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ArrestPoliticians
11-06-2008, 01:51 PM
I see some parallels between Goldwater/Reagan and Ron Paul and his predecessor. Goldwater got smashed, sure, but eventually the utter failure of liberalism under Johnson and Carter led to the election of Reagan, a rhetorically free market Ron Paul type who Ron Paul even endorsed.

Reagan delivered this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard49.html

Ron Paul later called Reagan a "total failure".

Likewise, the establishment statists smashed Ron Paul, but by 2012 it will become apparent that their methods will fail. Let's make DAMN sure we don't elect another Reagan. I bring this up because establishment GOP candidates who refused to get behind Ron Paul are being brought up as the future of the Ron Paul Revolution. Lets make sure we actually support one of our own, this time. Lets also hope that Ron Paul can endorse a candidate for us sooner rather than later, and that he uses his best judgment in doing so.

gls
11-06-2008, 01:55 PM
I don't know, I might support this campaign:

http://i37.tinypic.com/2ill9xc.png

TruthAtLast
11-06-2008, 02:03 PM
Lets also hope that Ron Paul can endorse a candidate for us sooner rather than later, and that he uses his best judgment in doing so.

This is highly important. I think the focus of the Movement needs to be made now. It seems a lot of people are running around wanting to get to work but aren't really sure what to do other than become a precinct leader. Ron Paul hasn't said whether he will run again or not. Many people think he wont but others hold out hope because he hasn't made it clear.

As a group can we actually define a dozen or so REALISTIC districts that we can take over in 2010 with candidates in place to run in those elections?

In a separate list, are there districts that we can take over in 2010 that we currently don't have candidates in place for? We can work on finding and training these people?

My fear is that we will sit on our hands for another couple years doing very little until once again we are asked to "rally the troops" in a very short period of time. We will also be expected to fund all of these people all at once rather than building a funding mechanism for 2 and 4 years RIGHT NOW.

Does CFL have any plans for this? Some people don't feel comfortable that donations to that organization will eventually go to benefit the Liberty Candidates we want to endorse.

I'm open for ideas but we need to get rolling and unfortunately there are still too many people that have put ALL of their hopes and dreams of freedom into Ron Paul. We just don't know what his plans are and many people are just holding their breath waiting for him to speak.

dannno
11-06-2008, 02:08 PM
Good article

Carole
11-06-2008, 02:09 PM
I see some parallels between Goldwater/Reagan and Ron Paul and his predecessor. Goldwater got smashed, sure, but eventually the utter failure of liberalism under Johnson and Carter led to the election of Reagan, a rhetorically free market Ron Paul type who Ron Paul even endorsed.

Reagan delivered this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard49.html

Ron Paul later called Reagan a "total failure".

Likewise, the establishment statists smashed Ron Paul, but by 2012 it will become apparent that their methods will fail. Let's make DAMN sure we don't elect another Reagan. I bring this up because establishment GOP candidates who refused to get behind Ron Paul are being brought up as the future of the Ron Paul Revolution. Lets make sure we actually support one of our own, this time. Lets also hope that Ron Paul can endorse a candidate for us sooner rather than later, and that he uses his best judgment in doing so.

Totally agree.

Once in the White House, something happened to Reagan. He completely backed off his original agenda of free market and gold standard. His handlers "convinced" him otherwise.

Could that be the real reason he was shot? Then there is the Bush angle and the FEMA operations scheduled for the day after Reagan was shot--something to do with an emergency that involved presidential succession. :)

This was canceled or postponed once Reagan was shot.

An eighth grader in a school answered the question of why Reagan was shot by suggesting, "Who had the most to gain from it-Bush" Wow!

In any case, perhaps the attempted assassination by the brother of Scott HInckley, who was expected for dinner at Neil and Sharon Bush's house that evening, had something to do with Reagan backing down from every campaign promise and ruining his own presidency.

Still, people keep referring to his terms and Reagan as such a great conservative. He abandoned any attempt to be a free-market, gold standard, tax-cutting, budget balancing president. He WAS a complete failure and I remember how it seemed times were hard during his "trickle-down economic" era.

Someone or something got to him or he lied.

klamath
11-06-2008, 02:11 PM
I see some parallels between Goldwater/Reagan and Ron Paul and his predecessor. Goldwater got smashed, sure, but eventually the utter failure of liberalism under Johnson and Carter led to the election of Reagan, a rhetorically free market Ron Paul type who Ron Paul even endorsed.

Reagan delivered this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard49.html

Ron Paul later called Reagan a "total failure".

Likewise, the establishment statists smashed Ron Paul, but by 2012 it will become apparent that their methods will fail. Let's make DAMN sure we don't elect another Reagan. I bring this up because establishment GOP candidates who refused to get behind Ron Paul are being brought up as the future of the Ron Paul Revolution. Lets make sure we actually support one of our own, this time. Lets also hope that Ron Paul can endorse a candidate for us sooner rather than later, and that he uses his best judgment in doing so.


Wow the racist Rockwell has spoken:rolleyes:

ArrestPoliticians
11-06-2008, 02:13 PM
Wow the racist Rockwell has spoken:rolleyes:

did you even click the link? It's Rothbard.

slacker921
11-06-2008, 02:24 PM
In a separate list, are there districts that we can take over in 2010 that we currently don't have candidates in place for? We can work on finding and training these people?


for starters......

US House - 8th district NC. Hayes (R) was booted out by a Democrat.. it's a Republican district that will be highly contested the next go-round. If the local GOP has their way it'll be another neoconservative running to regain the seat... maybe even Hayes... ugh.

If the CFL wants to do something productive it can find someone in that district willing to run and spend the next year grooming them. He/she can't be an average Libertarian-Ron Paul supporter still wet behind the ears. They need to be a polished contender.

klamath
11-06-2008, 02:46 PM
did you even click the link? It's Rothbard.
Actually I did not but I want to ask you how well do you really think RP would do if he was elected yet had a democratic house and 1 vote majority of wobbly senators? How great would RP's agenda look if on the first midterm election he lost 24 house seats to add to an even greater oposition? How would RP's agenda look if even after being reelected the american people still left a huge majority of democrats is power? How well would RP's agenda be if all of the major networks were showing showing soup lines and calling them Paulvilles because Paul had cut the safety net?
Reagan made plenty of mistakes but he was not given an easy road to follow. I honestly believe that "Total failure" is a quote taken completely out of context. As far a fighting congress to balance the budgets yes he was. If RP thought Reagan was such a failure why did he Quote him multiple times as to why we should get out of the mideast. "We don't understand the politics of the mideast"
RP has always had the luxury of being able to vote against something but has never held a leadership position where his decisions all came back to him in the voices of 60 million socialists clammering for his head with a media entirely willing to give each and every one of them all the air time and print space they wanted.

ArrestPoliticians
11-06-2008, 02:50 PM
Actually I did not but I want to ask you how well do you really think RP would do if he was elected yet had a democratic house and 1 vote majority of wobbly senators? How great would RP's agenda look if on the first midterm election he lost 24 house seats to add to an even greater oposition? How would RP's agenda look if even after being reelected the american people still left a huge majority of democrats is power? How well would RP's agenda be if all of the major networks were showing showing soup lines and calling them Paulvilles because Paul had cut the safety net?
Reagan made plenty of mistakes but he was not given an easy road to follow. I honestly believe that "Total failure" is a quote taken completely out of context. As far a fighting congress to balance the budgets yes he was. If RP thought Reagan was such a failure why did he Quote him multiple times as to why we should get out of the mideast. "We don't understand the politics of the mideast"
RP has always had the luxury of being able to vote against something but has never held a leadership position where his decisions all came back to him in the voices of 60 million socialists clammering for his head with a media entirely willing to give each and every one of them all the air time and print space they wanted.

He quoted Reagan to get street cred with the GOP masses, Politics 101. Read the article, it will dash a lot of the positive things you think about Reagan(I was a big fan of Reagan before I read this article a year ago.) Reagan sold out with his pick of Bush and it was all downhill from there.

WRellim
11-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Totally agree.

Once in the White House, something happened to Reagan. He completely backed off his original agenda of free market and gold standard. His handlers "convinced" him otherwise.

Could that be the real reason he was shot?

The problem with Reagan was the "compromise" and the pact he made with the devil by bringing George H. W. Bush onto the ticket as V.P.

The Reagan Administration ended up being a "merging" of a small group of Reagan's people from California, with the (much larger and more entrenched, Beltway savvy) cabal of Bush.

If you look at the history of his administration, Reagan's people were pretty quickly "pushed out" by the Bushies (most were gone before the end of two years, and virtually all of them were gone by the end of his first term).

Reagan was able to maintain the facade of "major" policy points, while behind the scenes the Bushies were co-opting and subverting everything they could (including the Constitution and a host of Federal laws).

Carole
11-06-2008, 03:02 PM
The problem with Reagan was the "compromise" and the pact he made with the devil by bringing George H. W. Bush onto the ticket as V.P.

The Reagan Administration ended up being a "merging" of a small group of Reagan's people from California, with the (much larger and more entrenched, Beltway savvy) cabal of Bush.

If you look at the history of his administration, Reagan's people were pretty quickly "pushed out" by the Bushies (most were gone before the end of two years, and virtually all of them were gone by the end of his first term).

Reagan was able to maintain the facade of "major" policy points, while behind the scenes the Bushies were co-opting and subverting everything they could (including the Constitution and a host of Federal laws).
I edited my earlier post to include some more stuff.

Totally agree with your remarks WRellim.

anaconda
11-06-2008, 03:08 PM
Reagan let himself be surrounded with some of the most evil men in history. The Reagan Presidency was a disaster in my opinion. A good American with good intentions being totally manipulated by thugs like GHW Bush.

Carole
11-06-2008, 03:08 PM
Actually I did not but I want to ask you how well do you really think RP would do if he was elected yet had a democratic house and 1 vote majority of wobbly senators? How great would RP's agenda look if on the first midterm election he lost 24 house seats to add to an even greater oposition? How would RP's agenda look if even after being reelected the american people still left a huge majority of democrats is power? How well would RP's agenda be if all of the major networks were showing showing soup lines and calling them Paulvilles because Paul had cut the safety net?
Reagan made plenty of mistakes but he was not given an easy road to follow. I honestly believe that "Total failure" is a quote taken completely out of context. As far a fighting congress to balance the budgets yes he was. If RP thought Reagan was such a failure why did he Quote him multiple times as to why we should get out of the mideast. "We don't understand the politics of the mideast"
RP has always had the luxury of being able to vote against something but has never held a leadership position where his decisions all came back to him in the voices of 60 million socialists clammering for his head with a media entirely willing to give each and every one of them all the air time and print space they wanted.
I disagree with you in the following sense.

Ron Paul has an army of followers out her. He could take his case directly to the people prior to a vote and we would bombard the Congress with our input.

This is exactly the same tactics that the various special interest "gorups" use to get what they want. Apply pressure, like we did on the bailout vote which did succeed the first time around until the lobbyists started paying people to call in support of the bailout.

We would apply lots of heat to Congress. :)

As far as Reagan goes, he campaigned on one agenda then flip-flopped, just like Bush Dubya did. Yes, Ron Paul agreed with both on the basis of what they campaigned for, but broke with them once they abandoned their original platforms.

Carole
11-06-2008, 03:12 PM
for starters......

US House - 8th district NC. Hayes (R) was booted out by a Democrat.. it's a Republican district that will be highly contested the next go-round. If the local GOP has their way it'll be another neoconservative running to regain the seat... maybe even Hayes... ugh.

If the CFL wants to do something productive it can find someone in that district willing to run and spend the next year grooming them. He/she can't be an average Libertarian-Ron Paul supporter still wet behind the ears. They need to be a polished contender.
Great idea. :)

WRellim
11-06-2008, 03:13 PM
Someone or something got to him or he lied.

Nah, he was in early stages of senile dementia long before he left office.

Most likely the physical consequences of the shooting (which was IMHO the Bush cabal attempting to replay the JFK/LBJ scenario) and his subsequent surgery, hospitalization, etc aggravated the underlying problems.

I've seen similar things with other older people -- after a major surgery (which IS after all a "trauma" to the body) while they "recover" -- they never seem to quite reach their previous condition. And if dementia was present *at all* it seems to progress faster post-surgery.

I haven't seen any research in regard to this, and have always wondered why.

Carole
11-06-2008, 03:22 PM
Reagan let himself be surrounded with some of the most evil men in history. The Reagan Presidency was a disaster in my opinion. A good American with good intentions being totally manipulated by thugs like GHW Bush.
Ditto

Sad, but true. I do often wonder if the assassination attempt was the impetus for him to play ball with the big Bush boys. He completely abandoned his principles. The only remnant of his conservative-libertarian tendencies rests in the great Goldwater speech and his own campaign. After destroying his opposition he pre-determined his own failure by selecting Bush, Sr., then flip-flopping on every promise he had made prior to becoming President.

The Reagan camapign and presidency is the perfect example of the PTB which we are up against. They are devious and cunning and evil; still I believe they are basically stupid. :D

klamath
11-06-2008, 03:24 PM
I disagree with you in the following sense.

Ron Paul has an army of followers out her. He could take his case directly to the people prior to a vote and we would bombard the Congress with our input.

This is exactly the same tactics that the various special interest "gorups" use to get what they want. Apply pressure, like we did on the bailout vote which did succeed the first time around until the lobbyists started paying people to call in support of the bailout.

We would apply lots of heat to Congress. :)

As far as Reagan goes, he campaigned on one agenda then flip-flopped, just like Bush Dubya did. Yes, Ron Paul agreed with both on the basis of what they campaigned for, but broke with them once they abandoned their original platforms.

Reagan had army 50 times the size of ours and it was the only way he got his first tax cuts passed. Congress was refusing to pass it because it cut too many social programs and Reagan made a speech directly to the american people and they put pressure on congress forcing them to pass it. After that he could never get the force again because all the problems didn't go away overnight. This movement would do worse for RP than reaganites did for him. Hell they didn't even follow his lead to vote for balwin.

Bush was one of his biggest mistakes.