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moostraks
11-06-2008, 12:21 PM
Anyone else listening today? I think this is being used as a reverse psychology technique. He is playing this just like I thought, painting Palin as being maliciously accused without provocation or proof. Talking about how Palin represents the republican base and that they will ignore her and her potential to the base support at the republican parties peril (roughly paraphrased).

I was amused that so many on here dismissed me when I said she just might be the fact tptb are seeking to put on the republican party. Ignore her at the peril of this movement. they are setting up an underdog strategy. This is being used so they can actually throw McCain under the bus and he just might decide to go Indie like Lieberman or Democrat as most see him. McCain is at the end of a career and Palin is fairly youthful and power hungry.

We are also going to be marginalized continuously for being "moderates" instead of true conservatives. The war party/corporatists are being seen as the standard bearers for conservatism. Expect to see more vitriol spewed towards our movement akin to Nevada's filth blaming Dr.Paul for fracturing the republican party. (http://www.unlvrebelyell.com/article.php?ID=12736) Instead of welcoming the views of liberty and free will for all they will say that it is a corruptive influence on republican values (ie neo-con theocrat beliefs).

Throwback280s
11-06-2008, 12:44 PM
One positive thing that's been revealed about Palin....
Yesterday on Fox News, they were discussing inside scoop stories about Palin on the campaign trail. They said that she didn't get "American exceptionalism" doctrine...which is the heart of neo-conservative ideology.

angelatc
11-06-2008, 12:49 PM
Forget Palin. She's a non-issue at this point. 4 years ago the media was telling us that Rudy and Hillary were going to be our candidates,

I think the media did the same thing to Palin that they did to Ron Paul. Because neither of them speak in sound bites.

HOLLYWOOD
11-06-2008, 12:53 PM
FEEBLE MINDS.... think alike!

You know there's always a motive... I here RUSH LIMPBAUGH has plenty of VIAGRA left over!

angelatc
11-06-2008, 12:57 PM
FEEBLE MINDS.... think alike!

You know there's always a motive... I here RUSH LIMPBAUGH has plenty of VIAGRA leftover!

Heh. Sweet, sweet irony.

dannno
11-06-2008, 01:00 PM
Because neither of them speak in sound bites.

I'd love to hear her articulate her sound bite of Africa being a country :D

angelatc
11-06-2008, 01:02 PM
I'd love to hear her articulate her sound bite of Africa being a country :D

I see Ron Paul misspeak quite a bit. Biden does it on a daily basis. But Palin - she's just stupid.

The media ownz you. Congratulations.

You do realize that Faux News got the Palin story from a bitter McCain staffer, right? Now, how many credibility problems can you count in that sentence?

itshappening
11-06-2008, 01:07 PM
They know she is hopeless but could win a Republican primary if they're told she represents the "base" enough times

then she will get to the General Election and lose heavily to the 'one'

Don't fall for it.

WRellim
11-06-2008, 01:08 PM
Anyone else listening today? I think this is being used as a reverse psychology technique. He is playing this just like I thought, painting Palin as being maliciously accused without provocation or proof. Talking about how Palin represents the republican base and that they will ignore her and her potential to the base support at the republican parties peril (roughly paraphrased).

I was amused that so many on here dismissed me when I said she just might be the fact tptb are seeking to put on the republican party. Ignore her at the peril of this movement. they are setting up an underdog strategy. This is being used so they can actually throw McCain under the bus and he just might decide to go Indie like Lieberman or Democrat as most see him. McCain is at the end of a career and Palin is fairly youthful and power hungry.

We are also going to be marginalized continuously for being "moderates" instead of true conservatives. The war party/corporatists are being seen as the standard bearers for conservatism. Expect to see more vitriol spewed towards our movement akin to Nevada's filth blaming Dr.Paul for fracturing the republican party. (http://www.unlvrebelyell.com/article.php?ID=12736) Instead of welcoming the views of liberty and free will for all they will say that it is a corruptive influence on republican values (ie neo-con theocrat beliefs).

I think you are right in the fact that they are using this to get rid of McCain (as punishment).

And I think you are spot-on with your prediction that he will (soon) do a "Lieberman" -- and either switch himself to Independant (but caucusing with the Dems -- in exchange for a committee chair spot), and or full Democrat (which would be showing TRUE colors, and would be the best thing possible for us).

But I think you are wrong in expecting that Palin has anything like a future... they *may* indeed try to set her up as that, but McCain's team is just as likely to be successful in their "smear" of her, and besides, she's pretty clueless as far as national politicing goes.

She's probably going to pay a hefty price in Alaska -- if she is even allowed to finish her term as Governor (which I give maybe a 50/50 chance) then she will probably be soundly defeated while trying for re-election.

The only way for her to salvage anything is to try to slip herself into Ted Steven's Senate spot... and then she just becomes another of the clueless female Senators, with plenty of opportunities to screw up on a national stage.

Anti Federalist
11-06-2008, 01:11 PM
Good to see you back WR.

I said this before, but it probably got lost in the deluge during election night.

dannno
11-06-2008, 01:18 PM
I see Ron Paul misspeak quite a bit. Biden does it on a daily basis. But Palin - she's just stupid.

The media ownz you. Congratulations.


Ok, ok.. fine. MAYBE she isn't as stupid as they make her out to be, but she came out recently and railed against Obama for saying a while back that he was upset that our military was just going into villages in Afghanistan and harassing the people. I happen to agree with him, I've seen documentaries of our military doing just that. It's like you can't say stuff like that because it is "un-American". I just see that attitude as Bush/Neocon garbage.

Why can't you or TONES be the libertarian Super Woman?? Why does it have to be Palin? I haven't seen anything yet that has drawn me as a whole towards her.

moostraks
11-06-2008, 01:31 PM
Have any of you been listening to the unabated pride the neo-con's have for her? It is just as zombie like as Obama's and just as dangerous. She may not be the one, but I think this might be the way they are heading in order to draw out the most fervent in beliefs. She reminds me of Huck in a dress. I travel in homeschool circles that brings me into frequent conflict with this mentality and they scare the crap out of me.

TPTB use religious texts as a playbook to divide and delegitimize people. I think this is playing right in their hands with the poor pitiful Palin routine. Logic doesn't work when sheep herding, fear and force sure as heck do.

JohnJay
11-06-2008, 01:42 PM
Palin will lose her Governorship of Alaska well before 2012.

The damage she did - she did to herself as well as being a bad reflection on McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsvJBgQp3V4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg


Rush Limbaugh will not be able to help - and he loses credibility to back her.

So in 2012 the GOP field will again include out of work ex-Governors and ex-mayors
(Palin would be introduced at the 2012 GOP debates as both . . .
ex-mayor, ex-Governor Sarah Palin)

moostraks
11-06-2008, 01:45 PM
I think you are right in the fact that they are using this to get rid of McCain (as punishment).

And I think you are spot-on with your prediction that he will (soon) do a "Lieberman" -- and either switch himself to Independant (but caucusing with the Dems -- in exchange for a committee chair spot), and or full Democrat (which would be showing TRUE colors, and would be the best thing possible for us).

But I think you are wrong in expecting that Palin has anything like a future... they *may* indeed try to set her up as that, but McCain's team is just as likely to be successful in their "smear" of her, and besides, she's pretty clueless as far as national politicing goes.

She's probably going to pay a hefty price in Alaska -- if she is even allowed to finish her term as Governor (which I give maybe a 50/50 chance) then she will probably be soundly defeated while trying for re-election.

The only way for her to salvage anything is to try to slip herself into Ted Steven's Senate spot... and then she just becomes another of the clueless female Senators, with plenty of opportunities to screw up on a national stage.


I sure as heck hope you are right on this gal's future being limited to Senate status which is bad enough I suppose. However, she will probably just be replaced by an equally vile religious war supporter. I thought Huck was creepy but Palin's support was twice as frightening with its fervency. Seems like once they reach idol status like she has though they develop a bit of teflon that keeps them going for more rounds than Rocky.

Would be interesting if they use Senate experience to educate her and give her a bit of a makeover and run her like Hilary did. Not as a sucess story but as a bone for her supporters.

Spirit of '76
11-06-2008, 01:53 PM
Anyone who earnestly believes that Palin has some kind of future in the GOP should start lobbying her right now with the Liberty message (and be sure to mention how ignoring it cost McCain the election).

One thing is clear about Palin: Except for the fact that she evinces a vague sort of middle-American social conservatism, she's pretty much a blank slate.

When she thought working with McCain was the path to the White House, she parroted whatever her assigned neocon handlers told her to. If she can be brought to believe the path to success lies in promoting a more libertarian message, it's highly likely that she'll do so.

All of this is contingent, of course, on the chance that she doesn't just give up now and go home to be a full-time hockey mom.

klamath
11-06-2008, 02:05 PM
It is you guys that are falling for the Neocon spin. McCain is the neocon. It is the neocons of McCains camp trying to say it was her not McCain's neocon policies that lost the election. You are falling right into their hands. Palin is not a neocon she is from the Christian right. So unless you (which many of you do) think smoking a joint is the most important issue that outweights all other issues combined you are going to find you have more in common with the christian right than the lieberman branch the neocons want to replace the christian right faction with.

heavenlyboy34
11-06-2008, 02:19 PM
It is you guys that are falling for the Neocon spin. McCain is the neocon. It is the neocons of McCains camp trying to say it was her not McCain's neocon policies that lost the election. You are falling right into their hands. Palin is not a neocon she is from the Christian right. So unless you (which many of you do) think smoking a joint is the most important issue that outweights all other issues combined you are going to find you have more in common with the christian right than the lieberman branch the neocons want to replace the christian right faction with.

Yes, McCain is a neocon. Palin is/was a neocon in training. I would argue that you are in fact falling into their hands by accepting their system as legitimate.

You mentioned the "smoking a joint" issue. You're missing the entire point of our opposition to drug laws. It is an issue of freedom to put what we (libertarians and anarcho-capitalists) choose into our bodies. Plus, we oppose government regulation agencies like the FDA-Another issue of gov'ment controlling the free market and individual decisions about health.

brandon
11-06-2008, 02:23 PM
Anyone else listening today? I think this is being used as a reverse psychology technique. He is playing this just like I thought, painting Palin as being maliciously accused without provocation or proof. Talking about how Palin represents the republican base and that they will ignore her and her potential to the base support at the republican parties peril (roughly paraphrased).

I was amused that so many on here dismissed me when I said she just might be the fact tptb are seeking to put on the republican party. Ignore her at the peril of this movement. they are setting up an underdog strategy. This is being used so they can actually throw McCain under the bus and he just might decide to go Indie like Lieberman or Democrat as most see him. McCain is at the end of a career and Palin is fairly youthful and power hungry.

We are also going to be marginalized continuously for being "moderates" instead of true conservatives. The war party/corporatists are being seen as the standard bearers for conservatism. Expect to see more vitriol spewed towards our movement akin to Nevada's filth blaming Dr.Paul for fracturing the republican party. (http://www.unlvrebelyell.com/article.php?ID=12736) Instead of welcoming the views of liberty and free will for all they will say that it is a corruptive influence on republican values (ie neo-con theocrat beliefs).

Yea I actually listened to an hour or two of Rush today...I was going to post about it too but you beat me to it.

Rush is absolutely repudiating McCain. He is calling him a weak blue blood moderate republican. He was talking about how he was essentially a democrat.

Then he went on talking about how many in the party are not real conservatives. He was talking about how the party needs to "get back to its roots" and stop voting with democrats. I was thinking "yea yea yea Rush is finally getting it!"

Then of course he starts talking about Palin as the solution....

Sigh...

How can these people not get it? Especially someone like Rush who was the standard bearer for conservatism before the neocons fully infiltrated. Doesn't he remember when he and the other republicans used to preach non-interventionism and eliminating the IRS and dept of ed? How can he just throw all of that into the memory hole? I really dont get it.

WRellim
11-06-2008, 02:34 PM
It is you guys that are falling for the Neocon spin. McCain is the neocon. It is the neocons of McCains camp trying to say it was her not McCain's neocon policies that lost the election. You are falling right into their hands. Palin is not a neocon she is from the Christian right. So unless you (which many of you do) think smoking a joint is the most important issue that outweights all other issues combined you are going to find you have more in common with the christian right than the lieberman branch the neocons want to replace the christian right faction with.

Yes, McCain is a neocon.

Palin, however, is pretty much just a brainless bimbo... she's George W. Bush with a bit more lipstick and in a dress (ok, ok... actually in a Neiman-Marcus pant-suit).

She would end up being a puppet that was manipulated and controlled by others in pretty much the same way that GWB has always been the puppet of Dick Cheney & the neocon cabal.

WRellim
11-06-2008, 02:37 PM
Yea I actually listened to an hour or two of Rush today...I was going to post about it too but you beat me to it.

Rush is absolutely repudiating McCain. He is calling him a weak blue blood moderate republican. He was talking about how he was essentially a democrat.

Then he went on talking about how many in the party are not real conservatives. He was talking about how the party needs to "get back to its roots" and stop voting with democrats. I was thinking "yea yea yea Rush is finally getting it!"

Then of course he starts talking about Palin as the solution....

Sigh...

How can these people not get it? Especially someone like Rush who was the standard bearer for conservatism before the neocons fully infiltrated. Doesn't he remember when he and the other republicans used to preach non-interventionism and eliminating the IRS and dept of ed? How can he just throw all of that into the memory hole? I really dont get it.

Rush Limbaugh's MAIN job is (and always has been) to promote the brand that is Rush Limbaugh -- he's a right-wing "shock jock" -- a hate-filled version of Howard Stern with a "christianized" candy coating... and as such, his main task is to flail about like a loose cannon doing whatever is necessary to create a spectacle and increase his viewership ratings.

angelatc
11-06-2008, 02:52 PM
Ok, ok.. fine. MAYBE she isn't as stupid as they make her out to be, but she came out recently and railed against Obama for saying a while back that he was upset that our military was just going into villages in Afghanistan and harassing the people. I happen to agree with him, I've seen documentaries of our military doing just that. It's like you can't say stuff like that because it is "un-American". I just see that attitude as Bush/Neocon garbage.

Why can't you or TONES be the libertarian Super Woman?? Why does it have to be Palin? I haven't seen anything yet that has drawn me as a whole towards her.

Maybe it's because I am a republican, not a libertarian. Certainly libertarian leaning, but a republican.

Yes, McCain filled her up with neocon garbage. American Conservative wrote a good "open letter" about that. http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/oct/06/00008/

Here's the deal - What if she spends 4 years studying what went wrong, and decides we revolutionaries are right? Even worse, what if she decides we're mostly right?

The way it looks, most of us will toss her aside because she isn't a "natural born" libertarian-leaning Republican.

I am going to wait for the hubbub to die down then send her a copy of the Manifesto.

She may be as dumb as a box of rocks but if she votes the way I think, I'm in.

angelatc
11-06-2008, 02:53 PM
Rush Limbaugh's MAIN job is (and always has been) to promote the brand that is Rush Limbaugh -- he's a right-wing "shock jock" -- a hate-filled version of Howard Stern with a "christianized" candy coating... and as such, his main task is to flail about like a loose cannon doing whatever is necessary to create a spectacle and increase his viewership ratings.

You just know the Obama win will be the best thing that's happened to his show in a long time. He made a fortune bashing the Clinton regime.

angelatc
11-06-2008, 02:54 PM
It is you guys that are falling for the Neocon spin. McCain is the neocon. It is the neocons of McCains camp trying to say it was her not McCain's neocon policies that lost the election. You are falling right into their hands. Palin is not a neocon she is from the Christian right. So unless you (which many of you do) think smoking a joint is the most important issue that outweighs all other issues combined you are going to find you have more in common with the christian right than the lieberman branch the neocons want to replace the christian right faction with.

Thank you.

angelatc
11-06-2008, 02:56 PM
One thing is clear about Palin: Except for the fact that she evinces a vague sort of middle-American social conservatism, she's pretty much a blank slate.



And she excites the base. Maybe not our base, but we saw how many people ended up caving and transitioning to a major party this time.

If she turned 60% Libertarian, the Libertarian party might as well not run.

klamath
11-06-2008, 03:06 PM
Yes, McCain is a neocon.

Palin, however, is pretty much just a brainless bimbo... she's George W. Bush with a bit more lipstick and in a dress (ok, ok... actually in a Neiman-Marcus pant-suit).

She would end up being a puppet that was manipulated and controlled by others in pretty much the same way that GWB has always been the puppet of Dick Cheney & the neocon cabal.

I agree that she should not be the standard bearer and was in way over her head but I also would like to see Sarah Paln when she isnt under the complete withering fire of a Obama crazed media. The only time McCain had a ghost of a chance was after she was picked. Without a doubt the strategy in the Obama camp and the friendly media was "take Palin down and you take McCain down."

klamath
11-06-2008, 03:11 PM
Yes, McCain is a neocon. Palin is/was a neocon in training. I would argue that you are in fact falling into their hands by accepting their system as legitimate.

You mentioned the "smoking a joint" issue. You're missing the entire point of our opposition to drug laws. It is an issue of freedom to put what we (libertarians and anarcho-capitalists) choose into our bodies. Plus, we oppose government regulation agencies like the FDA-Another issue of gov'ment controlling the free market and individual decisions about health.

No I am not missing that at all. I am against the drug laws but I have found that many on here hold that issue above all others combined.

heavenlyboy34
11-06-2008, 03:20 PM
No I am not missing that at all. I am against the drug laws but I have found that many on here hold that issue above all others combined.

Good. We agree, then. :D See you on the forums later.

angelatc
11-06-2008, 03:20 PM
No I am not missing that at all. I am against the drug laws but I have found that many on here hold that issue above all others combined.

I too am against the current drug laws, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. We are never going to get everything we want in a single candidate.

klamath
11-06-2008, 03:33 PM
I too am against the current drug laws, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. We are never going to get everything we want in a single candidate.

Yeaw the only time we are going to agree totally with someone is with ourselves and some of us don't agree with that person all the time:D:D

Zera
11-06-2008, 04:02 PM
Fuck Palin. I will dedicate the rest of my life to make her look like the idiot she is in any way possible.

moostraks
11-06-2008, 04:30 PM
It is you guys that are falling for the Neocon spin. McCain is the neocon. It is the neocons of McCains camp trying to say it was her not McCain's neocon policies that lost the election. You are falling right into their hands. Palin is not a neocon she is from the Christian right. So unless you (which many of you do) think smoking a joint is the most important issue that outweights all other issues combined you are going to find you have more in common with the christian right than the lieberman branch the neocons want to replace the christian right faction with.

Then that would imply she used her religion to endorse policies she wants nothing to do with for mere political gain. Not to mention it would be overlooking some major political failings of her own as govenor she still would have to reconcile in order to be a true conservative.

The gal embodies everything wrong with the christian war party who uses their view of religion to strip people of liberties and enforce their view of freedom through force, fear, and violence. These were not new beliefs for her if you watch some of the youtubes.

We won't even tackle the subject of nepotism which would just be a dandy thing to utilize at the federal level quite out in the open like she has since she became govenor. Never you mind if you have no experience, you are family and employment you shall have with a mighty fine pay too. :rolleyes:

McCain is a Liberal. That is why it was so amusing to watch the contortions of the republican party as they tried to convince folks that he was one of them. Palin was brought in to harness the neo-con base which McCain was not resonating with because he was not on board with their anti-immigration views and was a bit too eco-friendly. Neither of these are talking points for neo-cons. He also doesn't spin the religious angle too well, while preacher Sarah was wonder at it complete with charismatic preaching skills.

moostraks
11-06-2008, 04:37 PM
Yea I actually listened to an hour or two of Rush today...I was going to post about it too but you beat me to it.

Rush is absolutely repudiating McCain. He is calling him a weak blue blood moderate republican. He was talking about how he was essentially a democrat.

Then he went on talking about how many in the party are not real conservatives. He was talking about how the party needs to "get back to its roots" and stop voting with democrats. I was thinking "yea yea yea Rush is finally getting it!"

Then of course he starts talking about Palin as the solution....

Sigh...

How can these people not get it? Especially someone like Rush who was the standard bearer for conservatism before the neocons fully infiltrated. Doesn't he remember when he and the other republicans used to preach non-interventionism and eliminating the IRS and dept of ed? How can he just throw all of that into the memory hole? I really dont get it.

Sadly I think we are going to be marginalized even more (as if we aren't being shoved aside enough) by association with McCain and his liberal tendancies because we embraced such a wide group of personnal philosophies. Tptb thrive on making things black and white to simplify for the sound byte masses. Ron Paul went over the heads of most people because he can't be understood in small clips. People are easier to control when they don't think too deeply on a subject.

Palin makes my skin crawl. It is Huck in drag and if you look at my post history you will see I detested him thoroughly!!!