?

[SnappleLlama]

Nope. Not doin' it.

[Mahkato]

I can't find which page he talks about closing the borders to keep comrades from accidentally leaving the People's Republic of America and missing out on all the benefits provided by our Dear Leader.

[MsDoodahs]

Fucking Obama sheeps downvoting..Quick guys..register and upmode..It just takes 2 seconds unlike gay sites like Digg...

I did, hit the up arrow to move it on up.

:)

[JVParkour]

I told some people at my university and EVERYONE on my entire hall freaked out and was standing in my room while we read this. Dont worry, this will never pass, and if it does, we will have awoken more sheeple! Some very timid guys on my hall directly told me they would protest and rally.

This is some crazy s***

[StateofTrance]

Look at the sheeples here :

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7bv7z/obama_plan_will_require_50_hours_of_community/

[awake]

I told some people at my university and EVERYONE on my entire hall freaked out and was standing in my room while we read this. Dont worry, this will never pass, and if it does, we will have awoken more sheeple! Some very timid guys on my hall directly told me they would protest and rally.

This is some crazy s***

In mobacracy you only need small well indoctrinated percentage of the demographic paired with the full might of the media to pressure you that you are anti American and against the good of the country... turn coat... etc.

[paulitics]

I seriously don't see how he can get this done. 1) People are generally tired and lazy after work or school 2) The draft doesn't work in America, and neither will this for the same reasons 3) This is not Israel, different culture, different values, different people.

[vodalian]

What's scary is the amount of people who will blindly follow him, regardless of how fucked up his policies are. Hell, he even has people from this very forum under his spell. Scary stuff.

[SnappleLlama]

What's scary is the amount of people who will blindly follow him, regardless of how fucked up his policies are. Hell, he even has people from this very forum under his spell. Scary stuff.

This...times one billion.

[mczerone]

Now we're just called "lazy" and we "don't want to have better communities". F**k these socialists. I understand that giving back to a community is a virtuous thing to do, and I've done it. Requiring community service devalues legitimate volunteering and creates resentment among those forced to "give." It creates a false sense of "completeness" for those that give the bare minimum number of hours - likely half-assed in order to fill the time requirement, without regard for whatever "good" they are supposed to be working toward.

Just like the campaign workers he left high and dry, we're all Obolunteers now.

[Sergeant Brother]

Reminds me of Triumph of the Will for some reason - the scene with Hitler looking out over all of the workers with shovels.

Obama will easily be able to pass this. He is linking it to school after all, which liberal big government has 100% control over already. They will just make it a requirement for graduation and nobody will be able to do a thing about it. As for seniors, he could probably figure out a way to withhold social security from those who wont.

[SnappleLlama]

Now we're just called "lazy" and we "don't want to have better communities". F**k these socialists. I understand that giving back to a community is a virtuous thing to do, and I've done it. Requiring community service devalues legitimate volunteering and creates resentment among those forced to "give." It creates a false sense of "completeness" for those that give the bare minimum number of hours - likely half-assed in order to fill the time requirement, without regard for whatever "good" they are supposed to be working toward.

Just like the campaign workers he left high and dry, we're all Obolunteers now.

Absolutely. I volunteer right now, for one of the local libraries. I do that because I want to, and because I'm in grad school for Library Science. I don't need the government telling me what to do with my own time.

Arseholes. Damn, I am so fired up right now! :mad:

[qh4dotcom]

I recall I read somewhere that if you did this community service you would get a tax credit.

That hasn't changed?

[satchelmcqueen]

and on top of that some college programs leave a person with absolutely no spare time anyway. my wife has been in paramedic school for a year now and is almost done. between her school, free clinicals she has to do to pass the program and her usual 24 hour work shifts, she is home maybe 10 hours a week and that is spent sleeping or doing homework.


eother way. we are screwed. things have went to far and this is all over with. i will not do this crap and neither will my kids. i work hard enough at my job and required community service is nothing but slavery. i give back to my community by holding down a job and supporting my family so no one else has to. fuck obama!

[powerofreason]

Someone posted that on Reddit..

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7bv7z/obama_plan_will_require_50_hours_of_community/


Vote it up guys...

Has anyone else read the comments? I'm now really, really, sorry Obama got elected. Every fucking bullshit law and rule he imposes will be worshipped by the sheeple. We have a fucking dictator now. He has the House, the Senate, and the Sheeple.

[MRoCkEd]

An Obama supporter responded with this:


Obama is not requiring service - rather, he is saying that if you want to be guaranteed a free college education, you will have to do service, and he is expanding current service from just military to lots of other possibilities.

[Cowlesy]

I already perform mandatory community service. It is called paying a SHITLOAD of taxes.

[chrisc888]

I see a few problems with this:

1) It's unconstitutional by the 13th amendment. That's why they can give criminals community service sentences.
2) There will be a backlog of people all at once trying to work with a limited number of organizations. There are only so many service organizations to work with - unless he just makes a new executive department to find things to do. (probably will be the case)
3) What about poorer teens who need to have a PAYING job to help support their family? They would have no time for this.
4) I don't want to do it.
5) It's freaking scary that this might happen. I hope congress has enough dignity left to vote it down. Hell, for all we know, he'll try to bypass the congress altogether.

[bricklayer]

Rahm on Charlie Rose speaking about "Universal Service"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYpjPq5rbA (See 6:00 on, particularly 6:45~7:45)

[torchbearer]

they can kiss my ass.
the only reason I pay my property taxes is because i'm out gunned by the sheriff's department.
Any force labor will be met with resistance.
I feel the spirit of '76 swelling.
Obama may have been the medicine we needed to mass produce the red pill.

[TastyWheat]

Our first black president and he decides to bring back slavery. You gotta love the irony.

[libertarian4321]

ok. And if we refuse to do the community service?

Well, this is hardly a new or revolutionary idea.

My little High School made me do this almost 30 years ago. I'm sure lots of other schools already do this.

It was a requirement for graduation, just like chemistry, math, or Phys. Ed. You don't do the work, you don't graduate, simple as that.

It wasn't a big deal- a lot of people did really simple stuff, like painting the bleachers at the football field, planting trees, picking up litter, tutoring, stuff like that. Others did harder stuff like visiting old folks homes or volunteering at charity fundraisers. Almost anything useful would qualify. A lot of us who were already volunteering with other school and civic organizations (e.g. Boy Scouts), had the requirement done by the end of our freshman year.

50 hours over 4 years ain't much, folks. Basically, 1 or 2 Saturdays a year, and your done.

[torchbearer]

Well, this is hardly a new or revolutionary idea.

My little High School made me do this almost 30 years ago. I'm sure lots of other schools already do this.

It was a requirement for graduation, just like chemistry, math, or Phys. Ed. You don't do the work, you don't graduate, simple as that.

It wasn't a big deal- a lot of people did really simple stuff, like painting the bleachers at the football field, planting trees, picking up litter, tutoring, stuff like that. Others did harder stuff like visiting old folks homes or volunteering at charity fundraisers. Almost anything useful would qualify. A lot of us who were already volunteering with other school and civic organizations (e.g. Boy Scouts), had the requirement done by the end of our freshman year.

50 hours over 4 years ain't much, folks. Basically, 1 or 2 Saturdays a year, and your done.


A school requirement that affects one school is ok. Go to a different school.
The federal government requiring forced labor is communism.
Wake the fuck up.

[Zera]

I remember him mentioning community service in one of the debates, but he actually said that it would pay for your college if you did it or tax cuts and stuff. I don't think it's actually required for no reason.

[libertarian4321]

Any force labor will be met with resistance.


I think the "slavery" and "labor camp" comments are a bit extreme.

You probably did thousands of hours of homework in HS without screaming "SLAVERY!"

But they ask for 50 hours of planting trees (or whatever) and we become unhinged?

Plus, we know nothing about how this will be implemented- I'd be willing to be it will be left up to schools to voluntarily add this requirement.

So maybe we should wait and make sure we know the story before we light our torches, grab pitchforks, and start marching?

Just a thought...

[libertarian4321]

A school requirement that affects one school is ok. Go to a different school.
The federal government requiring forced labor is communism.
Wake the fuck up.

Well, if you want to become unhinged, fine, I can't stop you.

There are plenty of folks on these boards that are one bad day away from mentally snapping (frankly, I didn't think you were one of them).

I know we love to go NUTS about everything on these boards, I'm just trying to be the voice of reason here. I don't see it as the "end of the Republic" or "end of the world as we know it."

[libertarian4321]

I already perform mandatory community service. It is called paying a SHITLOAD of taxes.

Exactly.

Can I trade a 10% reduction in my taxes for 100 hours of community service (I already do way more than that anyway)? :)

[sirachman]

I think the "slavery" and "labor camp" comments are a bit extreme.

You probably did thousands of hours of homework in HS without screaming "SLAVERY!"

But they ask for 50 hours of planting trees (or whatever) and we become unhinged?

Plus, we know nothing about how this will be implemented- I'd be willing to be it will be left up to schools to voluntarily add this requirement.

So maybe we should wait and make sure we know the story before we light our torches, grab pitchforks, and start marching?

Just a thought...

Are you insane? This is the government requiring you to do unpaid labor! This will not stand PERIOD!

[Zera]

Can anyone confirm whether or not this requirement is for the college tuition or tax cut that Obama mentioned during one of the debates if you did community service?

[torchbearer]

I think the "slavery" and "labor camp" comments are a bit extreme.

You probably did thousands of hours of homework in HS without screaming "SLAVERY!"

But they ask for 50 hours of planting trees (or whatever) and we become unhinged?

Plus, we know nothing about how this will be implemented- I'd be willing to be it will be left up to schools to voluntarily add this requirement.

So maybe we should wait and make sure we know the story before we light our torches, grab pitchforks, and start marching?

Just a thought...


What happens when you don't comply?
You may enjoy being a slave, but i don't.
You don't think its bad that the government require you to do work.
You're retarded. In fact, what the fuck are you doing here???
Oh and hour a saturday isn't so bad... well, whose hour is it?
Whose labor is it? Whose life is it? Whose body is it?
Its not yours according to Obama. In fact, he is so generous, who is going to allow you to keep 99% of your week free. Isn't that swell?
He's a great guy.

[RickyJ]

I thought this was a joke but I checked it out and it looks legit. Obama won't last long with policies like that. Piss off Americans and you will feel their wrath no matter what office you hold.

[angelatc]

http://www.change.gov/page/s/application



What's PTT.gov?

TT = Transition Team

[tropicangela]

You're either doing community service, or you're with the terrorists.

[SnappleLlama]

I'm so angry right now. What the hell can we do?

[angelatc]

Well, if you want to become unhinged, fine, I can't stop you.

There are plenty of folks on these boards that are one bad day away from mentally snapping (frankly, I didn't think you were one of them).

I know we love to go NUTS about everything on these boards, I'm just trying to be the voice of reason here. I don't see it as the "end of the Republic" or "end of the world as we know it."

If you don't see mandatory government service as the end of the world as we know it, then we can't help you.

[Zera]

Can anyone confirm whether or not this requirement is for the college tuition or tax cut that Obama mentioned during one of the debates if you did community service?

Can anyone tell me!?

[RickyJ]

Are you insane? This is the government requiring you to do unpaid labor! This will not stand PERIOD!

Well I sure the heck am not going to do 50 hours of service at school unpaid unless I can teach the kids about 9/11 truth! If they let me do that then I will be more than happy to do it. :D

If not Obama can take his plan and stick it up his ass.

[kirkblitz]

this would surely lead the 2nd great revoltion in america if this had been implemented during our founding fathers days, but i wonder how many people will say its for the good of america and go for it :(:(:(

[RickyJ]

Can anyone tell me!?

Will you kind of go away already!

No one here knows anymore about this than you do. It is breaking news!

[libertarian4321]

If you don't see mandatory government service as the end of the world as we know it, then we can't help you.

You guys are right.

Grab a torch and a pitchfork and run screaming into the street.

Good luck!

I'd love to join you, but my pitchfork is in the repair shop and I'm not quite insane.

[Zera]

Will you kind of go away already!

No one here knows anymore about this than you do. It is breaking news!

Well then, can we stop predicting the fall of the nation until we know a little more? Because I swear, I remember he mentioned community service for college tuition and tax cuts during the debate. In that case, it wouldn't be mandatory, and may be beneficial.

[dwdollar]

You guys are right.

Grab a torch and a pitchfork and run screaming into the street.

Good luck!

And where is your line? I am curious.

[sirachman]

If you don't see mandatory government service as the end of the world as we know it, then we can't help you.

This is what I meant by the real work being after the election. We need to get better organized, and not relying solely on the internet or traditional communication. This all sounds so insane but I bet the next thing to go will be the net or at least a majority of its freedom.

[A. Havnes]

Has anyone looked at his sorry excuse for a civil rights page? http://www.change.gov/agenda/civilrights/

Ron Paul would shake his head.

[thomaspaine23]

Well then, can we stop predicting the fall of the nation until we know a little more? Because I swear, I remember he mentioned community service for college tuition and tax cuts during the debate. In that case, it wouldn't be mandatory, and may be beneficial.


And I'm going by the text off his freaking web page:

"The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps.

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
"

http://www.change.gov/americaserves

says nothing about voluntary, says nothing about tax credits for your kid doing service in midde school.....

[LibertyEagle]

I think the "slavery" and "labor camp" comments are a bit extreme.

You probably did thousands of hours of homework in HS without screaming "SLAVERY!"

But they ask for 50 hours of planting trees (or whatever) and we become unhinged?

Plus, we know nothing about how this will be implemented- I'd be willing to be it will be left up to schools to voluntarily add this requirement.

So maybe we should wait and make sure we know the story before we light our torches, grab pitchforks, and start marching?

Just a thought...

What is "libertarian" about Obama's plan for involuntary servitude? Please explain fully.

BTW, he did NOT say that his plan was limited to high school or college kids, like that is ok either, he said ALL Americans.

[torchbearer]

You guys are right.

Grab a torch and a pitchfork and run screaming into the street.

Good luck!

I'd love to join you, but my pitchfork is in the repair shop and I'm not quite insane.

:rolleyes: No, you are right. Go along to get along. Join the slavery.
Because its better to live a thousand years as a slave, than one day as a free man.

[mczerone]

I really want this to be a spoof site.


this would surely lead the 2nd great revoltion in america if this had been implemented during our founding fathers days, but i wonder how many people will say its for the good of america and go for it :(:(:(

At least 51% of us, as of Tuesday. :(

[Zera]

And I'm going by the text off his freaking web page:

"The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps.

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
"

http://www.change.gov/americaserves

says nothing about voluntary, says nothing about tax credits for your kid doing service in midde school.....

Well, I'll wait this one out until I make any commotion. 1) He doesn't have any power yet, and 2) the site has just launched, updates are inevitable.

[thomaspaine23]

Well, I'll wait this one out until I make any commotion. 1) He doesn't have any power yet, and 2) the site has just launched, updates are inevitable.

I figure better to make the commotion now, (so hopefully they'll backtrack and call it a "gaffe" etc.)

[dwdollar]

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m11d6-Obamas-chief-of-staff-choice-favors-compulsory-universal-service


It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs.

[paulitics]

Can anyone confirm whether or not this requirement is for the college tuition or tax cut that Obama mentioned during one of the debates if you did community service?

Even if it starts out this way, they are going to expand it, and later probably tie it in with universal health care in some way. This is key, because when they have control over your health, they have control over you.

In a few years, it will expand to cumpulsory service for private contracting companies (the same damn cronies) and multinational corporations. They may have to wait a few years for a "conservative" fascist to implement that idea. With another terrorist attack, well you get the idea of what happens, since a large chunk of this will be geared for homeland security. The economy will be so bad, people will have no other option. All of this is so damn familiar. These liberals that claim they are so smart, are the biggest suckers for propaganda. They are very weak minded.

[mczerone]

Well, I'll wait this one out until I make any commotion. 1) He doesn't have any power yet, and 2) the site has just launched, updates are inevitable.

I don't think anyone was going to do much, maybe organize a march, but until he implements the plan, and uses force to execute it, people will actively resist.


We're venting, because we're pissed.

[JVParkour]

If anyone has a Facebook, join the group College Students Against Required Community Service. http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=34167853197&success=#/group.php?gid=34167853197
Invite everyone you know.

Thanks!!!

[mczerone]

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m11d6-Obamas-chief-of-staff-choice-favors-compulsory-universal-service

Rahm:
It's time for a Real Patriot Act

[hypnagogue]

I'll be resisting this.

But let's not get crazy, let's get ready. This is a bill like any other, and it can be defeated. Hell, it's not even a bill yet, it's only a plan for a bill. We have an opportunity here. We have a compendium of intents that we can use to be ready to oppose each and every one.

[qh4dotcom]

Looks like most of you forgot something....that Congress has to approve any mandatory community service.

Yes, I know....It's likely that Obama will somehow manage to get it passed.

[libertarian4321]

What is "libertarian" about Obama's plan for involuntary servitude? Please explain fully.


The government passes "non libertarian" measures every day.

It has done so for decades.

I don't agree with these measures, but it doesn't mean that:

We are "slaves."

The Republic will collapse.

The "world as we know it" will end ended.

I know its not fashionable to try and tamp down the hysteria on these boards, but there are plenty of people going nuts- is it really that terrible to have someone come out and say that its not the end of the world?

How about a compromise. When this becomes a requirement (right now, its nothing more than a paragraph on a website), then you can grab your torch and pitchfork and run into the street screaming.

No one has been hauled off to the Gulag (or whatever you folks are envisioning) just yet...

[TruckinMike]

If y'all haven't seen this interview with G Edward Griffin and the Soviet Press agent (a KGB front organization), then do so now. It will explain all of Obamma's intentions concerning the _____Corps.

The Interview (http://www.heyokamagazine.com/heyoka.17.uribezmonov.htm)

Its all about indoctrination, conditioning, and control. If you start them young enough, you can own them by time they are old enough to vote.

TMike

[thomaspaine23]

The government passes "non libertarian" measures every day.

It has done so for decades.

I don't agree with these measures, but it doesn't mean that:

We are "slaves."

The Republic will collapse.

The "world as we know it" will end ended.

I know its not fashionable to try and tamp down the hysteria on these boards, but there are plenty of people going nuts- is it really that terrible to have someone come out and say that its not the end of the world?

How about a compromise. When this becomes a requirement (right now, its nothing more than a paragraph on a website), then you can grab your torch and pitchfork and run into the street screaming.

No one has been hauled off to the Gulag (or whatever you folks are envisioning) just yet...



Well, it's a paragraph off two sites,

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

"Integrate service into learning:
Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
"

notice the two can be mutually exclusive sentences....

Now I'm not saying they'll haul people off to the gulag, but the 50 hours has nothing to do with the tax credit.

[torchbearer]

Its all about indoctrination, conditioning, and control. If you start them young enough, you can own them by time they are old enough to vote.

TMike

That reminds me of something I learned growing up.
I had a cockitu(spelling?). Basically a caged bird. Born caged to a caged mother who was caged.
His wings were clipped as a youth. And he was content with the food i gave him
He was content with his cage.
He didn't know what it was to be able to fly or fly freely in the world.
But he seemed very content.

I also liked trapping animals. I developed a bird trap. Using crushed corn and my contraption, i trapped a cardinal.
A beautiful male. And I put this bird in a cage.
Guess what happened?
Within a day that bird had killed itself by banging itself into the bars until it was dead.

If you are born into captivity and have never experienced true freedom, you will be happy with your cage.

[torchbearer]

You can never truly capture a wild thing.

[SnappleLlama]

That reminds me of something I learned growing up.
I had a cockitu(spelling?). Basically a caged bird. Born caged to a caged mother who was caged.
His wings were clipped as a youth. And he was happy with the food i gave him
He was happy with his cage.
He didn't know what it was to be able to fly or fly freely in the world.
But he seemed very happy.

I also liked trapping animals. I developed a bird trap. Using crushed corn and my contraption, i trapped a cardinal.
A beautiful male. And I put this bird in a cage.
Guess what happened?
Within a day that bird had killed itself by banging itself into the bars until it was dead.

If you are born into captivity and have never experienced true freedom, you will be happy with your cage.

You're a poet. Nice analogy! :D

[MikeStanart]

IRONY

One step forward: An "African American" being elected
Another step back: Citizens being put into slavery.



lol.... obviously thats a tad extreme.... but its still funny.

[american.swan]

http://www.change.gov/page/s/application



What's PTT.gov?

I don't really know, but I'll guess it's PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TEAM.

[libertarian4321]

Well, it's a paragraph off two sites,

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

"Integrate service into learning:
Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
"

notice the two can be mutually exclusive sentences....

Now I'm not saying they'll haul people off to the gulag, but the 50 hours has nothing to do with the tax credit.

Well, first off, it says a "goal", not a law. That was my point initially, we know NOTHING about the implementation- whether its a "goal" (e.g. like the old "thousand points of light") where the President encourages something, or if its forced by law.

BTW, I LOVE the idea of a $4k tax credit for 100 hours community service- a "credit" is a straight tax reduction (far better than a tax "deduction"). That makes each hour of "community service" worth $40- more than most people make working. Plus, I already do more than that anyway, so for me, this would save $4k in taxes.

I doubt this will fly, though- if they did, too many people would take the credit, and the govt. would lose a ton of tax revenue.

[thomaspaine23]

Well, here is more info:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

Looks like its your school gets federal funding and you make your students serve....

"Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities.
The Obama-Biden plan sets a goal for all students to engage in service, with middle and high school students performing 50 hours of service each year"


"Service-Learning in Our Nation’s Schools: In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle
and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months."

[tangent4ronpaul]

Only in America would we elect our first black president and have him immediately try to bring back slavery.

This is absolutely surreal! - when did we fall into the rabbit hole?

I can see he has as much contempt for the 13th amendment as as he has for the second.

The upside? - a lot of the youth vote and black vote that helped get him elected is going to become a bit more conservative... and he will hopefully not get re-elected for a second term.

-t

[ghengis86]

you are all over reacting.

we'll just wait until this becomes a requirement to protest it. every legislator will wake up and so will the people, right when that first law hits the house. don't worry about gradual conditioning or laying foundations. that's what happen in 30's germany and look how well that turned out!

[tropicangela]

I really want this to be a spoof site.

Can only the government register .gov?

[ghengis86]

OMG a tax credit! you mean the government is going to be so generous in letting me keep a little bit more of my own money?! i just have to 'volunteer' (sic) and i get to keep a little bit more of the fruits of my labor?! this is awesome! what else can I do to keep the money i earn?

[Kludge]

can the government force upon you such mandate? Isn't this pretty much a light version of a military draft?


"yes we can" is his slogan for a reason.

:(

[thomaspaine23]

LOL wow that pdf is a great plan!

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf


"Expand to Meet Military Needs on the Ground: A major stress on our troops comes from insufficient ground forces. Barack Obama and Joe Biden support plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 troops and the Marines by 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly between deployments and decrease the strain on military families.

Solve Recruitment and Retention Problems: A nation of 300 million strong should not be struggling to find enough qualified citizens to serve. Recruiting and retention problems have been swept under the rug by lowering standards and using the “Stop Loss” program to keep our servicemen and women in the force after their enlistment has expired.

Even worse, the burdens of fixing these problems have been placed on the
shoulders of young recruiting sergeants, instead of leadership in Washington. America needs a leader who can inspire today’s youth to serve our nation the same way President Kennedy once did—reaching out to youth, as well as the parents, teachers, coaches, and community and religious leaders who influence them. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will make it a presidential imperative to restore the ethic of public service to the agenda of today’s youth, whether it be serving their local communities in such roles as teachers or first responders, or
serving in the military and reserve forces or diplomatic corps that keep our nation free and safe."


And this was the "peace" candidate?????

[ShowMeLiberty]

I seriously don't see how he can get this done. 1) People are generally tired and lazy after work or school 2) The draft doesn't work in America, and neither will this for the same reasons 3) This is not Israel, different culture, different values, different people.

Yeah, you'd think they couldn't pass the Patriot Act or the bailout either since those things are so un-American. But guess what...


I see a few problems with this:

1) It's unconstitutional by the 13th amendment. That's why they can give criminals community service sentences.
2) There will be a backlog of people all at once trying to work with a limited number of organizations. There are only so many service organizations to work with - unless he just makes a new executive department to find things to do. (probably will be the case)
3) What about poorer teens who need to have a PAYING job to help support their family? They would have no time for this.
4) I don't want to do it.
5) It's freaking scary that this might happen. I hope congress has enough dignity left to vote it down. Hell, for all we know, he'll try to bypass the congress altogether.

Logic will play no part in preventing this and the Democrat-led Congress will do Obama's bidding without batting an eye.


Our first black president and he decides to bring back slavery. You gotta love the irony.

If only it wasn't so sad...


Well, this is hardly a new or revolutionary idea.

My little High School made me do this almost 30 years ago. I'm sure lots of other schools already do this.

It was a requirement for graduation, just like chemistry, math, or Phys. Ed. You don't do the work, you don't graduate, simple as that.

It wasn't a big deal- a lot of people did really simple stuff, like painting the bleachers at the football field, planting trees, picking up litter, tutoring, stuff like that. Others did harder stuff like visiting old folks homes or volunteering at charity fundraisers. Almost anything useful would qualify. A lot of us who were already volunteering with other school and civic organizations (e.g. Boy Scouts), had the requirement done by the end of our freshman year.

50 hours over 4 years ain't much, folks. Basically, 1 or 2 Saturdays a year, and your done.

How does 1 or 2 Saturdays a year add up to 50 hours?


Well, here is more info:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

Looks like its your school gets federal funding and you make your students serve....

"Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities.
The Obama-Biden plan sets a goal for all students to engage in service, with middle and high school students performing 50 hours of service each year"


"Service-Learning in Our Nation’s Schools: In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle
and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months."

My god, talk about No Child Left Behind!!

[dwdollar]

The government passes "non libertarian" measures every day.

It has done so for decades.

I don't agree with these measures, but it doesn't mean that:

We are "slaves."

The Republic will collapse.

The "world as we know it" will end ended.

I know its not fashionable to try and tamp down the hysteria on these boards, but there are plenty of people going nuts- is it really that terrible to have someone come out and say that its not the end of the world?

How about a compromise. When this becomes a requirement (right now, its nothing more than a paragraph on a website), then you can grab your torch and pitchfork and run into the street screaming.

No one has been hauled off to the Gulag (or whatever you folks are envisioning) just yet...

You probably didn't see it, so I will ask again.

Where is your line? Will you stand up and fight if it's crossed? I am curious.

I think it's important that we all have a line that's defined. How else will we know when it's time to fight?

[Zera]

$4000 for community services sounds pretty good to me, honestly. But again, like I said before, it's best to wait for all the information is received before a big commotion is made. The website was just launched with some vague plans, come on now.

[thomaspaine23]

$4000 for community services sounds pretty good to me, honestly. But again, like I said before, it's best to wait for all the information is received before a big commotion is made. The website was just launched with some vague plans, come on now.

Well, here is his plan, via pdf

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

[torchbearer]

$4000 for community services sounds pretty good to me, honestly. But again, like I said before, it's best to wait for all the information is received before a big commotion is made. The website was just launched with some vague plans, come on now.

Everyone becomes a mandatory government employee?
That doesn't sound any better to me.
Its still force, and it still assumes government ownership of persons.

[dwdollar]

$4000 for community services sounds pretty good to me, honestly. But again, like I said before, it's best to wait for all the information is received before a big commotion is made. The website was just launched with some vague plans, come on now.

They'll give incentives to make people like you accept it. Then after you're use to it, they'll yank those incentives away. That's how they work. Come on now.

[libertarian4321]

Well, here is his plan, via pdf

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

Damn it, stop letting facts get in the way of a good hysterical rant!

This is good info.

Thanks.

[TruthAtLast]

Requiring chldren to work where there is no pay? This is getting scary. WTF.

sounds a lot live slave labor, only we aren't in a field. ;)

how long before the moderate Obama drones that pulled the lever for the guy JUST because they hated Bush start scratching their heads saying WTF!?!

It is all good in theory until it comes to their doorstep and effects their lives in a negative way. There's the "CHANGE" bitches! lol

[paulitics]

Well, first off, it says a "goal", not a law. That was my point initially, we know NOTHING about the implementation- whether its a "goal" (e.g. like the old "thousand points of light") where the President encourages something, or if its forced by law.

BTW, I LOVE the idea of a $4k tax credit for 100 hours community service- a "credit" is a straight tax reduction (far better than a tax "deduction"). That makes each hour of "community service" worth $40- more than most people make working. Plus, I already do more than that anyway, so for me, this would save $4k in taxes.

I doubt this will fly, though- if they did, too many people would take the credit, and the govt. would lose a ton of tax revenue.


What exactly is community service? Homeland security? The programs may not be in the good samaritan community service we all feel good about, where the contribution comes from the heart and is pure. Have you forgot this is the federal government? Where does this tax credit come from? Thats right, taxes. The people "lose a ton tax revenue", not the govt.

They can hike taxes, or incorporate it into some slick new tax scheme, like a tax on energy.

This is forcing taxpayers to pay for a huge program that will have to be paid back with their labor. This is a bad idea, is extremely unconstitutional, and is textbook fascism.

[Zera]

They'll give incentives to make people like you accept it. Then after you're use to it, they'll yank those incentives away. That's how they work. Come on now.

When has something like this happened before for it to be comparable? And people will notice any change in the amount. The GOP has so much hatred for Obama, they'll look for any slip ups and call on them immediately and cause reaction.

[Zera]

Well, here is his plan, via pdf

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

I see the word "voluntary" right at the top.

Huh.

[Anthony T]

My high school required community service for graduation already and a number of them do already.

ZOMG CONSPIRACY!!!!!

[libertarian4321]

Everyone becomes a mandatory government employee?
That doesn't sound any better to me.
Its still force, and it still assumes government ownership of persons.

Okay, folks. Put down the torches and pitchforks for a second and read the web site thomaspaine provided:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

The $4k credit if for college students who do 100 hours community service. Its VOLUNTARY. You want money for college, this is a great way to get it. If not, don't do it.

The HS service program will be a series of guidelines. Nothing "mandatory" here, either. Looks like it will be left up to the school to decide (many schools already do this now, and have for decades).

Also, no "mandatory" service for adults. No labor camps, no conscription, no concentration camps.

The whole thing is voluntary. You can stop with the fantasies of Gulags, slavery, and the end of the world as we know it.

Guess I wasn't so crazy after all for asking you folks to tone down the level of hysteria after all.

I know, I'm no fun...

[thomaspaine23]

I see the word "voluntary" right at the top.

Huh.

yeah, funny isn't it... voluntary at the top, but then when you read it:

Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities.

That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months.

So how voluntary will it be? hmmm?

A school gets federal money IF they make their students serve.......

[Zera]

yeah, funny isn't it... voluntary at the top, but then when you read it:

Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities.

That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months.

So how voluntary will it be? hmmm?

A school gets federal money IF they make their students serve.......

I'm still confused on how it states that schools won't get federal money without it.

[Maverick]

I remember doing community service in high school too, but I'm pretty sure it was something like 10 hours total, and not 50 hours each year.

[ihsv]

Our first black president and he decides to bring back slavery. You gotta love the irony.

http://www.ronpaulky.org/thumb.gif

[dwdollar]

If you don't draw a line now, then you will never fight. Your ideas about freedom will change in order to suit the system and save your own hide. What you see as tyranny today will seem like freedom tomorrow. You will be a coward and a slave.

Also, if you are a pacifist, you shouldn't urge people to be calm. Urging someone to be calm, implies that you know when to fight. Obviously, if you are a pacifist, you will never fight no matter the circumstances. It's very misleading.

I'm getting angry, so I better go for now.

[qh4dotcom]

If this community service was REQUIRED by Obama, wouldn't we have heard Glenn Beck bashing Obama about it by now?

I get his newsletter just about every weekday...haven't heard him say anything yet.

[Thrashertm]

Has anyone looked at his sorry excuse for a civil rights page? http://www.change.gov/agenda/civilrights/

Ron Paul would shake his head.

Wow that is pathetic. Just a bunch of code words for giving handouts to minorities.

[tremendoustie]

If you don't draw a line now, then you will never fight. Your ideas about freedom will change in order to suit the system and save your own hide. What you see as tyranny today will seem like freedom tomorrow. You will be a coward and a slave.

Also, if you are a pacifist, you shouldn't urge people to be calm. Urging someone to be calm, implies that you know when to fight. Obviously, if you are a pacifist, you will never fight no matter the circumstances. It's very misleading.

I'm getting angry, so I better go for now.

I'm borderline pacifist, but pacifist does not equal passive. I'm all for civil disobedience, and if they really start forcing servitude, this is a sure as hell good time for it.

Also, sticking a gun to someone else's head, taking money from them, and using that money to dangle a free education in front of you (which most are not in a position to refuse) on condition of servitude, is not materially better than just sticking a gun to your head and getting it over with.

[Thrashertm]

Thankee massah obama fo tellin us how ta work!

[madRazor]

With things like this, try to remind yourself that if you don't want to do it, then just DON'T DO IT. In this case, the government can't MAKE you work.

Sure, they'll incentive-ize the crap out of it, push, prod, bribe, punish, whatever. The government is good at depriving you of stuff, telling you what you can't do. But your LABOR is not theirs to take (though they sure feel entitled to taking that which we exchange for it). It's impossible for them to take your labor. In the end, it's always you who must give it. When it comes down to it, to pick up the shovel or not, it's YOUR CHOICE.

Regarding your labor, you always have a choice. It may not be a happy choice, but it's a choice.

And like a couple of you have said already, if they miscalculate and overshoot with this, the whole thing could work to our advantage.

[fr33domfightr]

This whole *required* service thing gives me the heebie jeebies! I've heard of it in recent years being a requirement to graduate from High School. I'm getting the feeling this needs to be stopped now before it gets ingrained in kids minds that this is the norm.

I do like the idea of students volunteering to tutor other students (so everyone does better), plus it would help bring up overall test scores for a school. I feel that type of volunteering should be rewarded as well. It should never be required.

As I recall, somewhere along the line, school (K-12) stopped being fun and just got very boring. It would be nice if somehow students would be allowed to find creative ways to make school a fun place to learn again.


FF

[humanic]

If y'all haven't seen this interview with G Edward Griffin and the Soviet Press agent (a KGB front organization), then do so now. It will explain all of Obamma's intentions concerning the _____Corps.

The Interview (http://www.heyokamagazine.com/heyoka.17.uribezmonov.htm)

Its all about indoctrination, conditioning, and control. If you start them young enough, you can own them by time they are old enough to vote.

TMike

+1

Everyone please watch this.

Also watch this Interview that Griffin conducted with Norman Dodd in 1982: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM

[libertythor]

This is what I emailed to contacts.
Well so much for people being able to retire and schools being controlled and funded locally. Here it is from the horses mouth! The great "messiah" is going to push that high school and college students work on whatever the imperial federal government feels is important. Plus he is going to "encourage" people over 55 to serve as well.

Now before somebody goes off on "everybody should serve" and such, keep in mind that requiring 100 hours of service each year for college students would put a burden on those who have to work and study at the same time....giving an advantage to those who come from well-to-do families and don't have to work. So much for BHO sticking up for the little guy.

Spread this around and sound the alarms. Write and call your Congressman and Senators and tell them that they better not violate the 9th and 10th amendments.

Here is the source from Obama's official President Elect website Change.gov!

http://www.change.gov/americaserves

[paulitics]

If this community service was REQUIRED by Obama, wouldn't we have heard Glenn Beck bashing Obama about it by now?

I get his newsletter just about every weekday...haven't heard him say anything yet.

I've heard him say something about Obama civilian army, aka "Obama youth". He did act odd today though, we'll see.

[ShannonOBrien]

Come on people! Be a precinct leader for C4L! I signed up immediately after reading this.

[bricklayer]

For those who haven't read this one yet...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/akers/akers96.html

"Per Obama’s diktat on Election Night, we must 'summon a new spirit of patriotism, of service and responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder.' Right. We weren’t working hard enough on the Federal pyramids before – now we’ll gather straw for the bricks, too."

Good laughs...

[DXDoug]

argggg

[ShannonOBrien]

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

[ShannonOBrien]

THIS is what he said to get elected:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Natio...nFactSheet.pdf

THIS is what he will do now that he's elected:
http://www.change.gov/americaserves

And to those saying, let's not stir the pot and let's just wait it out, you are the very reason they get away with so much. I'm not going to sit around waiting for things to get worse.

[kojirodensetsu]

My high school didn't require community service.. but it did require that each senior take this government class. And since it was required they combined 2 rooms into one, and the class size was like 100 and there were about 4-5 teachers. And all my teachers happened to be democrats. Blah. I would have rather done community service than take that class.

But anyways if this turns out to be required of all high school students then I'll join ya guys but until then nah.

[werdd]

unbelievable... mandatory community service?

Look's like weil all be a part of the barack ohitler youth.

[moostraks]

I'm still confused on how it states that schools won't get federal money without it.

Read again:
In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive
plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of fundsto support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school
districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities.

Emphasis mine...

Money starved schools (which would be basically all of them especially now that home ownership is decreasing) will not get the cash unless the enforce his service opportunities project. This is his baby, and what he will want as a legacy for his presidency. This is why he knows by tying it to the funding the schools will follow through with it.

[moostraks]

They want these children indoctrinated from the cradle. For pete's sake education from zero to five??? Give me a break! So much for waldorf parenting folks like me. One of the biggest destroyers of lives in this country is department of family and children services and it looks like they will expand this organization to embrace a pro-active (see intrusive) policy towards parents of infants to five so we can gauge that they are properly educated (see indoctrinated) to be the new and improved american citizen.

[Mortikhi]

Well, first off, it says a "goal", not a law. That was my point initially, we know NOTHING about the implementation- whether its a "goal" (e.g. like the old "thousand points of light") where the President encourages something, or if its forced by law.

BTW, I LOVE the idea of a $4k tax credit for 100 hours community service- a "credit" is a straight tax reduction (far better than a tax "deduction"). That makes each hour of "community service" worth $40- more than most people make working. Plus, I already do more than that anyway, so for me, this would save $4k in taxes.

I doubt this will fly, though- if they did, too many people would take the credit, and the govt. would lose a ton of tax revenue.
So do you believe that showing outrage while it is a plan, and not in a bill, is not a smart thing to do?

Or maybe we should only show outrage when it has passed Congress and is on the President's desk?

I'd rather people be outraged now, that way it will die a quick death, and at the planning phase.

[RickyJ]

Obama and Biden believe that middle
and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months."

Like I said, Obami and his side kick Biden won't last long with crap like this.

[mczerone]

you are all over reacting.

we'll just wait until this becomes a requirement to protest it. every legislator will wake up and so will the people, right when that first law hits the house. don't worry about gradual conditioning or laying foundations. that's what happen in 30's germany and look how well that turned out!

No. We protest now, peacefully and with our wits about us. We use the power of persuasion.

If it does indeed become law, that is when an "active" resistance will begin.

If we wait until it's law to try to point out our objections, it'll already be too late.

[RickyJ]

No. We protest now, peacefully and with our wits about us. We use the power of persuasion.

If it does indeed become law, that is when an "active" resistance will begin.

If we wait until it's law to try to point out our objections, it'll already be too late.


If this becomes law there will be a Republican landslide in 2012. Obama won't be able to do this and he knows it. No red-blooded American would put up with this.

[ghengis86]

No. We protest now, peacefully and with our wits about us. We use the power of persuasion.

If it does indeed become law, that is when an "active" resistance will begin.

If we wait until it's law to try to point out our objections, it'll already be too late.

are you sure about this? its better to wait for a bill to be brought up in congress so we can have debate and discussion on the particulars and not bother with the underlying theory and hypotheticals before hand. like the ESSA (bailout) legislation. the Fed and Treasury were talking about a bailout for a couple weeks, but it was all talk and we didn't need to get our panties in a bunch. Then, when the legislation came up in the congress, we protested, killed the bill and it was over! The people definitely spoke and the government definitely listened. That's why you wait until it becomes an actual bill to protest.

[ghengis86]

If this becomes law there will be a Republican landslide in 2012. Obama won't be able to do this and he knows it. No red-blooded American would put up with this.

and that's a good thing?

[mczerone]

are you sure about this? its better to wait for a bill to be brought up in congress so we can have debate and discussion on the particulars and not bother with the underlying theory and hypotheticals before hand. like the ESSA (bailout) legislation. the Fed and Treasury were talking about a bailout for a couple weeks, but it was all talk and we didn't need to get our panties in a bunch. Then, when the legislation came up in the congress, we protested, killed the bill and it was over! The people definitely spoke and the government definitely listened. That's why you wait until it becomes an actual bill to protest.

But without protesting now, they are free to insert whatever "particulars" into a proposal. I'm not suggesting we vilify anyone, I'm saying we use reason and philosophy to explain why this is a bad proposal - put pressure on our "representatives" now, so they can't even think about writing bad legislation without feeling a backlash.

If a bill is presented with particulars that are still offensive, that is when we step up the protestation - and attack the particulars.

Fark Thread (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=4001194#new) discussing this. Are people really this supportive of the plan, as written?

[paulitics]

If this becomes law there will be a Republican landslide in 2012. Obama won't be able to do this and he knows it. No red-blooded American would put up with this.


And the republican's won't continue the program? They will also my will expand it into "for profit" projects and call it capitalism. Since they love the police state, they will probably militirize it much more than Obama, this will be called bipartisanship, a compromise, and moderate.

[ghengis86]

But without protesting now, they are free to insert whatever "particulars" into a proposal. I'm not suggesting we vilify anyone, I'm saying we use reason and philosophy to explain why this is a bad proposal - put pressure on our "representatives" now, so they can't even think about writing bad legislation without feeling a backlash.

If a bill is presented with particulars that are still offensive, that is when we step up the protestation - and attack the particulars.

Fark Thread (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=4001194#new) discussing this. Are people really this supportive of the plan, as written?

what is it called when satire and sarcasm are no longer comical because they're all too true? is there a name for this? end of times, perhaps?

[SnappleLlama]

I'm ashamed of Fark. I used to be extremely active on that site until the Obama crap started pouring down.

[Cinderella]

why is this new news to people? ive been saying this from day one! this just sets the stage for a draft...fuck u obama...i wont be doing any community service!

[Thrashertm]

We need to start a movement "FUCK YOU OBAMA!"

[mczerone]

I'm ashamed of Fark. I used to be extremely active on that site until the Obama crap started pouring down.

And the peer ridicule already begins. The talk of dissenters being anti-community. Lazy. Talk of "no one said 'fixing America' would be easy."

The American Democracy is realized.

[smartguy911]

only 256 diggs. WE SURE SUCK BIG TIME

[Cinderella]

dugg 259

[tommyzDad]

"And there was much rejoicing."
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1417/orangehjnuremberg717x48nh8.jpg

Jungsturm Barak Obama!!
Die Obama-Jungen!
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/874/bloodandhonorpb1.jpg

"Arbeit macht frie!!!"
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7451/arbeitmachtfreihk3.png

"Big Smile!!"

(In Lethal Weapon 2, Riggs does a mock Nazi salute in the South African Consulate while saying "Big Smile".)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8383/hitler37gh0.gif

[rockjoa]

Just read it, wow, wait what??

[jm1776]

A $4,000 tax credit for community services implies you already worked for the original $4,000, which they have now stolen from you.

Now they are proposing to give back the original $4,000 but only if you work for the same money a second time! :eek:

Someone in this thread calculated this to be $40.00/hour for 100 hours of "service". But in reality you are working for free just to recover your own property.

[jrich4rpaul]

A $4,000 tax credit for community services implies you already worked for the original $4,000, which they have now stolen from you.

Now they are proposing to give back the original $4,000 but only if you work for the same money a second time! :eek:

Someone in this thread calculated this to be $40.00/hour for 100 hours of "service". But in reality you are working for free just to recover your own property.

+1

[mconder]

The real question is what will be considered "service?" My children are already involved serving their community through their church organization on a voluntary basis. Are they going to count this as service? I am sure serving for the Obama campaign is more likely to get the nod.

[hillertexas]

dugg

[mconder]

Your going to love this...it has already been adopted at my daughter's school. She is required to serve. Also, the service hours my daughter does for my church does not count. Only our completed serving at someone else's church count for service. For instant, if my daughter wants paint the church, she can not paint her own church, she has to paint someone else's church. Even if my church decided to do a community service project that did not benefit itself in anyway (which it often does), my daughter would not get credit because she is serving in her own church organization. Can you freaking believe this?!!! I should get some supreme court action going on this B.S.!

[jrich4rpaul]

Your going to love this...it has already been adopted at my daughter's school. She is required to serve. Also, the service hours my daughter does for my church does not count. Only our completed serving at someone else's church count for service. For instant, if my daughter wants paint the church, she can not paint her own church, she has to paint someone else's church. Even if my church decided to do a community service project that did not benefit itself in anyway (which it often does), my daughter would not get credit because she is serving in her own church organization. Can you freaking believe this?!!! I should get some supreme court action going on this B.S.!

Teaching our children that helping their church is pointless and wrong... priceless.

[mconder]

ok. And if we refuse to do the community service?

Oh, oh, oh....teacher! (emote: mconder raises hand). One does not graduate? Very good mconder.

[torchbearer]

Your going to love this...it has already been adopted at my daughter's school. She is required to serve. Also, the service hours my daughter does for my church does not count. Only our completed serving at someone else's church count for service. For instant, if my daughter wants paint the church, she can not paint her own church, she has to paint someone else's church. Even if my church decided to do a community service project that did not benefit itself in anyway (which it often does), my daughter would not get credit because she is serving in her own church organization. Can you freaking believe this?!!! I should get some supreme court action going on this B.S.!

that is what it will take. and you have standing.

[mconder]

that is what it will take. and you have standing.

Your right. My daughter has already been told she will not be aloud to graduate if we refuse to serve within their guidelines. What if someone views protesting an abortion clinic as community service? I know that people volunteering for political camapigns is considered service to them. So I can volunteer for Obama, but not my church. (#*&@(&!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[torchbearer]

Your right. My daughter has already been told she will not be aloud to graduate if we refuse to serve within their guidelines. What if someone views protesting an abortion clinic as community service? I know that people volunteering for political camapigns is considered service to them. So I can volunteer for Obama, but not my church. (#*&@(&!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think homeschooling and foregoing state issued diplomas are going to become popular.
You don't need a piece of paper to run your own business.

[Maverick]

Does anyone remember the youth Spies organization from 1984?

How long do you figure it'll take for Obama's plan to turn into that?

[Brian in Maryland]

I see the word "voluntary" right at the top.

Huh.

They call paying income taxes "voluntary compliance" also.

Sounds a little Orwellian to me.

[ghengis86]

They call paying income taxes "voluntary compliance" also.

Sounds a little Orwellian to me.

can i get a link to any 'voluntary compliance' material regarding income taxes?

[Bryan]

Your going to love this...it has already been adopted at my daughter's school. She is required to serve. Also, the service hours my daughter does for my church does not count. Only our completed serving at someone else's church count for service. For instant, if my daughter wants paint the church, she can not paint her own church, she has to paint someone else's church. Even if my church decided to do a community service project that did not benefit itself in anyway (which it often does), my daughter would not get credit because she is serving in her own church organization. Can you freaking believe this?!!! I should get some supreme court action going on this B.S.!

Thanks for the report mconder -- I'm curious what exactly you were told and by whom (teacher, admin, principal?) We're the specifically referring to the Obama plan?

Thanks!

[Nirvikalpa]

There's NO WAY a lot of students will be able to complete 100 hours of community service. For example, I am taking over 20 credits next semester, with 30 hours of tutoring, which I am volunteering for. That is my limit - I couldn't imagine doing another 70 hours and have it NOT affect my overall grade. I am taking 19 now, but this is my hardest semester - with only 4-5 weeks left of school I have 17 hours of tutoring in. I have to bring up two of my grades. To ask 100 hours of a college student is ridiculous!

Could this be contributing to the dumbing down of America? It's going to be a damn shame when a student picks 'forced volunteering' over studying and passing a final exam, just because of the added pressure which I am sure will decide if you get financial aid or not...

I am truly pissed off. As students now, we experience enough economic pressure to be successful in everything we do - and now, if this happens, we have to learn how to cope with adding 100 hours into our already stressful schedule. No thanks, Obama.

[sratiug]

dugg

[SnappleLlama]

So we have General Education requirements, like Science, Math, etc., at many colleges. What will this be...the "Good Citizen Requirement?"

[angelatc]

Your going to love this...it has already been adopted at my daughter's school. .........Can you freaking believe this?!!! I should get some supreme court action going on this B.S.!

I was curious if it has been decided in the courts yet. My kids are coming up on High School, and the public school system here requires community service for the diploma.

I am considering a court fight about it, just on principle.

[werdd]

This is a direct violation of the 13th ammendment, the same ammendment that makes his ass not a slave still.

No involuntary servititude or slavery, unless convicted of a crime.

The ammendment is very clear, it would be hard to loosely interpret that.

He would either have to revoke, or modify the 13th to get this load of crap done.

Wouldnt put it past him, communist.

[jm1776]

There's NO WAY a lot of students will be able to complete 100 hours of community service. For example, I am taking over 20 credits next semester, with 30 hours of tutoring, which I am volunteering for. That is my limit - I couldn't imagine doing another 70 hours and have it NOT affect my overall grade. I am taking 19 now, but this is my hardest semester - with only 4-5 weeks left of school I have 17 hours of tutoring in. I have to bring up two of my grades. To ask 100 hours of a college student is ridiculous!

Could this be contributing to the dumbing down of America? It's going to be a damn shame when a student picks 'forced volunteering' over studying and passing a final exam, just because of the added pressure which I am sure will decide if you get financial aid or not...

I am truly pissed off. As students now, we experience enough economic pressure to be successful in everything we do - and now, if this happens, we have to learn how to cope with adding 100 hours into our already stressful schedule. No thanks, Obama.

Don't forget the paying job you would also need in order to enjoy the $4,000 tax credit/refund/ripoff.

[ghengis86]

This is a direct violation of the 13th ammendment, the same ammendment that makes his ass not a slave still.

No involuntary servititude or slavery, unless convicted of a crime.

The ammendment is very clear, it would be hard to loosely interpret that.

He would either have to revoke, or modify the 13th to get this load of crap done.

Wouldnt put it past him, communist.

i agree with you on principle, but in order to better understand our response, what will our enemy say? won't they just say its voluntary and that if you don't want the tax credit, don't comply with the program? I know, I know its not voluntary, but won't the opposing side say, yes it is? how do you logically argue that? That by not enrolling in the program one is put at a significant disadvantage as far as which, if any, schooling they can afford?

i'm totally against this, but we should shape our argument with good examples and reasons.

[dannno]

Thanks for the report mconder -- I'm curious what exactly you were told and by whom (teacher, admin, principal?) We're the specifically referring to the Obama plan?

Thanks!

No, my roommate said that her younger sister has been required to do community service for her school also.. pre-Obama.. but this is a FEDERAL MANDATE so it is much worse.

[Mahkato]

This is a direct violation of the 13th ammendment, the same ammendment that makes his ass not a slave still.

No involuntary servititude or slavery, unless convicted of a crime.

The ammendment is very clear, it would be hard to loosely interpret that.

He would either have to revoke, or modify the 13th to get this load of crap done.

Wouldnt put it past him, communist.

OR, he could just IGNORE the 13th amendment, in much the same way that our entire federal goverment ignores the rest of the Constitution.

[ghengis86]

Don't forget the paying job you would also need in order to enjoy the $4,000 tax credit/refund/ripoff.

someone pointed this out earlier; a tax credit implies you've paid a tax (already of dubious legality). then you 'volunteer' i.e. work a second time, to get that money back. what a crock of shit...and what is you work, but don't pay more than $4,000k in taxes; do you get a refund check?

[puppetmaster]

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Bump

[angelatc]

Oh my gosh - I just realized - this is the national version of the Chicago political machine. In that city, if and only if you volunteer for the DNC can you get a cushy government job.

[tangent4ronpaul]

someone pointed this out earlier; a tax credit implies you've paid a tax (already of dubious legality). then you 'volunteer' i.e. work a second time, to get that money back. what a crock of shit...and what is you work, but don't pay more than $4,000k in taxes; do you get a refund check?

The $4,000 is largely illusional - put there to sell the slavery. Most students make nothing to little, so their taxes would be offset by the - what is it - $2,300 or so dollar write off everyone gets long before the promise of keeping any of that $4,000 credit is in reach.

Students that would get the benefit of that $4,000 are probably well enough off / have good paying jobs so that they don't need it. The ones that need it for their education will never see it. Cute catch 22.

Ironic that Russia is becoming more democratic every day while we are becoming more communist.

-t

[Danke]

can i get a link to any 'voluntary compliance' material regarding income taxes?

They used to print that in the instruction manuals for 1040s, etc. (which have no legal meaning).

[tangent4ronpaul]

Does anyone remember the youth Spies organization from 1984?

How long do you figure it'll take for Obama's plan to turn into that?

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/images/Hitler%20Youth%20poster.jpg

Does someone wanna photoshop Obama's face in there instead of Hitlers?

-t

[JoshLowry]

I'm ashamed of Fark. I used to be extremely active on that site until the Obama crap started pouring down.

Use VOTEmotion ;)


The old National Service Plan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth

[mconder]

No, my roommate said that her younger sister has been required to do community service for her school also.. pre-Obama.. but this is a FEDERAL MANDATE so it is much worse.

Ya...well my daughter only has to do 10 hours per year right now. I think they are getting them primed.

[mconder]

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/images/Hitler%20Youth%20poster.jpg

Does someone wanna photoshop Obama's face in there instead of Hitlers?

-t

If someone does the photoshop job on the Hitler youth, please PM me. I want to use it on my blog!

[Agent CSL]

Guys, here is something I found in the Source Code


<!-- COMMENT OUT AMERICA SERVES
<ul>
<li><a href="/americaserves/plan">Service Plan</a></li>
<li><a href="/americaserves/serve">Find a Way to Serve</a></li>
</ul>
-->

[Bryan]

Guys, here is something I found in the Source Code
Interesting, nice sleuth work... and good to see you posting. :)

[mconder]

That's it...I am going to schedule with my daughter's Principle and tell him my daughter will not be participating involuntary service. I am going to through the 13th at him and if he still doesn't let her off, I will tell him he will be hearing from a civil rights attorney shortly.

[mconder]

Guys, here is something I found in the Source Code

omg....it actually says "The Obama National Service Plan." It says need content, but still!!!

[Agent CSL]

Yes, check the source code before it gets removed. : /

[tangent4ronpaul]

Guys, here is something I found in the Source Code

nice catch!

looks like it's just pages under development, though...

http://www.change.gov/americaserves/serve
http://www.change.gov/americaserves/plan

-t

[Agent CSL]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7908/meinobamanm5.jpg

[tangent4ronpaul]

This might be a golden opportunity for some private schools to offer a last semester of HS or College at a reduced rate and produce a diploma upon graduation (ie: transfer schools).

There is already a school called Thomas Edison State College that will transfer in credits from any accredited school and issue you a diploma - effectively allowing you to school hop and then have them give you their diploma for a processing fee. There is no way they could force their students to do community service, and I don't think they take Federal EDU dollars anyway.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7908/meinobamanm5.jpg

w00t! - thank you Agent CSL! - looks great!

-t

[Agent CSL]

No problem. Took me 5 minutes and I see several mistakes, but oh well. Haha. Enjoy!

[ghengis86]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7908/meinobamanm5.jpg

translation for non-krauts

[Lucille]

How ironic that a black man would bring back indentured servitude.

[Wendi]

One more reason not to ever send your kids to public school :eek:

[JoshLowry]

If someone does the photoshop job on the Hitler youth, please PM me. I want to use it on my blog!

http://i36.tinypic.com/2zidczs.jpg

[Soccrmastr]

This site is run by this site:

http://directory.presidentialtransition.gov/index.cfm



GSA and NARA hope that this online directory will introduce you to the operation of the Federal government and the resources available to help you begin your service in the new Administration.

[Mahkato]

This is a direct violation of the 13th ammendment, the same ammendment that makes his ass not a slave still.

No involuntary servititude or slavery, unless convicted of a crime.

The ammendment is very clear, it would be hard to loosely interpret that.

He would either have to revoke, or modify the 13th to get this load of crap done.

Wouldnt put it past him, communist.

OR, he could just IGNORE the 13th amendment, in much the same way that our entire federal goverment ignores the rest of the Constitution.

[mconder]

I did some preliminary calling to some civil rights attorneys and my local ACLU office and it doesn't sound like anything they want to touch. The ACLU person actually said, "There's some people that think anything the state does is communism." I think she was referring to me. It's sad and shocking that a child can be forced to physically perform any mandatory act for the state. The thing is, where does it end? If my daughter has to do 10 hours now and Obama can say she now has to complete 50, when does it become involuntary servitude as described in the 13th amendment? Why not just say they need 40 hours a week from here? What's stopping them?

[jrich4rpaul]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7908/meinobamanm5.jpg

nice

[nodope0695]

Obama is in for a big suprise if he thinks everybody is gonna just go along with that shit without a fight....its completely unconstitutional. :bunchies:What the fuck is this green thing?????

[angelatc]

Guys, here is something I found in the Source Code

What does that mean?

[tangent4ronpaul]

What does that mean?

in your browser - click on the View tab at the top (not part of the page you are looking at - above that) and select "page source" (firefox) or "source" (Internet Explorer).

-t

[moostraks]

Obama is in for a big suprise if he thinks everybody is gonna just go along with that shit without a fight....its completely unconstitutional. :bunchies:What the fuck is this green thing?????

That is bunchies, a green llama. Bizarre hunh?

[torchbearer]

I did some preliminary calling to some civil rights attorneys and my local ACLU office and it doesn't sound like anything they want to touch. The ACLU person actually said, "There's some people that think anything the state does is communism." I think she was referring to me. It's sad and shocking that a child can be forced to physically perform any mandatory act for the state. The thing is, where does it end? If my daughter has to do 10 hours now and Obama can say she now has to complete 50, when does it become involuntary servitude as described in the 13th amendment? Why not just say they need 40 hours a week from here? What's stopping them?

force labor of a child seems like a crime to me.
How about filing a criminal report with your D.A.s office.
If the school is denying access to grade completion if she doesn't perform free labor for even non-profits... that is forced child labor.

[werdd]

this could cause a civil war if actually implemented.

[escapinggreatly]

A pseudo-draft! I guess that's a "change"....
__________________

http://www.meltingpotproject.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/22/libertariansig.jpg
The Melting Pot Project: Proportional Representation. New Parties. Intern Jokes. (http://www.meltingpotproject.com/)

[Agent CSL]

They removed the /plan/ and /serve/ from the site!

I wouldn't doubt it if they're watching this topic... HI OBAMA

[torchbearer]

They removed the /plan/ and /serve/ from the site!

I wouldn't doubt it if they're watching this topic... HI OBAMA

HAHAHA!
Webmaster must have seen a huge hit on the website for those pages.
Did we link to it from here?

[Agent CSL]

HAHAHA!
Webmaster must have seen a huge hit on the website for those pages.
Did we link to it from here?
Yeah, in Tangent's post a couple below mine.

There are other hidden pages as well but for Obama's 100 day plan and Inauguration, nothing juicy. I'm still watching.

[ShowMeLiberty]

It's still on this page: http://change.gov/agenda/service/ buried in a bunch of other stuff.


Integrate Service into Learning
Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation's Schools: Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year. They will develop national guidelines for service- learning and will give schools better tools both to develop programs and to document student experience. Green Job Corps: Obama and Biden will create an energy-focused youth jobs program to provide disadvantaged youth with service opportunities weatherizing buildings and getting practical experience in fast-growing career fields.
Expand YouthBuild Program: Obama and Biden will expand the YouthBuild program, which gives disadvantaged young people the chance to complete their high school education, learn valuable skills and build affordable housing in their communities. They will grow the program so that 50,000 low-income young people a year a chance to learn construction job skills and complete high school.
Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
Promote College Serve-Study: Obama and Biden will ensure that at least 25 percent of College Work-Study funds are used to support public service opportunities instead of jobs in dining halls and libraries

[mczerone]

translation for non-krauts

"Youth serves the leader. All ten year-olds into the Hitler Youth."

To give Obama credit his slogan would be:

"Youth serves the government. All ten to twenty-two year-olds into the Obama Service plan."

[tangent4ronpaul]

Yeah, in Tangent's post a couple below mine.

There are other hidden pages as well but for Obama's 100 day plan and Inauguration, nothing juicy. I'm still watching.

oops! - sorry about that...

-t

[thomaspaine23]

oops! - sorry about that...

-t

Just found some more info, Rahm Emmanuel (obama's chief of staff)
wants compulsory national service for 18-25 year olds....

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m11d6-Obamas-chief-of-staff-choice-favors-compulsory-universal-service

[undergroundrr]

you're assuming homeschooling will still be allowed by the "new and improved" NCLB.

Here's your answer - "Obama and Biden will require all schools of education to be accredited."

from http://change.gov/agenda/education/

[Cinderella]

remember the 13th amendment

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

[heavenlyboy34]

Wow fuck that. He better be doing it first.:mad:

He can suck it.

What did you expect from a statist?

[mczerone]

Here's your answer - "Obama and Biden will require all schools of education to be accredited."

from http://change.gov/agenda/education/

Great. Now if they can only make the magic powers of "accreditation" actually make public schools a place from which I would want my children learning.

I can teach a willing student more in my 100 hours of yearly mandatory communist service than most students get out of 12 years of the teacher's union built public schools.

[Anthony T]

Has anyone noticed the language has changed on that page?

This is what the original post copied


The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

and this is what it is now


The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

[thomaspaine23]

Has anyone noticed the language has changed on that page?

This is what the original post copied



and this is what it is now


ooopsie! :rolleyes:

[nygiantfan]

George Washington said it best:

"It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it. "

[werdd]

<li><a href="/... Read Moreamericaserves/plan">Service Plan</a></li>



<li><a href="/americaserves/serve">Find a Way to Serve</a></li>


previously pointed out, and a good catch.

SERVE!

[Agent CSL]

Has anyone noticed the language has changed on that page?

This is what the original post copied



and this is what it is now

:rolleyes: Wooooooooooooooooow. That's low. And we are the only ones who may have witnessed it, at that. :mad:

[thomaspaine23]

hmmm, I can't seem to upload images nor pull them from links....



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jwcEIvUEg8Q/SRUiKbdXgJI/AAAAAAAAAAk/5ajAiZHOhi0/s1600-h/amkorpschick.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jwcEIvUEg8Q/SRUiB6dKTbI/AAAAAAAAAAc/ASKtKay57VE/s1600-h/uncbro3.jpg

I had some time to kill so I thought I'd make some gimp images (as my community service of course)

they are all here:

http://newlibertarian.blogspot.com/

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jwcEIvUEg8Q/SRUiB6dKTbI/AAAAAAAAAAc/ASKtKay57VE/s1600-h/uncbro3.jpg

[austinchick]

They had mandatory community service in former Soviet Union.....

[mconder]

OMG!!! Obama is already at the memory hole game. Read the original link again...they have removed the word REQUIRE. Now they are just calling it a goal.

http://change.gov/americaserves

[thomaspaine23]

okay lets try this again.

Here is my "community service"

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/44436738m1c32d485/bc/pics/amkorpschick.jpg?bf7NTFJBZl1K93VS

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/44436738m1c32d485/bc/pics/NationalService2009.jpg?bf6NTFJBwKVcEw99

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/44436738m1c32d485/bc/pics/uncbro3.jpg?bf6NTFJBJwQci.ef

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/44436738m1c32d485/bc/pics/kiddie.jpg?bf6NTFJBBrELgC90

[emergent order]

Okay, folks. Put down the torches and pitchforks for a second and read the web site thomaspaine provided:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

The $4k credit if for college students who do 100 hours community service. Its VOLUNTARY. You want money for college, this is a great way to get it. If not, don't do it.

The HS service program will be a series of guidelines. Nothing "mandatory" here, either. Looks like it will be left up to the school to decide (many schools already do this now, and have for decades).

Also, no "mandatory" service for adults. No labor camps, no conscription, no concentration camps.

The whole thing is voluntary. You can stop with the fantasies of Gulags, slavery, and the end of the world as we know it.

Guess I wasn't so crazy after all for asking you folks to tone down the level of hysteria after all.

I know, I'm no fun...

People, do your homework.
Don't be so eager to rebel that you take major leaps to irrational exaggerations.

[AmericasLastHope]

I e-mailed my family of neocons and this was my father's reply...


I think it is a great idea one that we all would have benefitted from. I believe our nation would be stonger for it.

I think when you graduate from high school or maybe the summer before you graduate some kind of boot camp experience and then when you graduate you either join the millitary or work for a non profit for a period of time durring the summer if you choose to go to college or if not full time for a period of time. It would give some the chance to mature and figure out what is important in life.. Sort of like what [your brother] is doing now. You could get a stipend of some kind.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Comments? :mad:

[OferNave]

The Truth About Voting - Yay Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB6uQcGo60I

[Joseph Hart]

http://www.change.gov/page/s/application



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http://www.ptt.gov.tr/en/